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Who Brought The Slaves To America?

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"An authentic, contemporary report, based on authority, indicates that of 128 Slave ships, for instance, unloaded in Charleston, within one year, their 'Cargo,' 120 of these were undersigned by Jews from Newport and Charleston by their own name."

 

"With the yearly capture and transport of one million Black slaves it is not difficult to figure that from 1661 to 1774 (one hundred thirteen years) approximately one hundred ten million slaves had been removed from their native land. About ten percent, or ELEVEN MILLION, Black slaves reached the Colonies alive."

 

"During this time there were a number of plantation owners established in the West Indies and two Jews, Eyrger and Sayer, with strong Rothschild connections in Spain, formed an agency called ASIENTO, which later operated in Holland and England. It was through these connections that Jews in Holland and England exerted influence and both of these connections cooperated in helping the Jews provide Black Slaves for the Colonists."

 

http://www.universalway.org/Foreign/whobroughtslaves.html

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What exactly is the point of posting this? To point out how evil Jews are?

 

How sad.

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What exactly is the point of posting this? To point out how evil Jews are?

 

How sad.

How pity - as usual you never get the message - but then that's what you're here for. :D

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As we do not have a reference for that report we don't know that it is actually authentic or contemporary. The very fact that there is no reference is pretty good evidence that it is neither. The fact that there are other details that fit with no scholarly investigation suggests that nothing on that site can be believed without further evidence.

While we are on the topic of slavery, who took the slaves to Arabia? Who marched slaves across the Sahara? Who sold the slaves for america?

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You mean to say that sixtenn references are not good enough for you :D

 

Would a Zionist source help?

 

"In the tenth century," notes Jewish (and Zionist) author Julius Brutzkus, "the Jews possessed salt mines near Nuremberg. They also traded in arms, and exploited the treasuries of the churches. But their great specialty ... was their trade in slaves." [LEON, p. 124] "The first Jews that Poles encountered," states the Encyclopedia Judaica, "must certainly have been traders, probably slave traders, of the type called in the 12th-century Jewish sources holekhei rusyah (travelers to Russia). [EN JUD, v. 13, p. 710] "In the tenth century," notes israel Abrahams, "the Spanish Jews often owed their wealth to their trade in slaves." [ABRAHAMS, p. 98]

 

Jews, says Lewis Browne, "traveled everywhere from England to India, from Bohemia to Egypt. Their commonest merchandise in those days, beginning with the eighth century, was slaves. On every high road and on every great river and sea, these Jewish traders were to be found with their gangs of shackled prisoners in convoy." Such disturbing facts that impugn the Jewish myths of perpetual victimhood must of course be apologized away. "Slave trading," says Browne, a Jewish scholar, "seems irredeemably vile and hateful to us today, but we must remember here again the standards have changed ...And in light of the customs of those times, the slave-traffickers were actually doing almost a moral act. They alone were keeping the conquering armies from slaughtering every one of their defeated foes after each battle." [WILLIAMS, J., p. 230]

 

This may show you who sold White slaves to the Ottomans!

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This may show you who sold White slaves to the Ottomans!

 

Yes, and who bought them?

 

Again I ask, what is your point?

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Yes, and who bought them?

 

Again I ask, what is your point?

You mean - you did not see the word JEW in my earlier reply? :D

 

Well here is more links for your 'self-denial'

 

Slave Trade:

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You mean - you did not see the word JEW in my earlier reply?

 

No, I saw it quite clearly. That is why I thought your post to be so pathetic.

 

You start a thread in order to cast aspersions on Jews.

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Shaukat, I think you've made a good point. It just strikes me why do people wanna ignore facts, it's history isn't?

 

Any Ways, I have read about how Jews took slave trading as a profession at the time. I believe, but not sure, I've read about in a book called Lies my teacher told me by James W. Loewen, that was a great book. he talked about majore lies that're being teached in the american schools until today, like "disovering" America, native Americans and slavery...to name a few.

