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According to your definition, is nationalism and patriotism the same or are they different concepts? Are the rulings regarding nationalism the same as patriotism?

If there is a difference, what is the difference between nationalism and patriotism?

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salam

 

According to your definition, is nationalism and patriotism the same or are they different concepts? Are the rulings regarding nationalism the same as patriotism?

If there is a difference, what is the difference between nationalism and patriotism?

 

Nationalism is believing in the importance of you're homeland while patriotism is believing in the importantance of you're homeland and the government that has control of it. Those are rough definitions.

 

Islam is supposed to be above both nationalism and patriotism.

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Possibly correct skribture. I hadn't thought about it like that before. Ta. However the two terms are used pretty interchangeably by non-specialists (and I've no dea how specialists use them).

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:sl: Dear Muslims

 

Indeed which is why Nationolism is Shirk in Islam.

 

Since no Man or Woman can be better than another simply because of their skin colour, background or appearance. Since we are all equal. One is considered better only by their peity.

 

As for Patriotism and Nationlism, i guess there is a thin line between them, but nowadays, Patriotism is just a sugar-coated word for Nationlism

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salam

 

I know people how say that patriotism is loving ones homeland without feeling a superiority complex over other countries. The people of that country enjoy when people visit their country.

 

They view nationalism as something else. Nationalist love their homeland, but also hate other countries which they view as inferior.

 

What do you think?

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skibture is right. Patriotism is loyalty to ones government whereas Nationalisn is loyalty to ones nation (which is not necessarily a state, but a group of people who share a common cultural or ethnic bond). In the US, nationalism is generally frowned upon because the US is supposed to be multi-ethnic and multicultural. Patriotism is seen as the ideal, because ideally our government is supposed to be run by and for the citizens.

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I disagree that patriotism is loyalty to a government. Take the American Revolution, for example: the Patriots were the ones opposed to British rule. They were rather devoted to their land, families, communities, etc. I believe that it'd be the patriotic thing to oppose a tyrannical government or foreign invaders.

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:sl: Dear Muslims

 

Many Americans insist anyone not supporting the Iraq or Afghanistan War are Un-American, thus unpatriotic.

 

Many Republicans can't stand the fact that the democrats are in charge, and i will certainly not call them patriotic, yet they still support Pro-American views since it's their patriotic duty.

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Those in the U.S. government are abusing the word "Patriot" in order to guilt the population into supporting these wars. When people think of the word "patriot" here in the U.S., many are reminded of our Revolution and how tyranny and oppression were fought, so they are duped into believing that these wars are similar to fighting tyranny and oppression, when in fact it's our own government that is turning more and more tyrannical and oppressive today.

 

Governments use similar tactics all the time in order to gain support for their programs. Take Japan, for example. Bushido was the code of the samurai, but the samurai were stripped of power in the 1800s when Japan was industrializing. Samurai were looked down upon. Fast forward to the 20th century in the years before World War II and you see the Japanese government promoting Bushido among the population, falsely equating the activities of the Imperial government with that of the samurai of the past. But the tactic worked and many followed the government.

 

Patriotism would be similar to this because it was opposed to a government, like the samurai were, and later on the government uses that idea to gain support for present actions, like the Japanese Imperial government used Bushido. In both cases, the governments abused the ideas of patriotism and Bushido for their own gains.

 

The patriotic thing for an American to do would be to resist government tyranny here at home, and to protect and defend our Constitution, the codification of our natural rights and our contract with the federal government, from all enemies foreign and domestic. It is not patriotic to support a government that does not declare war. It is not patriotic to support a government spying on its own citizens. It is not patriotic to support a government that limits your freedom. In a free society, dissent is encouraged because it checks government from becoming too powerful and oppressive; if dissent is vehemently opposed by the government, then it is too powerful and oppressive.

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Salam

 

Does Patriotism derive from the word patriarch?

What is the meaning of land of the fathers?

Is the opposite of patriotism matriotism?

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Salam

 

Does Patriotism derive from the word patriarch?

What is the meaning of land of the fathers?

Is the opposite of patriotism matriotism?

 

Patriotism is derived from the Greek word patria which does reference "fathers" or a "fatherland." It more or less means it is the land where your forefathers lived. With that comes traditions, values, customs, and ideals that are loved by patriots. In the United States, for example, there are traditions and ideals of freedom, republicanism, liberty, free markets, limited government, and personal responsibility. These ideas and values have been passed down through our generations, and they have worked for us for many years. When the government goes against these principles, the patriots who highly value these principles would rightly defend them from an encroaching government through petitions, protests, lawsuits, and, if all other peaceful methods do not change the course of the government's actions, armed rebellion.

 

Unfortunately for the past century, many Americans have become complacent and have forgotten many of these founding principles, and have stood idly by while the government grew more powerful and encompassing. Many do not even know the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, nor do they care. Many are complacent while the government goes around and does whatever it wants, and the people, who believe that the government is a good agent for them, support it without really knowing why. That isn't patriotism; that's just blindly following and approving what the government does.

 

American patriotism consists of adherence to our Constitution and values, which means resisting government actions that violate that contract between the people and the government and our principles. According to the Constitution, the Congress has the sole power to declare war, not the president. Congress did not pass a formal declaration of war against Iraq, and so the actions taken by the president were not valid. Patriots were angry that the Constitution was not followed in this instance.

 

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If "matriotism" is a word, it would have to do with one's "motherland" which is almost the same as "fatherland." Actually, I don't really know what the difference is as some countries use one or the other, but not both. Also, I don't really view women as "opposite" to men; I tend to think of women as complementary to men, as there are traits in both that create the attraction and eventually the union of the two to create a whole. My personal belief is that God is neither male or female, but rather the idealization of both (although I still refer to "Him" as "He"). Although He might not necessarily have "physical" features like we do since He doesn't need a body.

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