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Chronicles Of Windows Vista Installation

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:sl: all,

 

So I finally installed vista on my laptop and here ill put up some accounts of what I encountered.

 

System specs: Compaq laptop, Amd Turion ML 28 [at] 1.6GHz, 768MB ram, Ati X200m video < main components >

 

1- The initial vista installation was noticeably faster than the countless xp installations i've done.. under ~25 mins since I put in the vista dvd, my machine was ready to use.

 

2- The new OS had 2 ? in the device manager; It didnt install my sound card nor my media card reader. I went to my compaq's site to see if they had any sound, media card drivers for vista and 1 out 2 I got lucky: they had media card drivers for vista but still no sound drivers for vista. So I downloaded the xp drivers for sound and installed that and its working fine! For the media card reader, compaq had appropriate drivers so I just downloaded those and it worked fine.

 

3- Windows Live Messenger didnt work! You can download and install this fine. But when you type in your user id and password and hit the "sign in" button, the msn man keeps moving but after 2mins you get a error msg saying unable to connect with an 8 something error code. Upon further investigaion, this is a known bug in vista for windows live messenger.

 

There are some troubleshooting steps we can do and I followed those and it worked. I just found it incredibly ironic that a windows product wouldn't work in a windows OS hahaha :sl:.. You can read more about that (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_amatterofdegree.typepad(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/a_matter_of_degree/2007/03/vista_windows_l.html"]here[/url].

 

>> No further updates.

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:sl: all,

 

Update: My logitech quickcam web doesnt work in vista :sl:.. i'm thinking reinstalling xp pro again :j:!! I tried many things to make it work but nothing works..

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what are major differences between vista and xp like i heard add and remove programs in control panel is removed etc is it correct?

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what are major differences between vista and xp like i heard add and remove programs in control panel is removed etc is it correct?
there are many differences to list here. Just do a quick google search and you'll see.

 

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man i got into a IT support job now and completed MCSA (with wind server 2003 and xp) and now this new software and then by time you master it another one will come :sl: thats IT :sl: !

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lol i just reinstalled xp pro on my machine hehee..

 

nah vista will be with us for a few years atleast man so u got time :sl:..

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vista can kiss my hairy behind. I'll go entirely to ubuntu before i install and use that '(you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetcl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html"]trusted computing[/url]' loaded anti-Christ Beast. :sl:

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Ubuntu is unstable.. atleast when I was using it when it first came out.. If you are into linux, id recommend suse and/or red hat as they are quite popular and they have a lot of user groups and all.

 

I actually use suse on occation :sl:.

 

But truth be told, i like vista, the aero interface is admittedly "cool" and i just wished they had more support for older hardware.

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Salam,

 

I find Ubuntu 6.10 to be quite stable...Can't wait for Feisty Fawn!!!!

And Ubuntu also has a huge community support.

If only Halo was playable on Ubuntu I would completely switch over....at the moment i always have to dual boot :sl:

Vista hogs like a big big big hogger in my laptop!

 

Wassalam,

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There is nothing too special about ubuntu lol.. its just another linux OS.. what do you say? Id rather stick with SUSE; you know tried, tested and true :sl:..

 

Yes ofcourse vista is a resource hog but you get some cool graphics in return. Its not all for waste. You can always disable all the eye candy and have vista look like basic windows and it should be fine.

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my first day of using windows vista..and cool new monitor.. :sl:

i'm trying figure my my way around..

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Anything PC related won't work cause everyone should use a mac :D

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salaam

sister truth :sl:

mac111 advice : everyone start using mac :sl:

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mac111 advice : everyone start using mac laugh.gif

 

Salam,

 

I don't understand whats wrong with PC's.

I have been using PC's for a very long time. And I have never encountered any sort of virus problem or BSOD or any kind of error. Sure Windows 98 was not that good of an OS. I had my share of problems in Win 98. But in XP i have never had any problems. I don't even use any anti-virus software!!!

U just have to be smart enough to goto safe websites only, or open emails from the people you know only, or only run softwars you know won't harm your computer.

 

I have use Macs myself. Sure they look nice with cool interfaces and eye-candy effects. But other than that they are just PC's with an Apple logo.

