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Assalmau alikum

 

Is hamas following Islam? and what other group are following Islam coreectly

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Hamas is good and is following Islam correctly insha'Allah masha'Allah. I fully support them. Sometimes I get a little worried when they start sounding a little nationalistic but insha'Allah they will always stay firm in fighting only for the sake of Allah.

 

I don't know of any other specific fighting groups in palestine.

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Other groups that are on the right path:

 

-The Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine

- al-Quds Brigades

-al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades

-Saraaya Al Quds

-Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades (militant wing of Hamas)

 

I liked Hamas more during the time of Shaykh Ahmad Yasin.

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thanks. I alwas hear good things about them like trying to make peace setting up school programs for the palstinepeople and 90% of their buget goes to the palestine people.

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Assalamu Alaikum

 

I Pray that the Palestinian people could live in peace and that the israelies and the West would aacept Hamas as the government of Palestine who were elected by fair and democratic elections, and leave them all alone.

 

Palestine bears one part of my heart coz of the suffering they have endured over the last many decades. I Pray that a future would come where they could live happily and peacefully in a country that was stolen from them many decades ago.

 

Please make Dua for our Mothers, Fathers, Brothers and sisters in Palestine InshAllah.

 

Ameen to all the Dua's InshAllah.

 

Walaikum Assalam

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Assalmau alikum

 

Is hamas following Islam? and what other group are following Islam coreectly

 

The main aim of Hamas was to free Palestine but now there aim looked like they want just the leadership of Palestine for that if they have to take there brother's lives they dont care. As we see the clashes between hamas and fatah. Its sad to see that they have two enemies now, first is there own brothers and second is israel.

Dunno when we get Al-Aqsa! :sl:

 

was salam.

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Hamas is a good Islamic organisation that tries to liberate Palestine from the Zionist terrorism and Hamas is elected to govern Palestine through democratic election. However the hypocrites who rule the West claim that they respect democracy while intimidating and harassing Hamas that is elected by the majority. And there is a US puppet organisation in Palestine that try so hard to overthrow Hamas government. And there are Zionists who try to slander and frame Hamas by impersonating Hamas to terrorize Palestinian people.

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Hamas is a good Islamic organisation that tries to liberate Palestine from the Zionist terrorism and Hamas is elected to govern Palestine through democratic election. However the hypocrites who rule the West claim that they respect democracy while intimidating and harassing Hamas that is elected by the majority. And there is a US puppet organisation in Palestine that try so hard to overthrow Hamas government. And there are Zionists who try to slander and frame Hamas by impersonating Hamas to terrorize Palestinian people.

As salamu Alykum,

Are you saying "Puppet" to Fatah group?

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Are you saying "Puppet" to Fatah group?

 

perhaps he means al qaeda, who is also now apparently moving into palestine?

 

 

Hamas seems to me to be cleaner than fatah, that had become so corrupt. The leadership actually IN palestine itself seems much more stable and sane than the external leadership. They wanted to sign an agreement for the 'two state solution', and were about to when the external leadership ordered the kidnapping of the two israeli soldiers, which gave olmert the excuse to start the war against lebanon and (deliberately) prevent this historic step towards peace from the Hamas leadership. It would have put israel directly onto the defensive, and would have easily justified to the israeli people that pulling out of gaza - and continuing their pullouts from palestinian territory - is a policy that brought peace.

 

instead, there was a war that cost thousands of innocent lives, and set back lebanon's reconstruction by years.

 

as so often, those actually on the ground and dealing with the reality every day, have a better grasp than ideologues who run away and cause trouble from outside.

 

i think it is a MAJOR human scandal that the EU followed the Bush Regime orders and ended its support after Hamas so clearly won the democratic election - and indeed, there are many EU lawmakers who are fighting hard to have this abysmal policy revoked. Democracy does not mean "the election of those we want to have elected", and it is to the EU's eternal shame it did not accept those results.

 

 

peace and love. :sl:

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My dear brother gnuneo,

 

The israeli regime of terror had planned the illegal israeli invasion of Lebanon (2006) long before the israeli soldiers detained by Hezbollah soldiers for trespassing Lebanon illegally. And the israeli regime of terror used the incidence as a pretext to invade Lebanon.

 

PM 'says israel pre-planned war'

 

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israel's prime minister has said that the strategy used in last year's war with Lebanon was drawn up months in advance, an israeli newspaper reports. According to Haaretz, Ehud Olmert said it was decided at least four months before that any kidnap of israeli troops on its border would trigger war.

