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Selamu Alaikum,

 

Terrorism is one of the most discussed topics today in global media.

 

I as a Muslim know that most Muslims are not terrorists...however...outside of knowing that killing the innocent (or yourself) or absolutely forbidden, can someone explain what/why/how terrorists misinterpret the teachings of Islam to allow for the terror they cause?

 

Maybe someone already has a good post on this forum about this subject but I couldn't find it...if so, please send me a link.

 

I am looking for fact...not opinion. Or is this something so controversial that there is no factual answer?

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When the US regime and its allies attack, invade and occupy Muslim countries, Muslims have their right to defend their countries and protect innocent and defenseless Muslims and non-Muslims and their properties against the invaders! However, the Western media always condone the illegal invasions by accusing Muslims of committing terror because the Muslims fight and resist the non-Muslim forces. Nazis used to call the Free French members the terrorists and the British used to call the Americans and George Washington the terrorists.

 

And now the US regime and its allies and the media call Muslims the terrorists for resisting the illegal American invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia etc. The US regime and its allies and the media are the real terrorists!!

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I am looking for fact...not opinion. Or is this something so controversial that there is no factual answer?

 

I believe there's a factual answer somewhere, hopefully someone will offer it as it's an interesting question not asked nor answered enough IMHO.

 

When the US regime and its allies attack, invade and occupy Muslim countries, Muslims have their right to defend their countries and protect innocent and defenseless Muslims and non-Muslims and their properties against the invaders!

 

Quite.

 

However, the Western media always condone the illegal invasions by accusing Muslims of committing terror because the Muslims fight and resist the non-Muslim forces.

 

No they don't, there's an serious amount of media coverage which is clearly against the occupations.

 

Nazis used to call the Free French members the terrorists and the British used to call the Americans and George Washington the terrorists.

 

You're mistaken. The Free French were a legitimate military force based in London, those captured by Axis forces were treated as PoWs. The British never called the Americans nor Washington terrorists because the term wasn't used until 1795. They called them rebels.

 

And now the US regime and its allies and the media call Muslims the terrorists for resisting the illegal American invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia etc. The US regime and its allies and the media are the real terrorists!!

 

What about the Barcelona & London bombings?

I don't see how you can refute Muslims being tarred with one brush by using a larger brush to tar non-muslims.

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People always have and will always misconstrue religion. It's part of life. It is of no fault of the religion (unless the religion plainly says a thing).

 

In the same way that some people believe that the Qur'an says all non-Muslims must be killed, others say it says Muslims should fight no one, even at a cost to themselves.

 

Salam.

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People always have and will always misconstrue religion. It's part of life. It is of no fault of the religion (unless the religion plainly says a thing).

 

In the same way that some people believe that the Qur'an says all non-Muslims must be killed, others say it says Muslims should fight no one, even at a cost to themselves.

 

Salam.

Islam does not say to kill all non-muslims and thisis not the beliefof the brave mujahideen which you refute against them.We are ordered to fight until Islam is the only religion.We are ordered to fight oppresion.

 

 

Jesus said in thebible(note thatthismaynotbetheexact qoute)"enter the city not with peace but with a sword" And this city is a place were unbelievers dwell. And jesus(pbuh) have stated that we must fight agianst them.

 

 

Jesus destroyed banks that he found was not lawfull...But in that time banks was just a stall with some paper and a huge amount of gold behind it. now in are modern world we have strong buildings for banks and imagen jesus in a tow truck destroying this bank.. People will call him a terrorist,as back then he gained the anger of the jews in Rome.

 

 

Anyway In surat An-nahl verse 126 it says "And if you punish (your enemy,o you believers in the oneness of Allah), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted.But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for As-sabirun ( the pateint)"

 

and keep in mind that if they aid the enemy(support,voted for him,suppling them food, in thier military, sendingthem cards, sending the militarymoney, and munch more). There ismunchmorebut iamnot going to makesucha bigpost.

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:sl:

 

I was not speaking of you directly, brother, or anyone like you. I was speaking of extremists on both ends of the scale. Those who fight oppression are Muslims; that's the definition of a Muslim. A true Muslim is not one who spreads oppression or turns a blind eye to it.

