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This is an interesting thread, although I thank God that I never used this as a revision tool for my economics degree 4 years ago - don't want to go on about it too much but I have never read such dribble about the banking system!!

 

War does pay eventually, look what the Korean War did for Japan and the US, and the Japanese weren't even fighting.

 

Anyway.

 

I think it highly probable that there will at least be an attempt on the Pope's life. If successful it would probably be an event equal in consequence to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. There would be public support for western government reprisals for such an action, and I firmly believe that muslim communities in the UK would be targetted, ie attacked, Masjids burned etc.

 

I have heard this type of thing mentioned recently by a lot of people in private circles, the Pope being assassinated would be the straw that broke the camels back, the backlash would be very bad. The worrying thing is the people saying it and agreeing with it are normal quiet people, that are close to breaking point.

 

Has anyone else in the UK or elsewhere experienced this type of conversation? Or is it just the attitude in rural Leicestershire?

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Has anyone else in the UK or elsewhere experienced this type of conversation? Or is it just the attitude in rural Leicestershire?

 

Well people have talked about the general hatred of muslims in the uk and i accept it, cant blame some people but i doubt it that it would takes the popes death for everyone to go mad, i think another terror attack would cause a big backlash or a war with pakistan would cause massive problems in the uk

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Well people have talked about the general hatred of muslims in the uk and i accept it, cant blame some people but i doubt it that it would takes the popes death for everyone to go mad, i think another terror attack would cause a big backlash or a war with pakistan would cause massive problems in the uk

I don't think that another terrorist attack would push the quiet masses over the edge, another thing I've noticed is that people have a "when not if" attitude towards Islamic terrorism. When it happens there won't be that much of a backlash, unless it is on a par with 9/11. Anyway, I would say I'm quite safe here in Leicester! (joke).

 

I really do believe that an attack on the Pope will cause a huge backlash. There is a large Catholic community in the UK and Ireland, who I am certain will not sit idly by.

 

I still think that most people complaining about the Pope's words still don't know the whole speech, which is a sad reactionist way to live.

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Well people have talked about the general hatred of muslims in the uk and i accept it, cant blame some people but i doubt it that it would takes the popes death for everyone to go mad, i think another terror attack would cause a big backlash or a war with pakistan would cause massive problems in the uk

 

 

I think the Pope being assasinated by a muslim would have a MASSIVE impact on the world. I'm not sure if it would quite have the impact of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, but it would certainly result in huge reprisals, especially at local level.

Much of this anger would not be due to religious conviction or love of the pope, it would simply be driven by hatred of muslims and used as a recruiting tool.

It would also probably result in renewed sectarain violence between those already prone to a little violence.

 

Another terrorist attack would certainly result in a political shift. Increased support for the far-right, rigid security measures forced through parliament, low-level local hate crimes and another nail in the coffin of multi-culturalism. Policymakers would be forced to implement a do-or-die attitude towards integration and a hostile muslim community. I also feel the muslim community would be left isolated by all other religious and ethnic minority groups vocally and officially distancing themselves.

 

Seeing as most muslims in this country seem to be of Pakistani origin, a war with Pakistan would most likely end up with present muslim ghettos transformed into internment camps, forced deportations and an end to the proposed stealth 'islamofication' of Britain.

 

Oh well, every cloud.....

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Has anyone else in the UK or elsewhere experienced this type of conversation? Or is it just the attitude in rural Leicestershire?

 

My work takes me all around the country and gives me ample opportunity to socialise with people on an informal basis.

I'm sure you will be happy to hear that rural Leicestershire has finally caught up with the rest of the country, and has it's finger firmly on the pulse.

Congratulations!!!

 

A little more effort and who knows?

Running water, street-lighting and maybe even a tram!!!

 

 

In all seriousness, the anti-muslim/Islam vibe is everywhere. As Shaidmahmood said, even he can understand some of the resentment. However some of it is just reactionary due to local propoganda. You get one bloke who can express himself in an articulate manner and put across a cohesive and persuasive argument, and hey presto you've got a mob on your hands.