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What exactly is the point of posting this? To point out how evil Jews are?

 

How sad.

 

 

:D :D just listen to yourself, why you're trying to make all of us the bad guys here?

I personally Love Amy Goodman (a Jew that stands for the right thing under any circumistances) I also, Like John Stewart :D . but to ANSWER your question, YES HE'S TRYING TO SHOW ALL OF US HOW EVIL SLAVE TRADERS ARE, WHETHER THEY'RE JEWS, MUSLIMS, OR CHRISTIANS. GET IT!

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Are you saying that Jews should not be criticized or exposed for their evil-doings - because they are the so-called 'Chosen People'?

 

Majority of European Jews (Khazars) are wel-know for pornography, drugs, murders, protitution and sex-slavery - in addition to their barbaric treatment of native Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Even some religious Jews can confirm that:

 

www.jewsagainstzionism(contact admin if its a beneficial link)

 

(www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.nkusa(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/index.cfm"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.nkusa(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/index.cfm[/url]

 

Some truth about yourself could be goodh for U :D

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You start a thread in order to cast aspersions on Jews.

 

Why is a little history lesson, so offensive for you?

 

Non-Muslims on this forum are always starting threads to attack Muslims, and you gladly join them. If you disagree with the above article, post counter-evidence instead of attacking the thread starter.

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If the point is that slave trading is bad then there is no argument. The point of this was to single out the Jewish slave traders.

 

Muslims have quite a sordid history of slavery also (not limited to just Africa either) but to bring it up would accomplish nothing. There is plenty of literature on it. This post was nothing more than bait for jew hating.

 

In fact, when I asked the point the reply was "You mean - you did not see the word JEW in my earlier reply?". The original poster doesn't care about slavery, he cares about the fact he can use it to cast aspersions on Jews, and I find it pathetic.

 

Majority of European Jews (Khazars) are wel-know for pornography, drugs, murders, protitution and sex-slavery - in addition to their barbaric treatment of native Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Even some religious Jews can confirm that:

 

Now you say the majority of Jew are involved in pornography, drugs, murders, etc.

 

Can those who are supporting him not see his bigotry? This forum claims to be against discrimination based on religion, yet that is exactly what this thread is about. This post should have been titled "another why I think you should hate Jews".

 

YES HE'S TRYING TO SHOW ALL OF US HOW EVIL SLAVE TRADERS ARE, WHETHER THEY'RE JEWS, MUSLIMS, OR CHRISTIANS. GET IT!

 

No, you are the one that is not getting it. Read what he has to say again and tell me, does he talk about the evil slave traders, or just the evil Jewish slave traders?

Edited by Livius

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Muslims have quite a sordid history of slavery also (not limited to just Africa either) but to bring it up would accomplish nothing. There is plenty of literature on it. This post was nothing more than bait for jew hating.

 

Peace Livius!

 

I disagree with your above assertion. What is the source of literature that you are relying on?

 

Islam encouraged people to free their slaves at a time when slavery was rampant. If you refer to the statements against slavery in the Qur'an and Sunnah, you will realise what Islam stands for as regards slavery. Compare that to the Romans of the time and you will see the wide contrast.

 

If individuals did it, as may be the case in point in the literature, it is not Muslims, it is those individuals. You cannot generalise. As an example, there are people who claim to be Muslims, but reject the prohibition on alcohol. You cannot make a statement that Muslims drink, or can you?

 

Peace out

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Peace to everyone

 

I agree with Livius. If the purpose is to meditate on the evil of slavery, I hope Shaukat will also make a similar post on the history of Christian slave trade and on the history of Muslim slave trade. That would be fair, right?

 

And perhaps also one mentioning cultures, empires or religions who have NOT traded with slaves.

