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Dear all, i have heard the only punishment of apostate under Islam is death sentence. is it True, is it also true that such punishment is written in The Quran ?

if not then is there any punishment applicable for him/her?

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The punishment for apostasy is death. Although the ruling on apostasy is not written in the Qur'an, it applies.

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salam

 

the punishment of apostasy can be death, but does not have to be. It depends on the situation. We know that Abu Bakr As Saddeeq did not kill all of the apostates during the wars against the apostates. Umar ibn Al Khattab even allowed them to fight, but not to have any leading positions.

 

Treason is usually punished by death, and if slanding the prophet is done then this apostate also deserves death penalty.

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salam

 

the punishment of apostasy can be death, but does not have to be. It depends on the situation. We know that Abu Bakr As Saddeeq did not kill all of the apostates during the wars against the apostates. Umar ibn Al Khattab even allowed them to fight, but not to have any leading positions.

 

Walaikumsalam

 

Akhi the reason why Abu Bakr(ra) did not kill them was because they returned back to Islam. I.E, they became Muslims again.

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Treason is usually punished by death, and if slanding the prophet is done then this apostate also deserves death penalty.

 

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My thoughts exactly. Apostasy alone is not enough to justify death.

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salam

 

If someone is Muslim and then leaves Islam and then comes back to Islam, is his Islam accepted?

Can only the khalifa pronounce the death penalty?

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salam

 

If someone is Muslim and then leaves Islam and then comes back to Islam, is his Islam accepted?

 

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Yes, it is accepted. Let us also remember that the case with Abu Bakr(ra) was that some people refused to pay him Zakat which they used to pay to Muhammad(pbuh) - they did not deny that Muhammad(pbuh) was a Prophet and that there is one God. So the case is a bit different. There were those who went into outright apostasy, but not everybody's case was the same.

 

Can only the khalifa pronounce the death penalty?

 

Yes, if a country is ruled by Islam, then only the authorities have the right to implement the punishment, but it doesn't have to be the Caliph personally, it can be a judge.

Edited by Younes Ibn Abd' al-Aziz

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Some of the rulings on apostasy and apostates

 

Question:

 

I am happy to have found this website of yours. I was born a Muslim and I learned a lot of Islamic teachings after I reached adolescence. I am trying to understand my religion.

I have read in some of your answers on the issue of apostasy that the punishment for the apostate is to be put to death. But I have read on another website that the apostate who is to be put to death is the one who wages war on Islam (muhaarib).

I am more inclined towards the second opinion.

The reason for that is that I have friends who were born in Muslim families and who have Muslim names, but some of them do not know how to do wudoo’ or how to pray, but they acknowledge the Shahaadatayn.

Can we regard these people as apostates and thus put them to death?.

 

Answer:

 

Praise be to Allaah.

 

Firstly:

 

The Muslim should not incline more towards one scholarly opinion rather than another just because it is in accordance with his whims and desires or his reasoning. Rather he has to accept the ruling based on evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah. It is essential to put the texts and rulings of sharee’ah before all else.

 

Secondly:

 

Apostasy (riddah) and going out of Islam are things that may be done in the heart, on the tongue or in one's actions.

 

Apostasy may take place in the heart, such as disbelieving in Allaah, or believing that there is another creator alongside Allaah, or hating Allaah or His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

 

Apostasy may take the form of words spoken on the tongue, such as defaming Allaah or the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

 

Or apostasy may take the form of outward physical actions, such as prostrating to an idol, mistreating the Mus-haf, or not praying.

 

The apostate (murtadd) is worse than one who is a kaafir in the first place.

 

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said, refuting the pantheistic belief of the Baatinis:

 

It is well known that the kaafir Tatars are better than these (Baatinis), because the latter are apostates from Islam, of the worst type of apostates. The apostate is worse than one who is a kaafir in the first place in many aspects.

 

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 1/193

 

Secondly:

 

Not every Muslim who falls into kufr is a kaafir and apostate. There are reasons why a Muslim may be excused and not judged to be a kaafir, for example: ignorance, misunderstanding, being forced, and making mistakes.

