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Violence against women and the rise of ‘torture ######’

 

By Kira Cochrane

 

STANDFIRST- Mainstream movies are getting darker and more violent. And as Quentin Tarantino’s latest project, Grindhouse, demonstrates, the worst of the violence is often directed at women. Kira Cochrane on the rise of ‘torture ######’

 

Talking about his upcoming film Hostel II at a press junket recently, the young director Eli Roth couldn’t contain his enthusiasm for the poster devised by the film’s marketing team - a close-up of some sinewy, gleaming boar meat. “Any time people see women in a horror film,†he noted, “they say, ’Oh, these girls are just pieces of meat.’ And, literally, in Hostel Part II, that’s exactly what they are. They are the bait, they are the meat, they are the grist for the mill. So I thought it was actually a really smart poster... and really, really disgusting! I love it.â€

 

Unless you have a taste for seriously gory films, chances are you haven’t heard of Roth. Last year, though, the first instalment of Hostel - the story of a Slovakian boarding house where rich men pay to enact tortures on unwitting victims - was a massive hit, topping the US box office on its opening weekend. The trailer promised that, â€There is a place where your darkest, sickest fantasies are possible, where you can experience anything you desire,†and the film strove to live up to that promise. Hostel’s most famous scene shows a man taking a blowtorch to a woman’s face, her eyeball coming out and dangling from the socket. Later, another character snips it off with some scissors.

 

Horror films have, of course, always been full of nasty, misanthropic imagery. In many other films, extreme, sexualised violence against women has frequently been a theme (Clockwork Orange, Boxing Helena and many others spring to mind). But recently the levels of horrific violence on show at the multiplexes - and the sheer cynicism of the films involved - have gone through the roof. And a lot of the most nasty, unrepentant and terrifyingly pointless violence is aimed at women. At least Clockwork Orange had a political point to make. (There can be no excuses for Boxing Helena.)

 

Hostel is just part of a new subgenre of horror films which are so dehumanising, nasty and misogynist that they are collectively known either as “gorno†(a conflation of “gory†and “######â€), or, more commonly, as “torture ######â€. Other films that make it into the torture ###### category are Wolf Creek, Turistas and The Devil’s Rejects, with each new film promising higher levels of violence - guaranteeing not just a considerable body count, but long, lingering scenes of terror, torture and pain.

 

In most of these films, both men and women end up being sliced, gored, dismembered, decapitated. In that sense they offer audiences equal-opportunity gore. But it’s the violence against women that’s most troubling, because it is here that sex and extreme violence collide.

 

The publicity campaigns for many of these films flag up the prospect of watching a nubile young woman being tortured as a genuinely pleasurable experience. So, for instance, a recent US billboard campaign for the upcoming (mainstream) film Captivity featured the film’s star Elisha Cuthbert (just voted the 10th sexiest woman in the world by the young male readers of FHM magazine) in a series of four photographs. In the first (labelled ABDUCTION) a black-gloved hand covers her mouth. The second (CONFINEMENT) shows her, with bloody fingers, struggling to get out of a cage. The third (TORTURE) has her face encased in an odd white mask, tubes shoved up her nose, and apparently filled with blood. Finally, under the word TERMINATION, she is shown laid out, apparently dead.

 

The billboard attracted a barrage of complaints, with Jill Soloway (one of the writers of Six Feet Under) leading a campaign against it - the poster was soon taken down. In a piece on the Huffington Post website, Soloway wrote that the images were “the most repulsive, horrifying, woman-hating, human-hating thing I have ever seen in public†and didn’t just represent “horror, this wasn’t just misogyny... It was a grody combo platter of the two, the torture almost a punishment for the sexiness. It had come from such a despicable inhuman hatred place that it somehow managed to recall Abu Ghraib, the Holocaust, ###### and snuff films all at once.†Joss Whedon, creator of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV series, agreed, writing in a letter to the MPAA, the US ratings board, that the ad campaign “is not only a literal sign of the collapse of humanity, it’s an assault... this ad is part of a cycle of violence and misogyny that takes something away from the people who have to see it. It’s like being mugged.â€

 

Many of today’s torture ###### films are being made on tiny budgets by little-known directors, but with the release of the new Tarantino/Rodriguez double-bill, Grindhouse - designed as a tribute to the ultra-violent B-movie programmes of old - the trend officially reaches the mainstream. Made up of two films plus a clutch of trailers for non-existent movies, Grindhouse bombed when it was released in the US last month. American audiences were said to have been put off by the three-hour running time, and last week it was announced that Grindhouse will be released in a different format in the UK, the two films sold as separate features. Whether either film is any good is still up for debate - I, for one, found them both suicidally boring. What isn’t in question is the disturbing attitude towards women in these films.

