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I try to follow Qur'an alone and the Prophet (pbuh) where he is expanding on the Qur'an, ie, your example of the prayers. But the Prophet (pbuh) was only a messanger and was not allowed to forbid things that Allah (swt) didn't forbid.

 

The prophet :D NEVER forbad anything the Allah :D did not and he :) never allowed anything Allah :D did not!

 

You must never have read these verses:

 

"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): “If you (really) love Allâh then follow me (i.e. accept Islâmic Monotheism, follow the Qur’ھn and the Sunnah), Allâh will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Say (O Muhammad): “Obey Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad).” But if they turn away, then Allâh does not like the disbelievers." (Qur’an 3: 31)

"O mankind! Verily, there has come to you the Messenger (Muhammad) with the truth from your Rabb (Sustainer). So believe in him, it is better for you. But if you disbelieve, then certainly to Allâh belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. And Allâh is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise." (Qurân 4: 170)

"He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad) has indeed obeyed Allâh, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (Muhammad) as a watcher over them." (Qurân 4: 80)

 

PEOPLE ARE EITHER [bLIND WHEN THEY CALL MUSIC HALAL (as Allah made it so they can not understand he's words, and the quran is for THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND! SUBHANAllah!) OR THEY KNOW IN THEIR HEARTS THAT IT IS WRONG, BUT THEY LOVE IT SO MUCH! THEY DO NOT WANT IT TO BE HARAM, SO THEY DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE IT OUT LIKE ITS OK... so which one is it?

Oh brother dzenan, do you feel 100 % sure that music is halal, or do you have even the slighest bit of doubt?

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So it is perfectly acceptable to do Haram in order to achieve a so called good?

So it is perfectly acceptable to sing along with music and mention the most beloved man to Allah, Muhammad :D in a song with instruments? A Prophet in which Allah made a man fall asleep in which he was singing to prevent our beloved Prophet :) from listening to the words of music when he passed him?

 

Music is strictly forbidden. Those who claim music is Halal can never provide any evidence whatsoever. They only argue using their own emotions and desires.

 

May the words of the Qur'an penetrate the hearts of Mankind.

The only words we should be listening to in harmony is the Holy Qur'an. The perfect book. The most pure book ever to find upon the face of this Earth.

 

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Subhana'Allah I have heard several of the music "nasheed" artists say that some of the Muslim scholars told them it was ok since their songs are about Islam and will benefit people :D

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Those who claim music is Halal can never provide any evidence whatsoever. They only argue using their own emotions and desires.

Bro Mumin, I respect you and your views very much since I've read many of your posts on this forum. But I have to say that you are insulting great scholars by your words here. You should be more careful.

 

I suppose those who are against music think that Allah (swt) forgot to mention it in Qur'an...
That's another insult. You're pretty much accusing them of shirk.

 

PEOPLE ARE EITHER [bLIND WHEN THEY CALL MUSIC HALAL (as Allah made it so they can not understand he's words, and the quran is for THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND! SUBHANAllah!) OR THEY KNOW IN THEIR HEARTS THAT IT IS WRONG, BUT THEY LOVE IT SO MUCH! THEY DO NOT WANT IT TO BE HARAM, SO THEY DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE IT OUT LIKE ITS OK... so which one is it?

Another insult.

 

The Prophet :D said:`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`

Now, what were Musical Instruments before they were (wrongfully) declared lawful?

This hadith is from Bukhari, the most authentic book of hadith that there is. What is there refutation to this?

I've heard the explanation of this hadith by those that think music is halaal. If you want to know what they said, search member "Moustafa" on this forum, and his topic on Music.

 

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What I don't get is why some people get so extreme over this issue, just like the beard issue. Noting that this thread is under the name of Sami Yusuf, have any of you ever listened to his nasheeds? He doesn't exactly have heavy bass on there - the music in his nasheeds is very light. Just like the musical background of Harun Yahya's documentaries.

 

To make the haraam halaal is forbidden, but so is making the halaal haraam. Since there isn't a consensus among the scholars, then give your brothers and sisters the benefit of the doubt that it may be allowed and they are following this ruling sincerely.

