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Insulting and Slandering God or the Prophet is punishable by death whether you are Muslim or not; that is the law.

 

You do not have an issue with that. Just about every non-Muslim in the world would.

 

As I said earlier, it is a good thing that all religions do not have such rules.

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I love Arabs, mostly because they are from the land where my Beloved Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam was born and from where Allah spread the word of Islam. It hurts me when I see Muslims degrading Arabs, call me sentimental or whatever.
Assalam Alaikum

 

I agree with Aunty ^^^ here. I used to say lot of bad words to Arabs BUT many scholars made me clear on this point.

 

Here we are not discriminating & making any differences between Arabs & other muslims BUT rather giving respect to Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

 

I'm sorry if ppl can't understand the point here but I pray to Allah (SWT) give us taufeeq to understand the Quran & Sunnah.. ameen

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Greetings,

 

Please clear it up for me then. I read the links about the hadith and do not see where I am incorrect in believing that the passage allows Muslims to kill people that insult the Prophet.

 

Certainly it does not.

 

The Word was sent down to Muhammad (saas) 14 centuries ago, in the land of Arabia, and this event happened most likely somewhere around the Hijra. I'm not implying that "times have changed," rather it is that I am aware of the Islamic (not necessarily Muslim) stance on the issue of vigilantism. Vigilantism is strictly prohibited in the religion and the person that commits this particular crime incurs nothing but wrath from the Divine. Prophet Muhammad (saas) was a man of superior intellect, he was extremely careful in making the right decision(s) each day and each night; he bore a heavy burden from the Lord and was cognizant of the potential consequences of each choice he would make in this lifetime. Hudud, or punishment, is carried out solely by the authorities in charge within an Islamic state; this is the legal ruling.

 

If the Messenger (saas) were here we would gain a better understanding of the matter, we cannot see the hadith in it's entire context. For those of you who have read the Seera (life-story) of the Messenger, I ask you how many times had Muhammad prevented his companions from killing a sinner or an enemy of his? Many! Consider the story of the man who ran upto to the Prophet (saas) and nearly choked him out concerning a garment (I believe it was) the Prophet was wearing which he had borrowed from this inidividual. A sahabi was ready to retaliate, but the Prophet forbade so. Observe the hadith(s) about the Jewish man who met the Messenger in order to test him: he began ridiculing and insulting Muhammad (saas), eager to witness the response. Upon noticing the Prophet's calmness and his refusal to respond in an equally aggressive manner he embraced him as the Messenger.

 

I also admire the story of Christ (a.s) in the book of John where Jesus is described to have prevented the Jews from stoning the lady guilty for adultery. This does not indicate that Jesus (a.s) was sent to abolish the Law, [this he denies in the Bible] every messenger is appointed with a set of unique instructions to guide a unique commmunity of people. The adulteress the Prophet had executed literally asked for her punishment. Muhammad turned away from her, almost pretending not hear, for Muhammad was not a fan of blood and gore. The woman was eventually stoned after she kept on requesting an execution, after she gave birth that is. Another woman was killed for the same crime without Muhammad's knowledge. When Muhammad learned of this, he rebuked the ones responsible for the hudud, for he was informed that the lady had repented. But at the same time, Muhammad, God's own Prophet, was commanded to obey the divine Law, as all prophets were. Isa (a.s) is reported to have threatened a false prophetess, whom he called a "Jezebel," with capital punishment, for her actions were a misguidance to his people, - she could have lead the believers astray into the eternal blaze of Hell.

 

A while ago I saw The 10 Commandments (the new version) and I watched how Moses (a.s) had to prepare the same punishment for a man and a woman that had committed adultery. He was hesitant, for he was merciful by nature, however he was compelled to adhere to the Law of the Lord for one special reason: God always knows best. He wept and out to God after the incident and sought further clarification from Him concerning the nature of his mission, which he eventually received. Who knows, perhaps the man of the hadith was mentally challenged, in addition to being blind. Of a surety, Muhammad (saas) prohibited the vigilant hudud of death. I'd take Karen Armstrong's advice, as she has spent years studying the amazing life of the holy Prophet. And Karen is pretty straight forward.

