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Is the U.S. becoming the enemy we abhor?

 

12/29/2005 8:30:00 AM GMT

 

By Kevin Zeese

 

The people speak with their feet and in the polls. A majority of Americans now believe IRAQ WAR was a mistake and want to see the U.S. beginning to withdraw troops from the country.

 

The Top Ten Reported

 

1. Cindy Sheehan stands up to the U.S. President GEORGE W. BUSH in Crawford, TX and reawakens the anti-war movement. When the 'Peace Mom' was at the Veterans for Peace conference in Dallas,Texas this summer she decided she was going to Crawford to see the President.

 

She went but only saw the President as he sped by to a fund raiser for Republican candidates. But Bush – and the world – heard her question: “Mr. President what was the noble cause for which my son Casey died?”

 

The President is still having trouble with that basic question. Sheehan's stand awakened the nation in what Nancy Lessin of Military Families Speak Out described as “the acoustics of ditch.” Sheehan usually appears on stage with other Gold Star Families, family members of soldiers serving in Iraq and veterans of the Iraq War recognizing that she is just one of hundreds of thousands of family members whose loved ones have been killed or seriously injured in the war and occupation.

 

2. In March more than 700 demonstrations were held throughout the U.S. on the second anniversary of the invasion. On September 24, several hundred thousand people took action and demonstrated in Washington, DC against the war in IRAQ. The march, co-sponsored by United for Peace and Justice and the ANSWER Coalition, featured speakers from a wide range of perspectives – geographic, political, ethnic and religious. The event was reported in the corporate media as a 'mere' 100,000 when DC police officials said the organizers at least met their goal of 100,000. After the march activities continued a United for Peace and Justice sponsored lobby day where more than 1,000 people lobbied elected officials. And, the several days of activities included civil disobedience where 40 people were arrested at the Pentagon and more than 370 people were arrested at the White House - three times larger then the previous record for arrests for civil disobedience at the White House.

 

3. The people of Iraq who have stood up for their nation's freedom – voting for political parties that call for the end of the occupation, with political leaders who signed the Cairo Statement that called for withdrawal of troops, for political forces putting forward the framework for a ceasefire and end to IRAQ WAR, and for Iraqis who have resisted the occupation.

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4. Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) put forward an exit strategy. Murtha, who supported the invasion of Iraq and consistently advocates for a stronger military and larger defense budget, urged an immediate 'redeployment' of U.S. forces out of Iraq to be completed in six months. The proposal is more aggressive than any legislation introduced up to that time, and because of Rep. Murtha's reputation as a hawk, it immediately started an aggressive discussion of the war in Congress.

 

5. Former military, intelligence and foreign service officers speak out against the war. Among those who have come out against the war are:

 

- Brent Skowcroft, national security adviser to President George H.W. Bush and deputy to Henry Kissinger in the Nixon Administration, who described the Iraq War as a failing venture.

 

- General William Odom, a Retired General, Former Head of NSA Under President Reagan, wrote an article "What's Wrong with Cutting and Running?" in which he argued all we fear is more likely the longer we stay in Iraq.

 

- John Deutch, who headed the Central Intelligence Agency from 1995 and 1996 and was deputy defense secretary 1994-1995 called for U.S. troops to immediately leave Iraq in June 2005.

 

- Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security adviser to President Carter, describes President George W. Bush's foreign policy as "suicidal statecraft" in a Los Angeles Times commentary.

 

- Melvin Laird, the Secretary of Defense for President Richard Nixon, called for an exit strategy from Iraq saying the Bush administration is repeating mistakes in Iraq made by Richard Nixon during the Vietnam war.

 

- Lawrence B. Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell and a retired Army colonel in a speech to the New America Foundation and a Los Angeles Times commentary accused Cheney and Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld of leading a "cabal" that circumvented the formal policy-making and intelligence processes in order to take the country to a disastrous war in Iraq.

 

- Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, a retired four-star general, was Commander in Chief of the U.S. Central Command (1991-94) and commanded the U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf after the 1991 war, described the Iraq War as "wrong from the beginning . . .”