 

Edit: And perhaps you could show me verses or Hadiths that say we physically fight everyone until there is no other religion? I have never heard of a scholar propagating such a belief.

 

Salam.

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As for the verse you quoted (An-Nahl, 126), look at verse 125:

Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them with that which is best. Truly, your Lord best knows who has strayed from His path, and He best knows those who are guided.

 

Ibn Kathir says:

 

Allah commands His Messenger Muhammad to invite the people to Allah with Hikmah (wisdom). Ibn Jarir said: "That is what was revealed to him from the Book and the Sunnah.''

 

[öﺔóﻨóﺴóﺤúﻟﺍ öﺔóﻈöﻋúﻮóﻤúﻟﺍóﻭ]

 

(and fair preaching) meaning, with exhortation and stories of the events that happened to people that are mentioned in the Qur'an, which he is to tell them about in order to warn them of the punishment of Allah.

 

[õﻦóﺴúﺣóﺃ óﻰöﻫ ﻰöﺘóøﻟﺎöﺑ ﻢõﻬúﻟöﺪÜóﺟóﻭ]

 

(and argue with them with that which is best.) meaning, if any of them want to debate and argue, then let that be in the best manner, with kindness, gentleness and good speech, as Allah says elsewhere:

 

[úﻢõﻬúﻨöﻣ úﺍﻮõﻤóﻠóﻇ óﻦﻳöﺬóøﻟﺍ óøﻻöﺇ õﻦóﺴúﺣóﺃ óﻰöﻫ ﻰöﺘóøﻟﺎöﺑ óøﻻöﺇ öﺐÜóﺘöﻜúﻟﺍ óﻞúﻫóﺃ úﺍﻮõﻟöﺪÜóﺠõﺗ óﻻóﻭ]

 

(And do not argue with the People of the Book, unless it be with that which is best, except for those who purposefully do wrong.) [29:46] Allah commanded him to speak gently, as He commanded Musa and Harun to do when he sent them to Pharaoh, as He said:

 

[ ﻰóﺸúﺨóﻳ úﻭóﺃ õﺮóøﻛóﺬóﺘóﻳ õﻪóøﻠóﻌóøﻟ ðﺎﻨöøﻴóøﻟ ðﻻúﻮóﻗ õﻪóﻟ óﻻﻮõﻘóﻓ]

 

(And speak to him mildly, perhaps he may accept admonition or fear (Allah))(20:44 ).

 

[öﻪöﻠﻴöﺒóﺳ ﻦóﻋ óøﻞóﺿ ﻦóﻤöﺑ õﻢóﻠúﻋóﺃ óﻮõﻫ óﻚóøﺑóﺭ óøﻥöﺇ]

 

(Truly, your Lord best knows who has strayed from His path,) meaning, Allah already knows who is doomed (destined for Hell) and who is blessed (destined for Paradise). This has already been written with Him and the matter is finished, so call them to Allah, but do not exhaust yourself with regret over those who go astray, for it is not your task to guide them. You are just a warner, and all you have to do is convey the Message, and it is He Who will bring them to account.

 

[óﺖúﺒóﺒúﺣóﺃ úﻦóﻣ ﻯöﺪúﻬóﺗ óﻻ óﻚóøﻧöﺇ]

 

(You cannot guide whom you love) [28:56]

 

[õÃﺂóﺸóﻳ ﻦóﻣ ﻯöﺪúﻬóﻳ óﻪóøﻠﻟﺍ óøﻦöﻜÜóﻟóﻭ úﻢõﻫﺍóﺪõﻫ óﻚúﻴóﻠóﻋ óﺲúﻴóøﻟ]

 

(It is not up to you to guide them, but Allah guides whom He wills.) [2:72]

 

 

As for the verse itself (An-Nahl, 126), Ibn Kathir also says:

 

 

Allah commands justice in punishment and equity in settling the cases of rights. `Abdur-Razzaq recorded that, concerning the Ayah,

 

[öﻪöﺑ úﻢõﺘúﺒöﻗﻮõﻋ ﺎóﻣ öﻞúﺜöﻤöﺑ úﺍﻮõﺒöﻗﺎóﻌóﻓ]

 

(then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted.) Ibn Sirin said, "If a man among you takes something from you, then you should take something similar from him.'' This was also the opinion of Mujahid, Ibrahim, Al-Hasan Al-Basri, and others. Ibn Jarir also favored this opinion. Ibn Zayd said: "They had been commanded to forgive the idolators, then some men became Muslim who were strong and powerful. They said, `O Messenger of Allah, if only Allah would give us permission, we would sort out these dogs!' Then this Ayah was revealed, then it was latter abrogated by the command to engage in Jihad.''

