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Insurgents offer to end attacks for ’08 U.S. exit

Militants set conditions as prime minister offers reconciliation talks

NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE

Updated: 30 minutes ago

 

 

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Eleven Sunni insurgent groups have offered an immediate halt to all attacks — including those on American troops — if the United States agrees to withdraw foreign forces from Iraq in two years, insurgent and government officials told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

 

Withdrawal is the centerpiece of a set of demands from the groups, which operate north of Baghdad in the heavily Sunni Arab provinces of Salahuddin and Diyala. Although much of the fighting has been to the west, those provinces are increasingly violent and attacks there have crippled oil and commerce routes.

 

The groups who’ve made contact have largely shunned attacks on Iraqi civilians, focusing instead on the U.S.-led coalition forces. Their offer coincides with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s decision to reach out to the Sunni insurgency with a reconciliation plan that includes an amnesty for fighters.

 

The Islamic Army in Iraq, Muhammad Army and the Mujahedeen Shura Council — the umbrella group that covers eight militant groups including al-Qaida in Iraq — were not party to any offers to the government.

 

Naseer al-Ani, a Sunni Arab politician and official with the largest Sunni political group, the Iraqi Islamic Party, said that al-Maliki should encourage the process by guaranteeing security for those making the offer and not immediately reject their demands.

 

“The government should prove its goodwill and not establish red lines,†al-Ani said. “If the initiative is implemented in a good way, 70 percent of the insurgent groups will respond positively.â€

 

Al-Maliki, in televised remarks Wednesday, did not issue an outright rejection of the timetable demand. But he said it was unrealistic, because he could not be certain when the Iraqi army and police would be strong enough to make a foreign presence unnecessary for Iraq’s security.

 

No timetable, Washington insists

 

In Washington, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that President Bush’s “view has been and remains that a timetable is not something that is useful. It is a signal to the enemies that all you have to do is just wait and it’s yours.

 

“The goal is not to trade something off for something else to make somebody happy, the goal is to succeed,†he said.

 

Bush has said U.S. troops will remain in Iraq for years to guarantee the success of the new Iraqi government. However, American military officials have said substantial reductions of the current force of 127,000 U.S. troops could be made before the end of 2007.

 

Eight of the 11 insurgent groups banded together to approach al-Maliki’s government under The 1920 Revolution Brigade, which has claimed credit for killing U.S. troops in the past. All 11, working through intermediaries, have issued identical demands, according to insurgent spokesmen and government officials.

 

 

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information and for fear of retribution.

 

The total number of insurgents is not known, nor how many men belong to each group. But there are believed to be about two dozen insurgent organizations in Iraq, so the 11 contacting the government could represent a substantial part of the Sunni-led insurgency.

 

Al-Maliki’s offer of amnesty for insurgents would not absolve those who have killed Iraqis or American coalition troops. But proving which individuals have carried out fatal attacks would, in many — if not most — cases, be a difficult task.

 

The issue is extremely sensitive in the United States, which has lost more than 2,500 uniformed men and women in Iraq, many to the insurgents’ bombs and ambushes.

 

Talks extend into Saudi Arabia

Coinciding with al-Maliki’s attempts to bring Sunni Arabs to the bargaining table, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad held talks Tuesday in Saudi Arabia with King Abdullah. The Saudis have influence with many Sunni insurgents in Iraq.

 

Al-Maliki also set up an e-mail account to communicate with insurgents, flashing the address on the screen during a broadcast Sunday night.

 

For al-Maliki, reaching out to the Sunnis risks heightening tensions in his ruling coalition of mostly Shiite Muslim political groups. Al-Maliki is said to be increasingly disenchanted with the close ties between the country’s most powerful Shiite organization and Iran, which is ruled by a Shiite theocracy.

 

Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, a Shiite group with historic ties to the Iranians, favors close relations with Iran. Many of Iraq’s most powerful Shiite politicians and religious figures spent years in Iranian exile during Saddam Hussein’s regime.

 

In addition to the withdrawal timetable, the Iraqi insurgents have demanded:

 

An end to U.S. and Iraqi military operations against insurgent forces.

Compensation for Iraqis killed by U.S. and government forces and reimbursement for property damage.

An end to the ban on army officers from Saddam’s regime in the Iraqi military.

An end to the government ban on former members of the Baath Party — which ruled the country under Saddam.

The release of insurgent detainees.

The 1920 Revolution Brigades, the umbrella for seven other groups, was established in the so-called Sunni Triangle north and west of Baghdad shortly after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. Its name refers to Iraq’s historical fight against British colonialism.