 

- Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan (ret.) has described Iraq as "the wrong war at the wrong time."

 

- Edward Peck, the former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and Deputy Director of President Reagan's terrorist task force who served in World War II and Korea and then for 32 years as a diplomat described Iraq War as "unnecessary, poorly conceived and badly planned."

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6. Republicans begin to break rank with the PRESIDENT. The anti-war movement began to see some breakthroughs in the Republican Party - most notably Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) who said, we're destabilizing the region. And, in the House. Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC), known for renaming the Congressional French Fries "Freedom Fries," called for withdrawal and claimed he was misled when he supported the war. Rep. Ron Paul, a Republican with strong libertarian instincts, has criticized the "neocon global government" and said the U.S. is "ignoring reality in Iraq.” Rep. John Duncan, Jr. (R-TN) argued that true conservatives should oppose the "undeclared and unnecessary war" in Iraq in a speech entitled "The Situation in Iraq" on the the House Floor on June 28.

 

7. Soldiers start to say no to the war, recruiters fail to meet recruitment goals, and mothers organize against the draft. The end of the Vietnam War came in part because U.S. soldiers lost faith in the war and their military leadership.

 

In 2005 the U.S. began to see that starting in IRAQ. Soldiers were leaving the country to avoid service and others faced prison for conscientious objection. Pablo Paredes statement upon his sentencing for refusing to return to Iraq said it clearly: "I am guilty of believing this war is illegal. I'm guilty of believing war in all forms is immoral and useless, and I am guilty of believing that as a service member I have a duty to refuse to participate in this war because it is illegal." Seeing the reality war creates anti-war activists willing to go to jail for their views.

 

As Cynthia McKinney said of Kevin Benderman, another conscientious objector, “He was present when his superior ordered his unit to open fire on small children who were throwing rocks at the soldiers of his unit. He chased the hungry dogs from an open mass grave filled with the bodies of young children, old men and women. Kevin saw the burned child, crying in pain, while all around her ignored her injuries.” Kevin's wife Monica continues to speak out against the war while her husband is incarcerated. Counter recruitment, already difficult because the Iraq War is unpopular and the commander in chief is not trusted, was made more difficult by counter recruitment efforts.

 

8. Congress stands up to PRESIDENT BUSH and Vice President on torture. Three leading Republican Senators -- John McCain (AZ), John Warner (VA) and Lindsay Graham (SC) -- challenged the White House with legislation that would expressly prohibit cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of detainees in U.S. custody anywhere in the world. Both Houses of Congress voted overwhelmingly to ban torture – even after a threatened veto by the President (it would have been his first of his presidency) and after intensive lobbying by Vice President Cheney. While lobbying to preserve torture, PRESIDENT BUSH and other administration officials claimed the U.S. did not engage in torture.

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9. The Downing Street Memos breakthrough in the corporate media. A concerted web based campaign by a coalition of organizations under the name, AfterDowningStreet(contact admin if its a beneficial link) forced the corporate media to cover the Downing Street Memos. A series of memos that added to the evidence that the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence to send the U.S. to war. As the evidence mounted the public came to support the impeachment of PRESIDENT BUSH at levels higher than they ever supported the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

 

10. Anti-war Democrats, ignored the leadership of their party and have gotten organized and are speaking out more effectively than they had been through the 'Out of Iraq Caucus' in the House. House members deserving special recognition include Maxine Waters (D-CA), Lynn Woolsey (D-CA), Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Barbara Lee (D-CA), Neil Abrocrombie (D-HI), Jim McDermott (D-WA), Michael Capuano (D-MA) and Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) and Henry Waxman (D-CA). In the Senate Russ Feingold (D-WI) and Robert Byrd (D-WV) have spoken out for bringing U.S. troops home. And, Sen. Harry Reid, the Democratic Leader deserves credit for closing the Senate to force debate on misuse of intelligence leading up to the invasion.

