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no you didn't make yourself clear, girl.

you're being silly.

i agree to personality.

this thread is for the reasons of atheist to be like this.

this thread is not for you to come and say "oops i shouldn't be here". If you shold not be here then get out, don't post.

There are rules.

 

*sorry for going off topic Elidicious*

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PropellerAds

spammmmmmmmmmmmm!!! lol

Hira you spammer :sl:

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LeicesterFreeThinker and nasy , to sum things up I think that the legend of Sisyphus explain my point of view .

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spammmmmmmmmmmmm!!! lol

Hira you spammer :j:

double oopss :)

 

nasy

no you didn't make yourself clear, girl.

you're being silly.

i agree to personality.

this thread is for the reasons of atheist to be like this.

this thread is not for you to come and say "oops i shouldn't be here". If you shold not be here then get out, don't post.

There are rules.

 

oh i am a bad .. silly silly little girl

sowie.. :sl:

by the way, take it easy .. :sl:

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legend of Sisyphus explain my point of view
Ok atheist1

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i think what matters is that we're here.

Strange. aren't you curious to know who brought us here? i'd actually like to know the truth, but since i can't have it, i create my own idea.

everyone has his own ideas actually.

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Strange. aren't you curious to know who brought us here? i'd actually like to know the truth, but since i can't have it, i create my own idea.

everyone has his own ideas actually.

 

why do i have to be curious? lol...just kidding.

i never thought about that. i don't want to think about the past.

I live the "now" and all i can say is that i'm happy to be here.

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i don't want to think about the past.

it's not a matter of thinking about the past or not...it's a matter of thinking who you came here from.

anyway.

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Thanx for your answers nasy

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Dreaming?

oh so are we dreaming that we are also here?if we are dreaming the existance of God,then we are dreaming this whole life.we are in a dream.

 

i just wonder when we will wake up

 

EXACTLY, it is not possible to destroy or creat new energy, all energy that is present always was, it simply takes new forms. If you beleive in god and that all stems from god and that god is eternal than i would argue you accept this point. form results from attachment, attachment stems from desire, when we are separated from our desires desire causes suffering.

 

for example prior to eating the apple adam and eve did not know suffering because they had no desire. it was knowledge of self and obsession with self that caused their suffering. There is no self (no eternal Lars who is reborn as Lars) and yet the self is permanent, for what ever comprises "me" cannot be destroyed for it is immpossible to destroy energy. all is impermanent everything is always changing. once we free ourselves from this dream, once we are no longer attached to sensual pleasure we will cease to manifest in these endlessly born, endlessly aging, suffering, dieing husks that we call our bodies.

 

Salam.

-Lars.

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EXACTLY, it is not possible to destroy or creat new energy, all energy that is present always was, it simply takes new forms
. :sl:

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1- Why don't you believe in God?

I don't believe in an active God. As to weather or not one exists means little to me as it would have no influence in my life.

 

2- Who/What was the first influencial thing that made you not believe in God? I suppose when I took an interest in reading religious material (ironic eh?) I noticed alot of little questions that when I asked religious folks, always felt lacking

 

3- If God doesn't exist/or didn't create us--who do you think created us? I'd say just a lucky combination of elements sprinkled with mutations

 

4- You think God is a result of... what? An evolutionary trait based on the instinct to survive.

 

5- Aren't you afraid of the idea of not believing in God? That I am because despite what atheists argue, delusional happiness is perferable to no happiness

 

6- If you believed in God, do you think your life would be better now? Most likely

 

7- What do you think of people who believe in God? I envy them. Ignorance is bliss

 

8- Is there any chance for you to believe in God in the future? I seriously doubt it as certain knowledge is hard to undo

 

I'd like to mention that I've read several religious texts; Bible (just about every version +apocrapha), Qur'an + some controversial Islamic apocrapha, Rig Veda, Nordic, Egyptian and Greco-roman mythological texts etc.

 

Muslim friends may not like to hear this but although the Qur'an was a fun read, I still consider the Divine Comedy a better piece. Only book that ever made me feel religious in the slightest and an awsome read regardless of what you are.