 

First on the programme is Robert Rodriguez’s Planet Terror, a repetitively gory, gloomily depressing zombie picture, which opens with Rose McGowan pole dancing. There are close ups of her bottom and breasts in those initial scenes, and then she appears to be kissing another woman. In a feature about Grindhouse in Rolling Stone last month (APRIL), Rodriguez noted that, “When we started talking about the movie, Quentin said, ’There should always be a lesbian kiss just around the corner - possibly.’ I took that to heart, and in my very first scene, I have two female tongues going at each other and licking. You find out that it’s Rose licking a mirror, but it gets across the idea that it could be around the corner at any time.â€

 

So far, so predictable. It isn’t surprising that the film’s main female character is a go-go dancer - Rodriguez is, after all, the director who made Sin City, in which the female characters ran the gamut from prostitutes to strippers. But having established McGowan’s sexiness, in Planet Terror, the attacks on her begin. First a zombie rips off McGowan’s leg, and then Tarantino (playing a zombie soldier called Rapist Number One) holds a gun to her head, before threatening her with rape. You can currently buy a Rapist Number One action figure online for your kids, should you so wish.

 

Then there’s Tarantino’s Death Proof, in which Kurt Russell stars as Stuntman Mike, a guy who gets his kicks from stalking groups of gorgeous young women, following them in his car and ramming whatever vehicle they happen to be travelling in, until they are dead. Severed limbs and bloodied faces abound. Interestingly, of all the women actors in Grindhouse, McGowan is the only one to appear in both films, and, while she survives Planet Terror (fitting the age-old horror archetype of the “final girl†who persists to the end - usually, it seems, to help justify the misogyny that has gone before) this triumph is short-lived. In Death Proof, McGowan’s character is swiftly - gruesomely - dispatched. (In that same Rolling Stone feature, McGowan talked about her own attitude towards today’s horror films, saying that, “all they do now is think about ways to torture women, primarily. I don’t really get that. What is this, a manual for young, budding serial killers? Can’t we just go watch Pillow Talk?â€)

 

Some of the nastiest images in Grindhouse arise in the fake trailers. Rob Zombie, director of The Devil’s Rejects, creates one for a dream project - Werewolf Women of the SS - which includes the image of a topless woman, bound and gagged, being tortured by cartoonish Nazi soldiers. And Eli Roth - him again! - packs a host of sex and gore into his three-minute trailer for a potential film called Thanksgiving, including an image of a cheerleader peeling off her clothes while bouncing on a trampoline, before apparently being impaled with a large, gleaming knife - through the vagina, no less. (Horrifying though this is, it isn’t actually original - the 2005 film Chaos showed a woman being anally raped with a knife.)

 

Unsurprisingly, the cheerleader scene in Grindhouse attracted some attention from the MPAA, the US ratings board, and Roth was forced to change it, to make the imagery much more suggestive than explicit. Addressing this at the American press junket for Grindhouse, he commented that “when I shot that trailer for Thanksgiving, I really thought there was no problem with anything - it just shows you how genuinely out of touch I am! I was like... a full frontal labial shot, to camera, of a girl landing on a knife seemed like no problem to me... “

 

Of course, maybe Roth’s just trying to be funny - his tone is gleeful throughout this interview (a transcript and audio version of which can be found on a number of film websites). Later in the interview he says: “Let me tell you, I heard that Stanley Kubrick did a lot of takes on Eyes Wide Shut, it was nothing compared to the amount of takes we did once we had that cheerleader naked and bouncing around on a trampoline! I mean, she was great, she got it on the first take, but we did take, after take, after take! And we finished early and we had like three hours, and we’re like, ’Well, how much film do we have?’ And we’re like, ’All right, let’s... let’s do it again!’ And she just had a smile on her face the whole time.â€

