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it does and you seem to enjoy this hide and seek thing. you seem to enjoy disappearing for a moment and popping up again with a new mask. :sl:

 

 

I'm hiding from you Tommy, and your blazing intellect. HAHAHAHAHA !!!! :sl: Disappearing and popping up again isn't my doing, Tommy.

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The topic is "You Can't Criticize israel".............Thanks

 

It doesn't matter if you make fun of me BUT the truth is truth, if you have darkness it's your fault and NOW there are people who have realized that "there exist an under-ground force" that is working to destabilize the world through:

 

1) Technological leap

 

2) Weather Warfare

 

3) By floating "De-population Theory" to cut down the world population

 

4) To remove "religion" from the face of the world

 

These Satanic forces have different names like TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE, CLUB 300, RIIA, NATO, BILDERBERGER, IMF, WORLD BANK, UNITED NATIONS ETC. which they use as their tool for the establishment of 'One World Government' .....

 

However, this one is the beginning of all:

 

If a Gentile exposes Zionism, they are called "anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide the Zionists actions.

 

But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, they resort to other tactics. First, they ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.

 

If the information starts reaching too many people, they ridicule the information and the persons giving the information. If that doesn't work, their next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal they are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons. If none of these are effective, they are known to resort to physical attacks. But, NEVER do they try to prove the information wrong.

Jack Bernstein, (Assassinated by MOSSAD)

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The topic is "You Can't Criticize israel".............Thanks

 

It doesn't matter if you make fun of me....

 

O.K. You just KNOW we will. As long as you keep spitting out the wacky conspiracies, we'll be here to goof on you. HAHAHAHAHAHA !!! :sl:

 

 

These Satanic forces have different names like TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE, CLUB 300, RIIA, NATO, BILDERBERGER, IMF, WORLD BANK, UNITED NATIONS ETC. which they use as their tool for the establishment of 'One World Government' .....

 

Uh Oh. Here he goes again. Mr. Conspiracy has entered the building !!! Never met one he didn't LOVE !!! :sl:

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i would have like to see israel 'dead' but i dont think it will ever happen until and unless superpower usa drops it like hotbrick. the next best thing is to see 2 states - palestine and israel - living side and side. this can materialise only when arab nations stick together and force un to recognize palestinian state. :sl:

 

I agree with you that the best solution is the israelis and Palestinians living side by side. However, the arab nations and groups like Hammas must recognize Isreal's right to exist. I can't understand this muslim rage against israel. They are pretty well the only country in the middle east that practices human rights. The Saudi government, the Yemen gov't and many others are pretty sick, along with the failed state of Pakistan. The void in Egypt will now be filled with the hatefull, angry muslim brotherhood or some other wacko group, which wants to anihilate israel. I truly believe that you're jealous of Jewish success(they are a talented people) and their ability to have a peaceful society. Over a million Arabs are citizens of israel. No chance for the reciprocal in a Muslim state. Most Muslim states are human rights abusers and Jews and increasingly, Christians, are not welcome; many times, even murdered. I want the Palestinians to have their own state, but the Jews have been through a great deal-always under threat after the Nazis tried to wipe them out. That's why they carry a big stick, and use it. I don't always agree with their actions(they can be too agressive) but I also don't agree with missles being lobed at their children or suicide bombers blowing them up. By the way, if the "superpower" U.S. drops it like a hot brick and the Arabs attack israel, I pity the whole Middle East.

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I agree with you that the best solution is the israelis and Palestinians living side by side. However, the arab nations and groups like Hammas must recognize Isreal's right to exist.

 

if you wanna tit for tat so be it. israel gotta agree with peace talk based on '67 border and land swap. in turn hamas gotta recognize israel's right to exist. the rest of your post is rant. :sl:

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The world has forgotten the fact that the United Nations has passed a Resolution #: 242 which clearly states that the State of israel has unjustly occupied the Palestine the the Arab Moslems are going through oppressive times witht he hands of israeli troops and that the State of israel should face trial in the International Court.....................nobody care about it, nobody talks about it???

 

The State of israel never even talks of King-Crane Commission, where in the US openly criticized israel and have penned down that they have no rights of the land of Palestine.....

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The world has forgotten the fact that the United Nations has passed a Resolution #: 242 which clearly states that the State of israel has unjustly occupied the Palestine the the Arab Moslems are going through oppressive times witht he hands of israeli troops and that the State of israel should face trial in the International Court.....................nobody care about it, nobody talks about it???