 

Best regards,

 

Averroes

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As I said earlier, it is a good thing that all religions do not have such rules.

The other monotheistic religions have very similar blasphemy laws...

 

Defiling religious symbols, although not a law in other religions, is also looked down upon and not tolerated, and some of these perpetrators throughout history have been harshly punished for this act...

 

The point I want to make is...this law has been implemented in the name of other religions and not just Islam...

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Salaams

 

You do not believe in them but you do not slander them becouse it insults those that do believe in them. there are no double standards, you dont insult my God and I dont insult yours - same thing goes to Prophets and other icons of religions.

This maybe what preached but not practiced.

When Abrahim (AS) broke all the statues and blamed the bigger one, was

it portrayed as an offense/blaspahmey or glorified?

Maybe we should clarify What exactly is an insult first.

becaz to soem peopel calling their monkey/snake Gods fake is an insult,

or not kneeling to them can also be an insult.

It all comes down to imposing one's own beliefs on others which is not

fair. There has to be nuetral grounds in order for a peaceful co -existance.

Besides, it; snot like the women disrespected Allah, She disrespected

the prophet. Now I am not condoning Prophet bashing..but punishable by death :D

(maybe I should open another thread on that :D )

 

Peace

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:D

 

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

 

A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet(pbuh) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (pbuh) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet(pbuh) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (pbuh) and said:

 

Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (pbuh) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

Although the Hadith in consideration, no doubt, is reported with continuity of the chain of narrators who are mostly deemed reliable by the scholars of the science of Hadith yet what makes the Hadith slightly questionable is its single chain of narrators: it is only Abdullah Bin Abbas who told Ikrama who told Uthman al Shahham, who narrated it to only two people. The report remained confined to only a single person in each of the first three generations. An incident, which took place before a gathering of Muslims and a decision, so important was made about an apparently brutal murder; reason demands should have been quoted by a large number of narrators.

 

Moreover, the narrative does not find mention in any of the more recognized books of Hadith like Mu'atta of Imam Mailk, Sahih of Muslim and Sahih of Bukhari. Only those who are very lenient about the acceptance of traditions have reported it.

 

Finally, scholars dealing with the personalities of the narrators are not unanimously positive about the personality and reports of Uthman al Shahham. Ya'ya Bin Saeed al-Qattan comments that his traditions are sometimes accepted and sometimes not. (Meezanul-I`tidal vol.5 page 76 CD ed.) Nisaai is reported to have said that he (Uthman-al-Shaham) was not reliable. (Meezanul-I`tidal vol.5 page 76 CD ed.) Bukhari didn't take any report from him and he is dealt with among Zuafaa in Al-kamil-fi-Zuafaa.

 

Leaving the checks on its narrators and their reliability aside we have enough problems in ascertaining the truth about the matter. Many important facts about the incident remain unanswered. Who was the woman? To which faith did she belong? What made her stick to her habit of slandering the Prophet (sws)? Did the Prophet already know her abusing him? Did he himself try to talk her out of her mischief or did he advise his companion to prevent her from doing that? What was the phase of the prophethood when the incident occurred? With every bit of information supplied the explanation of the act of the prophet may change.

 

Whatever the situation might have been, we are bound to admit that every action of the Prophet should be in harmony with the moral and legal teaching of the religion. If an act ascribed to the Prophet (sws) does not fit into the moral status of a messenger, we should not hesitate to renounce it. However the tradition under consideration can very conveniently be explained in the light of the religious sources. An explanation follows:

 

