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The government cannot alone root out extremism in Muslim communities and defeat the terrorism it creates, Prime Minister Tony Blair has said.

He hit back at claims ministers had done little to win Muslim "hearts and minds" since the 7 July London bombs.

 

He said he was "probably not the person to go into the Muslim community".

 

It was down to moderate Muslims to stand up to extremism and tell those with "grievances" against the West they were wrong, Mr Blair told MPs.

 

'Despondency'

 

He was speaking after Muslim Labour MP Sadiq Khan said he was disappointed with the government's engagement with the Muslim community in the year since the London bombings.

 

We can't defeat this extremism through whatever a government does

 

Tony Blair

 

 

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He said there was an air of despondency over the achievements of the special taskforce set up by the government after the bombings.

 

But Mr Blair, appearing before the Commons liaison committee of senior MPs, said he disagreed that ministers were not trying to work with the Muslim community.

 

Mr Blair told MPs: "If we want to defeat the extremism, we have got to defeat its ideas and we have got to address the completely false sense of grievance against the West.

 

"In the end, government itself cannot go and root out the extremism in these communities.

 

"I am probably not the person to go into the Muslim community ... It's better that we mobilise the Islamic community itself to do this.

 

"I know everyone always wants to blame the government for everything that is happening .... but we can't defeat this extremism through whatever a government does.

 

"We can only defeat it if we have people in the community who are going to stand up and not merely say 'you are wrong to kill people through terrorism... you're wrong in your view of the West, the whole sense of grievance, the ideology is wrong, is profoundly wrong'."

 

'No inquiry'

 

He said there was a "clear and active" threat of further attacks but stressed the "overwhelming majority of Muslims utterly abhor this extremism and are completely on the same side as everybody else in wanting to defeat it".

 

However, Mohammed Shafiq, of the Ramadhan Foundation, a Manchester-based group that works with young people in a bid to tackle extremism and terrorism, accused Mr Blair of failing to engage with ordinary young Muslims.

 

And Inayat Bunglawala, spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, said many Muslims believed the UK's involvement in wars against Afghanistan and Iraq were a "key contributory factor in the radicalisation" of some young Muslims.

 

"That said, it is true that extremists often paint a very unfair picture of the West. We all benefit from freedoms and opportunities here that are not exactly plentiful in many Muslim countries," he added.

 

A Populus poll for The Times newspaper and ITV news suggests 13% of UK Muslims believe the 7/7 bombers should be regarded as martyrs, with the other 87% disagreeing.

 

The prime minister said he would not hold a public inquiry into the 7 July attacks, saying it would divert a "vast amount of resources into something that we already know, which is those four people did this".

 

'Untrue' claims

 

He said he understood the concerns of victims and the families of those who read various "conspiracy" theories surrounding that day's events.

 

But he said newspaper reports, such as claims there was a tracking device planted in the attackers' car or that there was a CIA block on bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan going into America were all untrue.

 

Seven Muslim working groups were set up by the government and they reported in November.

 

However, in a speech to the Fabian Society, Mr Khan said only three of the recommendations made by seven Muslim working groups set up by the government after the bombings had been implemented.

 

He said Mr Blair had behaved like the "grand old Duke of York" - "marching all these talented British Muslims up the hill of consultation and dialogue, only to march them down again".

 

And some Muslims - already "some of the most disillusioned and...disenfranchised members of our community" - would feel yet more alienated.

 

A Home Office spokesman said much had been accomplished since the Preventing Extremism Together (PET) Working Group members had made their final report.

 

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Earlier this morning Tony Blair took a flogging from a committee of senior MPs(read the details (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4459236.stm"]here[/url] - they really gave it to him). It would have made the headlines for tonight's news and tomorrow's papers.

 

Tony is really unpopular at the moment, especially within his own party. He cannot afford another week of humiliation, so he whipped up a frenzy with his favourite scapegoat... Muslims!

 

 

The most controversial result of the poll, were the 13% who said the London bombers were martyrs.

= 148 people of the 1,131 questioned (the full poll should be viewed, (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.populuslimited(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/poll_summaries/2006_07_04_Times_ITV.htm"]here[/url]). One senior police officer used the poll to accuse 400,000 British Muslims of being extremists!

 

148 people do not represent 1,600,000 Muslims! Unless you're reading a tabloid or Tony's propoganda.

 

"We can only defeat it if we have people in the community who are going to stand up and not merely say 'you are wrong to kill people through terrorism... you're wrong in your view of the West, the whole sense of grievance, the ideology is wrong, is profoundly wrong'."

 

One year on, he's still blaming the "Muslims" for failing to tackle extremists.