 

The State of israel never even talks of King-Crane Commission, where in the US openly criticized israel and have penned down that they have no rights of the land of Palestine.....

 

indeed i've overlooked resolution 242 and king crane commission. usa could'nt be trusted. it may critize israel but its very existence depends on american jews. here's a part of the commission recommendation. :sl:

 

II. Summaries of Arguments Presented to the Commission

 

1. For and Against Zionism

 

The arguments in favor of Zionism as presented by its supporters have often been stated and need not now be presented in detail. The chief elements are that Palestine belonged once to the Jews, and they were driven out by force; for two thousand years they have been longing and praying to come back; while the Jews of the world are now far too numerous to be collected in Palestine, they are entitled to have somewhere a state which can be a refuge to the oppressed among them, and an expression of their continuance and unity; despite proposals at Paris there is persecution of the Jews in Poland at the present moment, there is a prospect of a disintegration of the Jews in western civilization and their coalescence with the nations where they reside; they should have an opportunity to restore their ancient language and culture and preserve them in the old environment; there is no need of displacing the present population, for with the afforestation, modern methods of agriculture, utilization of water-power, reclamation of waste lands, scientific irrigation and the like, the land can contain several times its present number of inhabitants; if some of the present population desire to sell their lands they will receive a good price and there is plenty of room for them in other Arab countries; the Jewish colonies have been a great benefit to the native Arabs by teaching methods of agriculture, improving sanitation and the like; the unfolding of the Zionistic plan would bring great prosperity to all in the land, both present population and immigrants.

 

The native Arabs and Christians, who so unitedly oppose Zionism, urged the following principal considerations: The land is owned and occupied by them; Arabs were there before the Jews came; the Jews were immigrants, who treated the former inhabitants with the greatest cruelty,[NOTE: This alludes to the wars by the Children of israel when they "possessed" the Land of Promise] and who remained a comparatively short time; they were unable to maintain control over the whole land or even union among themselves; they were expelled by the Romans and formed permanent residence elsewhere 2,000 years ago; the Arabs conquered the land 1,300 years ago, and have remained ever since; it is their actual home, and not merely a residence of long ago; as Christians and Moslems, they can honor all the holy places, whereas the Jews can honor only their own; the Jews are a religion and not a nation; they will, if given control, forbid the use of the Arabic language, the measure which caused the break between the Young Turks and the Arabs; the Jewish colonies have shown no benevolence to the Arabs in their neighborhood; it is denied that their activities have influenced the Arabs toward progress; the Jews have much money, education and shrewdness, and will soon buy out and manoeuvre away the present inhabitants; the Arabs are friendly toward the Jews long resident in the land who use the Arabic language; they will resist to the uttermost the immigration of foreign Jews and the establishment of a Jewish government.

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"the Arabs conquered the land 1,300 years ago, and have remained ever since; it is their actual home"

 

Arent Arabs from Arabia?

 

If so it aint there home, there occupying stolen land, well its what Isreal's are accused of.

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They are Semitic people man and the King-Crane Commission quoted is edited, if you wanna have a look, check out Ron David's Arabs & israel, or David Frost's The Gun and the Olive Branch, or Karen Armstrong's Jerusalem.

 

Originally the Arabs had no problems living with Christians and they were living side by side without any problems, when the great Aaliya began, with that came Ashke-Nazi Jews, fresh out of the ghettos with their arrogance intact - With this lot came Jabotinskies, Begins, Bierbaums, Rabins whose first task was to teach the Jews the use of handguns and explosives..................If I am lying, check history man, and history is witness to the fact that there was no Arab Terrorist Organization existed before 1948...

 

BUT please do yourself a favor: Do not refer to the Jewish inspired historians but check out the independent papers...

 

BTW the King Crane Commission report clearly states that even the US Government was reluctant to bring in the Jews to Palestine. This was the reason that took Theodore Herzl to look for a "Juden-Stat" somewhere in AFrica

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"the Arabs conquered the land 1,300 years ago, and have remained ever since; it is their actual home"

 

Arent Arabs from Arabia?

 

If so it aint there home, there occupying stolen land, well its what Isreal's are accused of.

 

indeed arabs are from arabia, canaanites are from canaan cum palestine, jews cum israelis are from usa. :sl:

 

The land of Canaan

 

Canaan is an ancient term for a region encompassing modern-day israel, Lebanon, the Arab Palestinian Authority and parts of Jordan, Syria and northeastern Egypt. The land variously called israel / Palestine has had its population, area and ownership differ greatly over the centuries. Only 10,000 square miles at present, it has continously been settled and invaded for thousands of years, from Cana'anite tribes, israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans to Muslim Arabs, Crusaders and the Ottomans.