 

I tried Ubuntu mainly because it was free and I needed a change from the XP interface. Main attraction of Ubuntu or other linux distro's is the price. Once they get games running in linux, i am gonna SWITCH!!!

 

Just my 2 paise,

 

Wassalam

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Anything PC related won't work cause everyone should use a mac :D

:j:

 

You know when hackers write code to exploit code, why they pick on windows? the answer is simple: its because there are way more windows users than mac users and by exploiting all these pcs, the hackers actually get famous in their own little "hacker circles".. its like a pride thing! mac OS is not bullet proof.. the reason why there aren't many viruses for mac is for the reason i stated above.

 

Also I wonder if you know the so called "mac" uses technology built for "pcs" :sl: bet you didnt know that.. the sdram, ddr ram, ddr2 ram etc these are "pc parts"!

 

P.s. ever wonder why the new macs can run windows?? I'll tell you why.. its cause mac is losing a big chunck of the market to windows and they are losing out on money so they thought lets incorporate a cpu that can run windows so that way more of our products will be sold to people who are windows people but want to run mac OS.

 

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mac111 advice : everyone start using mac :sl:
Probably the reason why windows is popular is smart business strategy and its so user friendly.. :sl:..

 

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You know when hackers write code to exploit code, why they pick on windows? the answer is simple: its because there are way more windows users than mac users

 

Salam,

 

Well actually brother Hasib I kind of disagree to that statement. Mac OS X is based on BSD Unix OS which is up till today a very highly secure OS.

Hackers find it difficult to make a virus or worm or trojan for an OS based on BSD.

 

Why would a hacker waste days and days trying to make a virus for OS X when he can make a very dangerous one for Windows in hours.

 

Don't get me wrong, the fact that Windows has a huge market share does matter but the security of BSD Unix shouldn't be ignored.

 

Check this out:

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Wassalam

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:sl:

 

Yes but nothing is bullet proof.

 

If people wanted to they could write code that exploits vulnerabilities in mac OS. Its just that as you said, may be more challening, plus they also want to "reach out to a wider audience" :sl:.. But this shouldn't make mac users feel "safe" as that is just a false sense of security!

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lol....since when was owning a mac prestigious??? :sl:

 

its not a question of affording....its a question of common sense....why would i pay X$ for a mac, when i can get a pc MORE powerful than the mac which can do all the things that mac boasts about, very well PLUS can also play games in Y$ where Y<<X ???

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Your just jealous because you can't afford the prestige that is a MAC. :sl:

I can assure you 100% it has nothing to do with jealousy!

 

Did you read the bit about where I said, macs do in fact use pc technology inside the hood :no:..

 

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mac owners are evil sweatchop supporters...

 

 

Judging Apple Sweatshop Charge

06.13.06 | 2:00 AM

 

Leander Kahney

Cult of Mac

Steve Jobs' Think Different campaign celebrated labor leaders like Gandhi, who used strikes as a form of civil protest, and Ceasar Chavez, who organized poor, migrant farm workers. But a British newspaper at the weekend published a rather shocking report about the factories in China that make his company's iPods.

 

A report in the middlebrow Mail on Sunday entitled "iPod City" features photos and first-hand accounts from inside factories operated by Foxconn, a company contracted by Apple to assemble millions of iPods by hand.

 

According to the report (paraphrased here by Macworld UK), Foxconn's giant Longhua plant employs 200,000 workers, who work 15-hour days but are paid just $50 a month -- miserable even by China's standards. It claims they work and live in the plant, in dormitories housing 100 people, and outside visitors are forbidden.

 

The report says another plant that makes Apple's iPod shuffle in Suzhou, Shanghai, employs mostly women, because they are more trustworthy. Another factory is secured by Chinese police officers, the paper said.

 

Workers at these factories earn more -- about $100 a month -- but are not housed by the company. The paper says rent and living costs eat up about half the worker's salaries.

 

It should be no surprise that Chinese factory workers are low paid but the report makes conditions sound positively Dickensian.

 

The situation is too murky for a rush to judgment on Apple's ethics here, and it may well meet minimum global standards. But for a company that has staked its image on progressive politics, Apple has set itself up as a potential lightning rod on global labor standards. Sweatshops came back to bite Nike after its customers rose up in arms; and Apple can expect a similar grilling from its upscale Volvo-driving fans in the months ahead.

