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I wish to contribute a few thoughts on this topic of Islam spreading by the "Sword" rather than continue on a debate which usually takes place and most of the time it's useless arguements. So here is the case...

 

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. " (Qur'an 2:256)

 

1. What Invasion took place in Indonesia that it is now the most populated Muslim country in the world?

 

2. What Invasion took place in places like Malaysia where it has now become a Muslim country?

 

3. Who invaded the Monguls, possibly the most feared Empire ever, which later "fell" to Islam? (The Mongul Emperor who invaded Baghdad became a Muslim...)

 

4. Why is it that 80% of India are full of Hindus today? If Islam was barbaric and spread by the sword shouldn't all nations under Islam "force" the people to accept or die (an image of 12th Century Crusades which apparently still exists amongst some)?

 

5. Numerous examples showed that since the time of the Prophet Muhammad (saw), War was forced on the Muslims. Not just from the Pre-Islamic Arabs but even the Byzantine Empire which first invaded but failed under Emperor Heraclus.

 

6. What about men like Moinudeen Chisti (ra) who travelled to India and with his faith brought 9 million to Islam? One man couldn't simply conquer 9 million all on his own now can he unless he was Superman with a sword?

 

7. Is Islam spreading by the sword today? Why is it the most successful Religion in the world (in terms of Converts)? Sure it may be the second largest, fastest growing (of course population should be taken accounted for too) but why are even Westerners coming to Islam?

 

The real question is how was the Islamic Civlization back a thousand years ago under the rule of a large land from Spain to North Africa to Russia to India? When you look back you find the most advanced civilization in the world at that time. A world that did embrace all sorts of knowledge from the fields of Science (eg. Earth was "round", it was first realized in the Qur'an, way before the "Columbus-Fantasy") the fields of Medicine (modern practice originated from the civilization, things like eye surgery is a great example), the fields of technology, mathematics, Greek knowledge was learned when it was rediscovered in the 9th century etc.

 

This doesn't mean necessarily that all Islamic leaders were perfect, of course not. It's like saying was every American President for the people? Unfortunately this world collapsed from economic and foriegn invasions which is why you have issues in the 21st Century.

 

The Western World very much likes to ignore the contribution of the Islamic Civlization. But you can easily find influence in part of the Western World from the muswak (tool to brush your teeth) to even our graduation caps when we graduate from High School or College (It was an Ottoman Sufi tradition, the "beads of string" that pops out of the cap was used to remind the Sufis of God's awareness).

 

Unfortunately most people don't want to hear things like this, they just love to have the image of "an Islamic Civilization" who were a people that wore turbans, danced around yelling out and carrying swords ready to kill and invade other countries and force people into Islam and who hated to learn and were backwards and all they do is beat their wives and oppress everyone and...yah you get the picture.

 

I recommend watching "Empire of Faith" on PBS and the "Legacy of Muhammad" another PBS special, you can learn some valuable information of history, if you are interested that is.

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to answer point 4

 

Most of the muslims moved to pakistan or bangladesh leaving a majority of hindus behind.

 

Surprisingly simple to answer eh?

 

Im sure most of ur other points have equaly simple answers.

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to answer point 4

 

Most of the muslims moved to pakistan or bangladesh leaving a majority of hindus behind.

 

Surprisingly simple to answer eh?

 

Im sure most of ur other points have equaly simple answers.

 

That isn't an answer? The Mughal Empire ruled the Indian-Sub-Continent for centuries my friend before the British conquered, why weren't the Hindus wiped out completely beforehand if all Islam did was spread by the sword or put to death?

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you can use examples like indonesia as much as you like, but really you have to look at history and reality.

 

the arab armies attacked and occupied by force the arabian peninsula, the levant, north africa, iberia. this you cannot deny.

 

the noble acheivements of science by the arab empire, are noble and should be appreciated, but you have to look at them from the perspective of history.

the arabs didn't aquire all scientific knowledge from scratch, but build upon exisiting knowledge, and are thus a link in the chain in terms of the scientific knowledge that we have today.

for people to make such arragont claims about the scientific acheivements of arabs as if they built the foundation of the scientific knowledge that we have today.....well it sounds like nothing more than racsist arab-supremacy.

 

humility and objectivity is needed in interpreting this history.

