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From turkish press, but pretty much in every paper and new org..

 

...""""Islamist gunmen in Somalia killed two people protesting a ban on watching the World Cup, underscoring mounting radicalism as talks on the possible deployment of foreign peacekeepers began.

 

Witnesses said the pair were shot and killed late Tuesday when soccer fans barred by Islamists from watching the semi-final match between Germany and Italy complained at the prohibition in the central Galgadud region.

 

Militia loyal to Somalia's increasingly powerful Sharia courts fired first into the air to break up the crowd watching the game on satellite television at the cinema, sparking protests from viewers, they said.

 

"They closed the hall and forced viewers to go home but this angered everybody and prompted a demonstration," one witness told AFP.

 

Witnesses said the gunmen then opened fire on the crowd to quell the protest in Galgadud's Dhusomareb district, killing the cinema owner and a young girl.

 

"They said they will not allow any cinema to operate," said one.

 

Islamists who seized Mogadishu and several provincial towns last month from US-backed warlords have begun enforcing strict Sharia law in parts of areas under their control, including bans on cinemas and television.

 

World Cup broadcasts, in particular, have drawn their ire with clerics arguing that some elements, notably advertisements for alcoholic beverages, are evil.

 

At least two people were killed in the capital last month during a protest similar to the one in Galgadud, where the Islamists' hardline supreme leader, Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, is now setting up new Sharia courts."""....

 

 

Wow.

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Sorry..should have added this in...

 

When you pick and choose what people can read, wear, say or do...thats called brain washing. Removing free will and freedom of choice is insane.

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this did happen but the courts were not behind it and in fact the ppl who comitted this are being punished.do not believe everything you hear.

somalia is also under no danger of being talibanized are culture is not like that it is not our way and if things do get drastic we as the somali ppl will deal with it.

somalia is said to have more untapped oil than even saudi arabia and that is why the u.s is taking such an interest in our nation

i honest to god do not care what u ppl in the west think of the courts

majority rules and if yall are a democracy u would accept that the majority of somalis are happy so dont feel sorry for us

we are in stable condition for the first time in 16yrs and even during anarchy these courts were the ones building schools and hospitals while the warlords america was funding were the ones raping and killing and us being without a goverment for this long while they were in power is proof to that

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now they are saying that there are foreigners in somalia when these ppl look like regular somalis using a night vision camera

give it a rest

the courts are not the best they are only human but they are far better than the warlords

salaam

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Yes, it was the fighters of the Islamic courts Union who have killed those 2. In case you didnt know, the courts banned the world cup officially in somalia, and when people wouldnt stop watching it , some trigger-happy troops opened fire. 2 people were murdered.

 

The hard-line Muslim fighters, who have banned watching television, opened fire after a crowd of teenagers defied their orders to leave a hall where a businessman was showing Tuesday's Germany-Italy match on satellite television, according to Shabelle Radio, an independent local station. It said the businessman and a teenage girl were killed.

 

Hard-line Muslim fighters, who wrested control of the Somali capital from warlords in June, have forbidden people from watching television or movies in line with their strict interpretation of Islam.

 

source: BBC

 

The cinema owner and a young girl were reportedly killed by militia loyal to the Union of Islamic Courts, who seized control of parts of Somalia last month.

 

The courts have introduced Sharia law, including in some areas a World Cup broadcast ban.

According to reports on a Somali news network, gunmen arrived to close down the cinema in the town of Dhuusa Marreeb in central Galgadud district, where a crowd had gathered to watch the Germany-Italy World Cup semi-final.

 

Some of the football fans began to protest and according to reports, the gunmen fired in the air in an attempt to disperse them.

 

When this failed, shots were fired at the demonstrators and two people were killed.

 

The introduction of Islamic law, or Sharia, has included in some areas a ban on cinemas and on broadcasts of World Cup games because they have carried advertisements for alcohol.

 

It was the Islamic Courts Union who murdered those innocent people.

 

Peace

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arawelo16, now that everything seems to be hunky-dorey in Somalia, and the new Islamic courts have brought about much needed peace to your land, can we now expect the somalis that infest britain to now return?

This includes the "students".

 

We don't have sharia law here. We are apprently an evil depraved society, full of all sorts of nasty stuff ...i.e ..alcohol, pornography, bacon sarnies and even the dreaded cinemas!!

Why on earth would these somalis want to live in such an environment, when their own country is now run according to their beloved Islamic traditions?

 

Can we expect a mass exodus of somalis from our inner-cities?

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July 6, 2006.

 

The Somali gunmen who shot dead two people watching a World Cup match have been arrested and will face Islamic justice, an Islamist leader has said.

 

Hardliner Sheikh Dahir Aweys says the killing of a cinema owner and a young girl was an accident. The gunmen could face the death penalty.