 

Grindhouse is, in many ways, a cartoon, and its intersection of sex and violence is meant to be ironic, funny even. It makes multiple nods to parody and pastiche. I’m not so sure that British audiences will share the directors’ humour though. As one of the stars of Planet Terror, the British actor Naveen Andrews, has said on the subject of the B-movie films Grindhouse is based on: “Obviously, Quentin and Rodriguez saw some kind of aesthetic in these kinds of films, and for the life of me I was trying to grasp what it was. They were laughing like maniacs and I didn’t find it funny for more than like a minute.â€

 

Over the years, many directors have defended the violence in their films by claiming that it’s ironic. But is an image of a nubile woman having her innards pulled out - as occurs in Planet Terror - any less problematic because it has been made in a knowing way? You could argue that it’s more problematic. Irony - with its inherent insincerity - can be an emotionally deadening tool, and, in terms of their content, these films are already deadening, de-sensitising enough. The irony just adds another layer of soul-sucking cynicism to the mix.

 

Watching Grindhouse, I felt fundamentally depressed: who would seek out this experience as entertainment? What is more depressing is the fact that such films seem to be part of a wider trend towards the mainstream depiction of women as highly sexualised bait and prey: meat, as Roth had it. Over the past year, for example, we’ve seen mainstream fashion images that have shown highly made up, designer- clad women being brutalised (Italian Vogue), apparently about to be gang raped (a Dolce and Gabbana ad), and shot, stabbed and electrocuted (America’s Next Top Model). On shows such as CSI and its many spin-offs and imitators, the victims of each weekly murder case are, disproportionately, nubile young women. Lisa de Moraes of the Washington Post came up with an apt shorthand for such series in 2005, dubbing that year’s programmes the “season of Die, Women, Die!â€.

 

Of course, watching one of these films won’t turn a sane, decent individual into a killer or a torturer, but you have to wonder what effect this widespread meshing of sexuality and graphic violence will have on the young men at whom they are primarily aimed. The clear logic behind all these films, TV shows and images appears to be that if a young, good-looking, barely-clad woman is sexy while alive, she’s even sexier when she’s being tortured, or when she’s a bloody corpse.

 

In an article in Newsweek last year, Tony Timpone, editor of the horror magazine Fangoria, commented that “in 1990, I had to pull my hair out just to find a movie to put on the cover. There were only three or four major horror releases a year. Now there are three or four a month. We’re like pigs in slop.†That’s not a bad way of putting it.

 

Guardian News

 

I AM AGAINST '######"

 

WOMEN ARE NOT SEX OBJECTS , THEY ARE EQUALLY RESPECTABLE HUMAN BEINGS [using large font size is not allowed]

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Brazil links israeli consul to child prostitution

 

Reuters

Updated 11:55 AM ET July 5, 2000

 

RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - Brazilian police suspect an israeli diplomat of hosting child prostitution sessions after finding pictures of nude teen-age girls taken at his apartment, police said Wednesday.

 

Police began a hunt for israel's administration consul to Rio de Janeiro, Arie Scher, Tuesday and the israeli government said it was recalling the middle-ranking diplomat to investigate whether he was innocent or guilty.

 

Following a young girl's testimony, police arrested a Hebrew teacher at his home early Tuesday where they found pictures of nude girls taken in the diplomat's apartment. In other photos, where everybody was fully dressed, Scher appeared embracing the same girls.

 

"We confirmed that the pornographic pictures were taken next to the consul's pool and on his deck," said Roberto Costa, a chief investigator for the civil police. "We are going to charge him with exploiting minors and prostituting them."

 

Police believe Scher is hiding out in the israeli Consulate in Rio.

 

Foreign Minister David Levy told israel's Army Radio, "I don't know if he is guilty, if he is innocent. The first thing is we need to bring him home and an investigation has to be conducted."

 

The israeli Embassy in Brasilia said it would not comment on the case until it had further details.

 

Police said a young girl testified that she was filmed and photographed by the teacher, Georges Schteinberg, having sex with israeli tourists. She also claimed that Scher participated in some of the sessions, without explaining what his role was.