 

Afterall, in Islam we are obliged to give our brothers and sisters the benefit of the doubt (husn al-dhann) and refrain from su al-dhann (the evil of the doubt).

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The prophet :D NEVER forbad anything the Allah :D did not and he :D never allowed anything Allah :D did not!

 

You must never have read these verses:

 

"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): “If you (really) love Allâh then follow me (i.e. accept Islâmic Monotheism, follow the Qur’ªn and the Sunnah), Allâh will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.†Say (O Muhammad): “Obey Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad).†But if they turn away, then Allâh does not like the disbelievers." (Qur’an 3: 31)

"O mankind! Verily, there has come to you the Messenger (Muhammad) with the truth from your Rabb (Sustainer). So believe in him, it is better for you. But if you disbelieve, then certainly to Allâh belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. And Allâh is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise." (Qurân 4: 170)

"He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad) has indeed obeyed Allâh, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (Muhammad) as a watcher over them." (Qurân 4: 80)

 

PEOPLE ARE EITHER [bLIND WHEN THEY CALL MUSIC HALAL (as Allah made it so they can not understand he's words, and the quran is for THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND! SUBHANAllah!) OR THEY KNOW IN THEIR HEARTS THAT IT IS WRONG, BUT THEY LOVE IT SO MUCH! THEY DO NOT WANT IT TO BE HARAM, SO THEY DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE IT OUT LIKE ITS OK... so which one is it?

 

 

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No body is questioning whether we should follow the Prophet or not. I'm questioning the validity of the hadith which is citing what the Prophet supposedly sayed. The Prophet himself ordered them all burned for a reason

 

Oh brother dzenan, do you feel 100 % sure that music is halal, or do you have even the slighest bit of doubt?

 

Of course I have doubt, the whole issue is clouded with people disagreeing on what to do. In that case, you should make your own choice, and respect the ones that have chosen diferently. I've made mine based on Qur'an

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Sister Muslimah911, my comment was meant to be lighthearted and not insulting. I apologize if any bros and sisters got offended

 

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Bro Mumin, I respect you and your views very much since I've read many of your posts on this forum. But I have to say that you are insulting great scholars by your words here. You should be more careful.

Dear Sister. Please do not take offence when I say this, but no proper Scholar will turn around and support music.

 

I'm questioning the validity of the hadith which is citing what the Prophet supposedly sayed. The Prophet himself ordered them all burned for a reason

So dear Brother, do you then doubt the Hadith that teaches us to pray? Do you then doubt the Punishment of the Grave? The Hadith has a strong chain of narrations, therefore for you to doubt it, is to doubt the Companions and even the Prophet :D himself, and to doubt any of them is an act of kufr in itself.

 

What I don't get is why some people get so extreme over this issue, just like the beard issue. Noting that this thread is under the name of Sami Yusuf, have any of you ever listened to his nasheeds? He doesn't exactly have heavy bass on there - the music in his nasheeds is very light. Just like the musical background of Harun Yahya's documentaries.

My dear Sister, it is just like saying, "if I take a small sip of wine, it is perfectly fine since it will no way intoxicate me".

The fact of the matter is that Allah has prohibited musical instruments, just like He :D has prohibited wine and alcohol. To use one or two musical instruments in a song does not make it Halal. :D.

 

 

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:D Mu'min for your kind reply.

 

Let us agree to disagree on this issue of music. I'm not so much interested in whether it is permissible as much as I am interested to see how different Muslims approach the issue. The key thing, I would say, is to respect those that do hold a different opinion because they are following respected scholars just like yourselves.

Some of those that have pointed out the weakness of the argument stating that all musical instruments are forbidden are Ibn Hazm and Ash-Shawkani in the past, and Sheikh Al-Qaradawi and Al-Ghazali in the present.

 

Anyway, I will take leave now.

 

Btw, a kind request of mine is that you listen to the two nasheeds (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.mujahideenryder(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/radio/full.html"]"Allahu" and "Ya Mustafa" by Sami Yusuf[/url] and tell me what you think. Please do listen to all of them. I really want to know what you will say about them.

 

Salaam

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Consider this verse:

 

"Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless hadith, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution."