The Qur'an tells us that Muhammad (sws) was not only a Prophet (nabi) but also a messenger (Rasu'l) of Allah. The Qur'an tells us that when Allah sends His messenger in a people, these people are not allowed to live on Allah's earth if they reject the messenger. It tells us that these people are given time in which to make up their minds and to present all their objections against the messenger (Rasu'l). It tells us that when the Al-knowing Allah decides that these people have been given adequate time and that they are now absolutely clear of the truthfulness of the messenger and thus are not left with any excuse for their rejection but still are persistent in their rejection then Allah directs his prophet to migrate from the area and then he destroys all those who have rejected his messenger. The Qur'an refers to the peoples (nations of the messengers of old - Noah, Hood, Lot, Shoaib, Saaleh and Moses (pbuh)- and narrates the result of their rejection. It declares to the direct addressees of Muhammad (sws) that if they don't accept the message of Allah's messenger (Muhammad) their fate shall be no different from those nations that have gone before them. (Surah al-Qamar the whole Surah especially verse no 43-45)

 

In short the Qur'an says it is the unalterable law of Allah that when he sends his messenger in a people, these particular people are left with no option but to accept his message or to face the punishment of death and sometimes complete annihilation.

 

The Qur'an goes further to tell us how this punishment was implemented on the polytheists from among the direct addressees of the Prophet (sws). It tells us that although the previous nations of the messengers of Allah were annihilated because of their rejection through (apparently) natural calamities the companions of Muhammad (sws) because Allah has given them rule in a land (Medina) shall fight the rejecters and through these believers shall Allah implement his punishment (al_Tauba 9:14-16). It directs them that the Mushrikeen should be killed without any exception. They should only be allowed to live if they accept Islam (al-Taubah 9:5). On the other hand, it also directs them that the Jews and the Christians (because they weren't polytheists I.e. Mushrikeen) even if they don't enter the folds of Islam, they may be allowed to live if they accept to live under the Muslim rule and agree to pay the Jizyah (Al-Taubah 9:29). Thus the Prophet (sws) sent his messenger who declared at the time of Hajj that no one from among the rejecting polytheists shall be allowed to live after the prohibited months, if he does not accept Islam. As a result of this declaration, most of the people who previously were polytheists, accepted Islam and thus the punishment of Allah was avoided.

 

In my opinion, the decision is based on the fact that the murder of the woman is an implementation of the punishment to which all the direct addressees of the prophet would have been subject had they not accepted the faith. It is obvious from the tradition that the incident occurred after the migration to Madina. And migration in the preaching mission of a messenger of God is a phase when all the rejecters of the faith lose the right of being allowed to live on the earth. So did the woman. Now somebody killed her and the person who killed her is acquitted of the crime because he implemented a punishment, to which all the rejecters would have been subjected to, in any case.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Regards,

 

Tariq Mahmood Hashmi

September 25, 2002

 

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:D / Greetings

 

May Allah (swt) bless both bro Mahid and Averroes, for they have provided very good explanations for the hadith...

 

:D / Greetings

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Salaams

 

maybe it's bcaz their fate is already sealed by the "The Most MERCIFUL" that is why it says...Summun Bukmun ‘Umyun fahum laa yarji’oon’

Who is to blame here?

 

peace

 

Walaikum Assalam!

 

Misinterpretation here, based on shallow approach. The Most Meciful is also the Most Just. He will never keep people from knowledge. The deaf, blind and dumb are in this condition because they choose to be so. Remember free will? He has given them the free will to choose, yet they choose to keep questioning, but do not make an attempt to understand.

 

Peace out

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I hope you mean deaf, blind, and dumb in a figurative sense.

Yes. Deaf to hear the signs of the presence of the Creator, and His Message. Blind to see proofs around them, and dumb to understand what they see and hear.

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Peace,

 

Yes. Deaf to hear the signs of the presence of the Creator, and His Message. Blind to see proofs around them, and dumb to understand what they see and hear.

 

Me like you think. Me dumb and me blind. Obvious God exist me so thick.

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Salaams

Yes. Deaf to hear the signs of the presence of the Creator, and His Message. Blind to see proofs around them, and dumb to understand what they see and hear

Maybe if he would have done a better job at the signs or made us a little smarter,we would all see it. I mean seriously, If God wanted something, it would happen.

So if he wanted, the signs would hacve been clearer.

cough..cough..setup..cough.