 

Mr Aweys told the radio station HornAfrik that he had been talking to elders in the area - his home region - and it was agreed that those responsible for killing the football fans would be dealt with by Sharia.

 

The Islamic courts have introduced Sharia in areas under their authority. In some places, this has included a ban on cinemas and on broadcasts of World Cup games because they have carried advertisements for alcohol.

 

The Islamic Courts are showing themselves to be more responsible than "Western Democracies".

 

How many of you, who now apprently care about Somali lives, condemned the US for murdering hundreds of Somali civilians and for funding warlords who oppressed thousands more?

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arawelo16, now that everything seems to be hunky-dorey in Somalia, and the new Islamic courts have brought about much needed peace to your land, can we now expect the somalis that infest britain to now return?

This includes the "students".

 

We don't have sharia law here. We are apprently an evil depraved society, full of all sorts of nasty stuff ...i.e ..alcohol, pornography, bacon sarnies and even the dreaded cinemas!!

Why on earth would these somalis want to live in such an environment, when their own country is now run according to their beloved Islamic traditions?

 

Can we expect a mass exodus of somalis from our inner-cities?

it is not perfect and if the somalis in britain do not want to go home they dont have this genertion of somalis are pretty much brtish to me.

deport them i dont care if u can i'm serious

AND THE IslamIC COURTS WERE NOT THE ONES WHO DID THIS IT WAS 2 OVER ZEALOUS MEMBERS OF THE IslamIC COURTS THAT DID AND THEY ARE BEING DEALT WITH

LEAVE SOMALIA TO SOMALIS if the ppl in somalia are happy what goes on there is none of your bussiness

salaam

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it is not perfect and if the somalis in britain do not want to go home they dont have this genertion of somalis are pretty much brtish to me.

deport them i dont care if u can i'm serious

AND THE IslamIC COURTS WERE NOT THE ONES WHO DID THIS IT WAS 2 OVER ZEALOUS MEMBERS OF THE IslamIC COURTS THAT DID AND THEY ARE BEING DEALT WITH

LEAVE SOMALIA TO SOMALIS if the ppl in somalia are happy what goes on there is none of your bussiness

salaam

 

 

Your right, somalis killing somalis is none of my business, and frankly i couldn't care less. However when somalis come to my country and claim refuge from their Islamic paradise, and expect to be fed, housed, educated and given the means to raise little somalis, then it is my business.

If the somalis are now as happy as you say, will we see an end to somalis trawling around our immigration offices?

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Peace Truth Onion,

 

Somali immigration has had a positive effect on Britain. For instance, traditional English pubs are closing down in the areas Somalis move in to. Some are even converted into Masjids.

 

I hope to see more of their influence on British culture and politics, to counter fascist BNP supporters like yourself.

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Peace Truth Onion,

 

Somali immigration has had a positive effect on Britain. For instance, traditional English pubs are closing down in the areas Somalis move in to. Some are even converted into Masjids.

 

I hope to see more of their influence on British culture and politics, to counter fascist BNP supporters like yourself.

 

This sounds more like taking over not intregating.

 

And as a brit i dont see any positive effect of pubs being changed in to Masjids, more like an attack on our culture and traditions.

 

In fact am i even allowed to say that this intolerance of our culture and tradition is offensive, or is it only muslims that are allowed to be offended?

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arawelo16, now that everything seems to be hunky-dorey in Somalia, and the new Islamic courts have brought about much needed peace to your land,

Actually, there is a much better condition in the half of Somalia that is under the ICU's leadership. No more warlords, or battles, Just to cite a couple of improvements.

can we now expect the somalis that infest britain to now return?

That's the only term you could come up with? That's a very racist attitude!

Can we expect a mass exodus of somalis from our inner-cities?

That's not up to you to decide, or other residents of any nation, Islamic or not.

 

You mean to tell me that devout Christians or Jews don't voice their displeasure (and some violently) at the alcoholism, drugs, pornography, abortion, etc within their own nations?

 

Sure they do, but no one tells them to leave if they don't like it. This scorn and racist behavior is only reserved for Muslims.

 

Everyone can speak out about anything, But Muslims.

 

Everyone's needs and views can be accommodated, and is called guaranteeing their rights & freedom of speech. But, when it comes to Muslims, it's called appeasment.

 

This racist and intolerant outlook is one of the reasons there is such a huge divide between people, and not Just between Muslims & the West, but between anyone from the Thrid World & the West :D

 

Personaly, I don't see anything wrong with watching the World Cup. And, I also read that the Islamic Courts Union, has sentenced those individuals to death.

 

An eye for an eye! Now, that's Justice...

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Peace Truth Onion,

 

Somali immigration has had a positive effect on Britain. For instance, traditional English pubs are closing down in the areas Somalis move in to.

