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We had/have atleast one sister there, I forgot what her username was. Anyone else from/lving there?

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Assalamu alaikum

 

i am actualy am from france,

Here we know that there is a deference between pro arab people,been muslims, or terrorists who have weapons of mass destruction and invade oil rich countries.

 

The positive thing about most of france's muslim comunity is that its a strong comunity in the sense of growing loving families, muslims can carry on and take care of there own problems the Islamic way., i say we do not have to use the same laws the romans did again but we do have counseling openly about the problems and address them. there are allot of first generation arabs who have problems migrating in france but that is not a Islamic thing.

 

What france is challening as a society against religions in regards to this whole headscraf thing is very weak in reality...

---> France's most threatened cultural identities which they want to protect as society are;

•sexual revoltion, wine, cheese, tourism, nuclear, making the comunist party happy while keeping a mainstream glamerous exagerated TV personality image going on, the exploitation of ethnic cultures and the back room executive jewish pro lawyers with pencil jobs running all the entertainment companies and bankings and ofcourse a broken healthcare system thanks to the toll of sick from smoking and the prozac users.

i mean france is all image when it comes to acting up so many jews left france claiming that there police did nothing when arabic kids attacked there properties, i agree, they never do anything when it comes to open violances.

 

You have a socialist country run as if mick jagger and "THE rolling stones" where in charge in there haroin wino days.

a HUGE JOKE!

But it is not much deferent in canada, sweden or other socialist countries who depend on healthcare are threatened by economically motevated peoples who will go as far as selling drugs, or even poisening people with ciggaretse to the point where the system can not afford to cover everyone in long lines...

 

actually, The first thing i thought when i heard that headscrafs will be banned is that they are hoping Muslims leave france and then they tell Goerge Volskpeople Bush that they did something about terrorism there own way with out loosing lives.

 

 

there is also a bit of propaganda, like there claims to anti semetics is also disqualifiyng muslims as a semetic peoples which places us in a lie to have any relation to Abraham (PBUH)

 

 

but the french goverments employees are not like the rest of the french citizens, the citizens are looked down as second class by these employees and the goverment as a whole, and in the streets they take things as face value, you can see with your own eyes that most people in a general sense run away from confrontaion and agree with anything anyone who they feel threatend by say until they see there packs again becuase peolice DO NOT protect the public.

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:D A lot of French Muslims are from North Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia). Don't call them all Arabs, because a lot of North Africans can be of Berber origin, Arab, or other ethnic origins. yeah it sounds silly that ppl shouldnt care about all that, really its Muslim first. I find the Muslims in France (the guys) to be so 'macho'...i think its due to the situation over there. :D what's wrong with being gentle?

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Macho....that's funny...lol

 

Well, the racism against the Muslims, do the French people hate the relgion or the culture of the North Africans? Does the hatred extend to the rest of the other ethnic Muslims?

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Macho....that's funny...lol

 

Well, the racism against the Muslims, do the French people hate the relgion or the culture of the North Africans? Does the hatred extend to the rest of the other ethnic Muslims?

 

 

:D The ones who hate Muslims , they fear them, they fear the fact that they are very practising. French culture is mostly pleasing one's desires. DO they like the culture? hhmm..they like to travel to North Africa, ok its a lot like how some Americans treat the Mexicans in the USA. Some Americans absolutetly hate anything MExicans do in the USA, but they travel there often! :D i hope that explains it a bit.

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Is it true during Ramadan that Masjids are so packed that there are Muslims outside praying on the streets? Is there tension between the different Muslims (North African, Turk etc)? Are you the 'getto' to the French?

Sorry for all these questions but i have this 'thing' for French Muslims. I think the girls are very pretty and look very innocent :D

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Is it true during Ramadan that Masjids are so packed that there are Muslims outside praying on the streets? Is there tension between the different Muslims (North African, Turk etc)? Are you the 'getto' to the French?

