Women And Sexual Harassment

[anthony19832005 0]

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In America there's so much of it... I still don't accept sexual harassment...so no. Not justified. Have some self control & discipline.

 

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AS

 

Q: Please could you tell me if the Virgin female should perform any special prayers, fast etc. JazakAllah for your advise. 2)Has she lost her Vaginity as she was raped? 3)has she also lost her blessings?

 

A: If a female was raped due to her not maintaining the laws of Hijaab, she is partly to be blamed as the rapist will be considered as being seduced by her revealing form and shape. She should make Tawbah (sincerely repent) by also adhering to the laws of Hijaab.

 

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

 

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

FATWA DEPT.

 

 

Seems like the great mufti partly blames women too. Shocking isent it.

[***Mu'min*** 0]

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Seems like the great mufti partly blames women too. Shocking isent it.

I can understand why the Sheik said this.

 

If I take part in dangerous sports each week, and then one day I had an accident due to mismanagement, this is partly my fault since I decided to take part in such dangerous sport.

It is the same for smoking. If I smoke everyday and then eventually end up with lung cancer, I am to blame and cannot blame luck, Allah etc.

 

It is the same for women. Not only Sheiks have said this, but physiologists have also mentioned this.

If a woman exposes her body, then it is obviously going to tempt man. Since there are men out there who would physically attack a woman, such display of her body will only enrage the hormones within him.

 

 

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[anthony19832005 0]

YES BUT HE BLAMES WOMEN FOR BEING RAPED.

 

Its is HILLARIOUS how you try to spin this around.

 

All that some women want is to be able to wear comfortable clothes or clothes of their choice, not too revealing mostly, like jeans and a jacket etc, and not have to wear bee-keeper suits all the time to guard from the sexually repressed muslim men that might jump on them like animals. thats all.

Edited March 1, 2006 by anthony19832005

[anonymous 0]

Hello Anthony,

 

The Mufti's point wasn't to focus the blame on the girl, rather it was to point out that there are situations when part of the blame may fall on the women as well due to lack of Hijaab.

 

Kindly note, that observing Hijaab doesn't just mean covering the head, or even the entire body. It actually deals with every actions of the person, including proper clothing and the way of conduct with others. Just as not covering oneself properly may be called 'lack of hijaab', same can be said when a person has flirty attitude. Therefore, the Mufti's answer was simply to remind the questioner if any such thing occured.

 

Also note, that the questioner wasn't asking what punishment the raper would get, but it was whether she herself would be losing any blessing as a victim. The Mufti thus gave her a way of self-checking, to judge for herself if she had acted in a way she shouldn't have. And if, on her own account, she found herself (slightly) guilty of that, then the advice would be to repent and to maintain the proper codes of Hijaab in her life.

 

Who voted yes?

It's just appalling that someone voted yes to that question.. at an Islamic forum.

:D

 

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[anthony19832005 0]

i know what hijab means thank you.

[anonymous 0]

i know what hijab means thank you.

 

No probs.

[Ridani 0]

Assalamu alaikum,

 

No way never.

[muslim mujahid 0]

:D

 

firstly i would like to say that sexual harrasment is zina, therefore haram.

 

secondly how can you say that your (kaffir) women are not oppressed, when it is so obvious that they are.

 

look at the way kaffir men treat their women, as sex objects. men are encouraged to read pornography, and women are given examples of what to look like. if a woman is bigger than a size 9 shes unattractive, and so they are subjected to media scrutiny and and endless regime of diets to fit into the societal stereotype of 'attractiveness'. if they dont have the right type of curve, or if there breasts arent a certain size, there classed as social misfits. the TV adverts and the magazines telling women they need to be like a certain celebrity, and they need to aspire to be as thin as they are, an onslaugt of peer pressure telling them they arent cool if they are 18 and still a virgin.

if we look at the latest womens fashions they seem to be getting less and less modest, on the beaches women wear there underwear on display. the cheerleader culture, where the most attractive women are selected to were the skimpiest clothes to arouse support for a team.

 

and yet, you have the audacity to tell me MY women are oppressed. subhanllah

[darla_1753 0]

Salaam,

 

the scholar who said that the woman was in some way blamed for being raped is obviously unaware that rape is almost never an issue of lust. Realistically, if a man is wanting sex he can have it without raping someone, hence the existance of prostitutes in every society since time began.

 

Rape is not an issue of lust, it is an issue of power. Over 80% of rapes in the UK are committed by someone the victim already knows.

 

Claiming that rape is because women 'incite' men by what they wear is simply a convenient way to attempt to shift the blame from men to women. If a woman is raped, it is not her fault, full stop. It doesn't matter if she was swanning around on the high street completely starkers, it was the rapist who took the actions because his head is screwed up.

 

Peace and Love,

 

DARLA

 

ps: the rape case in Pakistan which was mentioned earlier was that of Mukhtar Mai.

[muslim mujahid 0]

no, it may not be the way a woman dresses that incites the motive for rape. but it is very much the fault of the society pushing ideas that men are superior to women, and that women are sexual objects. that is the fault of this society.

[anthony19832005 0]

the society pushing ideas that men are superior to women, and that women are sexual objects. that is the fault of this society.

 

Youre talking about muslim society and culture as well here right?

[muslim mujahid 0]

no, im not, and you cant use the example of so called 'muslim countries' becasue there is no shariah law.

[Minto 0]

Rape is not an issue of lust, it is an issue of power. Over 80% of rapes in the UK are committed by someone the victim already knows.