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I have received this message from a Zionist:

 

QUOTE icebreaker

 

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hamas /hezbolla /YOU - same same, Today, 03:12 PM

 

Any attack on any nations sovereignty , attacking and kidnapping it's soldiers SHOULD indeed trigger WAR . IF they do it again , the israelis will no doubt invade again ....and rightly so .

 

As far as "plans " if that should happen .......what do you expect ? Any nation should have a contingency plan if it's neighbor INVADES and KIDNAPS .

 

And if it happens again , the bloodthirsty dogs of Hezboolah will find it harder to claim another FALSE VICTORY , whee there was NONE >....just a bunch of usefull idiots to believe their claim . [like youself ]

 

you think you can escape my criticism ###### ? ignorance , stupidity and hate mongering such as yours , needs to be smacked down .

 

You know what you are , you simply have not looked in the mirror yet , I will force you to look at your face inthe mirror .

 

israel is not a sovereign country since it is established by brutal and barbaric Zionists who terrorize, rape, torture, murder, massacre and rob innocent and defenseless Palestinian people of their land, homes, rights etc. It is like Zionists robbing you of your home and land and then they claim that house and land belong to them and the Zionists also terrorize your family, rape your wife and daughters and murder your sons! It seems to me that Zionists are a bunch of brutal and sadistic robbers.

 

The news clearly states that it is the israeli regime of terror that had preplanned the illegal israeli invasion of Lebanon months before the two Zionist soldiers who entered Lebanon illegally were detained by Hezbollah soldiers. Then the israeli regime of terror used it as a pretext to invade Lebanon and massacre thousands of innocent Muslims and Christians. The war end up Zionist soldiers ran like a bunch of cowards toward israel. Finally the Zionists met their masters!

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ZIONIST TERRORISM

 

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DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE

 

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9-10 April 1948: The massacre that became the symbol of Zionist aggression against the Palestinians as well as Zionist treachery. The Mukhtar of the village had agreed with the Zionists to provide information on the movement of strangers in the area as well as other intelligence provided their village is spared. The Zionists were not to keep their side of the promise. In an operation which was called Operation Unity, the Haganah co-operated with the Irgun and the Stern Gang in this operation. At 4:30 am on Friday 9th April 1948 surrounded the village which was overlooked by two Jewish settlements, Givat Shaul and Montefiore.

 

For two days Zionist terrorists killed men women and children, raped women and stole their jewellery. A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself - the mopping up - as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished of with knives. Women's bellies were cut open and babies were butchered inthe hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off.

 

The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops knew of the massacre while it was going on, however, no one intervened to stop it.

Edited by wiseguy

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The Zionist Genocide of Palestinian and Lebanese People

 

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Zionist murderers have committed uncountable number of awful massacres against the unarmed innocent civilians of Palestine, Lebanon and Egypt.. Zionists are killing all.. Unarmed Men, Old Men, Women, Kids and Babies without any mercy..

Such acts express nothing but the pure Zionist barbarism and racism..

They've raped the land of Palestine taking the strategy of killing its dwellers..

 

" Destroy all of the land ; beat down their pillars and break their statues

and waste all of their high places, cleaning the land and dwelling in it, for I

have given in to you a possession "

(Old Testament : Numbers: 33:52-53)

 

You are about to witness some figures of the Zionist Massacres

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ZIONISTS ARE THE MOST BRUTAL, SADISTIC AND BARBARIC BEASTS !!!

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People die in war all the time, ######, in horrible ways. I'm sure there are images of israelis who are similarly dismembered by suicide bombers and rocket attacks.

 

And could you post a few more links talking about that massacre? It seems a little sketchy, and I'd like to cross-reference the Radio Islam site with a few other sources to get the truth of it.

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People die in war all the time, ######, in horrible ways. I'm sure there are images of israelis who are similarly dismembered by suicide bombers and rocket attacks.

 

And could you post a few more links talking about that massacre? It seems a little sketchy, and I'd like to cross-reference the Radio Islam site with a few other sources to get the truth of it.