 

Well I would not call closing down pubs a positive effect. I like a good glass of beer myself, and honestly - pubs are a part of the British culture - why would you want to change that?

 

Doesn’t a small part of immigrating to another country include acceptance of the culture of the country you move to?

Should I demand that the royal family of Saudi Arabia became Christian if I moved to Saudi Arabia?

That is if I was a Christian...

 

 

Regards

 

Bowman

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Your right, somalis killing somalis is none of my business, and frankly i couldn't care less. However when somalis come to my country and claim refuge from their Islamic paradise, and expect to be fed, housed, educated and given the means to raise little somalis, then it is my business.

If the somalis are now as happy as you say, will we see an end to somalis trawling around our immigration offices?

hopefully

and only the first part was directed to u ,not caring about ppl killing ppl just shows your character but to each his own

anywayz when i graduate i plan on going back home and changing the condition of my ppls all muslims and africans

and like i said before it is stable but u cant expect it to be perfect in a couple of months

please do tell that to somalis in britain matter of fact tell that to all immigrants living there including ur fellow europeans who have seeked asylum there

nowhere did i say it was paradise and britain is scum dont put words in my mouth

i'm pretty sure all the ppl who have come to britain for a better life are thankful

i am thankful i was raised out in canada and have access to free education

to me most Islamic nations today are 10 times worse than the west

again do not put words in my mouth

i just dont like ppl trying to force their way of life on ppl in their own countries who are already happy with their way of life we dont want pity if we dont need it

salaam

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and only the first part was directed to u ,not caring about ppl killing ppl just shows your character but to each his own

anywayz when i graduate i plan on going back home and changing the condition of my ppls all muslims and africans

and like i said before it is stable but u cant expect it to be perfect in a couple of months

please do tell that to somalis in britain matter of fact tell that to all immigrants living there including ur fellow europeans who have seeked asylum there

nowhere did i say it was paradise and britain is scum dont put words in my mouth

i'm pretty sure all the ppl who have come to britain for a better life are thankful

i am thankful i was raised out in canada and have access to free education

to me most Islamic nations today are 10 times worse than the west

again do not put words in my mouth

i just dont like ppl trying to force their way of life on ppl in their own countries who are already happy with their way of life we dont want pity if we dont need it

salaam

 

Peace arawelo16, you have my respect.

 

It is not easy to leave a country where you were raised; it takes courage to go to an unfamiliar place to make things better.

You seem like a person with dignity and respect for other people, you are a person to admire. :D

 

 

With kind regards

 

Bowman

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How many of you, who now apprently care about Somali lives, condemned the US for murdering hundreds of Somali civilians and for funding warlords who oppressed thousands more?

 

 

I think the ICU is doing a much better job than the warlords they overthrew. I just pointed out the fact that ICU soldiers killed 2 innocent WC spectators. That's all.

 

Peace

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:D

 

Bro Anthony: i'd advise you to read sis arewelo's post, you know why? Because she's speaking the truth. Unlike you, we dont get our infomation from the BBC, we get them from the people on the ground: Our people (and yes our relatives.)

 

It is slightly patronising when indivuduals who have no real knowlegde about somalia, its people, culture, history and the way things work over there and who's only source of information comes from the media, to start telling us who have exprience and knowlegde on, what goes on in our country.

 

Please dont believe all the stuff you read by the press. Theres alot of lies and propaganda being spun brother.

 

Sister Arewelo: love the name saxhib! lol. I totally agree with what you said.

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Sister Arewelo: love the name saxhib! lol. I totally agree with what you said.

thanks sis

we need another arawelo

salaam

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Peace arawelo16, you have my respect.

 

It is not easy to leave a country where you were raised; it takes courage to go to an unfamiliar place to make things better.

You seem like a person with dignity and respect for other people, you are a person to admire. :D

With kind regards

 

Bowman

 

Hey Bowman :D

 

If Arawelo is 16 as it says on her user name, chances are she wasnt raised in somalia, but in the west (maybe even born here like my 16 yr old brother).

 

Many somalis emigrated largely from somalia during the mid 80's and 90's at the beginning and climax of the war, although somali immgration to britian and europe in general has been going on for centuries, as we were colonised by the british, italians and the french.

 

If you go to the port cities like Cardiff, liverpool and bristol you will find museums deicated to somali contrbution in britian over the last 100 years or so. Many of our countrymen also paticpated during WW2, under the british (including my own grandad who's almost 100 now).

 

Its diffcult for an outsider to know or even comprehende how brutal our leader at the time Siad Barre and his men were and before anyone says he was muslim- he was actually a hardcore atheist and supporter of the communist regimes that existed in the ussr. And this man ruled over a 99.9% muslim poplulation. Needless to say it wasnt haven especially when he started bringing about curfews/laws against pracitising Islam (i.e headscarves were banned, Masjids were shut down, he also was resonpsiable for killing the ulema- the scholars of Islam in our country).

