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Asalm-o-alaikum

 

America thinks an 'african taliban' is being raised - why does it feel so threatened each time it hears of a nation/society/community turning to Islam?

 

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was somalia better off being left to endure further atrocities? than to be rescued by Islam? America seems to think so....

 

what do you think of all this?

 

 

wasalaam

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Wait for the justifications they will provide you, lol,

they opened the port for the first time in 15 years, crime rate is now 0% in UIC controled areas of Somalia, people supported them every where they went so far except some drug edicts,(they banned drugs thats why) they removed the check points from different militias for collecting so called taxes from people, resulting in drop in prices of the consumer goods, they opened the airport, foriegn investors are coming back to Somalia, BUT STILL THEY ARE TERRORIST, Go to hell with your definition of terrorists you fooools.

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Salaams

Go to hell with your definition of terrorists you fooools.

YEs...and hold the door for the ones that define "Americans" :D

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i am somalian and if it wasnt for the Islamic courts my little brother would have been out of control he was robbing houses and smoking etc... my mom and dad sent him to mogadishu and he had never been to somalia before he was taken to an Islamic boarding school in mogadishu and he has been rescued by Islam he know prays and has memorized the quran and is also going to school all thanks to Allah and the Islamic courts

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Mashallah,

 

sister what a prime example you have given us and thank you for sharing this with us...

 

im still waiting for some non-muslim members here to give their opinion

 

 

wasallaam

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Peace,

 

If the ICU brings law and order back to Somalia then great. If they clamp down on narcotics, pornography being shown to children, stop looting in towns and cities - all great.

 

im still waiting for some non-muslim members here to give their opinion

 

Why would it matter to the article which religion forum members are? :D

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If Somalis are happy with Islamic rule then I don't see a problem . The ICU have certainly improved life for many after years of chaos .

 

I do think people concentrate too much on American opinion considering Ethiopia and Eritrea are more likely to yet again use Somali militias as proxies for their own squabbles . I also wonder whether the Somaliland issue can be solved without sparking another civil war .

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Peace,

 

If the ICU brings law and order back to Somalia then great. If they clamp down on narcotics, pornography being shown to children, stop looting in towns and cities - all great.

 

 

 

Why would it matter to the article which religion forum members are? :D

 

 

peace

 

i did not mean for it in a negative sense, :D if anything, its good to sometimes hear the views of all and not just muslim members on these issues

 

:D

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i am somalian and if it wasnt for the Islamic courts my little brother would have been out of control he was robbing houses and smoking etc... my mom and dad sent him to mogadishu and he had never been to somalia before he was taken to an Islamic boarding school in mogadishu and he has been rescued by Islam he know prays and has memorized the quran and is also going to school all thanks to Allah and the Islamic courts

Sounds like your parents should have done a better job raising their son and not relied on the government to teach him self-restraint. Or is he only restraining himself because there will be a penalty for his crimes? I thought Muslims were supposed to act morally, whether they were going to receive an earthly punishment, or not. Can Muslims act immorally if there are no earthly laws against it?

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Sounds like your parents should have done a better job raising their son and not relied on the government to teach him self-restraint. Or is he only restraining himself because there will be a penalty for his crimes? I thought Muslims were supposed to act morally, whether they were going to receive an earthly punishment, or not. Can Muslims act immorally if there are no earthly laws against it?

 

Lolz!

Man I wish that becoming a muslim was an automatic safeguard against immorality but hey guess what? We're people too! just as insecure, corrupt and plain vicious as anyone else can be. Only thing is, our punishment will be greater because we should have known better.

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Sounds like your parents should have done a better job raising their son and not relied on the government to teach him self-restraint.

 

Yeah, and you should also tell that to the parents and children in any number of western inner city ghettos where lawlessness, drug dealing and teenage pregnancy is the norm. Count yourself lucky bro that you live in a place that is undoubtedly well lit, well educated and with a working system of law and order. You have no idea what living in anarchy is like and you should pray (or hope) that you never find out. As is it, your response smacks of naivete at best or smug self-satisfaction at worst. Also, sarcasm is an art best not left in the hands of the uninitiated.