 

The present state of israel constitutes 78% of the land and the remainder is divided between territory occupied by israel since the Six Day War of 1967 and autonomous regions under control of the Palestinian Authority. South of israel, the Gaza Strip constitues an additional 141 square miles and is held by the Palestinians.

 

The past two centuries has seen mass migrations of Jews, especially those fleeing persecutions from Europe. With the creation of Zionism (a Jewish national movement) in 1897, the Zionists wished to establish a "Jewish Homeland" in palestine under Turkish or German rule. By 1914 the population of Palestine stood about 615,000 Arabs and around 100,000 Jews.

 

After World War 1, the British government guaranteed Arab independence in the region for their assistance in defeating the Ottoman Turks. However, the British had also promised to assist the Jews in establishing a homeland in Palestine. The League of Nations divided much of the Ottoman Empire into mandated territories, where Britian was given Palestine and would implement the Balfour declaration (authorising the creation of Jewish a state) with the support of the Americans, although the Arabs bitterly opposed the idea.

 

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They are Semitic people man and the King-Crane Commission quoted is edited, if you wanna have a look, check out Ron David's Arabs & israel, or David Frost's The Gun and the Olive Branch, or Karen Armstrong's Jerusalem.

 

Originally the Arabs had no problems living with Christians and they were living side by side without any problems, when the great Aaliya began, with that came Ashke-Nazi Jews, fresh out of the ghettos with their arrogance intact - With this lot came Jabotinskies, Begins, Bierbaums, Rabins whose first task was to teach the Jews the use of handguns and explosives..................If I am lying, check history man, and history is witness to the fact that there was no Arab Terrorist Organization existed before 1948...

 

BUT please do yourself a favor: Do not refer to the Jewish inspired historians but check out the independent papers...

 

BTW the King Crane Commission report clearly states that even the US Government was reluctant to bring in the Jews to Palestine. This was the reason that took Theodore Herzl to look for a "Juden-Stat" somewhere in AFrica

 

if i'm not mistaken herzl was also thinking of argentina as jewish homeland although he's more inclined towards palestine. and it looks like he had dark intention against palestinians as stated in his literary work, altneuland. :sl:

 

herzl's last literary work, 'Altneuland (in English: The Old New Land, 1902), is a novel devoted to Zionism.

 

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Altneuland was written both for Jews and non-Jews: Herzl wanted to win over non-Jewish opinion for Zionism.[23] When he was still thinking of Argentina as a possible venue for massive Jewish immigration, he mentioned in his diary he

 

"When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly … It goes without saying that we shall respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion. This is another area in which we shall set the entire world a wonderful example … Should there be many such immovable owners in individual areas [who would not sell their property to us], we shall simply leave them there and develop our commerce in the direction of other areas which belong to us", "The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl", vol. 1 (New York: Herzl Press and Thomas Yoseloff, 1960), pp. 88, 90 (hereafter Herzl diaries

 

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They are Semitic people man and the King-Crane Commission quoted is edited, if you wanna have a look, check out Ron David's Arabs & israel, or David Frost's The Gun and the Olive Branch, or Karen Armstrong's Jerusalem.

 

i believe some informatin from ron david would be beneficial to us. :sl:

 

Chapter 20: The Will of the People

 

The King-Crane Commission

 

When WW-I ended, no one could reconcile the claims of Arabs, Zionists, British & French so, in 1919, Woodrow Wilson and his democracy-mad Americans "dispatched the King-Crane Commission to the former Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire to ascertain the wishes of their inhabitants regarding the postwar settlement of their territories." [britannica]

 

The King-Crane report stated:

 

u 90% of Palestine's inhabitants were nonJewish & did NOT want a Jewish state in Palestine;

 

u If they are given Palestine, "Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants."

 

u The King-Crane Commission said that a Jewish state in Palestine would violate the Palestinian Arabs' right to self-determination. They recommended that Zionists respect the wishes of Palestine's inhabitants & find another place to plant the Jewish state.