 

Personally I believe (strong) atheists are a bit silly. They claim to be ridding God so ppl can see 'truth'. A shame 'truth' is relative and empirical data is intrinsically devoid of happiness. Higher human ideals become meaningless once youve done enough research. As I said earlier in my post, better delusional happiness than none.

 

My 2cents

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thanx for the answers isambard.

 

I envy them. Ignorance is bliss
What do you mean?

 

I'd say just a lucky combination of elements sprinkled with mutations
:sl: just like my dad thinks..lol... :sl:

 

Rig Veda, Nordic
What kind of religious text are these?

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delusional happiness is perferable to no happiness

one of the few things I envy religious people on :sl:

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thanx for the answers isambard.

 

What do you mean?

 

:sl: just like my dad thinks..lol... :sl:

 

What kind of religious text are these?

 

Lets assume you really enjoy McNuggets. Love the stuff! And now assume you found out the deep dark secret behind their creation......would you say you were happier before? :j:

 

As for your second pt. eh, I find creationism hard to swallow after taking some evolutionary biology classes.

 

The Rig Veda is a Hindu Text. a Very good read but also very Difficult. I believe it has up to 4 different creation accounts in the same book haha

As for Nordic Texts, one in particular im referring to is Prose Edda. It describes ancient stories of the Norse Religion (now mythology). The Norse btw are the vikings. Even if you arnt much into theologicals I suggest picking it up just because every fantasy and some sci-fi pieces (like Lord of the Rings) take their material directly from the Nordic Mythology.

 

I feel the need to change my last remark as it doesnt quite fit my views.

 

Happiness based on *delusional* premises is better than no happiness. (Yes humanists this includes you :no:)

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Happiness based on *delusional* premises is better than no happiness. (Yes humanists this includes you :sl:)

I agree. :sl: ...and so does Flames (Flames is an invisible dragon..my imaginary friend..)

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As for your second pt. eh, I find creationism hard to swallow after taking some evolutionary biology classes.
:sl: mmmmmm i see. i'd like to take some biological classes to....i've always been interested in biology..and i'm curious to know the way creationism it treated in there. interesting.

 

Happiness based on *delusional* premises is better than no happiness.
ok....i see people in here like this part very much...and i don't know what's there for so philosophic.

This is obvious. better delusional happiness then no at all. so what? of course it has to be like this...why? is there anyone else that thinks differently?

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one of the few things I envy religious people on
Why does it have to be only about religious people? i don't get it

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:sl: brothers and sisters in Islam

 

don't really have any better answers to the questions "who created matter and time" than you have to the question "who created God".

 

I don't think it's necessary for matter and time to have a creator, and you don't think it's necessary for God to have a creator.

 

The reason why it makes more sense that God created this world, and not just ''matter'', is because God thinks, and understands what He is doing, how He meant the universe to function- whereas matter by itself does not, because it is not a living being and does not have a brain to think, so an explosion that occured from it could not have coincidentially created such a fascinating world.

If a tornado passes by a junkyard, and whirls up scraps of metal and pieces, swirling them round and round, and then stops- would the result of it be a brand new car, new-looking and flawless? And perhaps with the engine running? No, it would not, it would be a worse mess than before. But if you got an engineer who specialises in building cars, he'll be able to do it, because he understands the function of cars and how to get them running etc.

In order for anything proper to be created, the creator needs to understand what he/it is doing and how, and not just mix and jumble up random materials and bang them together- the result would be a mess, and it would never be an amazing system that works wonderously.

You can't expect mere matter to create things in such detail, mountains, seas, rivers and streams from which we drink, plants, fruits and animal meat from which we eat, our bodies to work the way they do, our mind, our emotions- no more than you can expect a baby to build a house, with it's lavish rooms and furniture.

God, however, knows what He is doing, understands the structure of things. Yes, there was a gaseous mass, perhaps there was a ''Big Bang'', but it was all created by the Almighty Creator. But He was not created from anything.