 

[öﻪóøﻠﻟﺎöﺑ óøﻻöﺇ óﻙõﺮúﺒóﺻ ﺎóﻣóﻭ úﺮöﺒúﺻﺍóﻭ]

 

(And be patient, and your patience will not be but by the help of Allah.) This emphasizes the command to be patient and tells us that patience cannot be acquired except by the will, help, decree and power of Allah. Then Allah says:

 

[úﻢöﻬúﻴóﻠóﻋ úﻥóﺰúﺤóﺗ óﻻóﻭ]

 

(And do not grieve over them,) meaning, those who oppose you, for Allah has decreed that this should happen.

 

[òﻖúﻴóﺿ ﻰöﻓ õﻚóﺗ óﻻóﻭ]

 

(and do not be distressed) means do not be worried or upset.

 

[óﻥﻭõﺮõﻜúﻤóﻳ ﺎóøﻤöøﻣ]

 

(by their plots.) meaning; because of the efforts they are putting into opposing you and causing you harm, for Allah is protecting, helping, and supporting you, and He will cause you to prevail and defeat them.

 

[ óﻥﻮõﻨöﺴúﺤõøﻣ ﻢõﻫ óﻦﻳöﺬóøﻟﺍóøﻭ úﺍﻮóﻘóøﺗﺍ óﻦﻳöﺬóøﻟﺍ óﻊóﻣ óﻪóøﻠﻟﺍ óøﻥöﺇ]

 

(Truly, Allah is with those who have Taqwa, and the doers of good.) meaning; He is with them in the sense of supporting them, helping them and guiding them. This is a special kind of "being with'', as Allah says elsewhere:

 

[úﺍﻮõﻨóﻣﺍóà óﻦﻳöﺬóøﻟﺍ úﺍﻮõﺘöøﺒóﺜóﻓ úﻢõﻜóﻌóﻣ ﻲöøﻧóﺃ öﺔóﻜöﺌÜóﻠóﻤúﻟﺍ ﻰóﻟöﺇ óﻚõøﺑóﺭ ﻰöﺣﻮõﻳ úﺫöﺇ]

 

((Remember) when your Lord revealed to the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so support those who believe.'') [8:12] And Allah said to Musa and Harun:

 

[ﻯóﺭóﺃóﻭ õﻊóﻤúﺳóﺃ ﺂóﻤõﻜóﻌóﻣ ﻰöﻨóøﻧöﺇ ﺂóﻓﺎóﺨóﺗ óﻻ]

 

(Fear not, verily I am with you both, hearing and seeing.) [20:46] The Prophet said to (Abu Bakr) As-Siddiq when they were in the cave:

 

«ﺎóﻨóﻌóﻣ óﻪﻠﻟﺍ óøﻥöﺇ úﻥóﺰúﺤóﺗ ﺎóﻟ»

 

(Do not worry, Allah is with us.'') The general kind of "being with'' some one, or something is by means of seeing, hearing and knowing, as Allah says:

 

[ñﺮﻴöﺼóﺑ óﻥﻮõﻠóﻤúﻌóﺗ ﺎóﻤöﺑ õﻪóøﻠﻟﺍóﻭ úﻢõﺘﻨõﻛ ﺎóﻣ óﻦúﻳóﺃ úﻢõﻜóﻌóﻣ óﻮõﻫóﻭ]

 

(And He is with you wherever you may be. And Allah sees whatever you do.) [57:4]

 