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The Underreported Ten

 

1. Bush Family war profiteering on the WAR IN IRAQ. The extent of Iraq contracts going to corporations which involve members of President George W. Bush's family has not been investigated by the corporate media. Among the Bush family members profiting from the war are his brothers Neil and Marvin as well as Bucky and William. This involves contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Often Bush-related firms receive contracts where the corporations have no expertise and certainly the BUSH family members have no expertise or experience in these areas.

 

2. Investigate war crimes in the assault on Fallujah. The city of Fallujah had once been quiet about the occupation, but U.S. soldiers KILLING OF CIVILIANS protesting the military taking of a school led to an uprising. The result: two devastating assaults, accusations of indiscriminate bombings, killing of civilians and the use of chemical weapons. Today, as one unidentified U.S. solder says “Anyone in Fallujah can be an insurgent.” Understanding Fallujah will explain why the U.S. cannot win the IRAQ WAR.

 

3. The environmental and human impact of depleted uranium needs investigation. The U.S. is using armaments with depleted uranium claiming that there is no risk involved. Yet, there is evidence of danger to U.S. soldiers as well as Iraqis and the environment.

 

4. Is the United States losing the war in Iraq? In his recent series of speeches, Bush consistently claimed that the U.S. will leave Iraq when "we win the war". Further, he and the Vice President have been claiming that we are winning the war. They know that many Americans are willing to take U.S. casualties and spend billions of dollars if there is a chance of winning. Yet, there is strong evidence that the war cannot be won and that the U.S. is doing more harm than good by remaining in Iraq.

 

5. The under counting of U.S. casualties in IRAQ demeans the sacrifice of U.S. soldiers and is an unpatriotic lie of the Bush Administration. While 15,000 soldiers are reportedly casualties of the war, in fact more than 100,000 have sought medical treatment. The administration undercounts casualties as part of its efforts to hide the true costs of the war. The media should pierce this veil of dishonesty and tell the public the truth about the casualty count.

 

6. The need for a corporate withdrawal from Iraq as a first step toward giving Iraq back to Iraqis. The U.S. has been unable to rebuild the infrastructure of Iraq – electricity, oil production, sewage treatment, government buildings and other basic infrastructure needs – are not being rebuilt at a satisfactory pace. Evidence of widespread corruption by U.S. corporations is institutionalizing corruption in Iraq. Halliburton is a prime example of a government boondoggle – ineffective in its rebuilding efforts, unauditable in its billing practices and unfair in its treatment of workers – it is a prime example of the need for a U.S. corporate withdrawal from Iraq.

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7. Impeachment of the President and Vice President needs to become a part of mainstream political dialog. The evidence of false statements by the administration, and especially Bush and Cheney, has grown in 2005. The public believes that if the President lied he should be impeached. More and more people are openly talking about impeachment, now it is time for the media to examine whether the President and Vice President are above the law. Rep. John Conyers issued a detailed report on these issues and submitted various impeachment-related bills at the end of the session.

 

8. Examine the real costs of the Iraq War – not just the hundreds of billions appropriated for the war, but what these appropriations are costing Americans in their daily lives. With the U.S. budget in high-level deficit spending continued occupation of Iraq – at a cost of $6 billion per month – means the U.S. cannot fund other projects. Sen. Edward Kennedy has put out a list of what the U.S. could do with the money – in health care, education, housing and other necessities of the people. It is time for the American public to know what this war is really costing.

 

9. Is the U.S. becoming the enemy we abhor? Reports of torture, civilian casualties, use of weapons of mass destruction make the United States more and more similar to Saddam Hussein's Iraq every day.

 

10. The politics of the Iraq War in 2006. Are Democrats at risk of turning off their anti-war base by being unable to enunciate a position on Iraq? Are Republicans risking loss of control of either or both Houses of the Congress? How many voters feel like Cindy Sheehan who says she will not support any pro-war candidate – Republican or Democrat? Is the anti-war movement organizing to support anti-war candidates and oppose pro-war candidates?

 

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US intervention upon foriegn soil in last century

 

NICARAGUA

1894

Troops

Month-long occupation of Bluefields.

 

CHINA

1894-95

Naval, troops

Marines land in Sino-Japanese War.