Sorry for all these questions but i have this 'thing' for French Muslims. I think the girls are very pretty and look very innocent :D

Salam

I am like you want to know everything about Islam everywhere.

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I live in France to....

The banne on hijab is really killing me,

but I know that it is a test from Allah to whom he loves. :D

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Sis u should come study in the UK!! By the way.....does the ban extend to university??

Wa'alaikumu salam

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I live in France to....

The banne on hijab is really killing me,

but I know that it is a test from Allah to whom he loves. :P

 

:D

 

since you know english why not study in the UK? or you can always go to Belgium.

 

:D

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Salam,

gee..it has been a long time since i opened this forum.

Sort of smiling when reading u'r message ^_^

I'm 15 years old.Don't think that my parents would allow me to study in UK at this age ALONE :D

After the BAC, i decided to continue my study somewhere else.

But anyway, i 'm not really sure if the hijab is ban in unversities as well.

May Allah bless u

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Muslim children forced to eat non-halal meat in school

By Fazeelat Saleem

 

The recent Islamophobic atmosphere of France has now extended to issues beyond the school hijab ban. First, girls are forced to take off the hijab in schools, then Muslim immigrants are attacked with petrol bombs in Corsica (see story p 16), and now Muslim nursery/primary schoolchildren are being told that in order to eat in the school canteen, they must take non-halal meat as part of their meal.

Muslim parents of children in a school in the area of Villefranche-sur-Saone, Rhone, have received letters from the head of the school, threatening that their children would no longer be accepted in the canteen if they refused to taste all that is available.

Although these rules are dependent upon the wishes of each head teacher, there are plans to include this condition into official school rules next year. The Mayor of Rhone, Jean Jacques Pignard, from the Democratic Party (UDF), has promised that the children who refuse to accept the new rules can continue to eat in the canteen until the end of the school year, without eating meat. However, in the next school year, all students will have to sign the rules of the canteen, which states that those eating in the canteen must taste or take all of that which is available.

For Abel Gago, a representative of the Socialist Party in Lyon and responsible for culture and education, the idea is not to force the children to eat but to systematically place all the food available on the plate, so that they are encouraged to eat and learn about food. However, with the non-halal food on the plate, the rest is contaminated and Muslim schoolchildren are consequently refusing to eat. For Farida Saadi, a mother of two children at the school aged between 3 and 6 years, the new rule does not make sense.

“I completed all my education without eating meat and without any health problems. We don’t understand why suddenly the rules have changed. Why does the Mayor want to interfere in the education that we would like to give our children?�, she asked. Kamel, whose children also attend the school, does not believe the argument. “If they eat the starter, vegetables and dessert, then what is the problem?�

Whilst French officials have called requests for the availability of halal meat in schools as ‘extravagant’ and ‘costly’, many Muslim parents simply want the freedom for themselves and their children to choose what they would like and not like to eat. In Lyon, a peaceful protest was held for parents to voice their discontent over the new rule. “We have simply asked that meat is not served to our children,� clarifies one parent.

A representative of the Grand Masjid in Paris does not see why halal meat cannot be provided. “Halal meat is nothing new. The French respected the religious values of the Muslim soldiers, so they should do the same now. It is our right. It is necessary for people to understand our culture. Are vegetarians being forced to eat meat? No.�

Just a few weeks earlier, on December 21, five women wearing the headscarf were prohibited from accessing the room of honour in the Town Hall of Seine-Saint-Denis in Bobigny, where they were due to attend a ceremony to officially recognising their French nationality. Accompanying his mother for the ceremony was Amel Cheikhi, a 23-year-old computer programmer.