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Islams rapid spread can be traced to the conquests by Muslims of so many areas. There are exceptions, but that does not mean that the rest is not true.

 

In other words, just because Islam was not forced on Indonesia does not mean it was not forced in other parts of the world.

 

There were areas also, like Spain and Sicily, in which Muslims ruled for extended periods of time and never became more than a small minority.

 

Would Islam have spread so quickly if they had not invaded Egypt, Persia, The Byzantine Empire, North Africa, Spain, India, etc.? Of course not. Their continual invading and conquering of their neighbors was the major reason that Islam spread so fast.

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to answer point 4

 

Most of the muslims moved to pakistan or bangladesh leaving a majority of hindus behind.

 

Surprisingly simple to answer eh?

 

Im sure most of ur other points have equaly simple answers.

 

I was born in Bangladesh and studied history for ten years. According to the Bengali history, majority of the Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh are not from India. They were there long before India and Pakistan got separated. Only a small proportion of the Indian Muslim population moved to Pakistan and Bangladesh after India became independent. India always was a Hindu state (even in the presence of several Muslim leaders throughout past centuries). If you are still in doubt, please find me some contrary evidences. I can provide you tons of evidence of what I said though they would be in Bengali language or located in some boring museums in Bangladesh.

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Pakistan and bangledesh were both part of india b4 the split, so any muslims there b4 the split were still in india.

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to answer point 4

 

Most of the muslims moved to pakistan or bangladesh leaving a majority of hindus behind.

 

Surprisingly simple to answer eh?

 

Im sure most of ur other points have equaly simple answers.

 

 

Can you answer the rest? :D

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Can you answer the rest?

 

Yes, easily.

 

Points 1, 2, and 3 are moot. Noone is claiming that Islam was spread everywhere by the sword, but simply that it has happened.

 

Points one and two used flawed logic in this sense. That would be like trying to claim that car accidents do not occur because you have two friends that have never been in one.

 

Point 5 is also moot. The United States has been attacked, does that mean that the United States has never attacked anyone else? Certainly not.

 

Point 6.... St Patrick went to Ireland and almost single handedly converted Ireland to Christianity. Paul was spreading Christianity during the Roman Empire when it was illegal, and he died because of it, yet Christianity spread until it became the official religion of Rome. Does that mean, in any way, that Christianity was never spread by the sword? Most certainly not. (also note that Chisti did his work under Muslim rule in India. Muslim rule created by invading and conquering that land.)

 

Point 7... No, Islam is not being spread by the sword today. We are referring to the past when we say that.

 

We are referring to when Muslim nations attacked Persia, Greece, Egypt, North Africa, Spain, Asia Minor, Armenia, etc. and forced a government on these people that favored Muslims, thereby causing many to convert. It forced a government on these people that allowed slavery, but did not allow Muslims to be slaves. They taxed non-Muslims at a higher rate than Muslims (and if you don't believe this then you have been taught incorrectly).

 

So no, rarely was a person faced with the decision of converting or dying, but Muslim came with their swords and conquered unrelentingly a large portion of the world. That is what is meant when people say Islam was spread by the sword and that fact is simply irrefutable.

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If Islam was spread through sword, the if there is compulstion, why there are christians in egypt even today....

thats even after muslims invaded egypt...

Why we had to attack them... there is some reason... i hope some brother or sister mentions is clearly

 

and GOD knows best

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Because the muslim governments needed money. Non-muslims paid higher taxes.

 

Muslims are not of those who have a worldly intention like atheists and they were not crazy for money. By the way, you have no evidence for what you said.

Moreover, if they wanted money they can reach it easily, as you know arabs were great merchants.

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Muslims are not of those who have a worldly intention like atheists and they were not crazy for money. By the way, you have no evidence for what you said.

Moreover, if they wanted money they can reach it easily, as you know arabs were great merchants.

Therefore, it couldn't possibly be true, right? The muslim government of the time was so enlightened, it could never succumb to corruption.

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"Because the muslim governments needed money. Non-muslims paid higher taxes."

 

sounds like Islam really supports racial equality

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If Islam was spread through sword, the if there is compulstion, why there are christians in egypt even today....

 

The question to ask is not why there are Christians today, but why so many converted to Islam in the past in Egypt.