Some members of the muslim community have devoured this tactic for many years, to great effect. It has now been taken out of the Masjids, polished up and re-sold to non-muslims by those running on an anti-muslim ticket.

I don't have a problem with anybody having a genuine grievance with muslims/Islam, but this particular brand of recruitment has very sinister conotations because as you say, it is being taken up by people who would otherwise probably have quite a liberal agenda and being spoonfed to the young, vulnerable and ignorant.

I myself have huge issues with muslims, and may well be described as anti-muslim. However i couldn't give a hoot what my neighbour thought about muslims, because it is none of my business. If somebody has a grievance, so be it. What you don't do is provide a grievance.

 

These smarmy thugs in suits are just as dangerous to the country as the muslim extremists. Thankfully they have been kept in check by the great british public, but it's getting harder by the day.

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the behaviour of some muslims was terrible but if MR KAFIR wants me to get appologetic then they can stick thier thoughts where the sun dont shine... alright some people went OTT and then the media focused on them and said thats muslims for you but that does NOT mean the rest of us are like that, if you cant get that through your #### filled heads then i think you need to see a doctor as your obviously suffering something contagious...

 

Muslims will lose a holy war... wow... with all the weapons and might in the world you cant even take out a few old men with ak47's, turbans and flip flops.....

 

 

That's because in these days of PC thought we've been sticking to hugs 'n' snuggles warfare, achmed. You start killing popes and those old men will have their society in a whole world of hurt... and maybe some mch needed reform '

 

 

Right now Muslims are on the bad side of the US, Canadian, Australian, etc. Militaries... who are conditioned to fight within certain lawful parameters and are disciplined SEVERELY when breaking the rules.

 

If they start killing popes... well, say hello to the knee-capping, illegal methods of the IRA and south American fanatics... war will get a whole lot uglier, and under the table in the middle east, and Al Jazeera will be running out of ways to glorify it.

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I don't think that another terrorist attack would push the quiet masses over the edge, another thing I've noticed is that people have a "when not if" attitude towards Islamic terrorism. When it happens there won't be that much of a backlash, unless it is on a par with 9/11. Anyway, I would say I'm quite safe here in Leicester! (joke).

 

I really do believe that an attack on the Pope will cause a huge backlash. There is a large Catholic community in the UK and Ireland, who I am certain will not sit idly by.

 

I still think that most people complaining about the Pope's words still don't know the whole speech, which is a sad reactionist way to live.

 

if there was a dead pope there could be a massive backlash againt the muslims, but i still akin to another terrorist attack in the uk would cause more of a backlash...

 

and another thing mate, are you saying that if the pope was shot tommorrow you would go and start a row on some muslims in the uk, who had nothing to do with it whatsoever? if so then i seriously underestimated you, quite sad really :D

 

That's because in these days of PC thought we've been sticking to hugs 'n' snuggles warfare, achmed. You start killing popes and those old men will have their society in a whole world of hurt... and maybe some mch needed reform '

Right now Muslims are on the bad side of the US, Canadian, Australian, etc. Militaries... who are conditioned to fight within certain lawful parameters and are disciplined SEVERELY when breaking the rules.

 

If they start killing popes... well, say hello to the knee-capping, illegal methods of the IRA and south American fanatics... war will get a whole lot uglier, and under the table in the middle east, and Al Jazeera will be running out of ways to glorify it.

 

lee you might think we need reform in the country i sometimes think too however with Muslims being on the bad side of the US, Canadian, Australian, etc dont foget its equal the other way as well...

 

Lee i'll talk about anything you want but please dont result to hard talk, there is no need, you might hate muslims for whatever reason you please but please dont come out with hard man talk, knee capping aint as bad as head chopping illegal methods of so called al qaeda fanatics, you see this conversation can get really silly with no end... war might get ugly but dont forget there would be casualties on BOTH sides and at the end of the day there aint going to be a result even though the masses might think so....

 

Also why is it that you Al Jazeera as a propaganda news channel for?

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if there was a dead pope there could be a massive backlash againt the muslims, but i still akin to another terrorist attack in the uk would cause more of a backlash...