 

With regard to the first, a man may be ignorant of the ruling of Allaah, because he lives far from the Muslim lands, such as one who grows up in the desert or in a kaafir land, or has only recently come to Islam. This may include many of those Muslims who live in societies where ignorance prevails and knowledge is scarce. These are the ones concerning whom the questioner is confused as to whether they are to be judged as kaafirs and executed.

 

The second reason is if a person interprets the ruling of Allaah in a manner not intended by the Lawgiver, such as those who blindly follow the people of bid’ah (innovation) in their misinterpretations, such as the Murji’ah, Mu’tazilah, Khawaarij and the like.

 

The third reason is if an oppressor overwhelms a Muslim and will not let him go until he makes a blatant statement of kufr out loud in order to ward off the torture, when his heart is at ease with faith.

 

The fourth is when words of kufr come to one's lips without meaning it.

 

Not everyone who is ignorant about wudoo’ and prayer can be excused, when he seed the Muslims establishing prayer and praying regularly, and he can read and hear the verses on prayer. What is preventing him from praying or from asking about how it is done and what its essential conditions are?

 

Fourthly:

 

The apostate is not to be put to death immediately after he falls into apostasy, especially if his apostasy happens because of some doubt that arose. Rather he should be asked to repent and he should be offered the opportunity to return to Islam and resolve his doubts, if he has any doubts. Then if he persists in his apostasy after that, he is to be put to death.

 

Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni, 9/18:

 

The apostate should not be put to death until he has been asked to repent three times. This is the view of the majority of scholars, including ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Ata’, al-Nakhaii, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Awzaa’i, Ishaaq and others. Because apostasy comes about because of doubt, and cannot be dispelled in an instant. Time should be allowed for the person to rethink the matter, and the best length of time is three days.

 

End quote.

 

The saheeh Sunnah indicates that it is essential to put the apostate to death.

 

Al-Bukhaari (6922) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever changes his religion, put him to death.â€

 

Al-Bukhaari (6484) and Muslim (1676) narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a previously-married person who commits zina; and one who leaves his religion and separates from the main body of the Muslims.â€

 

The general meaning of these ahaadeeth indicates that it is essential to put the apostate to death whether he is waging war on Islam (muhaarib) or not.

 

The view that the apostate who is to be put to death is the one who is waging war on Islam (muhaarib) only is contrary to these ahaadeeth. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that the reason why he should be put to death is his apostasy, not his waging war against Islam.

 

Undoubtedly some kinds of apostasy are more abhorrent than others, and the apostasy of one who wages war against Islam is more abhorrent than that of anyone else. Hence some of the scholars differentiated between them, and said that it is not essential to ask the muhaarib to repent or to accept his repentance; rather he should be put to death even if he repents, whereas the repentance of one who is not a muhaarib should be accepted and he should not be put to death. This is the view favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him).

 

He said:

 

Apostasy is of two types: ordinary apostasy and extreme apostasy, for which execution is prescribed. In both cases there is evidence that it is essential to execute the apostate, but the evidence indicating that the sentence of death may be waived if the person repents does not apply to both types of apostasy. Rather the evidence indicates that that is allowed only in the first case – i.e., ordinary apostasy – as will be clear to anyone who studies the evidence that speaks about accepting the repentance of the apostate. In the second type – i.e., extreme apostasy – the obligation to put the apostate to death still stands, and there is no text or scholarly consensus to indicate that the death sentence may be waived. The two cases are quite different and there is no comparison between them. It does not say in the Qur’aan or Sunnah, or according to scholarly consensus, that everyone who apostatizes in word or deed may be spared the death sentence if he repents after he is a captured and tried. Rather the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and scholarly consensus, differentiate between the different kinds of apostates.

