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Assalamu Alaikum

 

When is it the day of Arafat? If we celebrate Eid ul Adha on Sunday, then the day of Arafat is Saturday, right?

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Correct.

 

However depending on where you live you could be celebrating Eid tomorrow (meaning the day of Arafat was today)

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Ok. Great! Then I can fast tomorrow on the day of Arafat, since I celebrate Eid Ul Adha on Sunday.

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Same as me :sl:

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As-salaam alaykum

 

The day of Arafat was Friday 29th. The day does not change to suit the day you are going to be celebrating Eid. It has happened. alHamdulillaah.

 

You will need a scholar to give you an answer to your question. Insha'Allah.

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As-salaam alaykum...

 

I found this fatwa which makes things clear. Insha'Allah.

 

If countries differ with regard to when Ramadaan begins and when the day of ‘Arafah is, with whom should I fast?

 

Question:

Because of some personal circumstances we moved to Pakistan, where a lot of things are different, such as the time of prayer, etc. I want to ask you: I am keen to fast on the day of ‘Arafah, but the Hijri date in Pakistan is different from the date in Saudi: when the date in Pakistan is the 8th of the month, it is the 9th in Saudi. Should I fast on the 8th – which is the 9th in Saudi – or should I fast according to the date in Pakistan?.

 

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

 

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: what if the day of ‘Arafah is different because of the moon being sighted at different times in different countries? Should we fast according to the moon sighting in the country where we are or according to the moon sighting in al-Haramayn (the two Holy Sanctuaries)?

 

He replied: This is based on a difference of opinion among the scholars: Is there only one moon sighting for the whole world or does it vary according to when the moon rises in different places?

 

The correct view is that it varies according to when the moon rises in different places. For example, if the moon is sighted in Makkah, and today is the ninth, and it is sighted elsewhere one day before Makkah, and the day of ‘Arafah in Makkah is the tenth for them, it is not permissible for them to fast on this day because it is Eid. Similarly if it so happens that they sight the moon after Makkah, and the 9th in Makkah is the 8th for them, then they should fast the day that is the 9th for them, which is the 10th in Makkah. This is the correct view, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When you see it (the new moon) fast and when you see it break your fast.†Those who did not see the moon in their own location have not seen it. Just as people are unanimously agreed that the times for dawn and sunset vary according to their own location, so too the months are also worked out by location, just like the daily timings.

 

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 20.

 

And he (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about some people who worked in the Saudi embassy in a foreign country, who said that they were having a problem concerning the fast of Ramadaan and the fast on the day of ‘Arafah. The brothers there had split into three groups:

 

One group said: we will fast with Saudi and break the fast with Saudi.

 

Another group said: we will fast with the country where we are living and break the fast with them.

 

The last group said: we will fast Ramadaan with the country where we are living, but we will fast the day of ‘Arafah with Saudi.

 

They asked the Shaykh to provide them with a detailed answer concerning the Ramadaan fast and fasting the day of ‘Arafah, whilst noting that for the past five years, in the country where they were living neither Ramadaan nor the day of ‘Arafah had been observed on the same days as in Saudi; their Ramadaan started one or two days after it had been announced in Saudi, and sometimes three days after.

 

He replied:

 

In the name of Allaah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

 

The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) differed concerning the issue when the moon is sighted in one part of the Muslim world and not in another: do all the Muslims have to act on the basis of that, or only those who sighted it and the people who live in the same region, or only those who sighted it and the people who live under the same government? There are many different points of view.

 

The most correct view is that the matter should be referred to those who have knowledge of it. If the moon rises at the same point for two countries they become like one country, so if it is sighted in one of them that ruling applies to the other. But if the rising points differ, then each country has its own ruling. This is the view favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him); this is the apparent meaning of the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah and what is implied by analogy.

 

In the Qur’aan it says (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Sawm (fasts) that month, and whoever is ill or on a journey, the same number [of days which one did not observe Sawm (fasts) must be made up] from other days. Allaah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. (He wants that you) must complete the same number (of days), and that you must magnify Allaah [i.e. to say Takbeer (Allaahu Akbar: Allaah is the Most Great)] for having guided you so that you may be grateful to Himâ€

 

[al-Baqarah 2:185]

 

What is implied by this verse is that whoever does not see it is not obliged to fast.

 

In the Sunnah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When you see it (the new moon) then fast, and when you see it, break your fast.†What is implied by this hadeeth is that if we did not see it we are not obliged to fast or to break the fast.