[úﻢóﻟóﺃ öﺽúﺭñøﻻﺍ ﻰöﻓ ﺎóﻣóﻭ öﺕóﻮÜóﻤóøﺴﻟﺍ ﻰöﻓ ﺎóﻣ õﻢóﻠúﻌóﻳ óﻪóøﻠﻟﺍ óøﻥóﺃ óﺮóﺗ óﻻóﻭ úﻢõﻬõﻌöﺑﺍóﺭ óﻮõﻫ óøﻻöﺇ òﺔóﺜÜóﻠóﺛ ﻯóﻮúﺠóøﻧ ﻦöﻣ õﻥﻮõﻜóﻳ ﺎóﻣ óﻻóﻭ óﻚöﻟóﺫ ﻦöﻣ ﻰóﻧúﺩóﺃ óﻻóﻭ úﻢõﻬõﺳöﺩﺎóﺳ óﻮõﻫ óøﻻöﺇ òﺔóﺴúﻤóﺧ úﺍﻮõﻧﺎóﻛ ﺎóﻣ óﻦúﻳóﺃ úﻢõﻬóﻌóﻣ óﻮõﻫ óøﻻöﺇ óﺮóﺜúﻛóﺃ]

 

(Have you not seen that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth There is no secret counsel of three but He is their fourth, - nor of five but He is their sixth, - nor of less than that or more, but He is with them wherever they may be.) [58:7]

 

[ﺍðﺩﻮõﻬõﺷ úﻢõﻜúﻴóﻠóﻋ ﺎóøﻨõﻛ óøﻻöﺇ òﻞóﻤóﻋ úﻦöﻣ óﻥﻮõﻠóﻤúﻌóﺗ óﻻóﻭ òﻥﺍóÃúﺮõﻗ ﻦöﻣ õﻪúﻨöﻣ úﺍﻮõﻠúﺘóﺗ ﺎóﻣóﻭ òﻥúﺄóﺷ ﻰöﻓ õﻥﻮõﻜóﺗ ﺎóﻣóﻭ]

 

(You will not be in any circumstance, nor recite any portion of the Qur'an, nor having done any deeds, but We are witnessing you.) [10:61]

 

[úﺍﻮóﻘóøﺗﺍ óﻦﻳöﺬóøﻟﺍóﻭ]

 

(those who have Taqwa) means, they keep away from that which is forbidden.

 

[óﻥﻮõﻨöﺴúﺤõøﻣ ﻢõﻫ óﻦﻳöﺬóøﻟﺍóøﻭ]

 

(and the doers of good. ) meaning they do deeds of obedience to Allah. These are the ones whom Allah takes care of, He gives them support, and helps them to prevail over their enemies and opponents. This is end of the Tafsir of Surat An-Nahl. To Allah be praise and blessings, and peace and blessings be upon Muhammad and his family and Companions.

 

Salam.

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:sl:

 

 

The US is responsible for most of the world's terrorism. Look up the list of how many dicators past and present are supported by the US. How many people do you think died at the hands of the Shah? Mubarak? Karimov? Pinochet? Mobutu? Selassie? The zionists in Palestine? How many people were made refugees?

 

 

Do you know that 1 million of your brothers and sister have been murdered in Iraq since the war began? Who even knows how many have died in Afghanistan.

 

 

If Islam is responsible for Al Qaeda then secularism, democracy, and Christianity are responsible for American war crimes. Its no secret who the majority of Bush's supporters are. Those that elected him the second time clearly condone and support his war crimes.

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People always have and will always misconstrue religion. It's part of life. It is of no fault of the religion (unless the religion plainly says a thing).

 

In the same way that some people believe that the Qur'an says all non-Muslims must be killed, others say it says Muslims should fight no one, even at a cost to themselves.

 

Salam.

 

 

very little people have that belief that every non muslim must be killed. We do tho, have to fight them(threw war and also threw speaches,informing them, and any way that will help them convert).

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Hi all

 

So

We are ordered to fight until Islam is the only religion.

 

Is this correct or is it your understanding of a part of the Koran?. World domination is not cool my friend. You really are not helping portray this religion as "Peaceful".

 

 

Peace

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Saudi Cleric Salman Al-Odeh Slams 'Brother' Osama bin Laden, Warns Him He'll Be Responsible for Deaths of Millions, Reminds Him He Must Face Allah

 

The following are excerpts from a religious show featuring Saudi cleric Salman Al-Odeh, which aired on MBC TV on September 14, 2007.