 

Cheers

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If you are finish with your usual whinning - then listen to this French Christian scholar - Annemarie Schimmel, in "Islam: An Introduction":

 

O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in piety. God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. - Holy Qur'an 49:13

 

"Slavery was not abolished by the Koran, but believers are constantly admonished to treat their slaves well. In case of illness a slave has to be looked after and well cared for. To manumit [free] a slave is higly meritorious; the slave can ransom himself by paying some of the money he has earned while conducting his own business. Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam. The entire history of Islam proves that slaves could occupy any office, and many former military slaves, usually recruited from among the Central Asian Turks, became military leaders and often even rulers as in eastern Iran, India (the Slave Dynasty of Delhi), and medieval Egypt (the Mamluks). Eunuchs too served in important capacities, not only as the guardians of the women's quarters, but also in high administrative and military positions. -- p. 67 "

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Peace Aburafay,

 

The Bible says to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" yet to deny that Christians took slaves would be preposterous. No matter what the Quran may say about slavery it was prominent in Muslim culture and millions (yes millions) of Africans were taken as slaves.

 

As an example, there are people who claim to be Muslims, but reject the prohibition on alcohol.

 

In fact, it would be hard to say that Islam is against slavery when it specifically tells you how to treat them, and the prophet was a slaveholder himself. While freeing a slave was considered a good thing, it was by no means at all required. Nowhere does Islam forbid slavery, so the analogy does not fit.

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Peace all,

 

Google up "africanhistory.about(contact admin if its a beneficial link)" and you will find several comprehensive articles concerning Muslim participation in the slave trade. There comes a point when something is so ingrained into a culture that you can no longer make the distinction between good people and bad people. It appears that millions of slaves were brought into Islamic countries over a span of 1200 years. Many of the slaves were castrated, although it was done before entering Islamic territory to avoid the appearance of violating Islamic law. The "good Muslims" did nothing to hinder it. The slaves pervaded every tier of society. They ended up as urban servants, agricultural workers, soldiers, and there were unfortunates who were worked to death in salt mines. The whole society made use of the slave trade.

 

One could say that "good American Christians" could not own slaves, and could point to the fact that Christians spearheaded the efforts in America to end slavery. The sad truth is that American Christianity is forever stained by the South's use of the Bible to justify the abysmal practice of slavery. The whole southern economy was founded on slave labor. So the "good Christians" by doing nothing, were still reaping the benefits (and curses) of the slave trade. My reading of the facts is that Islam is similarly stained by the behavior of it's adherents in this matter. Slavery died only very recently in Islamic countries. It was legal in the Arabian Penninsula, the heart of Islam, until 1962. It was international pressure, largely from the UN, and not reform from within Islam that caused slavery to end.

 

Before the Gawaher server crashed a year or two ago there had been a lengthy thread on the subject of slavery in Islam. The discussion, made up almost entirely of Muslims, was divided on the subject. About half pointed to the fact that Muhammad placed great value on freeing slaves, and felt that the true path of Islam was to recognize the equality of all men and abolish slavery for good. The other half asserted that Muhammad owned slaves and that the Quran permitted them, therefore slavery could be continued if it was done Islamically. I remember some felt that the Kalifa had to be established first. Some mentioned that in an offensive Jihad under the Kalifa, the families of dead enemy soldiers could be taken as slaves "to care for them." Some even brought up that fact that women thus enslaved could be used as concubines by the soldiers who enslaved them. That there could even *be* a conversation on the topic was eye-opening for me.

 

Jews, Christians and Muslims ALL played their part in the slave trade. Of those three religions, only Islam has left the door cracked open to potentially renew the practice. I am not saying all Muslims feel this way. But since the Quran is held to be perfect and unalterable in Islam, and the practice of slavery is acknowledged and codified within, it remains a possibility, however unlikely, that "good Muslims" with Quranic justification, could renew the practice of taking slaves.

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:D

 

I think there's a major difference between the slave trade of the west & the slave Muslims were involved in.

 

Muslims didn't base slavery on race... they had arabs, african & persian slaves. They had both muslims & non-muslims as slaves.

