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Indeed Bartlett , well said , the very rules they "cough -cough '" -enforce are broken routinely with known slanders purported as truth .

It is indeed embarrassing , but more so, or those who purport themselves as honest and loving , yet adhere and cling to a vicious lie so tenaciously .

Yasnov and Dot have no defense , for ignoranc can not be claimed . Bias has no real defense and after all it is a whole world view built upon someone elses vicious lie , and adopted as a rational for present attitudes and unmitigated slanders .

Though soundly defeated by facts , academically , historically and logically , the bigot clings to his lie .

 

For o admit to the truth , THAT THE PROTOCOLS ARE A FRAUD , an entire way of life and behavior would come crashing down , leaving nothing but embarrassment and shame .

 

This is not so different than the nazis believing in an Arian race that pre-existed in history , yet no evidence of such a "superior civilization ever existed " or was ever discovered , yet the nazis basedtheir ethos and actions in the world on this ficticious notion . Nothing more than a fairey-tale embraced by them as a massive group delusion .

 

For those who have self-deluded themselves in this , there is no proofs acceptable to dissuade them from their held views , for it would mean re-evaluating their world view .

 

Therefore I agree with bartlett , that it now becomes a embarrassment to confront and argue with such ignorance .......you wil be left to your own devices and the folly they will eventually lead to ......good riddance , and you now may wallow in your mire unopposed .

 

 

p.s. Yasnov , stop alleging yourself to be educated ...you are not , you have simply been trained in deciet by the use of language .

 

 

Your " wassalam "salutation is just as phony as your claim to posses an education , you are indoctrinated .

 

 

I do not wish you "peace " you are not worthy of it , for you knowingly engage in deciet .

 

After I depart this absurd argument with such a person as yoiurself , you will not doubt claim a victory ......thatis your only reward , and from your peers only .

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After I depart this absurd argument with such a person as yoiurself , you will not doubt claim a victory ......

i wouldn't claim anything. and one thing, you can't depart any argument or discussion that you never enter ...

 

wassalam,

y

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You have alread made claims yasnov . There was never any valid discussion with you since you have already rejected the world bodyof evidence against your ridiculous contention that the protocols are true , you have failed to prove that ....and never will , atleast not amongst educated men .

Your facetious statement that "you can not be sure " is nothing more than another lie borne out of your decietfull nature .

You have proved yourself intellectually dishonest , and as far as winning a point , or even making a point ...you failed .

 

You have not failed however in proving yoursel a bigot . I guess that will simply be your lot in life .

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(If you're running out of names, I suggest Sentigrade)

 

Yasnov, it doesn't matter if Graves is a fiction writer or a liar or anything. He has claimed to have found where the Protocols was plagiarised from, and no-one has disputed it. Apparently the book that it was plagiarised from is sold on Amazon(contact admin if its a beneficial link), so anyone can check.

 

Either you have an argument disproving that the Protocols was plagiarised from an earlier book which wasn't about Jews or Zionism, or you can accept that the Protocols have been proven faudulent, There's no more room for you.

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(If you're running out of names, I suggest Sentigrade)

who and what is he?

 

Yasnov, it doesn't matter if Graves is a fiction writer or a liar or anything.

lol

 

wassalam,

y

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Yasnov, either disprove the contention that the Protocols was plagiarised from an earlier book or accept that the Protocols is a fraud. These are you only options.

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well, if it was the plagiarised form, then i think the original protocol will not be very different from the plagiarised.

 

wassalam,

y

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Please don't pretend to be stupid. Have you read the Wiki article at post #13, or the Times articles I linked? If not, why not?

 

Either dispute the claim that the Protocols were plagiarised from an earlier book which wasn't about Jews or Zionism, or accept that the Protocols are a fraud. There's no other choice for you.

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Please don't pretend to be stupid. Have you read the Wiki article at post #13, or the Times articles I linked? If not, why not?

i don't want to read the lengthy copy and paste from the wikipedia pages. i suggest you to explain it in your own words.