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Brother dzenan, where did you get this verse from? Kindly post the reference. JazakAllah khair.

 

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Brother dzenan, where did you get this verse from? Kindly post the reference. JazakAllah khair.

 

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It's Luqman (31-6)

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However, I definitely did not see girls dancing or behaving indecently in any of my concerts. To state otherwise is a gross exaggeration if not an outright fallacy. And if indeed that did take place then let’s deal with it in the true Prophetic tradition - a tradition that imparts love, mercy, tolerance and wisdom.

 

Asalaamu Alaikum

 

All the people I know who went to a Sammi Yusuf event were disgusted at the way sisters behaved, shouting and screaming etc astagfirallah, did Sammi Yusuf just not see any of this :D

 

Walaykum Salaam

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However, I definitely did not see girls dancing or behaving indecently in any of my concerts. To state otherwise is a gross exaggeration if not an outright fallacy. And if indeed that did take place then let’s deal with it in the true Prophetic tradition - a tradition that imparts love, mercy, tolerance and wisdom.

 

Asalaamu Alaikum

 

All the people I know who went to a Sammi Yusuf event were disgusted at the way sisters behaved, shouting and screaming etc astagfirallah, did Sammi Yusuf just not see any of this :D

 

Walaykum Salaam

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One girl that did was was telling me how all the sisters were singing along (including herself) and like swaying to it all :D

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One girl that did was was telling me how all the sisters were singing along (including herself) and like swaying to it all :D

Asalaamu Alaikum

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May Allah guide us all

Walaykum Salaam

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Asalaamu Alaikum

 

All the people I know who went to a Sammi Yusuf event were disgusted at the way sisters behaved, shouting and screaming etc astagfirallah, did Sammi Yusuf just not see any of this :D

 

Walaykum Salaam

 

This is what happens when we try to add something in Islam, right now they r doing this, wait for sometime, and you will see same things girls do in rock concerts in these so called Islamic concerts..

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Asalaam Alaikum,

 

Alhamdullilah, good peice by Sami Yousuf. It would be interesting to see what sister Yvonnes reply is to that?

 

Notice, how the word "ikthilaaf" was totally ignored by all posters and the music-non-music bashing brigade has begun.

 

Stop worshipping your nafs ("i am right you are wrong") otherwise declare yourself to be a Mujtahid Imam who is qualified to go into a subject so deep.

 

Naturally as soon as the arguments started, the main topic (the letter written) has been ignored aswell as all the issues of the letter.

 

There is so much difference of opionion amongst ALL classes of Muslims in relation to Music that you might aswell think of getting the Sun in your hand if you think you can get agreement on this.

 

For all those who think ALL music is banned per se. Remember the hadiths of the dhuff being used in Makkah on the conquest? Remember the hadith of the woman playing the tambourine when the Prophet Salalahu Alayhi Wasalaam arrived? to name two...

 

However clearly you cannot use the above to then justify MTV - half naked gyrating hip hop and pornographic Bollywood can you?

 

So leave it (and concentrate on matters you can change). My opinion (OPINION - not Islamic Law, but Opinion) is that most - 95% of Music is haram/banned but some exclusive types are allowed.

 

Allah knows best.

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Salaam Saladin_uk

 

Nice to see you on here. It seems that people of different forums think differently.

 

One thing that I would point out, to everyone here, is that if you look at the Muslim youth, they're into bhangra, bollywood and charts' music. This is the reality. For all those that criticise Sami Yusuf, just consider how many Muslims are turning away from charts' music to listen to his nasheeds in praise of Allah and our Rasool (saw). It is a simple fact that without nasheed artists like Sami Yusuf, there would be more Muslims with more unIslamic songs on their iPods.

 

His article is truly beautiful and a must-read.

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It's Luqman (31-6)

:D dear Brother,

That verse has been mis-translated. The verse does mention 'hadith', but not refering to the concept of the Hadith that we understand it today - ie. as a source of legislation. As Sheikh Riyadul Haq mentioned in one lecture, the word hadith as we understand it now is never mentioned in the Qur'an in the same manner, but in different meanings.

 

For example, in surah Al-Ghashiyah, the verse says,

"Hal ataka hadeethu alghashiyah", which translates to:

 

"Has the story reached thee of the overwhelming (Event)?