 

The Zionists were furious! They didn’t want democracy; they didn’t give a damn about “the will of the people.†The Zionists wanted Palestine, no matter what they had to do to get it. So they simply “rewrote†the history of the conflict. The usual versions of israel's history either don't mention The King-Crane Commission Report or they minimize its importance. Anyone who believes in Democracy must consider the King-Crane Commission's official report—which even now can be documented by any interested partyment agency—irrefutable proof that:

 

u In 1919, even after 30 years of iintensive Jewish emigration into Palestine (inspired by Theodore Herzl’s The Jewish State, published in 1898), 90% of Palestine’s inhabitants were non-Jewish and did not want a Jewish state in Palestine. The will of the people was clear

 

u The Zionists knew they were actinng against the will of the people.

 

u The Zionists knowingly subverted Democracy.

 

u The Government of the United Stattes confirmed the legitimacy of the claim that Palestinians make today

 

Some Quotes from the Commission'ss Report

 

u "a national home for the Jewwish people is not equivalent to making Palestine into a Jewish State."

 

u "nor can the erection of succh a Jewish State be accomplished without the gravest trespass upon the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine."

 

u "In his address of July 4, 11918, President Wilson laid down the following principle as one of the four great 'ends for which the associated peoples of the world were fighting': 'The settlement of every question, whether of territory or of political relationship upon the basis of the free acceptance of that settlement by the people immediately concerned, and not upon the basis of the material interest or advantage of any other nation or people which may desire a different settlement for their own exterior influence or mastery."

 

u "If that principle is to rulle, and so the wishes of Palestine's population are to be decisive as to what is to be done to Palestine, then it is to be remembered that the non-Jewish population of Palestine—nearly nine-tenths of the whole—are emphatically against the entire Zionist program. To subject a people so minded to unlimited Jewish immigration, and to steady financial and social pressure to surrender the land, would be a gross violation of the principles just quoted, and of the peoples' rights, though it kept within the forms of the law."

 

u "No British officer, consultted by the Commissioners, believed that the Zionist program could be carried out except by force of arms."

 

u "That of itself is evidence of a strong sense of injustice of the'Zionist program.â€

 

u "The fact came out repeatedlly in the Commission's conference with Jewish representatives that the Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine.''

 

u "the initial claim, often submitted by Zionist representatives, that they have a 'right' to Palestine, based on an occupation of two thousand years ago, can hardly be seriously considered."

 

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The author of Balfour Declaration (who was jewish himself) never even considered the fact that the Jews living in Palestine at the time of this declaration were only 5% of the total population which included Arab Muslims & Christians.

 

There never existed any Arab Terrorist Organization before the creation of State of israel - There are documented evidences that when Jews came in, they had no intention to share this land with Muslims and Christians, none of the population was hostile towards the Ashken-Nazi Jews, they were arrogant and racist, this is the bottom line. As I said before, the arrival of terrorists like Jabotinskies, Begins, Bierbaums, Rabins made it worse because they were intolerant towards the local population...

 

Check these books out:

 

The Gun and the Olive Branch by David Frost

 

The War for Civilization: Conquest of the Middle East by Robert Fisk

 

Arabs & israel by Ron David

 

Forcing God's Hand by Grace Hallsel

 

Jerusalem: One City Three Faiths by Karen Armstrong

 

Jewish History, Jewish Religion by israel Shahak.......thanks

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“Dear Lord Rothschild,

 

I have much pleasure in conveying to you on behalf of His Majesty's Government the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations, which has been submitted to and approved by the Cabinet:"

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

"I should be grateful if you would bring this Declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation."

 

"Yours sincerely,

 

Arthur James Balfourâ€

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Sorry, but can't all you people just rise above all this stuff?

 

Tomorow begans now.

 

Why perpetuate hatred and misunderstanding?

 

Yesterday is history.

 

Peace,

 

Keith

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if you wanna tit for tat so be it. israel gotta agree with peace talk based on '67 border and land swap. in turn hamas gotta recognize israel's right to exist. the rest of your post is rant. :sl:

Actually, israel will not give in to the 1967 borders because it leaves them with an undefendable border, so the land swap will have to be reasonable. With people like some of you, on this site living near them, who can blame them for wanting security. Bottom line is the Palestinians deserve their own state and israel deserves security. As for my rant, I'm just speaking how I see it. Some of you on this board just want to hate israel. You never face up to the inadequecies of Muslim theocracies and the terrible way they treat their own people. Women are property in Saudi Arabia. Own up to it. israel is the light in the region. Also, why don't you admonish Jordan for the thousands of Palestinians they slaughtered in September of 1970(Black September). I guess it's ok, Jordan is a Muslim state - just blame the Jew.

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Keith, thanks for the input and I appreciate your concern BUT aren't you suppose to side with the people which are being oppressed??? The people who were forcefully removed from their homes and even today their women and children are being showered by Phosphorus Bombs.