But (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5142762.stm"]yesterday[/url], representatives from 7 groups established to "combat extremism" blamed the government for failing to engage with them.

 

Ministers are facing criticism over the response to the 7 July bombings from one of their most prominent Muslim MPs. In the week of the first anniversary of the attacks, Sadiq Khan says he is disappointed with efforts to engage with the Muslim community.

 

Seven Muslim working groups were set up by the government and they reported in November. But Mr Khan told a Fabian Society conference that only three(of 64) of their recommendations had been implemented.

 

In his speech he said: "What has happened to all the good ideas? Why hasn't an action plan been drawn up with timelines?

 

 

Despite the lack of information on the 7/7 bombings, Tony is still refusing to allow an independant inquiry because it would be a "waste" of money.

 

THE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
  • Where are the keys to the hire car the bombers left at Luton station?
  • Why were unexploded materials left in that car and in the bomb factory in Leeds?
  • Was there meant to be a fifth bomber?
  • Who was the woman seen by neighbours leaving the bomb factory in the early hours of July 7?
  • Did the group get instruction on mixing the explosives, and if so where and when?
  • Were the explosives made entirely from household products or did they include military materials?
  • Why did the men buy return train tickets if they were intending to die?
  • Why did Hasib Hussain, the youngest of the bombers, not accompany the other three on their reconnaissance trip to London?
  • Was any weapon found in Jermaine Lindsay’s car?
  • Have police traced the identity of all the men who went on a whitewater-rafting trip with Shehzad Tanweer and Mohammad Sidique Khan, including the visitor from Pakistan?
  • Where is the rest of the video of Khan’s will and final message? How did al-Qaeda obtain this material? And why didn’t the three others leave a message?
  • What have foreign intelligence services told the UK authorities of their information of the four?
  • What did the French Interior Minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, mean when he told journalists that “part of this team” had been subject to “partial arrest” in the spring of 2004?

 

Who cares about (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2254680,00.html"]national security[/url]? The government must save its pennies.

 

 

 

Tony's latest outburst is one of his most pathetic, but the tabloids will lap it up regardless - any excuse to print images of "400,000 extremists" on tomorrow's front pages.

Edited by Midnight

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:D Brother midnight

 

A very good answer, and a very accurate critique of Mr Blair and his motives and methods.

 

 

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The UK must root out Bliar and the US Bush... they have the audacity to ask Muslims to root out extremism when they themselves are extremists and all their actions have been calculated to negate any efforts of Muslims to do so.

 

How would it be possible for Muslims to root out extremism when non-Muslims occupy Muslim lands and interfere in Muslim countries and commit massacres on Muslims as they please?

 

yusufar

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:D/Peace,

 

It would be great to root out "extremism." (As long as we have the correct definition of extremism.) But I'd like Blair and Co. to present pragmatic ideas to do so...the only idea I've seen (and I may have missed something) was his suggestion to mobilize the Muslim community. How will this come about? Is it practical? Will it result in solutions?

 

And maybe like Br. Yusufar said, before thinking about this, he should think of ideas to take care of the other "extremism" (terrorism on America's part.) I know people don't call it terrorism, they think this is going too far, but in the eyes of many, America is guilty as charged...and maybe the first thing to do is to "root out" terrorism coming from here.

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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem

 

If you let Blair define "extremism" he would give you a perfect definition of Islam...

 

When he says "Muslims should root out extremism" what he actually means is "Muslims should root out Islam".

 

This is their tactic. First they set up their own terrorist attack.

Then they accuse "Muslim extremists" (religious Muslims) for the attacks.

Then they say they must arrest and "root out" "extremists" to prevent the attacks from happening again...

Then they define just about everything as "extremism". They already refer to Muslim women who wear Hijab as "extremists" in the UK, so what are they going to root out...I wonder....

 

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"This is their tactic. First they set up their own terrorist attack."

 

I think we can add paranoia and conspiracy theorys to what must be rooted out.

 

How many ppl actually believe that the US flew planes into there own buildings, or that the UK blew up its own undergound trains and a bus, just so that they could blame muslims?

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Salaam

 

It was down to moderate Muslims to stand up to extremism and tell those with "grievances" against the West they were wrong, Mr Blair told MPs.

 

This "MODERATE" muslim thing is really becoming annoying. Its amazing how a single man is able to portray an array of varieties of muslims. How does this man possibly expect to make friends within the muslim community or with muslims worldwide for that matter, when he spurts rubbish like this.