 

With regard to analogy, the times for starting and ending the fast each day should be worked out in each country on its own, according to the local times of sunrise and sunset. This is a point on which there is scholarly consensus. So you see the people in east Asia starting their fast before the people of west Asia, and breaking their fast before them, because dawn breaks for the former before the latter, and the sun sets for the former before the latter.

 

Once this is established with regard to the times for starting and ending the daily fast, it also applies to the start and end of the monthly fast. There is no difference between them.

 

But if many regions come under the same government, and the ruler gives the command for the fast to start or end, then his command must be followed, because this is a matter of scholarly dispute but the command of the ruler dispels that dispute.

 

Based on the above, you should fast and break your fast along with the people of the country where you are living, whether that is in accordance with your country of origin or not. Similarly on the day of ‘Arafah you should follow the country where you are living.

 

Written by Muhammad al-Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen, 28/8/1420 AH.

 

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 19.

 

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I am confused sister Deeds. Your fatwa agrees that people's eid date changes depending on the moon - is that correct?

 

"Based on the above, you should fast and break your fast along with the people of the country where you are living, whether that is in accordance with your country of origin or not. Similarly on the day of ‘Arafah you should follow the country where you are living."

 

The country where I am living, celebrates Eid on the 31th of December. Therefor the day of Arafat must be today (the 30th) correct?

 

Thanks for sharing your knowledge

 

Mehmet

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I am confused sister Deeds. Your fatwa agrees that people's eid date changes depending on the moon - is that correct?

 

"Based on the above, you should fast and break your fast along with the people of the country where you are living, whether that is in accordance with your country of origin or not. Similarly on the day of ‘Arafah you should follow the country where you are living."

 

The country where I am living, celebrates Eid on the 31th of December. Therefor the day of Arafat must be today (the 30th) correct?

 

Thanks for sharing your knowledge

 

Mehmet

:sl:

 

Please do not deprive us from your salutations.

 

Yes, according to the fatwa, yaumul Arafat is the day preceding the Eid in your area.

 

Wassalam

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As salaam alaykum

 

Yes the fatwa does state that... you can follow your country and go by the sighting of the moon.

 

But I still see a difference between Ramadan and Hajj... Ramadan is everywhere across the globe, and Saudi Arabia doesn't hold the 'monopoly' of it, so to speak. So if they declare such day to be the first of Ramadan and in our country, we didn't see the crescent the same day, we are not obliged to follow them. They do it on their day, we do it on our day.

 

But Hajj (and not dhul hijjah) /Arafat happens only in Saudi Arabia. There is no Hajj in America, Europe or Asia. The pilgrims are in Saudi Arabia. So I find it a little odd, for example, to be fasting the day of Arafat when the pilgrims have already left the place and have even finished slaughtering their sheep's (depending on the time difference). Or to be slaughtering a sheep and celebrating Eid when the pilgrims are still on the mount Arafat or coming back from it.

 

To me, it is a strange feeling. I don't have the excuse of not knowing which day it is for the pilgrims because of modern technologies. So it's not like I don't know. This is my own personal point of view, that is not better nor worse than others.

 

The fatwa was for information and to clear my own understanding... and I felt with this we could best understand other point of views. Insha'Allah.

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As salaam alaykum

 

Yes the fatwa does state that... you can follow your country and go by the sighting of the moon.

 

But I still see a difference between Ramadan and Hajj... Ramadan is everywhere across the globe, and Saudi Arabia doesn't hold the 'monopoly' of it, so to speak. So if they declare such day to be the first of Ramadan and in our country, we didn't see the crescent the same day, we are not obliged to follow them. They do it on their day, we do it on our day.

 

But Hajj (and not dhul hijjah) /Arafat happens only in Saudi Arabia. There is no Hajj in America, Europe or Asia. The pilgrims are in Saudi Arabia. So I find it a little odd, for example, to be fasting the day of Arafat when the pilgrims have already left the place and have even finished slaughtering their sheep's (depending on the time difference). Or to be slaughtering a sheep and celebrating Eid when the pilgrims are still on the mount Arafat or coming back from it.

 

To me, it is a strange feeling. I don't have the excuse of not knowing which day it is for the pilgrims because of modern technologies. So it's not like I don't know. This is my own personal point of view, that is not better nor worse than others.

 

The fatwa was for information and to clear my own understanding... and I felt with this we could best understand other point of views. Insha'Allah.

 

 

:sl: sister.

 

Before I saw the fatwa, I shared your feelings exactly. But the point that Shaikh Uthaimin makes regarding a country that sights the moon one day before Saudi Arabia makes sense. We should fast on yaum al Arafah, but cannot fast on 10 Dhil Hijjah. Plus, it quotes ayah 2:185 of al-Baqarah, which is very relevant.

 

Wassalam

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