 

Such verses are refering to stories/news etc when saying 'hadith'. Similar is the case for the verse in Surah Luqman that you had posted:

 

"But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty." (Surah 31- Ayah 6)

 

Hopefully that cleared it a bit, :D.

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That verse has been mis-translated. The verse does mention 'hadith', but not refering to the concept of the Hadith that we understand it today - ie. as a source of legislation. As Sheikh Riyadul Haq mentioned in one lecture, the word hadith as we understand it now is never mentioned in the Qur'an in the same manner, but in different meanings.

 

For example, in surah Al-Ghashiyah, the verse says,

"Hal ataka hadeethu alghashiyah", which translates to:

 

"Has the story reached thee of the overwhelming (Event)?

 

Such verses are refering to stories/news etc when saying 'hadith'. Similar is the case for the verse in Surah Luqman that you had posted:

 

"But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty." (Surah 31- Ayah 6)

 

Hopefully that cleared it a bit, :D.

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Thanks for that. There are different versions of the above verse depending on who the translator is

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There are different versions of the above verse depending on who the translator is

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Yes, that is true; but in none of the translations it has been translated to refer to 'ahadith' as in the sayings/deeds/approval of the Prophet (peace be upon him).

 

:D you could check out three different translations (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/031.qmt.html"]here[/url].

 

If someone translates the verse to critisize the ahadith of the Prophet (peace be upon him), then it would be a mis-translation.

 

And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

 

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I think the solution to the propbelm is that Sami should not use instruments in his nasheeds as that is what makes it wrong .

 

Percussions and voices will be more than enough with him and his groups vocal capablities .

 

so simple :D .

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I think the solution to the propbelm is that Sami should not use instruments in his nasheeds as that is what makes it wrong .

 

Percussions and voices will be more than enough with him and his groups vocal capablities .

 

so simple :D .

 

 

Asalaamu alaykum..

with all due respect i think the solution to the problem is far deeper than sami yusuf putting a stop to the instruments.. there are a lot of other nasheed artists.. and their beliefs are the same as everybody elses however their are certain differences.. i think the solution is more about the understanding of different ideas and of intention

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will all due respect please continue issues of music in the controversial section.

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I think the issue here isn't that Sami Yusuf uses Music.

Have you ever been to a concert by Zain Bhikha? He (most likely) doesn't use any musical instruments in his concert, yet girls still whistle, scream, jump up an down. So now what?

 

Even if Sami Yusuf didn't use any instruments, the girls' behaviour wouldn't change. I think the concert attendees should be made aware of the importance of hayaa, rather than blaming it all on the signers.

 

And Allah knows best.

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When we start imitating the kuffar and come up with 'Islamic' concerts, screaming hijaabi sisters are to be expected...

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Assalamu Alaikum, Most of the these Singers start with just Words and tune, then as they start getting attention, the mouth percursions, then real instruments and then the THE REAL INSTRUMENTS start getting introduced.

 

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I think the issue here isn't that Sami Yusuf uses Music.

Have you ever been to a concert by Zain Bhikha? He (most likely) doesn't use any musical instruments in his concert, yet girls still whistle, scream, jump up an down. So now what?

 

Even if Sami Yusuf didn't use any instruments, the girls' behaviour wouldn't change. I think the concert attendees should be made aware of the importance of hayaa, rather than blaming it all on the signers.

 

And Allah knows best.

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SO TRUE, You are so right anonymous, Like I said before, Islamic Comedy-------------Islamic Concerts----------------what next, Is this the way Deen was spread at the time of our beloved Prophet Sallallahu alaihi Wa Sallam.

 

Assalamu alaikum, umAhmad.

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Like I said before, Islamic Comedy-------------Islamic Concerts----------------what next

Islamic forums, Islamic web sites, Islamic channels, Islamic videos, Islamic ringtones... :D

anything Islamic = good by definition, othewise it wouldn't be Islamic...

 

Is this the way Deen was spread at the time of our beloved Prophet Sallallahu alaihi Wa Sallam.

No but that doesn't make the above haraam, otherwise Gawaher(contact admin if its a beneficial link) would close down

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