 

If you have a live conscience, which is evident from your post, you should speak the truth...

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Sorry, but can't all you people just rise above all this stuff?

 

Tomorow begans now.

 

Why perpetuate hatred and misunderstanding?

 

dont think quoting un resolutions against israel and king crane commission are perpetuating hatred and misunderstanding. they're facts and evidences. perhaps you think the commission and those un resolutions are instigative in nature. you know warmongering.

 

Yesterday is history.

 

history is vital in the right perspective. obama did recommend '67 and land swap as basis for peace talks on 2 state solution between israelis and palestinins. :sl:

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Actually, israel will not give in to the 1967 borders because it leaves them with an undefendable border, so the land swap will have to be reasonable. With people like some of you, on this site living near them, who can blame them for wanting security. Bottom line is the Palestinians deserve their own state and israel deserves security.

 

israel gotta be farsighted in that it should NOT accept un partition of palestine if it thinks its gonna become defenceless and defensive at the end of the day. it should reject the plan like what the palestinians/arabs did. it should try wrest palestine from them like what britain/arabs did against ottoman empire. history tells us israel grabbed that part of palestine that un gave it on golden platter. subsequently it stole the other part that remains with palestians via wars, illegal jewish settlements, apartheid security walls etc.

 

now israel whines about security when most of palestine is under its control while palestinians are left with gaza strip and west bank which has been invaded by illegal jewish settlements. shame.

 

As for my rant, I'm just speaking how I see it. Some of you on this board just want to hate israel.

 

nope. its not hatred. telling the world that israel is stealing palestinian lands via illegal jewish settlements, apatheid security walls zigzag in occupied territories, destroying palestinian orchards and their homes, murdering thousand innocent palestinans, making gazans live in 'ghetto' or 'reservations' or worst 'concentraton camp' are FACTS not hatred.

 

You never face up to the inadequecies of Muslim theocracies and the terrible way they treat their own people. Women are property in Saudi Arabia. Own up to it. israel is the light in the region. Also, why don't you admonish Jordan for the thousands of Palestinians they slaughtered in September of 1970(Black September). I guess it's ok, Jordan is a Muslim state - just blame the Jew.

 

the wrongs in saudi, jordan etc dont make what israel did to palestinians right. :sl:

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its quiet in the political front dont you think? some have been blown over by tornadoes, tsunami, bush fires . . . sigh.

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Tom, Arabs are Semitic nation, the current so-called Jews are not even close to the Jews of antiquity as these are Khazars..

 

 

The fact of the matter is that the Jews "preferred" not to live with Arabs

 

The Palestine was given to Jews by Balfour Declaration when the Jews were 5% of the population, in one district the Arab Population was 23,65,000 while Jews were lesser than 110,000, also to remind you that Arthur Belfour himself was Jewish.

 

Even so, the Arabs were ready to live with Jews but the Khazari Jews were intolerant of Arab Moslems

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Tom, Arabs are Semitic nation, the current so-called Jews are not even close to the Jews of antiquity as these are Khazars..

 

 

The fact of the matter is that the Jews "preferred" not to live with Arabs

 

The Palestine was given to Jews by Balfour Declaration when the Jews were 5% of the population, in one district the Arab Population was 23,65,000 while Jews were lesser than 110,000, also to remind you that Arthur Belfour himself was Jewish.

 

Even so, the Arabs were ready to live with Jews but the Khazari Jews were intolerant of Arab Moslems

 

This is not an Anti-Semitic or hateful speech, this is in line with the UN Resolution #: 242, which confirmed the right of Arab Moslems over Palestine and asked the Ashken-Nazi's to remove themselves from this land.......

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the wrongs in saudi, jordan etc dont make what israel did to palestinians right. :sl:

Absolutely, but the wrongs of israel don't make the wongs of the Palestinians right. I wouln't want to ride a bus in israel... Kabooom! That's not right either.

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Absolutely, but the wrongs of israel don't make the wongs of the Palestinians right. I wouln't want to ride a bus in israel... Kabooom! That's not right either.

 

palestinians 'wrongs' are the outcome of israelis evil deeds. yodel if you wanna me explain otherwise make a search yourself in the net. :sl:

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i would just like to say look at what the british did to my people in Ireland they almost killed everyone of us but eventualy we got them and we have kicked their army and law almost completley out of our country and N.Ireland will be free very soon too,what i mean is no matter how strong the occupation is the people of the land will never give up and alway win!Palestine already got rid of the british...

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