 

MY COMMENT:

 

Zionists are hypocrites whose mouths say that they want peace while their hands slaughter innocent and defenseless Palestinian and Lebanese people in cold blood. Palestinian people are being oppressed, terrorized and murdered and their homes demolished by Zionist terrorists. The World news tell us how the Zionists use the US-made tanks, jets, helicopters, artilleries etc and WMDs to attack and destroy civilian targets such as houses, schools, Masjids, kindergarten, markets, farms, villages, towns etc. History tells us how the Zionist terrorists massacre innocent and defenseless Palestinian people so many times since the establishment of the illegal israel that force few Palestinian people to retaliate by committing suicide-bombings that kill few israeli soldiers and IDF reservists. Most of the israeli civilians are the IDF reservists who terrorize Palestinian people. And the IDF reservists also invade Lebanon in 2006 and massacre innocent and defenseless Lebanese people. And now the Zionists are building concentration camps by building high concrete walls and they force Palestinian people to live within the walls. Conclusion: Zionists are worse than Nazis.

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Well, that didn't really address my post at all, but..

 

Why would these crimes make the Zionist WORSE than Nazis? I don't think israel has committed more crimes in Palestine than the Nazi regime, even in the minds of the most dedicated anti-semite.

 

Any more references on that incident?

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My dear brother gnuneo,

 

The israeli regime of terror had planned the illegal israeli invasion of Lebanon (2006) long before the israeli soldiers detained by Hezbollah soldiers for trespassing Lebanon illegally. And the israeli regime of terror used the incidence as a pretext to invade Lebanon.

 

PM 'says israel pre-planned war'

 

(you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6431637.stm"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6431637.stm[/url]

 

israel's prime minister has said that the strategy used in last year's war with Lebanon was drawn up months in advance, an israeli newspaper reports. According to Haaretz, Ehud Olmert said it was decided at least four months before that any kidnap of israeli troops on its border would trigger war.

 

bro ######, indeed. That was why i said it gave olmert an "excuse" to invade lebanon.

 

btw, for something that was planned for so long, it seemed incredibly ill-planned when in motion. Reminds me somewhat of another long-planned war that has run into immense difficulties.

 

personally, i think despite all the rhetoric, propaganda and outright lies, wars of imperialism have a built-in fail factor, because soldiers do not fight as well in imperial ventures (as both iraq and the lebanon war were/are) as they do in clear self-defence. There was no self-defence in attacking iraq, and no self-defence in attacking lebanon. Whereas the defenders do not give in, because they know that losing means total destruction. Even if the military victory is achieved, the war does not end.

 

 

peace and love. :sl:

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Well, that didn't really address my post at all, but..

 

Why would these crimes make the Zionist WORSE than Nazis? I don't think israel has committed more crimes in Palestine than the Nazi regime, even in the minds of the most dedicated anti-semite.

 

Any more references on that incident?

 

Well, I did a little intensive research (googled Stern gang) and found some hits on Deir Yassin. Try it out.

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Peace Saltwater Nomad,

 

The massacre undoubtedly happened, oddly enough the park next to my flat in Glasgow has a memorial to the victims.

 

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On April 9, Jewish fighters massacred scores of Palestinian villagers, including old people, women and children, in the West Jerusalem village of Deir Yassin, causing widespread panic and greatly augmenting the flight of Palestinians from their homes across the country.
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The Deir Yassin massacre no doubt happened and it was a truly shocking event which even many of the people ###### would call 'Zionists' were appalled by, what it's made worse by is that israeli politicians were so insensitive as to use the site of the massacre to house more migrants to israel.

 

If you wanted an impartial and honest account of what happened there I don't think you'd find it in this thread. Any source which says...

 

Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off.

 

...has to have the authors credentials and possible bias taken into account. I wouldn't bother entering into the debate over the specifics of the evil actions themselves with those keen to embellish them, those people are angry and will just label you as their world view permits should you try. Best just to acknowledge the great injustice the Palestinians suffered and move on.

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deir yassein, from what i read about it, was a *deliberate* massacre intended to send a message to the palestinians to flee - leaving the land for new occupiers. It was carried out to some extent by survivors of the Nazi holocaust, and by people who were trained by those who had survived it. Although there are always a few who have been so abused as to turn them into - literally - monsters in human form, there is little doubt that some of those who directly experienced the total inhumanity of the nazi's, those who stared directly into the Abyss of the 'Nazi Dream', came away with a very perverted and inhuman consciouness. (it is also the case that holocaust survivors were and are some of the most vocal against the treatment of the palestinians - they learned the 'right lessons' from it, if that is not too twisted to put that way.)