“When my mother’s name was called, we came forward but an employee asked my mother to take off the hijab if she wanted to enter. I asked why, and explained that we are not at school and that the laicité law (secularism law) does not apply here.� They were told that it was essential to respect the principle of neutrality in the ceremony. As a result, both mother and son were obliged to enter accompanied by police, “like pariahs�, sighs Mrs. Cheikhi. “My mother HAS lived in France since 1971, and her husband, who died in France, spent 30 years working in this country. We are in France, there are laws and I respect them. But here, no-one can tell me where it is written that my mother couldn’t enter that ceremony.�

The French Ministry for Education refused to discuss the above issues with The Muslim News.

In Belgium, on November 22, Rik Remmery, a 51-year-old owner of a food processing business called PME based in Ledegem, received a threatening letter from the xenophobic Flemish group Nieuw Vrij Vlaanderen, after allowing one of his fifty staff to wear the hijab at work.

After a second letter was posted to Remmery, Naima Amzil, a 31 year-old Belgian Moroccan worker in the factory, decided to remove her hijab, out of fear that something may happen to her boss, his wife, and their two children. However, a few days before Xmas, in a fourth letter, the racist group, two representatives of who have been elected to the local council, placed a reward of 250,000 euros for the death of Remmery. He was called a ‘bad Flamand’ for ‘collaborating with the Muslims’. At this point, Naima offered her resignation, which was refused by Remmery.

“What do these extremists want? That we should all have blue eyes and blond hair?� Remmery asked.

He and his family are currently under police protection.

 

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ssalam alaykoum wr wb

 

i'm from france too.

 

Is it true during Ramadan that Masjids are so packed that there are Muslims outside praying on the streets? Is there tension between the different Muslims (North African, Turk etc)? Are you the 'getto' to the French?

Sorry for all these questions but i have this 'thing' for French Muslims. I think the girls are very pretty and look very innocent

 

i don't know if there are muslims praying on the street during RAMADAN. i think it depends on the masjid, the city etc...

in Lyon , in the masjid where i go on friday they have to put on the floor some "carpet" outside the room of prayer. i remember in Nice for AID al fitr, the masjid was so packed that muslim men pray in the street ! soubhanAllah ! because the masjid is very little ... but in this suburb there are a lot of muslim !!! (tunisian, morrocan, etc...)

 

you asked is there tension between different community of muslim... well.... i don't reaaly know. i just know that turk have their own masjid that in my opinion is really silly! we are one Ummah : MUSLIMS !! and there is no difference if u are black , white, asian, turk, morrocan etc... some comorian have their own masjid too. i saw that! but i don't think there are tensions... i hope so !

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I just read "you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.arabstudent(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/aso/Discussions/webwizforums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3827&PN=1"]the most fascinating article[/url] on Islam in France. It seems Dominique de Villepan wants a greater say in selecting Muslim clerics.

In American minds, Dominique de Villepin once embodied French pacifist defiance and soft-on-terrorism Old Europe. As foreign minister, he was the most passionate opponent at the United Nations of the use of force in Iraq. As foreign minister, he was the most passionate opponent at the United Nations of the use of force in Iraq. So it may surprise many to find that, as France's interior minister, Mr de Villepin  is now waging a hardline battle ...in France, with zero tolerance of radical Islam.

 

There are two elements to Mr de Villepin's approach. The first is a rigid, even repressive, intolerance of incitement to violence....To help his campaign, Mr de Villepin has an intelligence network, with Arabic expertise and a legal arsenal, that long predates September 11th 2001. France has two domestic intelligence agencies: the Renseignements Généraux, an intelligence-gathering service, and the Direction de la Surveillance du Territoire, a counter-intelligence agency. Agents keep a close eye on prayer places in France, which number 1,685, according to the RG. Of these, about 50 are considered “radical�.

 

The second part of Mr de Villepin's struggle is one that Libération, a left-leaning newspaper, calls “drowning the beards�....His predecessor as interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, argued that radical Islam was best tamed by co-option. But Mr de Villepin wants to dilute this by promoting moderates....To this end, he wants France to train imams. Of the country's 1,200 or so Muslim clerics, he says, three-quarters are not French, and a third do not even speak French. From next September he plans to offer courses to imams in theology and “secularism�: law, civics and French institutions, as well as the French language.