 

wassalam,

y

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I have explained it in my own words, but I'll do it again. There is almost exact similarity between the Protocols and an earlier book which wasn't about Jews or Zionism. The Protocols is a fraud.

 

The articles I linked gives details of similar passages, concepts and structure. If you want to argue you'll need to read them. If you don't want to argue you are accepting that the Protocols are a fraud.

 

Good night.

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i don't want to read the lengthy copy and paste from the wikipedia pages. i suggest you to explain it in your own words.

 

wassalam,

y

 

 

 

LOL......one thing you'll never have to worry about Yasnov .......You'lll never be accused of having any logic or intelligence ...lol....man ! aren't you embarrassed to come back with these lame replies ?

LOL....I guess not , you have no shame either .

 

 

The troubling thing about a character like you Yasnov is , YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO PERVERT NORMAL THOUGHT PROCESS , therefore logical conclusions can never be reached ....as in THIS case , even in the face of overwhelming evidence . So one must naturally assume , that if you have been trained , there are trainers ,. and if they exist how many indeed are there in your country of Indonesia ???

 

How much of the population has bought into this corrupted form of learning , and exactly WHAT IS IT that they truly learn .

 

Hopefully Yasnov you are an abberation , an a-typical example of Indonesian youth , for if not ......then Indonesia's is in bad shape .

 

 

Protocols are false yanov , that disappoints you , crushes your world view and removes the self-justification of your hatred and bias ......deal with it .....live with it ......this way when you say wassalam . you may actually mean it .

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The articles I linked gives details of similar passages, concepts and structure. If you want to argue you'll need to read them. If you don't want to argue you are accepting that the Protocols are a fraud.

then, please advise what this quote is plagiarized from:

2. The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world. As is well known to you, these specialists of ours have been drawing to fit them for rule the information they need from our political plans from the lessons of history, from observations made of the events of every moment as it passes. The GOYIM are not guided by practical use of unprejudiced historical observation, but by theoretical routine without any critical regard for consequent results. We need not, therefore, take any account of them - let them amuse themselves until the hour strikes, or live on hopes of new forms of enterprising pastime, or on the memories of all they have enjoyed. For them let that play the principal part which we have persuaded them to accept as the dictates of science (theory). It is with this object in view that we are constantly, by means of our press, arousing a blind confidence in these theories. The intellectuals of the GOYIM will puff themselves up with their knowledges and without any logical verification of them will put into effect all the information available from science, which our AGENTUR specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want.

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Protocols are false yanov , that disappoints you , crushes your world view and removes the self-justification of your hatred and bias ......deal with it .....live with it ......this way when you say wassalam . you may actually mean it .

if you take a close look on talmud, views of zionists founders and etc, you'll see how much they all are parallel with the protocol, including this Lubavitch document:

 

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the point is, be it zionists or whatever organizations, we have to fight them for following the protocols' agenda.

 

wassalam,

y

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if you take a close look on talmud, views of zionists founders and etc, you'll see how much they all are parallel with the protocol, including this Lubavitch document:

 

you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetnoahide(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/finalwar.htm

 

the point is, be it zionists or whatever organizations, we have to fight them for following the protocols' agenda.

 

wassalam,

y

 

 

The point IS Yasnov , the "we that have to fight " have based their crusade on a LIE .....but that doesn't seem to bother anyone involved ....does it ?

That doesn't say much for all those who hold your view , you reject truth and fight on the side of a lie .

And if you can not find a rationale to justify your actions you will make one up , or cling to a lie .

 

 

Pathetic indeed Yasnov .You base the direction of your very soul on that which you KNOW to be a lie .

 

 

And that makes your "wassalam " salution all the more phony .

 

HYPOCRITES ALL .

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So you admit that the Protocols are a fraud, Yasnov? Well done. Please try to persuade Dot that he should take them off his site.