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I have not read too much about this, but from what I do know it seems like a good thing. Some discipline for the time being, then hopefully in the near future they will have enough stability to become economically prosperous.

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Lolz!

Man I wish that becoming a muslim was an automatic safeguard against immorality but hey guess what? We're people too! just as insecure, corrupt and plain vicious as anyone else can be. Only thing is, our punishment will be greater because we should have known better.

 

 

LOL. I'm glad YOU said it and not me . Now if you convince some others of that -

 

 

-that may indeed be the beginnings of a true epiphany . And nothing less than that will divert the world from the course it is now on .

 

And yes I agree , for all that I have heard here of self-righteousness , judgementalism and condemnation of others , yea , you should have known better .

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As for the people of Somalia ?, that is, the majority of the people of Somalia , if that makes them happy , so be it , more power to them , if its their choice , then it is their choice .

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As for the U S ? I 'd rather hear it from a Somali , than anyone here on thses threads sitting thousands of milres away , and this is a bit more objective :

 

Somalia: Victory of the Union of Islamist Courts (UIC) Over the Faction Leaders

 

 

 

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ANALYSIS

October 14, 2006

Posted to the web October 15, 2006

 

Professor Kinfe Abraha

 

 

Part I

 

Overview

 

The conflict which erupted in the months of May to June 2006, between the Somali faction leaders and a grouping of leaders of eleven Islamic (Sharia) Courts which controlled different parts of Mogadishu that resulted in more than 400 causalities and over 2000 wounded civilians, has heightened international concern about Somalia's political future. This source of alarm and anxiety was exacerbated when the Islamists defeated the warlords and assumed full control of the Somali capital.

 

The concern was felt very widely in various circles including among member states of IGAD, the UN, United States, and the Arab League which convened different meetings to review the new developments in Somalia. Similar concerns were expressed by the AU, EU, other organizations and individual states.

 

Following these developments, the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of Somalia led by President Abdulahi Yusuf had appealed for international involvement and the support of the AU and IGAD in dealing with the crisis which seems to threaten its legitimacy and survival as an elected government. As a result, IGAD countries met in Nairobi in early June to review the situation and look at options on the way forward. Likewise, an Arab League meeting between the TFG and leaders of the sharia courts had taken place in Kahartoum on June 20, 2006 leading to the signing of an accord in which the Islamists accepted the legitimacy of the TFG and the TFG recognized the reality of the existence of the Islamists.

 

US Concerns about Somalia

 

Meanwhile, the Bush administration had convened an international meeting on political developments in Somalia, marking an abrupt shift in its policy after Islamists seized control of the Somalia capital from the allegedly US-backed warlords-led militias. This was followed by the formation of a "Somalia Contact Group" by the State Department.

 

According to the Washington Post of June 10, 2006, the announcement of the State Department was made on June 9, 2006. The State Department had earlier expressed concern about the danger of a US policy largely restricted to counter-terrorism priorities which it saw as counterproductive.

 

Further, according to the Washington Post of June 10, 2006 in the days which followed, the US administration indicated that "it was open to discussions with the Islamists as long as they were prepared to seek a peaceful resolution and pledge not to allow Somalia to become an Al-Qaeda safehaven."

 

According to State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, the goal of the group's meeting, which was held in New York, is "to promote concerted action and coordination to support the Somalia transitional federal institutions." In this connection he said, "we are going to be working with other interested states and international organizations on this matter."

 

The decision to launch a multinational diplomatic initiative reflects the lack of immediately viable options in Somalia short of overt military engagement. It also appears to indicate a further resurgence of the State Department's voice in the foreign policymaking of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

 

McCormack said the contact group will be open to "interested parties" from governments and international organizations and suggested that "the UN would want to participate in this." Meanwhile, the United Nations expressed its willingness to participate, especially as the timing coincided with the return from Somalia of Francois Lonseny Fall, the UN representative who had met with different faction leaders.