 

One must acknowledge that clerics in Arab countries may also be subservient to governments that are not outstanding examples of piety. Does the Al Azhar Council condemn Mubarak, or do the clerics in Arabia call on Al Saud to go? Nevertheless, this plan of de Villepin's deserves discussion.

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Muslim children forced to eat non-halal meat in school

By Fazeelat Saleem

 

The recent Islamophobic atmosphere of France has now extended to issues beyond the school hijab ban. First, girls are forced to take off the hijab in schools, then Muslim immigrants are attacked with petrol bombs in Corsica (see story p 16), and now Muslim nursery/primary schoolchildren are being told that in order to eat in the school canteen, they must take non-halal meat as part of their meal.

Muslim parents of children in a school in the area of Villefranche-sur-Saone, Rhone, have received letters from the head of the school, threatening that their children would no longer be accepted in the canteen if they refused to taste all that is available.

Although these rules are dependent upon the wishes of each head teacher, there are plans to include this condition into official school rules next year. The Mayor of Rhone, Jean Jacques Pignard, from the Democratic Party (UDF), has promised that the children who refuse to accept the new rules can continue to eat in the canteen until the end of the school year, without eating meat. However, in the next school year, all students will have to sign the rules of the canteen, which states that those eating in the canteen must taste or take all of that which is available.

For Abel Gago, a representative of the Socialist Party in Lyon and responsible for culture and education, the idea is not to force the children to eat but to systematically place all the food available on the plate, so that they are encouraged to eat and learn about food. However, with the non-halal food on the plate, the rest is contaminated and Muslim schoolchildren are consequently refusing to eat. For Farida Saadi, a mother of two children at the school aged between 3 and 6 years, the new rule does not make sense.

“I completed all my education without eating meat and without any health problems. We don’t understand why suddenly the rules have changed. Why does the Mayor want to interfere in the education that we would like to give our children?�, she asked. Kamel, whose children also attend the school, does not believe the argument. “If they eat the starter, vegetables and dessert, then what is the problem?�

Whilst French officials have called requests for the availability of halal meat in schools as ‘extravagant’ and ‘costly’, many Muslim parents simply want the freedom for themselves and their children to choose what they would like and not like to eat. In Lyon, a peaceful protest was held for parents to voice their discontent over the new rule. “We have simply asked that meat is not served to our children,� clarifies one parent.

A representative of the Grand Masjid in Paris does not see why halal meat cannot be provided. “Halal meat is nothing new. The French respected the religious values of the Muslim soldiers, so they should do the same now. It is our right. It is necessary for people to understand our culture. Are vegetarians being forced to eat meat? No.�

Just a few weeks earlier, on December 21, five women wearing the headscarf were prohibited from accessing the room of honour in the Town Hall of Seine-Saint-Denis in Bobigny, where they were due to attend a ceremony to officially recognising their French nationality. Accompanying his mother for the ceremony was Amel Cheikhi, a 23-year-old computer programmer.

“When my mother’s name was called, we came forward but an employee asked my mother to take off the hijab if she wanted to enter. I asked why, and explained that we are not at school and that the laicité law (secularism law) does not apply here.� They were told that it was essential to respect the principle of neutrality in the ceremony. As a result, both mother and son were obliged to enter accompanied by police, “like pariahs�, sighs Mrs. Cheikhi. “My mother HAS lived in France since 1971, and her husband, who died in France, spent 30 years working in this country. We are in France, there are laws and I respect them. But here, no-one can tell me where it is written that my mother couldn’t enter that ceremony.�

The French Ministry for Education refused to discuss the above issues with The Muslim News.

In Belgium, on November 22, Rik Remmery, a 51-year-old owner of a food processing business called PME based in Ledegem, received a threatening letter from the xenophobic Flemish group Nieuw Vrij Vlaanderen, after allowing one of his fifty staff to wear the hijab at work.