 

In Schteinberg's home, police said they found 12 videos, Internet messages and 154 pictures, including the shots of naked girls in Scher's apartment.

 

Rio de Janeiro has the highest rate of child prostitution in Brazil. Workers at hotels and restaurants along world-famous Copacabana beach often offer to provide clients with teenage prostitutes.

 

NOTE: Jerusalem Post, also had a news article on this story. It was published in its Internet edition, on July 6, 2000. Note that the Jewish diplomat escaped Brazilian justice by escaping to the Jewish state of israel.

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Brazilian police stake out diplomat accused of running kiddie-###### ring

By Eli Muller and News Agencies

 

JERUSALEM (July 6) - Brazilian police continued to surround the israeli consulate in Rio de Janeiro in the belief that israeli vice-consul in Rio Aryeh Scher, wanted on suspicion of running a child pornography ring, had taken refuge there. However Foreign Ministry officials said Scher has been en route to israel for the past two days.

 

Scher, who was at one point consul-general in Rio, was declared a fugitive by Brazilian authorities after a search of his apartment on Tuesday yielded what police officials described as evidence it was used for the manufacture of pornographic material, some of them involving underage girls.

 

The investigation that culminated in the search of Scher's apartment began when a 17-year-old girl accused Georges Schteinberg, a 40-year-old Hebrew teacher of using her as a model in pornographic pictures and of distributing them on the Internet. Photographs of nude minors posed on a car with diplomatic plates were discovered in a search of Schteinberg's residence earlier in the week, in addition to massive quantities of pornographic material. Police then traced the car in the pictures back to Scher.

 

The search of Scher's apartment confirmed that some of the photographs found at Schteinberg's residence had been taken in the vice-consul's penthouse.

 

Schteinberg, who is also alleged to have run a service that brought tourists to Brazil to visit child prostitutes, has since been charged with sexual exploitation of minors.

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###### is big nuisance especially when some males who have been addicted to see woman shown as sex objects in those movies they see each and every woman with same eyes then :sl:

 

All descent people regardless of religion should come to common platform and get rid of this ###### industry

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i agree, tarantino is a sociopath.

 

 

Peace and love. :sl:

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###### is big nuisance especially when some males who have been addicted to see woman shown as sex objects in those movies they see each and every woman with same eyes then :sl:

 

All descent people regardless of religion should come to common platform and get rid of this ###### industry

 

Seeing as prostituion is perhaps the worlds second oldest proffession I say goodluck :sl:

 

As for the article i call ##, either that or the author is a moron. This genre has been around a loooong time and trust me, movies like Hostel are like watching peewee's playhouse in comparison Some examples

 

*Warning, very disturbing*

-120 Days of Sodom, book written in 1784 and later made into a movie (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/120_days_of_Sodom"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/120_days_of_Sodom[/url]

 

-Cannibal Holocaust, a 1980 movie with real animal slaughter (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Cannibal_Holocaust"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Cannibal_Holocaust[/url]

 

-Guinea Pig film series of the 80s where all it is is watching somebody graphically tortured for an hr or so and even accused of being a real snuff film because of the realism (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Guinea_Pig_%28film_series%29"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Guinea_Pig_%28film_series%29[/url]

 

-Manhunt, 2003 videogame where objective is to kill ppl in very brutal ways and are rewarded with graphic videos of your deed (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Manhunt_%28video_game%29"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Manhunt_%28video_game%29[/url]

 

-Postal a series of controversial videogames where the objective is to annoy you to much where you kill everyone on the screen. (Aimed at being very lifelike in terms of situation) (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Manhunt_%28video_game%29"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Manhunt_%28video_game%29[/url]

 

What about *real* snuff films?