 

The Most Meciful is also the Most Just. He will never keep people from knowledge. The deaf, blind and dumb are in this condition because they choose to be so. Remember free will? He has given them the free will to choose, yet they choose to keep questioning, but do not make an attempt to understand.

Peace out

So let me get that straight, People purposely want to be deaf,dumb and blind.

We are talking about sane people right? :D

ok, let me ask you this.

When you say Merciful Or Just..You mean:

In this world only?

After life Only?

Or

In this world and after life put together?

Peace

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Peace

 

It directs them that the Mushrikeen should be killed without any exception. They should only be allowed to live if they accept Islam

 

Bro Mahid what does that mean? Is the person you have quoted saying that non-muslims (appart from christians and jews) are to be killed if they do not accept Islam?? (keep in mind faith is put in a person's heart by Allah(swt), people can't just believe if Allah(swt) doesn't guide them).

 

Peace

Edited by anthony19832005

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Assalamualaikum Ilogical

 

Maybe if he would have done a better job at the signs or made us a little smarter,we would all see it. I mean seriously, If God wanted something, it would happen.

So if he wanted, the signs would hacve been clearer.

cough..cough..setup..cough.

 

 

Ok lets just assume that there IS an Almighty God. OK? Now, that means that 1. God DID creat us and 2. he knows EVERYTHING about us.

 

Hypothetically consider a robot with AI thats made in the future. Now the scientist who made the robot knows everything about it. If there is a faulty circuit in the robot the scientist will know of it and the robot wouldnt. all the intricate steps involved in designing and manufacturing the complex mechanisms are known only to the scientist and not the robot. The same consept can be related to Allahs omnipotent presenence.

 

We have assumed that Allah (swt) creatde us hence he would be well and truly informed about our DNA and molecular structure. firstly with the signs and how the non-muslims are blind deaf and dumb. Allah swt has created us and knows what we are and are not capable of doing. he knows what we understand and that the proofs given to mankind are sufficient for the human mind to grasp the truth of Islam. Such proofs are evident in the quoran.

 

Tell me this. How many places in the world dont have computers? consider any place with a computer as an opportunity to find the truth. you can find all religious scriptures on tyhe internet especially the holy quran. this website, ill assume you are not a muslim, is an opportunity for you to find the truth of Islam. Since we have also assumed that God ODES exist, consider you being part of an IslamIC forum as God Almighty's gift to YOU to maybe embrace Islam.

 

Now with the DNA. recent research indicates that the core attributes of a human being are sealed the moment the DNA is formed in the mother's womb. therefore, technically, it would be possible if technology is available to determine what a 1 day old baby would look like at 35 years of age. how tall, hair colour, eye colour and medical details are determined(disregarding external factors eg environment, drugs etc). therefore, Allah swt, the Being that made the DNA, would he not be able to know the outcome of our future? would He not know what we can and can not do?

 

lastly, such proofs, including the miracles of the quran and the history of Islam ARE sufficient to illuminate the truth onto fellow, normal and healthy human beings.

 

May the peace mercy and blessings of almighty Alllah swt be upon you all

 

w/s

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Also, bro Mahid, please shed some light on what the quote meant.

 

It directs them that the Mushrikeen should be killed without any exception. They should only be allowed to live if they accept Islam

 

Salaam

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Walaikum Assalam!

 

Salaams

 

Maybe if he would have done a better job at the signs or made us a little smarter,we would all see it. I mean seriously, If God wanted something, it would happen.

So if he wanted, the signs would hacve been clearer.

cough..cough..setup..cough.

 

Take some cough mixture otherwise it will get worse. The ailments come from our exposure to wrong environements. The worst ailment is that of being blind and deaf to the Signs of Allah. I prescribe better knowledge, through readding with sincerity, and keeping good company. If you do not do both your ailment may get really serious, and come Judgement Day you will be at a total loss.

 

So let me get that straight, People purposely want to be deaf,dumb and blind.

We are talking about sane people right? :D

ok, let me ask you this.