 

Tech companies' records in China are in the spotlight for a wide variety of human rights issues. Google and Yahoo have weathered a lot of criticism -- quite rightly -- for censoring search results and cooperating with the Chinese authorities cracking down on dissidents. I'm not nave enough to expect companies to behave morally like individuals, but I find Google's corporate mantra "Don't be evil" to be especially galling. They dropped that one pretty quick.

 

All of this should put Apple on notice that doing business in China in anything less than an exemplary fashion is a recipe for a PR disaster.

 

It's undisputed that most of Apple's products are made and assembled in China. In recent financial filings, Apple says most of its manufacturing is performed by third-party vendors in Taiwan, China, Japan, Korea and Singapore; and assembled in China.

 

"Final assembly of substantially all of the Company's portable products including MacBook Pro, iBooks and iPods is performed by third-party vendors in China," the report says.

 

Apple is just one of myriad companies using Chinese factories to make its products. And of course, it does so purely because of China's low wages and other costs.

 

The iPod is assembled by Inventec and Foxconn, two manufacturers headquartered in Taiwan that own factories in China and elsewhere. Foxconn is a trade name of Hon Hai Precision Industry, a $16 billion giant and one of the largest electronics manufacturers in the world, which makes everything from Playstations for Sony to iPods for Apple.

 

According to a BusinessWeek profile, Hon Hai employs about 100,000 people in China. It's hard to imagine the staff at the giant Longhua plant swelling to more than 200,000 workers, which would make it bigger than the city of Spokane, Washington, no matter how many iPods Apple sells.

 

Nicholas Lardy, a senior fellow at the pro-globalization International Institute for Economics, said Hon Hai has an "excellent reputation." He says factories in China operated by big global companies like Hon Hai are very different from smaller, indigenous operations. International giants usually enforce the same work practices in China as they do in other parts of Asia, or Europe and United States, according to Lardy.

 

Lardy said he had no specific knowledge of Hon Hai's facilities, but plants he's visited in China run by competitors like Jabil Circuits could be located in the United States or Europe.

 

"Other companies' factories are pristine," he said. "They could be anywhere."

 

However, Dan Viederman, executive director of Verit, a non-profit social research firm, said that while Chinese factories in the high-tech sector often comply to international standards on issues like the handling of toxic substances, they fall short on labor practices.

 

Viederman said Chinese manufacturers are getting better at environmental issues thanks to tough laws in countries where the goods are sold, like the European Union's directive on eliminating toxins in electronics. But in other areas -- especially labor law -- they are lagging.

 

"We see endemically excessively long hours, health and safety violations, underpayment of wages or overtime premiums," he said. "Also, there's no labor unions."

 

China Labor Watch says one of the most serious labor issues in China is the inability of workers to organize.

 

"The root of abuse is the knowledge on the part of both governments and companies that, no matter how workers are treated or what they are paid, investment will continue to pour in and goods to pour out," the site says.

 

Christopher Foss, spokesman for Social Accountability International, a non-profit human-rights organization, said the technology industry is starting to get a reputation for poor overseas labor practices.

 

In the past, sweatshops were associated with certain industries like apparel, food and mineral extraction, but as technology requires more low-skill assemblers than highly-trained manufacturers, it's starting to get a bad rep, he said.

 

"There's a lot of menial tasks in sub-par positions," he said. "It used to be high tech was well trained and well paid, but it's the same race to the bottom. There are problems now emerging in the technology sector."

 

However, Foss said at least one of Hon Hai's facilities has been certified to the SAI's SA8000 labor standard, which is based on principles established by the International Labour Organization and the United Nations. "The facility has recently been found to be free of basic human rights violations based on ILO and U.N. norms," he said.

 

That may be so, but Apple needs to not only meet minimum standards, but set an example by exceeding them. It's the right thing to do of course, but it's also smart business--something Jobs should surely understand. For Apple's demographic -- well-heeled urbanites -- human rights and labor practices are, presumably, important matters. They buy fair-trade coffee, but iBooks and iPods are not an issue?

 

Not yet, but there's every reason to believe they will be.

 

Apple didnt respond to requests for comment.

 

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also, the OS is hideously cute, it makes me want to puke. :sl:

 

 

peace and Love :sl:

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