 

 

"How Much Blood Has Been Shed, And How Many... Have Been Killed... In The Name Of Al-Qaeda?"

 

Salman Al-Odeh: "I say to my brother Osama [bin Laden]: How much blood has been shed, and how many innocent people, children, elderly, and women have been killed, displaced, or banished in the name of Al-Qaeda? Would you be pleased to meet Allah while you bear responsibility for hundreds or even millions of people?"

 

 

 

"The Prophet Muhammad said that anyone who killed even a bird unjustly would meet Allah on Judgment Day, and the bird would say to Allah: 'Ask so-and-do why he killed me unjustly.' This religion protects the sanctity of the blood of even birds and animals. The Prophet Muhammad said about a prophet who burned an anthill: 'Just because one ant bit you, you burned an entire colony of ants that were praising Allah?' This is all the more true when it comes to human beings."

 

[...]

 

"My brother Osama bin Laden, the image of Islam is not at its best today. People all over the world say that Islam kills anyone who is not of this religion, and that Salafism kills any Muslim who does not believe in it - whereas the Prophet Muhammad refrained from killing even the hypocrites, about whom Allah said they would dwell in the lowest level of hell. The Prophet Muhammad said that the reason was so that people would not say that Muhammad kills his friends."

 

 

"Is The Difference Not Clear Between One Who Kills And One Who Gives Life?"

 

"My brother Osama, what happened on 9/11 was the killing of several thousands, maybe less than 3,000, who died aboard the planes and in those towers, whereas there are unknown preachers, through whom Allah has guided hundreds of thousands of people, who have been enlightened by the light of Islam, and whose hearts have been filled with the love of Allah. Is the difference not clear between one who kills and one who gives life?"

 

 

 

"My brother Osama, the annihilation of an entire people, like what is happening in Afghanistan, through destruction and through hunger... This people has lost its entire infrastructure... Or the destruction of another people, like what is happening in Iraq... There are more than three million refugees in Jordan and Syria alone, apart from those who went to other countries in the East or West. The specter of civil war, which hovers over Afghanistan and Iraq, is not something about which Muslims are happy. The Prophet Muhammad heard about a man called Harb ("war") and changed his name, because he loathed war. Our God said: 'Fighting is ordained for you, even though you hate it.' This is a hateful thing to which people resort only when it is necessary, and when there is no other choice.

 

 

 

 

"Are [You] Determined to Come to Power, Even If it is Over the Bodies of Thousands and Hundreds of Thousands[?]"

 

"Who benefits from the attempts to change countries like Morocco, Algeria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, or any other country into countries governed by fear, where people feel unsafe? Should coming to power be the goal? Is it the solution? Are [you] determined to come to power, even if it is over the bodies of thousands and hundreds of thousands of policemen, soldiers, ordinary Muslims, or innocent people who are sometimes killed - and then you say that they will be resurrected according to their intentions. Indeed they will, but the question is how we shall be resurrected, and how we shall appear when we meet our God, when so much blood has been shed under our patronage, whether we like it or not."

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"My brother Osama, what happened on 9/11 was the killing of several thousands, maybe less than 3,000, who died aboard the planes and in those towers, whereas there are unknown preachers, through whom Allah has guided hundreds of thousands of people, who have been enlightened by the light of Islam, and whose hearts have been filled with the love of Allah. Is the difference not clear between one who kills and one who gives life?"

Just because Salman Al-Odeh is a cleric in Saudi, it doesn't automatically make him a political analyst : )

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

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Just because Salman Al-Odeh is a cleric in Saudi, it doesn't automatically make him a political analyst : )

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

 

 

No it doesn't , but it doesn't mean he is unaware of what is going on ,...does it . And since when does anyone need to be a "political analyst " to speak the truth .

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No it doesn't , but it doesn't mean he is unaware of what is going on ,...does it . And since when does anyone need to be a "political analyst " to speak the truth .

Before speaking the truth, you have to work to find it out.

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

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Before speaking the truth, you have to work to find it out.