When you say Merciful Or Just..You mean:

In this world only?

After life Only?

Or

In this world and after life put together?

Peace

 

Sanity is perceived from sane decisions. To disbelieve is not a sane decision. It is like exposing all your bets. What if the disbelief turs out to be wrong? If belief turns out to be wrong, I do not stand to lose anything. My life is hedged.

 

Merciful and Just always. Before He Created Adam, and after the Day of Judgement. These are some of His qualities.

 

Peace out

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Bro Mahid what does that mean? Is the person you have quoted saying that non-muslims (appart from christians and jews) are to be killed if they do not accept Islam?? (keep in mind faith is put in a person's heart by Allah(swt), people can't just believe if Allah(swt) doesn't guide them).

 

Peace

 

Peace

 

That is incorrect understanding of qadr. Allah :D does not misguide anyone, or deprive him/her of Guidance. It is man's free will to remain misguided. They are not sincere in their search, hence He does not Guide them. If Guidance was for everyone, there would be no need for a free will, as He would Guide all of us. Then there woul be no corn and husk to separate.

 

Peace out

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Salaam

 

Thank you for the explanation, however what I was curious about was this:

 

It directs them that the Mushrikeen should be killed without any exception. They should only be allowed to live if they accept Islam

 

But yeah, you have to be sincere in your search but guidance is not guaranteed. I know a lot of people who are always talking about who created the world etc etc and they come to different conclusions than Islam. For example I have a good atheist friend whom I frequently talk to about Islam but he never seems to "get it". Well, anyways Allah(swt) knows best.

 

Peace

Edited by anthony19832005

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Also, bro Mahid, please shed some light on what the quote meant.

Salaam

Killing the Mushrikeen when they don't accept Islam, absolutely not. That was a time of war. There was a battle going on. There was a battle that the Mushrikun started in the first place. Please read the verse all the way on top of the page, it says, call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and sincere exhortaions and debate with them in manners that are most appropriate { An Nahl 16:125}

 

Abusing or cursing Allah/GOD, prophets and the word of GOD is punishable by death (we can learn from the stories of the Prophet before Muhammad where the their people ridiculed and abused the Prophets, and Allah punished them with disaster and etc such as Prophets Noah and Yunus). NOT the fact that they are not muslim nor the fact that they don't want to embrace Islam, that's not punishable by death. Islam welcomes those who want to embrace it and doesn't mind if they don't want to embrace it. It's a choice. If we read properly, we'll understand the point of the question and answer. The woman was killed for cursing the Prophet Muhammad PBUH. He is actually generally merciful and forgiving (there are many stories about his forgiveness), but in this case, the woman was already killed when he heard the news, so it's all too late.

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

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So let me get that straight, People purposely want to be deaf,dumb and blind.

We are talking about sane people right?

 

:D illogical

 

I have personally seen people turn a blind eye to facts in order to justify their prejudice against Islam. All the people on the forum as "Faith Freedom International" refuse to acknowledge anything good about Islam, Muslims, or Muhammad. It is quite absurd. Even if you don't believe he is a prophet, you should at least acknowledge the fact that he is a social reformer who did nothing but benefit the Arabia in general. But when people reject a religion, especially one that proselytizes a lot, the more they demonize it, the safer they feel about not being a part of it. That is why you will find the most demonizing comments coming from apostates. This is the difference between rejecting Islam, and just not being a Muslim.

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Salaam

 

Thank you for the explanation, however what I was curious about was this:

But yeah, you have to be sincere in your search but guidance is not guaranteed. I know a lot of people who are always talking about who created the world etc etc and they come to different conclusions than Islam. For example I have a good atheist friend whom I frequently talk to about Islam but he never seems to "get it". Well, anyways Allah(swt) knows best.

 

Peace

 

Walaikum Assalam!

 

Sincerity in finding Truth guarantees Guidance. Sincerity in searching is like a person lost in a desert, if he has a compass, and a map, he will find his way out. Otherwise he will just keep going in circles.

 

Peace

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