 

KOREA

1894-96

Troops

Marines kept in Seoul during war.

 

PANAMA

1895

Troops, naval

Marines land in Colombian province.

 

NICARAGUA

1896

Troops

Marines land in port of Corinto.

 

CHINA

1898-1900

Troops

Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.

 

PHILIPPINES

1898-1910(-?)

Naval, troops

Seized from Spain, killed

600,000 Filipinos.

 

CUBA

1898-1902(-?)

Naval, troops

Seized from Spain, still hold Navy

base.

 

PUERTO RICO

1898(-?)

Naval, troops

Seized from Spain, occupation

continues.

 

GUAM

1898(-?)

Naval, troops

Seized from Spain, still use as base.

 

MINNESOTA

1898(-?)

Troops

Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.

 

NICARAGUA

1898

Troops

Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.

 

SAMOA

1899(-?)

Troops

Battle over succession to throne.

 

NICARAGUA

1899

Troops

Marines land at port of Bluefields.

 

IDAHO

1899-1901

Troops

Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.

 

OKLAHOMA

1901

Troops

Army battles Creek Indian revolt.

 

PANAMA

1901-14

Naval, troops

Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914-99.

 

HONDURAS

1903

Troops

Marines intervene in revolution.

 

DOMINICAN REP.

1903-04

Troops

U.S. interests protected in Revolution.

 

KOREA

1904-05

Troops

Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.

 

CUBA

1906-09

Troops

Marines land in democratic election.

 

NICARAGUA

1907

Troops

"Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.

 

HONDURAS

1907

Troops

Marines land during war with Nicaragua.

 

PANAMA

1908

Troops

Marines intervene in election contest.

 

NICARAGUA

1910

Troops

Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.

 

HONDURAS

1911

Troops

U.S. interests protected in civil war.

 

CHINA

1911-41

Naval, troops

Continuous occupation with flare-ups.

 

CUBA

1912

Troops

U.S. interests protected in Havana.

 

PANAMA

19l2

Troops

Marines land during heated election.

 

HONDURAS

19l2

Troops

Marines protect U.S. economic interests.

 

NICARAGUA

1912-33

Troops, bombing

20-year occupation, fought guerrillas.

 

MEXICO

19l3

Naval

Americans evacuated during revolution.

 

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

1914

Naval

Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.

 

COLORADO

1914

Troops

Breaking of miners' strike by Army.

 

MEXICO

1914-18

Naval, troops

Series of interventions against

nationalists.

 

HAITI

1914-34

Troops, bombing

19-year occupation after revolts.

 

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

1916-24

Troops

8-year Marine occupation.

 

CUBA

1917-33

Troops

Military occupation, economic protectorate.

 

WORLD WAR I

19l7-18

Naval, troops

Ships sunk, fought Germany

 

RUSSIA

1918-22

Naval, troops

Five landings to fight Bolsheviks.

 

 

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PANAMA

1918-20

Troops

"Police duty" during unrest after elections.

 

YUGOSLAVIA

1919

Troops

Marines intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.

 

HONDURAS

1919

Troops

Marines land during election campaign.

 

GUATEMALA

1920

Troops

2-week intervention against unionists.

 

WEST VIRGINIA

1920-21

Troops, bombing

Army intervenes against

mineworkers.

 

TURKEY

1922

Troops

Fought nationalists in Smyrna (Izmir).

 

CHINA

1922-27

Naval, troops

Deployment during nationalist revolt.

 

HONDURAS

1924-25

Troops

Landed twice during election strife.

 

PANAMA

1925

Troops

Marines suppress general strike.

 

CHINA

1927-34

Troops

Marines stationed throughout the country.

 

EL SALVADOR

1932

Naval

Warships sent during Faribundo Marti revolt.

 

WASHINGTON DC

1932

Troops

Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.

 

WORLD WAR II

1941-45

Naval,troops, bombing, nuclear

Fought Axis for 3

years; 1st nuclear war.

 

DETROIT

1943

Troops

Army puts down Black rebellion.

 

IRAN

1946

Nuclear threat

Soviet troops told to leave north (Iranian

Azerbaijan).