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That doesn't say much for all those who hold your view , you reject truth and fight on the side of a lie .

so, when is it that you will really depart from this thread, sentinele? i wouldn't claim anything, i promise.

 

wassalam,

y

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So, now that we have agreed that the Protocols is a fraud, how should we go about getting them removed from this site? any suggestions Yasnov?

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So you admit that the Protocols are a fraud, Yasnov? Well done.

it is in response to what?

 

wassalam,

y

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You haven't attempted to argue with the evidence of plagiarism, so you're accepting that it is correct.

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so, when is it that you will really depart from this thread, sentinele? i wouldn't claim anything, i promise.

 

wassalam,

y

 

 

Well as Bartlett said , you have been refuted , the Protocols are a fraud , and the topic starter should be admonished from starting new threads based on obvious and bigoted lies about non-existant conspiracies.

You can't claim anything Yasnov , other than you have been a victim of a lie , or have purposely and knowingly embraced a lie , then attempted to defend it through facetious arguments .

 

Maybe I'll just hang around long enough to see this thread REMOVED , as it is , in itself a VIOLATION of the rules of this forum , for it a KNOWN LIE , and yet it is being propounded as truth .

 

btw , yasnov , when you are found to be dishonest ......your promises are meaningless .

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You haven't attempted to argue with the evidence of plagiarism, so you're accepting that it is correct.

i'll repeat: what has this quote been plagiarized from?

2. The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world. As is well known to you, these specialists of ours have been drawing to fit them for rule the information they need from our political plans from the lessons of history, from observations made of the events of every moment as it passes. The GOYIM are not guided by practical use of unprejudiced historical observation, but by theoretical routine without any critical regard for consequent results. We need not, therefore, take any account of them - let them amuse themselves until the hour strikes, or live on hopes of new forms of enterprising pastime, or on the memories of all they have enjoyed. For them let that play the principal part which we have persuaded them to accept as the dictates of science (theory). It is with this object in view that we are constantly, by means of our press, arousing a blind confidence in these theories. The intellectuals of the GOYIM will puff themselves up with their knowledges and without any logical verification of them will put into effect all the information available from science, which our AGENTUR specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want.

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Still spouting nd repeating the same lie Yasnov , just using a different pragraph .

 

The truth remains .....you perpetrate a lie , you are thus a dishonest person .

 

 

Man you must really hate the jews in order to so desperately cling to this lie for the sake of your hatred .

 

 

You are becoming more irrational with each new post .

 

 

that what they teach you in Indonesia ???

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jews are my cousins, there is no hate against them

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Yasnov, you have not addressed the claims of plagiarism contained in the post on this thread or in more detail in the articles I have linked. If those claims are true (and I don't see how you can disprove them without showing that the sources in fact don't say what it is claimed of them) then the Protocols is a fraud. End of story.

 

Here's an example of what you're up against:

 

Geneva Dialogues, p. 141:—

 

Machiavelli.—“Like the God Vishnu, my press will have a hundred arms, and these arms will give their hands to all the different shades of opinion throughout the country.â€

 

Protocols, p. 43:—

 

“These newspapers, like the Indian god Vishnu, will be possessed of hundreds of hands, each of which will be feeling the pulse of varying public opinion.â€

 

Geneva Dialogues, p. 207:—

 

Montesquieu.—“Now I understand the figure of the god Vishnu; you have a hundred arms like the Indian idol, and each of your fingers touches a spring.â€

 

Protocols, p 65:—

 

[Protocls. —] “Our Government will resemble the Hindu god Vishnu. Each of our hundred hands will hold one spring of the social machinery of State.â€

 

 

The Protocols were always highly unlikely to have been real, and there is actual evidence that they are not. It is beyond unreasonable to continue to hold that they are real, or even to argue that they might be.

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jews are my cousins, there is no hate against them

 

 

That's a lie , if that were true , you wouldn't cling so tenaciously to a LIE and FRAUD that denigrates them .

 

You are a Liar .

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