After a second letter was posted to Remmery, Naima Amzil, a 31 year-old Belgian Moroccan worker in the factory, decided to remove her hijab, out of fear that something may happen to her boss, his wife, and their two children. However, a few days before Xmas, in a fourth letter, the racist group, two representatives of who have been elected to the local council, placed a reward of 250,000 euros for the death of Remmery. He was called a ‘bad Flamand’ for ‘collaborating with the Muslims’. At this point, Naima offered her resignation, which was refused by Remmery.

“What do these extremists want? That we should all have blue eyes and blond hair?� Remmery asked.

He and his family are currently under police protection.

 

extract from : "muslimnews.co.uk/paper/index.php?article=1807"]muslimnews.co.uk/paper/index.php?article=1807[/url]

 

Salaam to everybody ! May Allah ta'Ala bless you !

 

:D

 

Well, It's not only about Children there is a problem in France!

Actually, the Political party in charge of power : U.M.P is facing extreme internal seddition. Because of the Former Economy Minister, the very mediatised N Sarkozy wich tried, try and will try to please his community of quasi-fascist and sectary supporters ( Anti-Aborting movements, Scientology, Holy flaming Christ of Dozulé, Church of the Last Day, Neo-Catholics, Sionist jews, and even also extreme and perverted Islam leaders! ) some friends that the newspapers never talked about (if they would, Sarkozy would be Lynched by every Anti racism or anti sectarism association, and it is not something good for you when you want to be elected as the Président!) They made a huge, hot-air stuffed ballon in order to put their Candidate high in the radio air and took and made an artificial Hidjab affair where the girls in Hidjab are supposed to be beaten by their fathers, husband or relatives! They confort extremists and every day people in their thoughts that a Muslim is a fanatic, mysogenic, ignorant, superstitious and brutal peole !!!

RAHIMOKALLAH !

 

The présidential Part of the UMP Party tries to please the Catholic/Protestant Community in order to keep power in his hands for a third presidential mandate !

This kind of affair pleases also his followers, even if he told he is tolerant !

 

RAHIMOKALLAH !

RAHIMOKALLAH !

RAHIMOKALLAH !

 

Is all i would say about those kinda people !

And it is something very harsh for our community to refute these kind of allegations !

 

May Allah gives strngh to every body

Salaam

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:D

 

Saw a documentary on BBC yesterday about ban on hijaab and how Muslims are struggling over there to cope with this law. I was impressed by the courage and determination by Muslims in the face of the situation.

 

To me it felt like Hitler's time. Everyone seemed to be picking on person who was practising religion.

 

And in the end of the program they mentioned that the hijaab and religious dressing ban will be placed on hospital staff.

 

Felt very bad for the Muslims living in France. I never knew it was so much tough for them living in France.

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:D

 

What's sad it's like 5-9 million muslims in france and they can't do anything for their rights!

 

yeah and most French people are afraid of Muslims . Way too much ignorance in that country. And please dont think Im saying this because Ive read articles on the Hijab ban, Im saying this from personal expierence from living there.

 

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Salam,

 

I dont speak French but I don't where else to ask other than this forum.

 

Is there a kind of city or town in France named Pagal? I can't find it on Internet.

 

Maybe it is Pigal?

 

Is Pigal and Pigalle the same city? Because I find them both and one is put between bracket.

 

I hope there is someone from france here that will clear this up to me

 

Thanks,

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

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Pigalle is a district in the north of Paris (around Pigalle square) which was famous some decades ago for its bars, music halls, and untertainment. It was also the "red light district" in the beginning of the 20th century. Now, the atmosphere has changed:it has become really touristic with coaches full of foreign tourists coming there for the traditional night shows in cabarets like le "moulin rouge" or "les folies bergères" . Let us say that it is more or less the equivalent of Soho in London...

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