 

YUGOSLAVIA

1946

Naval

Response to shooting-down of U.S. plane.

 

URUGUAY

1947

Nuclear threat

Bombers deployed as show of strength.

 

GREECE

1947-49

Command operation

U.S. directs extreme-right in civil

war.

 

CHINA

1948-49

Troops

Marines evacuate Americans before Communist victory.

 

GERMANY

1948

Nuclear threat

Atomic-capable bombers guard Berlin Airlift.

 

PHILIPPINES

1948-54

Command operation

CIA directs war against Huk

Rebellion.

 

PUERTO RICO

1950

Command operation

Independence rebellion crushed in

Ponce.

 

KOREA

1950-53

Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats

U.S.&

South Korea fight China & North Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, & vs. China in 1953. Still have bases.

 

IRAN

1953

Command operation

CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.

 

VIETNAM

1954

Nuclear threat

Bombs offered to French to use against

siege.

 

GUATEMALA

1954

Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalizes U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.

 

EGYPT

1956

Nuclear threat, troops

Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; MArines evacuate foreigners

 

LEBANON

1958

Troops, naval

Marine occupation against rebels.

 

IRAQ

1958

Nuclear threat

Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.

 

CHINA

1958

Nuclear threat

China told not to move on Taiwan isles.

 

PANAMA

1958

Troops

Flag protests erupt into confrontation.

 

VIETNAM

1960-75

Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; 1-2 million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in 1968 and 1969.

 

CUBA

1961

Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails.

 

GERMANY

1961

Nuclear threat Alert during Berlin Wall crisis.

 

CUBA

1962

Nuclear threat

Naval

Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with USSR.

 

LAOS

1962

Command operation

Military buildup during guerrilla war.

 

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PANAMA

1964

Troops

Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.

 

INDONESIA

1965

Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.

 

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

1965-66

Troops, bombing Marines land during election campaign.

 

GUATEMALA

1966-67

Command operation Green Berets intervene against rebels.

 

DETROIT

1967

Troops

Army battles Blacks, 43 killed.

 

UNITED STATES

1968

Troops

After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.

 

CAMBODIA

1969-75

Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.

 

OMAN

1970

Command operation U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.

 

LAOS

1971-73

Command operation, bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.

 

SOUTH DAKOTA

1973

Command operation Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.

 

MIDEAST

1973

Nuclear threat World-wide alert during Mideast War.

 

CHILE

1973

Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.

 

CAMBODIA

1975

Troops, bombing Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.

 

ANGOLA

1976-92

Command operation CIA assists South African-backed rebels.

 

IRAN

1980

Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution.

 

LIBYA

1981

Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.

 

EL SALVADOR

1981-92

Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.

 

NICARAGUA

1981-90

Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.

 

LEBANON

1982-84

Naval, bombing, troops Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim and Syrian positions.

 

HONDURAS

1983-89

Troops

Maneuvers help build bases near borders.

 

GRENADA

1983-84

Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution.

 

IRAN

1984

Jets

Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.

 

LIBYA

1986

Bombing, naval Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't.

 

BOLIVIA

1986

Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region.

 

IRAN

1987-88

Naval, bombing US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.

 

LIBYA

1989

Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down.

 

VIRGIN ISLANDS

1989

Troops

St. Croix Black unrest after storm.

 

PHILIPPINES

1989

Jets

Air cover provided for government against coup.

 

PANAMA

1989-90

Troops, bombing

Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.

 

LIBERIA

1990

Troops

Foreigners evacuated during civil war.

 

SAUDI ARABIA

1990-91

Troops, jets Iraq countered after invading Kuwait; 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, israel.

 

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IRAQ

1990-?

Bombing, troops, naval Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; no-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south, large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.

 

KUWAIT

1991

Naval, bombing, troops Kuwait royal family returned to throne.

 

LOS ANGELES

1992

Troops

Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.

 

SOMALIA

1992-94

Troops, naval, bombing U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.

 

YUGOSLAVIA

1992-94

Naval

Nato blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.

 

BOSNIA

1993-95

Jets, bombing No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.