 

The group has claimed responsibility for attacking American troops, including the downing of two helicopters in 2004.

 

“If they set a two-year timetable for the withdrawal we will stop all our operations immediately,†said the leader in a telephone interview with the AP. The man, who refused to give his name for security reasons, spoke from the telephone of one of the mediators. Others present made similar remarks.

 

Besides the 1920 Revolution Brigades, the eight include Abtal al-Iraq (Heroes of Iraq), the 9th of April Group, al-Fateh Brigades, al-Mukhtar Brigades, Salahuddin Brigades, Mujahedeen Army and the Brigades of the General Command of the Armed Forces. The three other groups are small organizations that also mainly operate in areas north of Baghdad.

 

© 2006 The Associated Press.

 

 

 

 

 

Willing to negotiate with 'The Great Satan' ? Holy cow !!.

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:D/Peace To All

 

It's good that the Iraqi Resistance is showing the occupation troops mercy by giving them a way out of Iraq. I hope the occupation has enough sense to accept this timely offer and set the '08 exit date.

 

But, I really don't think the occupation is that smart. They'll pass this up as they did numerous opportunities, before...

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I don't think we'll fall for thier 'give us some time to rest, we're tired' request. I suspect the U.S. will just go back to kicking 'mujjie' a**.

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I don't think we'll fall for thier 'give us some time to rest, we're tired' request. I suspect the U.S. will just go back to kicking 'mujjie' a**.

 

LOL...if this is what you call 'kicking mujjie a**' I wonder what you think defeat looks like?

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A nation of over 25 million people is taken over and occupied by another nation for 3 years with a total loss of less than three thousand troops the entire time. Whether you agree with the occupation or not to believe that the operation is not a military success would be incorrect.

 

The insurgents are a political liability but not much of a military one.

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kicking 'mujjie' a**.

What did I tell you about using that term?

 

Get your act together, or you're gonna lose your posting privileges!

 

And if you try to come back with another ID, you'll be banned permanently!!!

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A nation of over 25 million people is taken over and occupied by another nation for 3 years with a total loss of less than three thousand troops the entire time. Whether you agree with the occupation or not to believe that the operation is not a military success would be incorrect.

 

The insurgents are a political liability but not much of a military one.

 

Have to agree with you here. The casualty toll for the US has been a very small price to pay for the scale of the project. In pure military terms one cannot justifiably call it a failure. As you correctly point out, the true problem is political etc and it is there that America is being defeated.

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What did I tell you about using that term?Get your act together, or you're gonna lose your posting privileges!And if you try to come back with another ID, you'll be banned permanently!!!

 

 

 

 

It is only a contraction for mujihadeen (sp). Like Yanks for Yankees. That's all. But if you're gonna wig-out, I'll stop using it. How about I use 'mindless killers of thier own people' instead ? Nah, too long. I'll get back to you on my new name for them guys. Wait, that's it ! 'Them Guys'. Nice.

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A nation of over 25 million people is taken over and occupied by another nation for 3 years with a total loss of less than three thousand troops the entire time. Whether you agree with the occupation or not to believe that the operation is not a military success would be incorrect.

 

The insurgents are a political liability but not much of a military one.

 

Stay on long enough and it will become another Vietnam. Then we can talk about military success or failure.

 

Even the best-trained and most well-equipped army in the world can lose its mind and will to fight a practically unseen enemy. Don't they wonder what happened to Saddam's million man army?

 

As civilian casualties among the Iraqis mount their will to resist will tend to solidify, and as casualities slowly but surely creep up among the US troops, apart from various other psychological problems which they will face in fighting an unjust war for unsupportable "reasons", their ability to carry on fighting will also be sapped.

 

If they want to continue to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of Halliburton & Gang and the like thereof, it is up to them...

 

They are the ones who should show some sense and really get out while they still can.

 

yusufar

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It is only a contraction for mujihadeen (sp). Like Yanks for Yankees. That's all. But if you're gonna wig-out, I'll stop using it. How about I use 'mindless killers of thier own people' instead ? Nah, too long. I'll get back to you on my new name for them guys. Wait, that's it ! 'Them Guys'. Nice.

 

Perhaps you may like to take your own guys' - I'll call them "Yarn Guys" - own observations regarding the use of certain terms in Islam and Arabic, via (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.gawaher(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/index.php?showtopic=30882"]this thread[/url] here. You wouldn't want to promote enemy ideology now would you?

 

yusufar

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