 

and another thing mate, are you saying that if the pope was shot tommorrow you would go and start a row on some muslims in the uk, who had nothing to do with it whatsoever? if so then i seriously underestimated you, quite sad really :D

No not at all. But I think a lot of others would.

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If a Muslim assassinated the Pope, you'd even have Western atheists pissed off at you. And right now, they're just about the only advocates Muslims have in the West.

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If a Muslim assassinated the Pope, you'd even have Western atheists pissed off at you. And right now, they're just about the only advocates Muslims have in the West.

 

okay im gonna say this in capital...

 

! ! ! W A T E V A ! ! !

 

i think its athiests who are causing all the trouble....

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No not at all. But I think a lot of others would.

 

but why though? would it make them feel big? bring a feeling of satisfaction... a feeling of revenge?

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i think its athiests who are causing all the trouble....

 

I thought it was Bush, Blair and israel?

 

I'm so confused.

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They are not atheists though. You said atheists were causing all the problems. I am just trying to figure out exactly what you mean by that.

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Lets not forget a muslim shot the last pope.

 

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Lets not forget it was the non muslims who caused this and thousand others

 

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Lets not forget it was the non muslims who caused this and thousand others

 

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Thats a bit off topic is it not?

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It just goes to show how things have changed. I suppose there wasn't much anger against muslims 25 yrs ago, because i can't think of any major backlash against this attack.

 

If this were to happen today i doubt there would be as much tolerance.

 

I can't believe the Pope forgave his would-be assassin, and visited him in prison. What a top bloke!

I bet that muslim felt a bit stupid.

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I can't believe the Pope forgave his would-be assassin, and visited him in prison. What a top bloke!

I bet that muslim felt a bit stupid.

 

He should feel more than stupid. Pope John Paul (am I right?) was a good man I think. In any case the correct punishment for the would be assasin should have been capital punishment.

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He should feel more than stupid. Pope John Paul (am I right?) was a good man I think. In any case the correct punishment for the would be assasin should have been capital punishment.

 

Greetings, Ozymandias,

 

I think I disagree. The "correct" punishment based upon an eye-for-an-eye justice system would indeed be execution, but JPII's example showed how it is possible to accomplish a "better justice." It comes down to the purpose of punishment. Ideally, we would like to see present punishment deter future criminality. So which is better, leaving a dead man behind to be taken up as a symbol among malcontents, or to leave a living, changed man behind to be taken up as a symbol of healing?

 

Is it not obvious that the latter is preferable, a "better justice"?

 

The young man involved in the attempted execution was recruited and primed for the task by the KGB, at a time when the Soviet Union was under great pressure from reformists in the predominately Roman Catholic Poland. It was the time of "Solidarnosc" and Lech Walesa. It was not a muslim-inspired execution, but a cynical play upon ignorant prejudices of an individual muslim.

 

Today there are many similarly unstable muslim majority nations whose leaders see a political advantage in stirring up disharmony based on religious prejudice. From Lebanon to Saudi Arabia, from Afghanistan to Somalia, turmoil inspires leaders to hang an easily identifiable banner around which they can rally their people to their selfish ends. I'm afraid that the language of "kafir" and "ummah" will only lead to suppression of those individual opinions that distinguish a thoughtful assembly from a mob.

 

As ever, Jesse

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I can't believe the Pope forgave his would-be assassin, and visited him in prison. What a top bloke!

I bet that muslim felt a bit stupid.

LOL who even force him to forgive his would-be assasin? No one has forced people to forgive.

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

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The young man involved in the attempted execution was recruited and primed for the task by the KGB, at a time when the Soviet Union was under great pressure from reformists in the predominately Roman Catholic Poland. It was the time of "Solidarnosc" and Lech Walesa. It was not a muslim-inspired execution, but a cynical play upon ignorant prejudices of an individual muslim.

 

In that context I agree with you, although I'm all in favour of an 'eye for an eye' justice system. However, if the Pope forgave his would-be assasin then so be it. I was in favour of his execution in no small part due to the potential damage caused had this idiot actually succeeded.

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LOL who even force him to forgive his would-be assasin? No one has forced people to forgive.

 

I have read this statement about ten times and still cannot figure out the meaning. What exactly do you mean by this Yasnov?

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