 

Claiming that rape is because women 'incite' men by what they wear is simply a convenient way to attempt to shift the blame from men to women. If a woman is raped, it is not her fault, full stop. It doesn't matter if she was swanning around on the high street completely starkers, it was the rapist who took the actions because his head is screwed up.

 

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS

[crystal_sword 0]

:D dear muslims

 

Er... nobody here is blaming the victim... unless your eyes decieve you.

 

All that is being said is that there is a difference between someone who covers up, and someone who walks around Showing skin.

 

You will find statistics show that in places where women are modest, there are not that much rapes compared to places where women reveal themselves to strangers. These strangers could be anyone.

 

But of course, Our friend Minto here beleives different, and thinks countries like Iran are an example of Islam..

 

.....Oh how you make me smile :D

[Abubakar 0]

... remember that women in Pakistan who was sentenced to rape by several men at the same time? Thats another example. Maybe it's not as rare as we would like to believe in the Islamic world. But obviously I have no idea...sorry

Yes you are right. You have no idea.

 

I think you will find it is rarer than you think.

 

Typically the Sharia punishment for rape is death, this says more about Islams attitude to rape than your tabloid story.

[Minto 0]

Er... nobody here is blaming the victim... unless your eyes decieve you.

 

Yes they are

 

All that is being said is that there is a difference between someone who covers up, and someone who walks around Showing skin.

 

The only difference is that one is covered up

 

You will find statistics show that in places where women are modest, there are not that much rapes compared to places where women reveal themselves to strangers. These strangers could be anyone.

 

Not less rapes, just less reported and you know why that is.

 

But of course, Our friend Minto here beleives different, and thinks countries like Iran are an example of Islam..

 

Maybe not an example of Islam, but an example of a country full of muslims.

 

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[dawud_uk 0]

As Salaam Alaikum,

 

I've read something quite recently that has made me of course very upset. I read that a man said in court that he had every right to rape a woman because she was not wearing a headscard or niqab. Of course I was disguisted, and I would really like to no, how many of you believe that it's ok or not to sexually harass a woman becuase she may not be dressed properly.

 

So what if she dresses in a way that causes negative attention. We are talking about is it ok or not.

 

Is it ok?

 

salaam

 

assalaamu alaykum,

 

there were recent polls on this done in the UK, here was my response to the press.

 

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Sir: One third of people in Britain consider it at least partly a woman's fault if she is dressed immodestly or drunk and is then raped, according to a study.

 

If I walked across a dark park and was robbed, the thief would be to blame for the crime, not me. But just as I wouldn't walk across a dark park at night in a crime-ridden area, so women need to be careful also. Urging caution is not, however, the same as apportioning blame to the innocent party.

 

God tells us in the Quran 24:31: "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty."

 

If a woman is attacked whilst half naked or drunk she is at fault for being half naked or drunk, not for any attack that results; that is the man's fault not hers. Men have control of their own desires and God has given us the ability to keep our trousers on.

 

DAW'UD ABDULLAH MANNION

 

SHEFFIELD

 

 

 

assalaamu alaykum,

Daw'ud

[muslim mujahid 0]

Yes they are

The only difference is that one is covered up

Not less rapes, just less reported and you know why that is.

Maybe not an example of Islam, but an example of a country full of muslims.

 

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no one is blaming the victim matey boy, they are blaming western society as a whole.

 

the difference is one is modest and doesnt flaunt her 'charms' for men to gorge at.

 

my freind you are just displaying your ignorance for everyone to laugh at.

[maya ayam 0]

no i dont thin it is right to sexually harass anyone :D its just plane dismal behaviour

[fluffysteve 0]

No!, this should not even be a queastion. Where did this happen in!?!

 

i always remember on the BBC's question time program some old beared muslim saying that it is the fault of women for getting raped. afterall, in iran they'll stone to death a woman sometimes for being raped. similar issue emerged in austrailia recently of local male imans sticking up for their boys.

[Aleem 0]

Its just plain wrong sexually harass anyone.

[khalylmk 0]

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It's dreadfully wrong to harass someone like that...

 

BTW, i recently heard about 'a public rape case' where a pregnant woman got gang raped because of a land dispute between her husband and another man... What was even more horrible was that she was raped on the streets and no one came to her rescue...

 

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i mean how insensitive can people be... (side note: no muslim involved, but that's not the point, isn't it?) makes me sick to hear these type of things these days... :D

[platinum601 0]

Who the jahanam voted yes?

 

Sum1 should harass this person

 

astaghfurallah lol jk

[noxiouspython 2]

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It's dreadfully wrong to harass someone like that...

 

BTW, i recently heard about 'a public rape case' where a pregnant woman got gang raped because of a land dispute between her husband and another man... What was even more horrible was that she was raped on the streets and no one came to her rescue...

 

:D

i mean how insensitive can people be... (side note: no muslim involved, but that's not the point, isn't it?) makes me sick to hear these type of things these days... :D

 

 

:D

 

 

that is why you have the stoning ot death punishment.... [although i believe the person should be given something really, really painful and excruciating then this but..]

 

w/salaam

[open 0]

Hope this is understood by our sisters.

 

shukran

How is this to be understood?

 

Research and experience shows women are not attacked because they are sexy dressed, but because they look weak.

 

A woman that does not want to be raped should learn how to speak with men, to undermine their self-confidence by acting self-confident, revealing that she can defend herself even if she has no man to protect her.

 

A woman who does not even dare to ask a man what time is it is like the man who kept his scuitcase full of money on roadside.

 

Hope this is understood by the brothers. :D