 

This really shows how ignorant Blair is of the pain and death his own government alongside the US have caused and are still causing muslims worldwide. To say that muslims have misconceptions about the western governments is the most ridiculous and coniving thing i have ever heard him say. I'm pretty certain he already knows what the western governments have on paper for the muslims but he just needs a ploy... or maybe an excuse to keep shifting the blame.

 

I for one wont't be speaking against muslims as i don't see why i should. If Blair wants to make an issue of it for his own ends then he is gravely mistaken that muslims anywhere would undergo a recruitment excercise to feed him info. It's just crazy to think that he could say muslims should do more... I think muslims have done enough for the western governments as it is. The corrupt leaders of muslim nations have no shame in following the political whims and agendas of their counterpart western governments.

 

It's not a misconception and the sooner the western powers come to realise this the easier it would be for them and muslims alike to stop the REAL terrorism taking place today.

 

How many ppl actually believe that the US flew planes into there own buildings, or that the UK blew up its own undergound trains and a bus, just so that they could blame muslims?

 

I won't comment here suffice to say that all i see here is cause and effect. I find it baffling that some people have difficulty understanding how much suffering has been caused to a certain group of people by a certain group of people. whether the retaliation for this was right or wrong it's not difficult at all to see the causation of the retaliation.

 

Wassalam

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Muslims attack trains and a bus full of innocent commuters, yet the government is accused of failing to win muslim hearts and minds....MUSLIM hearts and minds!!

WHAT!!!????

 

FORGET MUSLIM HEARTS AND MINDS!!

 

Muslims should not need to be asked to root out extremism, they should not require government focus groups to encourage them to help secure their country.

If they do not see this as their duty, they do not belong.

End of story.

 

If they are not part of the solution, then they are part of the problem. Treat them all with equal suspicion and mistrust and we will root out the extremists ourselves, by any means necessary.

We can not rely on muslims to help, they only help eachother.

A shepard wouldn't ask a pack of wolves to give up the sheep-killer, he would buy more ammo.

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You dont get it do you

There have never been any "terror attacks" in the UK by Muslims in history except the 7th July and 21st July bombings which were never proven to be have been done by Muslims. Now supposing that they were, that would mean out of the millions of Muslims living in the UK, a handful of them "carried out attacks" after over a 100,000 Iraqis were killed by Bush and Blair.

Now supposing that its ok to kill 100,000 Iraqis but wrong to kill 50 British, we must remember the alleged "terrorists" were very few, but what the Government is asking for is the "rooting out" of all "extremists". And when the Government defines "extremism" they make it seem as if all religious Muslims are extremists. In other words, what they call an "extremist" is actually someone who practices Islam.

 

Let's ask Blair, Who is not an extremist? and see what answer he has to give.

Seems like according to him, the only "non-extremists" or "modernists" are those who support him.

 

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You dont get it do you

 

I get it regularly.

 

 

There have never been any "terror attacks" in the UK by Muslims in history except the 7th July and 21st July bombings which were never proven to be have been done by Muslims. Now supposing that they were, that would mean out of the millions of Muslims living in the UK, a handful of them "carried out attacks" after over a 100,000 Iraqis were killed by Bush and Blair.

 

The first video confession of siddique khan was more than enough proof for me, the second video is just getting boring.

The governments first priority is the safety of it's people. The threat comes from muslim extremists, therefore it is muslim extremists that should be tackled. Whether that be a handful or thousands, the government has an obligation to neutralise this threat. I don't care about the motivation these dogs may have had to kill innocent people, i just want them stopped.

I think it's ridiculous to ask muslims to help in this campaign, because they obviously cannot be trusted. It's just PR work, trying to put a united front on british society, and trying to give the impression the the muslim community is anything but a fifth column.

Nobody is going to buy that. We all know where we stand.

 

 

 

Now supposing that its ok to kill 100,000 Iraqis but wrong to kill 50 British, we must remember the alleged "terrorists" were very few, but what the Government is asking for is the "rooting out" of all "extremists". And when the Government defines "extremism" they make it seem as if all religious Muslims are extremists. In other words, what they call an "extremist" is actually someone who practices Islam.

 

Let's ask Blair, Who is not an extremist? and see what answer he has to give.

Seems like according to him, the only "non-extremists" or "modernists" are those who support him.

 

Where did you get your official government definition of "extremist"? Do you have a link, or is it just assumption?

Don't worry too much about having to root out your own extremists, nobody actually expects that from you, although it would be nice to show a little effort.

Just don't and moan when the extremists are uprooted forcibly from your communities, and treated like the animals they are.

 

Peace unto those who follow the Guidance

 

...and what about those who don't?

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One would think that the "Crusaders" that arrived after 911 would at least start a few folks thinking that controlling the extremist might not be such a bad idea.

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