 

A major part of the reason was that Muslims had conquered their nation. They then put in place laws making life easier if you converted to Islam. If you were a slave and converted you were set free. If you were Muslims you paid lower taxes. If you were Muslim you had more oppurtunities when it came to business and government positions.

 

So, I'll say it again, rarely were non-Muslims told to convert or die, but they were coerced into becoming Muslim by the Muslims government that had conquered them.

 

Saying Islam was spread by the sword does not mean that everyone was given the option to convert or die. It simply means that it was the military conquests of Muslims that caused Islam to spread so fast.

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A world that did embrace all sorts of knowledge from the fields of Science (eg. Earth was "round", it was first realized in the Qur'an, way before the "Columbus-Fantasy")

 

Plato teached in his school that the earth was spherical. That was about 1000 years before the "Quran-Fantasy".

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Yes, the "Earth is round" theory was around for quite a while before the Quran. The Greeks even came pretty close to accurately measuring it.

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I wish to contribute a few thoughts on this topic of Islam spreading by the "Sword" rather than continue on a debate which usually takes place and most of the time it's useless arguements. So here is the case...
Assalam Alaikum

Hope Non-Muslims should understand these points.

Jazaak Allah Khair for sharing Informative thread.

May Allah (SWT) reward you & guide all of us on the right path.. ameen

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Muslims are not of those who have a worldly intention like atheists and they were not crazy for money. By the way, you have no evidence for what you said.

Moreover, if they wanted money they can reach it easily, as you know arabs were great merchants.

 

 

IF they didn't care about money, how could they have become great merchants?

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IF they didn't care about money, how could they have become great merchants?

 

earning money in a legal way is not a sin but start a war just to earn money is prohibited in Islam. Muslims got permission to ' fight back' after long 13 years of opression.

 

 

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the west & other places in the world .

U believe , Muslims are forcing western people to embrace Islam ? Hahaha, very funny. See the thread , rise of Islam will continue or Famous Converts

 

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u will see how non-Muslims are embracing Islam.

 

listen to our famous reverts....they now sing for Islam.

 

Yusuf Islam

 

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Can u give me name of Prominent Islamic scholars who left Islam ? I can give u dozens of Jewish/ Christian personalities who became Muslims.

 

Why u people always relate religion with crime when something bad is done by Muslim & u totally ignore religion when horrible crimes are done by non-Muslims?

 

 

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The label of Catholic terror was never used about the IRA

 

 

 

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The Qur'an prohibits aggressive warfare, permits war only in self-defence and insists that the true Islamic values are peace, reconciliation and forgiveness.

 

 

 

It also states firmly that there must be no coercion in religious matters, and for centuries Islam had a much better record of religious tolerance than Christianity. Islamic law outlaws war against any country in which Muslims are allowed to practice their religion freely, and forbids the use of fire, the destruction of buildings and the killing of innocent civilians in a military campaign.

 

So although Muslims, like Christians or Jews, have all too often failed to live up to their ideals, it is not because of the religion per se.

 

 

 

We rarely, if ever, called the IRA bombings "Catholic" terrorism because we knew enough to realise that this was not essentially a religious campaign. Indeed, like the Irish republican movement, many fundamentalist movements worldwide are simply new forms of nationalism in a highly unorthodox religious guise.

 

 

This is obviously the case with Zionist fundamentalism in israel and the fervently patriotic Christian right in the US.

 

 

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Muslims got permission to ' fight back' after long 13 years of opression.

 

Were they being oppressed by the Egyptians and the Persians and the Spanish and all of North Africa and France? Or were they simply in the mood for conquest?

 

Why u people always relate religion with crime when something bad is done by Muslim & u totally ignore religion when horrible crimes are done by non-Muslims?

 

Because all too often Muslims commit their crimes in the name of their religion. They use their religion as the reasoning behind their action. In cases like this it is impossible to separate the religion from the act.

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Because all too often Muslims commit their crimes in the name of their religion. They use their religion as the reasoning behind their action. In cases like this it is impossible to separate the religion from the act.

 

Simply because someone uses religion as a reason to kill mindlessly does not place the blame on the religion.

 

It would be like condemning all cops because some maniac stole a police uniform and went around arresting everyone in sight.

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:D How many times has someone stolen a police uniform and gone around arresting everyone? Has that ever happened? I've certainly never heard of it.

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