 

HAITI

1994-96

Troops, naval

Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.

 

CROATIA

1995

Bombing

Krajina Serb airfields attacked before Croatian offensive.

 

ZAIRE (CONGO)

1996-97

Troops

Marines at Rwandan Hutu refuge camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.

 

LIBERIA

1997

Troops

Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.

 

ALBANIA

1997

Troops

Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.

 

SUDAN

1998

Missiles

Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.

 

AFGHANISTAN

1998

Missiles

Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.

 

IRAQ

1998-?

Bombing, Missiles

Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.

 

YUGOSLAVIA

1999-?

Bombing, Missiles

Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo.

 

YEMEN

2000

Naval

Suicide bomb attack on USS Cole.

 

MACEDONIA

2001

Troops

NATO troops shift and partially disarm Albanian rebels.

 

UNITED STATES

2001

Jets, naval

Response to hijacking attacks.

 

AFGHANISTAN

2001

Massive U.S. mobilization to attack Taliban, Bin Laden. War could expand to Iraq, Sudan, and beyond.

 

 

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That latest list wasn't stretched at all. :D

 

SOUTH DAKOTA

1973

Command operation Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.

 

The Wounded Knee massacre took place in 1890, not 1973.

 

You also call it US intervention on foreign soil. Yet, there are many instances of domestic deployment listed. There are too many errors in this list to bother listing them all.

 

Do you want credibility? You're not doing a good job of earning it, here.

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That latest list wasn't stretched at all.

 

SOUTH DAKOTA

1973

Command operation Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.

 

The Wounded Knee massacre took place in 1890, not 1973.

 

You also call it US intervention on foreign soil. Yet, there are many instances of domestic deployment listed. There are too many errors in this list to bother listing them all.

 

Do you want credibility? You're not doing a good job of earning it, here.

 

 

 

 

 

please do list them all,

 

I promise to write back your grievances/objections to the original writer.

 

I do not consider myself an expert in American History though.

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Nice try, but I'm not going to fix your problems. You figure it out. For now, I'll just consider you someone without credibility. I mean, if you're going to post something like that and not be sure of it's accuracy, well, that's just lame. And to tell others to fix your inaccuracies? Please. I'm not going to waste my time on lazy people.

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The major problem is,this board doesnt allow me to post links!
:D

Peace Vaid,

 

You need to reach your 50th post to be able to include links...

 

You're almost there :D

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Nice try, but I'm not going to fix your problems. You figure it out. For now, I'll just consider you someone without credibility. I mean, if you're going to post something like that and not be sure of it's accuracy, well, that's just lame. And to tell others to fix your inaccuracies? Please. I'm not going to waste my time on lazy people.

 

Shall i call this a height of hyposcrisy?

I posted it because i think it is accurate and credible.I thought you had some problems with the content?

 

How am i going to fix it, if i do not know what problem it has?

 

you seemed to have said that there were "too many errors"?back up your statement or dont waste my time.

 

 

If you still want to linger in your imaginative world of "Mr X is not credible",sure! you can think whatever you want.who cares?

 

 

~vaid

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Shall i call this a height of hyposcrisy?

I posted it because i think it is accurate and credible.I thought you had some problems with the content?

 

How am i going to fix it, if i do not know what problem it has?

 

you seemed to have said that there were "too many errors"?back up your statement or dont waste my time.

If you still want to linger in your imaginative world of "Mr X is not credible",sure! you can think whatever you want.who cares?

~vaid

 

Hypocrisy would be if I had posted a link to an erroneous website, myself, and refused acknowledge those errors. Instead claiming that I "think" it's right, even though several errors have already been pointed out.

 

Waste your time? You're trying to waste mine. I'm not one the one who made 4,000 lines of posts. If I tried to fix everyone's errors on this forum, I'd never do anything else. I spend more than enough time fixing my own. I don't post bogus links and try to force other people into fixing the errors.

 

But do you know what's the most ridiculous part of all of this? We probably agree in our opinions of American foreign policy. I just hate it when people use bad data (etc.). I trivializes the points people make who have good data. If you're going to do something, do it right. Don't do it half a**.