 

He imprisoned and killed people that opposed him, he had killed familes from clans he didnt like (including raping women from those tribes as well). Evenetually groups starting forming to overthrow him, the main one being the SNM (Somali National Movement- i think its called). The SNM gained some strongholds and managed to run his men from certain towns (which included heavy fighting and deaths among the civilian population) Anyways he evetually invaded the cities and started the bombardments.

 

Many fled with what they could to the refuguee camps that were set up on the borders. They tried to stay and live in the refugee camps (on the borders of Ethoipa and Kenya) with the intention of returning to somalia but the war intensified and the camps became unsafe as large number women and girls were raped by soliders. Eventually many got whatever they had and left to migrate to the west. How we managed to rebuild our lives here is another story and im sure everyone could tell you different one, but all moving you to tears.

 

For ceratin people here to make horriable comments about people geinueinly fleeing danger is sick. I have not met one somali in my life who were not grateful for chance to go to europe or the u.s or sits there and makes disparging comments about the countries which for many of us youngsters has been the only home we've known, some from birth (thats not to say somalia isnt our home, but our lives here).

 

I know plenty of familes that tried to move to the middle east and you think the M.E being predominatly muslims that we'd get refuge but they didnt and some M.E countries who were once our allies tighten their immgration laws so that we couldnt immigrate and those that managed to, would live like 2nd and 3rd class citzens and still do. One of my uncles is a prime example. He has spent over 30yrs in Qatar (he went long before the war) and served their country, financially contributued and did everything to uphold the laws of the country but yet the are still not citzens desipte all his work there and his children being born there. They can still be thrown out at anytime.

 

Of course its easier for Truth Onion and people like him to make up offensive comments about britian which have not been said by us and attach it to us and then have the cheek to tell us to piss off back to somalia. Its easy for him to make up rubbish and pass judgement and speak in an aggroant and authorative manner as if what his saying is fact and the truth, when he doesnt even know anything. It what ignornat and narrow minded people do!

 

Like Arawelo, many somalis wish to evetually go back to somalia and help rebuild the country and live in a stable and safe enviromemnt, which some parts of somalia have not been due to warlords running the country.

 

For the first time in a long time, our people have the goverment that they want running them. We had the brits, the italians, the french, the ethopians, the western hand picked dicators, murderous warlords all telling us how to live our lives and running our country. For once, can anybody not respect our people's descion for who they want to run their country?

 

Our people have desided for their own reasons who they want as their leaders and no doubt there are people who are trying to sabatoge that for their own gains, but you know what, its what our country wants. You dont have to like it, but you should respect the fact that we make the desicions and we have the right to make it as free sovergin nation! It was us alone who dealt with Siad Barre, it was us who got our soverity back from our former colonisers and it will be us alone who will deal with the ICU (Islamic Courts Union) if we see injustices arise from it.

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summer girl are u serious about siyad barre being an athiest?

i've never heard of that before

salaam

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summer girl are u serious about siyad barre being an athiest?

i've never heard of that before

salaam

 

:D

 

Trust me sister, im serious. Some of our people think he was muslim (but badly practising muslim) because he is somali and our people are virtually all muslim but he wasnt. The speeches that he made, especially regarding Islam showed that his belief was kufr. He wanted somalia to become a socalist/marxist country. That was the goal.

 

Theres not much history books over here that will tell you that but if you get some books about him which are written in somali (by somali historians), you'll see that very quickly.

 

All i say regarding him is may he long rot in the fires of jahanama (hell)!

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walahi u learn something new everyday

i will try to find some books on him

i seriously did not know this

here i was thinking he was a hero

salaam

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walahi u learn something new everyday

i will try to find some books on him

i seriously did not know this

here i was thinking he was a hero

salaam

 

 

:D

 

They are unfortanly some somalis who glorify this man. Part is ignorance and part its from those who orginally supported him. He did do some okay things, like bring about the written form of somali, which until the 70's had been an orally spoken langauge nothing more. And he fought against the ethipoians in the 70's to get ogedan back, who were suffering under ethipian rule. But his more devious and murderous actions far out weigh any of the good things he done! He killed us sister and brought about the destruction of our homes, our cities and our people. To me, nothing he done will ever compensate for that fact.

 

I respect the fact that you might not know all this. Living in the west has left many of us younger ones ignorant about our country and its history, but inshallah we can all learn. I'll try and find a list of books in english about somalia (good ones with accurate factual details) and pm them too you inshallah.

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Hey Summer girl,

 

I am not being sarcastic, I am being honest. But sometimes my english is very bad, like today :D

 

I do think it is admirable to return to the country of your parents to make things better.

 

And I believe in the right of everyone to choose their gouvernment.

 

Regards

 

Bowman

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