Disbelievers are content with thinking that we were created by chance, from gases and masses, while believers know that we are here because God created us, and the rest of the universe. After all, how can mere matter accidentally create everything in this universe for the convenience of the living things in it, including ourselves, by chance? Oops, there's water- we can drink from it. Oops, there's the sun- humans, animals and plants see from its light, keep warm by its rays. Oops, there's oxygen- they can breathe from it too. Oops- there 's animal meat, vegetables and fruits we can eat from. Oops- a body system which just happens to be able to digest all these things for the convenience of the body. Lungs, which take in the oxygen which happens to be around by chance. The protein the body needs, which happen to be in the food we eat.

Ooopsy daisy.

Whatever anyone has to say, it makes far more sense to me that God, Allah, created this fascinating universe, than a random thingamabob.

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Why does it have to be only about religious people? i don't get it

the implication was that they live in a fantasy land that makes them very happy. Ofcourse you don't have to accept this but that is the reason ~ atleast for me.

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:sl: mmmmmm i see. i'd like to take some biological classes to....i've always been interested in biology..and i'm curious to know the way creationism it treated in there. interesting.

 

ok....i see people in here like this part very much...and i don't know what's there for so philosophic.

This is obvious. better delusional happiness then no at all. so what? of course it has to be like this...why? is there anyone else that thinks differently?

 

A (good) university/college class on evolution is neutral. It wont flat out discredit creationism but rather give you the facts to see the problems for yourself.

 

As for the seond part, my correction makes better sense I think. Happiness based on delusions as opposed to delusional happiness. The latter assumes an unbias happiness or true happiness w/o delusion, the former (and correct view) is that happiness *cannot* be attainted w/o an assumption which at its most basic lv would be a delusion.

 

FYI. Anti-theists and strong atheists argue that since happiness is based on delusional assumptions in theistic beliefs, then its wrong. Which i believe is silly because this formula applies to just about any self-empowerment and in the end serves to greater purpose

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You can't expect mere matter to create things in such detail, mountains, seas, rivers and streams from which we drink, plants, fruits and animal meat from which we eat, our bodies to work the way they do, our mind, our emotions-
totally agree. :sl:

I always think...that...this world and life is built in a perfect way..i mean...there are some rules you need to follow in order to live the life. and these rules aren't created by chance.

Everything's so real and there's not a fiction in this life. If people were created by chance, life would be a real imaginary story right now. Just as we were created by chance, the same way we would be in another side of the world by chance right now. if my whish is to go to the US right now...i need to buy the ticket and get the plane and stuff like that...because..there's nothing unreal in all this. But if i were created by chance...and my desire were to go to the Us right now, the only thing i had to say is "I want to go to the US" and after 1 sec i would find myself there. Why? because there would be no rule for me to follow in order to go to the US. But things don't work this way...because life has taught us that we need to make some efforts so that we can accomplish our desires. And these efforts were thought by God for us to make. So God knows what he's doing.

Or...my pet gave birth to some little doggies. they drink water...because they know what's called water...and they know what it is for. God gives us brain to use so that we can make it function when we come to life. No one taught the little dog to drink the water...but he knows he gotta drink it.

So that's why there can't be anything by chance.

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Muslima4Life,

 

You say that the reason why God must have created the Universe is because "God thinks and understands what He is doing."

 

Basically, you are saying that God must have created the Universe because the Universe is too complex to have been created by chance, i.e matter.

 

The problem I have with such an argument is that if it is true then there must have been a more complex being that created God. If you are arguing that the complexity of the Universe points to a creational entity then that entity must logically be at least equally, if not more, complex than the Universe it created. Thus, if it takes a thinking, complex entity (God) to create the Universe then what does it take to create God? And if God was not created but was simply there then it is just as feasible to say that the Universe was not created by choice but is simply there by chance.

 

 

Elidicious,

 

You say that "If people were created by chance life would be a real imaginary story right now."

 

Why? Just because something happens by chance does not mean it is not real. If I'm walking along and accidentally drop my keys at the precise moment that I am walking over a drain and they fall down said drain then this is just chance. It does not mean, however, that it does not happen. Similarly the creation of the Universe by chance does not suggest that it is not real.

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