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:D

 

Lateralus and Vaid, Please keep on topic. Feel free to start a new, separate topic to discuss whatever you feel like discussing, but not here please. Going off-topic is a violation of IF rules, and is not fair to the topic starter.

Thank you for helping us better organize IF. :D

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Is the U.S. becoming the enemy we abhor?

 

12/29/2005 8:30:00 AM GMT

 

By Kevin Zeese

 

The people speak with their feet and in the polls. A majority of Americans now believe IRAQ WAR was a mistake and want to see the U.S. beginning to withdraw troops from the country.

 

The Top Ten Reported

 

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3. The people of Iraq who have stood up for their nation's freedom – voting for political parties that call for the end of the occupation, with political leaders who signed the Cairo Statement that called for withdrawal of troops, for political forces putting forward the framework for a ceasefire and end to IRAQ WAR, and for Iraqis who have resisted the occupation.

 

 

 

 

And if the insurgents stop slaughtering their fellow Iraqis at the rate of about 50 -75 per week , maybe indeed , the U S will pullout .

 

But alas , we shall never know that, since the insurgent goal is something rather different than what the Iraqi people want, and it will be "their way or the highway " , and the killing will go on until they are killed or the Iraqi government gets strong enough to defend itself .

Yes , "the cairo statement " ...indeed , the insurgents sneer at it .

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And if the insurgents stop slaughtering their fellow Iraqis at the rate of about 50 -75 per week ,

I understand your anger,

 

How dare the [cough]Iraqi police commando's[cough] deprive us from slaughtering the 50-75 Iraqi's per week...

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You understand NOTHING , regarding me thezman . Try to be a bitless presumptious .

I stated a fact , I did not express anger . Don't transfer your emotions to me ....ok ?

You know as well as I , that the U S will nver pullout while the unmitigated slaughter of Iraqi civilians by the "alleged insurgents " continues , so please dont play your word games with me , reserve it for fellow likeminded individuals such as yourself .

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You know as well as I ,

 

and you say I know nothing about you, and that I'm being presumptious? :D

 

I got you pegged baby :D

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As I said ....presumptious . But nothing more than a cover-up to deny the FACT I stated .

50 to 75 Iraqi civilians slaughtered each week by "alleged insurgents " .

 

That's what got you pegged , to the point of sidestepping the statement.

 

And just to give an example of the viciousness of those dogs , there is a man in Bagdad , who has been burying the dead , those whose bodies go unclaimed . He's been doing it since Saddams regime and continues today , for no pay . It matters not which side the dead have been on .

 

And the insurgents now target him for burying the bodies of their enemies.

These are the dogs you attempt to defend , and their crimes, which you attempt to blame on the Americans ....shame on you .

 

 

 

50 -75 Iraqi civilians slaughtered each week by the "alleged insurgents " .

 

Every week .

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And just to give an example of the viciousness of those dogs , there is a man in Bagdad , who has been burying the dead , those whose bodies go unclaimed . He's been doing it since Saddams regime and continues today , for no pay . It matters not which side the dead have been on .

 

Post the link to back up your statement...

 

These are the dogs you attempt to defend , and their crimes,

 

like our guys haven't committed any crimes...

 

crimes that dwarf what Saddam and the current Iraqi police death squads have done...

 

which you attempt to blame on the Americans ....

 

Depleted Uranium!...Napalm!...White Phosphorous!...Cluster Bombs!...Fuel Air Bombs!...Thermobaric Weapons!...Cruise Missiles!...Sanctions!...Abu Ghraib!...etc, etc, etc :D

shame on you .

No baby, shame on you B)

 

50 -75 Iraqi civilians slaughtered each week by the "alleged insurgents " Every week

and when we cite figure's compiled by independent/non-biased groups of the Innocent Iraqi's murdered by us, they're automatically reject for not being accurate due to no detailed body count was done,

 

yet you have the nerve to conjure up 50-75 Every Week like a Swiss watch :D

 

It's time for you to wake up from your la la land :D

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