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

 

 

Are you saying Al-Odeh , doesn't work to find things out ? Don't you work to find things out ?

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Are you saying Al-Odeh , doesn't work to find things out ? Don't you work to find things out ?

If he is not willing to connect the dots, what would he find out? Remember, even today, many Americans are still being fooled. And they are thinking they speak the truth, bluebeard

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

Edited by Yasnov

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How do YOU know that YOU are not just - " thinking you speak the truth " too ? Like Al-Odeh and Americans .

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So everyone's being fooled ? And YOU are the only able to "connect the dots " ? :sl:

No, bluebeard. Only the gullible ...

 

How do YOU know that YOU are not just - " thinking you speak the truth " too ? Like Al-Odeh and Americans .

Because I am questioning and being critical?

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

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No, bluebeard. Only the gullible ...

Because I am questioning and being critical?

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

 

 

So what makes you think Al-Odeh is "gullible " . Because that is what you are implying if not saying ....that he is gullible .

Just because you are "questioning " ....doesn't necessarrily mean you know anything . Does it .

 

If you say you know something , then you are putting yourself above "everyone else " that you have mentioned .

 

If you say you are questioning and do not know anything , then you have no right to comment on anyone elses knowledge OR anyone elses gullibility ....beccause you know nothing .

 

What good is being critical if at the end of the day you still do not know anything ? If you cannot draw a conclusion , then just saying you're being critical ....is useless , and meaningless .

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Many people don't know what happened in the meeting between Shaykh Yusuf al Uyayree (rah) and Salman Al Oudah (this conversation happened after al Uyayree (rah) ) returned from Sudan, it is as follows:

 

"Shaykh Yūsuf al-`Iyairī returned after that to the Arabian Peninsula and met the well-known scholars of that time, in particular, he met Shaykh Salmān al-`Awdah and mentioned to him what the Shaykh had of works and projects. Shaykh Salmān said to Shaykh Yūsuf, “I would be honored to be one of the soldiers of Abū `Abd Allāh (Usāmah Bin Lādin).†By Allāh, this is how I heard it twice from Shaykh Yūsuf in two occasions separated by a year and a half."

 

And now al Oudah is just merely from among the 'Ulama as-Sultaan...

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So what makes you think Al-Odeh is "gullible " . Because that is what you are implying if not saying ....that he is gullible .

Just because you are "questioning " ....doesn't necessarrily mean you know anything . Does it .

If you found some indications of corruption, then you just shrug it off and forget it because you don't know anything?

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

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If I found some indications of corruption ....then I'd know I was on planet earth amongst man .

 

So what ? What's that got to do with what Al-Odeh said ?

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Many people don't know what happened in the meeting between Shaykh Yusuf al Uyayree (rah) and Salman Al Oudah (this conversation happened after al Uyayree (rah) ) returned from Sudan, it is as follows:

 

"Shaykh Yūsuf al-`Iyairī returned after that to the Arabian Peninsula and met the well-known scholars of that time, in particular, he met Shaykh Salmān al-`Awdah and mentioned to him what the Shaykh had of works and projects. Shaykh Salmān said to Shaykh Yūsuf, “I would be honored to be one of the soldiers of Abū `Abd Allāh (Usāmah Bin Lādin).†By Allāh, this is how I heard it twice from Shaykh Yūsuf in two occasions separated by a year and a half."

 

And now al Oudah is just merely from among the 'Ulama as-Sultaan...

 

 

I think Al-Odeh's statement , directed unmistakably at Bin Laden , was just abit more than what you try to minimize it to be . It was a pronouncement by one who knows . It is applicable to then and now . It was directed in the present day .

Would YOU change the mans words ? Or the degree of seriousness that was most definitely inferred ?

 

And was he correct ?

 

Yesterday Bin Laden declared war on Pakistan under Musharraf .....you tell me , will it bring about love or bloodshed ? And he didn't use the term peacefull resistance , the words he chose were "Armed Insurrection " .

 

The man Al-Odeh ] KNEW what he was talking about .

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And it reffered SPECIFICALLY to 9/11 , further implicating Bin laden in what everyone really knows to be anyway - Bin Laden and his followers DID IT >

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