-Al-Queda filming ppl being decappitated over the internet (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Al-Queda#Internet_activities"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Al-Queda#Internet_activities[/url]

 

-JFK assassination being shown countless times

 

(You get the picture)

 

This sort of thing is not limited to women and has been around for a very very long time. Just thing back to the thousands who come to tgether to watch christians get eaten by wild animals in the collusiem. Or the folks that would congregate and cheer over seeing someone beheaded or hanged. Id say humans have in innate desire to see pain and suffering of others. They are drawn to spilled blood. This little songs gives you the idea

 

Tool-Vicarious

I own the tv

Cause tragedy thrills me

Whatever flavor it happens to be like

Killed by the husband

Drowned by the ocean

Shot by his own son he used to poison

 

And in his dream

He kissed him goodbye

That's my kind of story

It's no fun 'til someone dies

 

Don't look me at like I am a monster

Frown out your one face

But with the other

Stare like a junkie into the TV

Stare like a zombie

 

While the mother holds her child

Watches him die

Hands to the sky crying

Why, oh why?

 

Cause I need to watch things die

From a distance

Vicariously I live while the whole world dies

You all need it too, don't lie

 

Why can't we just admit it?

Why can't we just admit it?

We won't give pause until the blood is flowing

Neither the brave nor bold

Were writers the stories told

We won't give pause until the blood is flowing

 

I need to watch things die

From a good safe distance

Vicariously I live while the whole world dies

You all feel the same, so

 

Why can't we just admit it?

 

Blood like rain come down

Drawn by grave and mound

 

Part vampire

Part warrior

Carnivore and voyeur

Still have the transmitter

Sink to the death rattle

 

La, la, la, la, la, la-la-lie

 

Credulous at best

Your desire to believe in

Angels in the hearts of men

But pull your head on out

Your head please

And give a listen

Shouldn't have to say it all again

 

The universe is hostile, so impersonal

Devour to survive so it is,

So it's always been

 

We all feed on tragedy

It's like blood to a vampire

 

Vicariously I...

Live while the whole world dies

Much better you, than I

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no isembard:

 

"ask not for whom the bell tolls,

it tolls for thee."

 

it has been demonstrated, by programs run in prisons by buddhists (the Vipassana sect), by humanists (the rehabilitation programs in scandinavian prisons), and almost certainly by christians and moslems (although i don't have any specific knowledge of them), then even people who have committed the most brutal crimes can come to realise the error of their ways, of the wrongness of viewing others as simply 'meat' to be abused by the powerful, of enjoying the pain and suffering of others.

 

Indeed, some humans have even evolved so much they now extend their compassion and empathy over non-human creatures.

 

the mindset you propose, it comes about because of a lack of true moral teachings and guidance, humans can be molded for both good or evil, that does not make the evil acceptable nor 'natural'.

 

mac111: there IS a difference between ###### and violence.

 

 

Peace, and Love. :sl:

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i love the horror genre, but blood and gore has never really scared me,but things popping out of nowhere and evil children now that's scary.

i agree with isambard

peace

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the grudge? pfffft

that movie was not scary.... :sl:

peace

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i love the horror genre, but blood and gore has never really scared me,but things popping out of nowhere and evil children now that's scary.

i agree with isambard

peace

 

hehe yaa. Alot of the gorystuff is just tasteless and disgusting as opposed to scary. I can understand if its to prove a pt. (such as a war movie depicting what war does) but its become a commodity thats lost all intellectuality.

 

I myself being a big horror buff recommend the following.

 

Jacob's Ladder (movie) and oldie, but it has disturbing imagery not necessarily gore but more of the fear of the unknown and incredibly deep once you realize what is going on.

 

Silent Hill 2 (video game)- if you can only play one video game, let it be this one (or any of the series). It is both extremely intelligent and disturbing on a phycological lv as it explores the inner demons of a man who lost his wife. Aside from all that it has scariest arch nemisis of all time, the Red Pyramid (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Image:Sh2_judgement.jpg"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Image:Sh2_judgement.jpg[/url]

 

Lovecraft books. Anything written by this man is both extremely smart and scarey. Just about every scary movies in the last 100yrs are a result of his stories. He started the physcological horror and trust me, by no means are his works dated.

 

enjoy :sl:

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silent hill the movie was truly idiotic, but the video game i just might check out

will check out the rest for sure though

peace

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silent hill the movie was truly idiotic, but the video game i just might check out

will check out the rest for sure though

peace

 

Yea....Im not a man of violence, but the director should be beaten with an or

 

(you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Silent_Hill_2#Plot"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Silent_Hill_2#Plot[/url] for the basic plot. Such a brilliant plot...