 

Where as Europeans & Americans slaved people based on race & thought they were superior and that the blacks were inferior. Why didn't America have white slaves?

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:D

 

I think there's a major difference between the slave trade of the west & the slave Muslims were involved in.

 

Muslims didn't base slavery on race... they had arabs, african & persian slaves. They had both muslims & non-muslims as slaves.

 

Where as Europeans & Americans slaved people based on race & thought they were superior and that the blacks were inferior. Why didn't America have white slaves?

 

I hardly see how slavery that isn't based on colour is somehow more acceptable.

 

Furthermore, as an historian, I feel obliged to inform you that the Arab slave trade (which incidentally both pre-dated - it began in roughly the 7th Century AD - and superceded the European one was on the whole very much aimed at blacks.

 

No-one can deny that the European slave trade was abhorrent, but then after 1833 when slavery was abolished throughout the British Empire with the rest of Europe soon following suit, neither too can anyone deny that it was Muslims who insisted on continuing the African slave trade and were constantly held to account as a result.

 

When it comes to Slavery, no-one is free from blame, not even Africans; many of whom willingly participated in the enslavement of their countrymen for profit.

 

Besides, I hardly see how such a divisive and provocative thread is of any use in furthering better Muslim-Western understanding.

 

As you like all to say, lets have a bit more,

 

Peace.

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I think there's a major difference between the slave trade of the west & the slave Muslims were involved in.

 

Muslims didn't base slavery on race... they had arabs, african & persian slaves. They had both muslims & non-muslims as slaves.

 

Where as Europeans & Americans slaved people based on race & thought they were superior and that the blacks were inferior. Why didn't America have white slaves?

 

Yes, but no Muslim slaves, so religious persecution is not as bad as racial persecution in your eyes? How about the fact that it was common for male African slaves to be neutered by Muslims? Does that make them better or worse?

 

The simple fact is that many cultures, American and Muslim, have a sordid history of slavery and abuse of Africans (and Persians, etc. as you mention). The finger pointing is useless, but let us not marginalize or deny that history either.

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Peace to everyone again

 

I agree with Livius again, plus with "me", plus with "British Christian".

 

Livius said

 

The simple fact is that many cultures, American and Muslim, have a sordid history of slavery and abuse of Africans (and Persians, etc. as you mention).

 

I think that we perhaps had better end this fingerpointing topic being optimistic and thinking that the good side of the story, (and of our common history), is that many cultures also have a non sordid history of abolition of slavery.

 

It is, in my perhaps not so humble opinion, simply the unstoppable social evolution, perhaps consequence of technical, scientific and technological evolution, perhaps by-product or consequence of Darwin's evolution, perhaps its cause, perhaps both, perhaps none, perhaps I don't know, or perhaps you already knew this joke.

 

Cheers. :D

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Yes, but no Muslim slaves, so religious persecution is not as bad as racial persecution in your eyes?

 

muslims had muslims slaves too.

 

How about the fact that it was common for male African slaves to be neutered by Muslims? Does that make them better or worse?

 

I don't know about this fact, will read up on it and get back to you.

 

 

The simple fact is that many cultures, American and Muslim, have a sordid history of slavery and abuse of Africans (and Persians, etc. as you mention). The finger pointing is useless, but let us not marginalize or deny that history either.

 

true

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It would be informative to hear more about the Quran and slavery.

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There is an on-line interview with Ronald Segal, the author of "Islam's Black Slaves" at Salon.com. (www.salon(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/books/int/2001/04/05/segal/index.html) I haven't read the book, but he seems very objective, and rather articulate about the differences between slavery in Islam and The American experience. One of the his quotes that struck me was that in Islam, the slave did not lose their humanity, as they did in the American South. While the Quran recommends a benevolent attitude towards slaves, it doesn't require it. Those who were so inclined were able to get around the restrictions rather easily. The interview was very informative, and made me want to read his book.

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