 

there is nothing innate to jews to make them behave like this, nothing at all. This is not a race thing, this is a socialised thing.

 

and like all such actions, in the long-run those who committed them will account for their actions, and such actions achieve nothing except to delegitimise those who do them. None of which is any comfort for those who suffered this terrible fate, and i hope their souls have found rest since.

 

 

peace, love. :sl:

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ZIONIST TERRORISM

 

(you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_abbc(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/Islam/english/toread/massac2.htm#DEIR"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_abbc(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/Islam/english/toread/massac2.htm#DEIR[/url]

 

DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE

 

######you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_resistance.jeeran(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/massacres/deiryassin/002.jpg[/img]

 

9-10 April 1948: The massacre that became the symbol of Zionist aggression against the Palestinians as well as Zionist treachery. The Mukhtar of the village had agreed with the Zionists to provide information on the movement of strangers in the area as well as other intelligence provided their village is spared. The Zionists were not to keep their side of the promise. In an operation which was called Operation Unity, the Haganah co-operated with the Irgun and the Stern Gang in this operation. At 4:30 am on Friday 9th April 1948 surrounded the village which was overlooked by two Jewish settlements, Givat Shaul and Montefiore.

 

For two days Zionist terrorists killed men women and children, raped women and stole their jewellery. A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself - the mopping up - as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished of with knives. Women's bellies were cut open and babies were butchered inthe hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off.

 

The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops knew of the massacre while it was going on, however, no one intervened to stop it.

 

 

you still believe that actually happened? the palestinian soldiers who fought there even deny it! even they claim it was fabricated once they got to jerusalem to make it look like a massacre, to get more support from the arab nations. they said it was just a tough urban fight, with the grenades through the doors and such. talk about being behind the times lol.

 

oh and by the way, about that picture, there werent uzis in 1948.

Edited by eyal

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Hamas is good and is following Islam correctly insha'Allah masha'Allah. I fully support them. Sometimes I get a little worried when they start sounding a little nationalistic but insha'Allah they will always stay firm in fighting only for the sake of Allah.

 

I don't know of any other specific fighting groups in palestine.

 

i didnt know it was Islamic to suicide bomb. please explain.

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there WERE no "palestinian soldiers who fought there", it was an entirely civilian village, with the only arms a single pre-WW1 rifle. The reports were verified by the international red cross, who were finally allowed in afterwards - partly to spread the knowledge of the massacre for the previously mentioned propagandic purposes.

 

either you are on entirely the wrong page, or else you have been fed a serious line of ##.

 

 

peace and love. :sl:

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there WERE no "palestinian soldiers who fought there", it was an entirely civilian village, with the only arms a single pre-WW1 rifle. The reports were verified by the international red cross, who were finally allowed in afterwards - partly to spread the knowledge of the massacre for the previously mentioned propagandic purposes.

 

either you are on entirely the wrong page, or else you have been fed a serious line of ##.

peace and love. :sl:

 

are you serious? the irgun went in and there was a firefight between them and the irreg arab militia. didnt you hear about the 20 or so arab soldiers that got machine gunned (that part was true, coming from both irgun and palis). i did a 5000 word paper on this crap back in school (bloody hebrew, it doesnt have the small words like english does lol) hold on mate ill find you the video i have from pbs with a few of the arabs who fought there on it and a guy from palestinian broadcasting.

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nah i cant find it. but an example of what i was talking about is on the pbs documentary The 50 Years War: israel and the Arabs, but heres an quote from a review about it.

 

 

A lengthy segment on Deir Yassin, for instance, despite including a questionable claim of israeli atrocities, offered a more historically nuanced portrayal of the battle than is usually provided in media accounts about this oft-cited episode. The Arab village strategically located on the Tel Aviv-Jerusalem road was overrun by Jewish forces in 1948 and more than a hundred Arab villagers were killed. While Palestinian Arabs have termed the event a massacre and have focused on it as emblematic of alleged Jewish policy, the PBS account includes interviews with Jews and Arabs present at the village who tell a more complex story. That deaths occurred is undisputed, but the calculated attempt by Palestinian Arab leadership at the time to magnify and distort the occurrences in an attempt to draw in neighboring Arab armies is also described. As Arab interviewees recount, instead of attracting those armies, lurid and false claims of Jewish atrocities frightened Palestinian Arab villagers throughout the area, who fled by the thousands.

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