 

In the same vein, representatives from the European Union which also expressed interest in talks with the Islamists attended the meeting. The US delegation was headed by the assistant secretary of state for African affairs, Jendayi E. Frazer.

 

 

 

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-that may indeed be the beginnings of a true epiphany . And nothing less than that will divert the world from the course it is now on .

 

Uh-huh...and now if only YOU and your lot would realise what absolute imperialist jackasses you are maybe, just maybe we could get somewhere. Make no mistake, the world is on this course because you set it on this course.

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Uh-huh...and now if only YOU and your lot would realise what absolute imperialist jackasses you are maybe, just maybe we could get somewhere. Make no mistake, the world is on this course because you set it on this course.

 

 

The blame game . I have expected THAT , sooner or later .

You are no different , although you would portray yourself a sophisticate .

 

Maybe when your lot , sorts out the "tiny minority " of "misunderstanders ", you might actually have some one believe what you say .

 

Until then , the status quo will remain . For so far , strife has been the trademark , and chaos the initiator . Of course the model of utopia seems to be a repressive Taliban-like regime . Such that is forming in Somalia , so we'll just wait and see . Already the media has been clamped down on and shut down .

In Somalia , people are STILL getting killed , but the "name tags " on the participants have merely been changed around .

 

And as far as any positive results , how would you know to start ?, for there is no one to report what is going on ,for that is controlled , and so will be everything else coming out of Somalia .

 

But what is new there ? Anarchy was there before the U S , and was there after , so a move from anarchy to organized chaos is considered to be an evolution to a higher mode ?

 

But , I guess they will do what they wil do , and no matter the depths that any descend to , they will always have apologists like you , to fix blame on someone else .

By this late date in time , your propganda and rhetoric has been standardized and memorized , thence spread and parroted in unison .

 

 

As far as perceptions ? They will change when "your lot " does . For the shams perpetrated, do not fool anyone , and there are many examples of exactly THAT .

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The blame game . I have expected THAT , sooner or later .

 

As far as perceptions ? They will change when "your lot " does . For the shams perpetrated, do not fool anyone , and there are many examples of exactly THAT .

 

Of course you should expect the 'blame game'. You're blaming us, so I'm blaming you...fair enough?

 

And listen, I'm terribly sorry but 'your' side cannot with even a shred of credibility accuse anyone of perpetrating shams. I think the runup to the invasion of Iraq, with its lies and deciet is the greatest sham perpetrated on the world in the recent past. And you fell for it where you didn't willingly and eagerly support it. And not a 'tiny minority' either, but the majority of 'you' supported it. It's only now when the cost of occupation in both Iraq and Afghanistan is becoming too high that your public polls are reflecting doubts. It is hypocrisy and worse, it is cowardice. And off topic now, but regarding theTaliban,you have only the sheer arrogance, stupidity and short-sightedness of your leadership to blame for their return. Their original rise to power was a direct result of the terror unleashed by the warlrds in Afghanistan...the very same people who once again seized power in Afghanistan as a direct result of your coalition's ridiculous conviction that nation-building could be done on the cheap. Look at the result. Those mainiacs are back and stronger than ever. The disastrous Iraq invasion, based on lies, deceit and naked (to me anyway) imperialism has rejuvenated a nearly dead Al-Qaeda. And who will pay the price? certainly not you and yours, because the inevitable increase in terrorism will only create more excuses for furthering the imperial agenda. It is US,the vast majority of moderates who will pay the price because you have left us absolutely no space to maneouver against the extremists. Your side claims to fight for democracy but then supports dictators. You claim to stand for peace but initiate wars. You stand by while a country is bombed to rubble and condi rice has the audacity to call the sounds of bombs falling birth pangs? And you wonder why, from universal sympathy post 9/11, the USA is now the most hated country in the world? Our extremists are on the run and always have been, but yours are running the government.

Point fingers all you like, but please note that when you do there are three of your own fingers that point back at you.

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