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::agrees about jacob's ladder::

 

my faves are evil dead 1 & 2 (no. 3, 'army of darkness' is a full blown comedy however :sl:), and 'child's play' has some of the greatest lines of all time in the horror genre. There's just something so amusing yet terrifying about that little doll. :j:

 

 

tarantino however i just find exeptionally emotionally 'flat' - there is no indication of common humanity from most of the man's films, he really is IMHO one sick puppy.

 

 

peace and love. :sl:

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maKKKo the Malignant Tumor will not be allowed to participate on this forum. He is an illegal poster, and is beyond rehabilitation...

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then that is not Islam, for Islam teaches that husbands *should* ask their wives for advice and support, following the behaviour of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)himself. It also teaches that a man may not take another wife witout the permission of his first wife (here i am not *entirely* sure, but i'm fairly sure it is the case?).

 

so makkko, are you criticisng Islam, or are you criticising saudi arabia for not following Islam?

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Salaamu Alaikum

 

silent hill the movie was truly idiotic
I didn't understand the ending of the movie. Watch the Descent it's scary, none of that gore stuff.

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i did'nt understand the ending either :sl:

will check out the descent

peace

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then that is not Islam, for Islam teaches that husbands *should* ask their wives for advice and support, following the behaviour of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)himself. It also teaches that a man may not take another wife witout the permission of his first wife (here i am not *entirely* sure, but i'm fairly sure it is the case?).

 

so makkko, are you criticisng Islam, or are you criticising saudi arabia for not following Islam?

 

 

 

So what happened ? That surely isn't what happens in the M.E. now.

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So what happened ? That surely isn't what happens in the M.E. now.

what happend? A dictatorship was established and backed by the US government and on top of that the so called UN. :sl:

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the mindset you propose, it comes about because of a lack of true moral teachings and guidance, humans can be molded for both good or evil, that does not make the evil acceptable nor 'natural'.

 

peace

 

i agree with this... many things have become acceptable nowadays that our grandparents would probably have cringed and run away from, for good reason. just because we are used to something or its acceptable nowadays, prostitution for example, doesnt make it right, and i am sure even non religious people agree with what i am saying, because its not only a religious issue.

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peace

 

i agree with this... many things have become acceptable nowadays that our grandparents would probably have cringed and run away from, for good reason. just because we are used to something or its acceptable nowadays, prostitution for example, doesnt make it right, and i am sure even non religious people agree with what i am saying, because its not only a religious issue.

:sl: and peace to others,

 

I too agree with gnuneo and Um Eesaa!

 

I think when your viewing such filth after a while it becomes like nothing and your heart becomes hardend.

 

You know there's some really sick minded people out there, How do they even think of such terrible, disgusting storylines?

 

We shouldn't even entertain the idea of watching such things.

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:sl: and peace to others,

 

I too agree with gnuneo and Um Eesaa!

 

I think when your viewing such filth after a while it becomes like nothing and your heart becomes hardend.

 

 

Yea i know guys after watching all those ###### movies think all women from same point of view.

Really its disgusting :sl:

 

Is it possible to get rid of such ###### movies and photos picturizing women as sex objects ? :j:

 

Is it possible to give back equal respect to women ?

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Im baffled by the cry agaisnt violence especially from Muslims. The Qur'an can also fall into the category just look how much detail it goes into about how God will torture unbelievers

 

And Im sry gueno, but all your 'higher morals' accomplish is to remove not to solve the problem. There is a connection between gore and sex. When watching a particularly gruesome scene (or a real one for that matter) in which the brain feels it is real, the pupils dialate, heartbeat rises, and breathing quickens. The last two could beseen as a fear response but the pupils dialating could be seen as arousal and it happens no matter ho digusted a person may be on the outside.

 

So for you to say 'higher morals' corrects that problem is like saying absinance corrects the need for sex. Besides refer to the song I quoted, this manifests itself in many ways. "Torture ######' is only one example. Searching the channels esp. news channels and what will make you stop? some tradegedy.

 

And thats whats brilliant about the song, the title Vicarious

 

Vicarious- to do somethig on behalf of others

- to live thru the experience of others

 

So watching, reading or hearig about tradgity....which one really is it?

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