 

Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 3/696

 

Al-Hallaaj was one of the most well known heretics who were put to death without being asked to repent. Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad said:

 

The Maaliki fuqaha’ of Baghdad at the time of al-Muqtadir were unanimously agreed that al-Hallaaj should be killed and crucified because of his claim to divinity and his belief in incarnation, and his saying “I am al-Haqq [God],†even though he outwardly appeared to adhere to sharee’ah, and they did not accept his repentance.

 

Al-Shifa bi Ta’reef Huqooq al-Mustafa, 2/1091.

 

Based on this, it is clear that what the questioner says about the apostate not being killed unless he is waging war on Islam is mistaken, and the differentiation that we have quoted from Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah may dispel any confusion and make the matter clearer.

 

Waging war against Islam is not limited only to fighting with weapons, rather it may be done verbally such as defaming Islam or the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or attacking the Qur’aan, and so on. Waging verbal war against Islam may be worse than waging war against it with weapons in some cases.

 

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:

 

Muhaarabah (waging war against Islam) is of two types: physical and verbal. Waging war verbally against Islam may be worse than waging war physically – as stated above – hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to kill those who waged war against Islam verbally, whilst letting off some of those who waged war against Islam physically. This ruling is to be applied more strictly after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Mischief may be caused by physical action or by words, but the damage caused by words is many times greater than that caused by physical action; and the goodness achieved by words in reforming may be many times greater than that achieved by physical action. It is proven that waging war against Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) verbally is worse and the efforts on earth to undermine religion by verbal means is more effective.

 

Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 3/735

 

Fifthly:

 

With regard to not praying, the correct view is that the one who does not pray is a kaafir and an apostate. See question no. 5208.

 

And Allaah knows best.

 

 

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Dear all, i have heard the only punishment of apostate under Islam is death sentence. is it True, if not then is there any punishment applicable for him/her?

 

no it is not death if you are a muslim then all of a sudden you wish to be a Christian well then there is no compulsion in Islam, however if the state is an Islamic state and you leave Islam and you start giving details to an enemy of how to attack the muslim state when would be the best time ect.ect. things llike this then you are a spy and that is punishable by death yes. So when we speak of those who turn apostate its not the fact that they left the religion of Islam that they got the death sentence it was because they joined the enemy army in trying to destroy the muslim state they were spys.

 

If your an american or an english man and you have citizenship in that country and all of a sudden you wish to be a citizen of china or north korea and you leave america will not trouble you, however if you start to smuggle important information to the heads of those states on how to take down america or britian and your living in those countries then you are a spy an apostate of the state and you can be tourtured and put to death.

 

But to simply denounce your nationality is not punishable by death, the same is in Islam. You can be a muslim and be a citizen of the Islamic state and you can denounce Islam and become Christian but the fact remains that you are in an Islamic state, and if you try to over throw the govenment or you make trouble in that state then you are an apostate of the state not just the religion of Islam and you are a spy and you are put to death.

 

 

is it also true that such punishment is written in The Quran ?

 

Sura 2 ayat 190

 

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. (190) And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (191) But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (192) And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

 

Now many Christians and jews lived peacefully in the Islamic state and even helped to defend their state when war came and those who wanted to become christian still lived peacefully in the Islamic state unless they became wrong doers spying and trying to remove the Islamic government

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Fifthly:

 

With regard to not praying, the correct view is that the one who does not pray is a kaafir and an apostate. See question no. 5208.

 

And Allaah knows best.

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Dear brother Abdullah,

 

Your long post was most informative and researched, however this statement you made in the end is inaccurate and requires clarification to the laymen brothers and sisters reading:

 

The unanimous view of scholars and the saheeh is that one who DENIES prayer or declares it's not necessary is a kaafir and apostate. One who does not pray out of laziness or lack of care has been argued by most respectable scholars across the times and most notably the great leader of Hanbalee school Emam Ahmed Ebn Hanbal as he established it with Emam Shafie, that is NOT an apostate or kaafir but a "faseq" in great sin.

 

A person who is an apostate DECLARES or BELIEVES something against the core of the Islam or outright adopts a different religion after the fact they were exposed to the truth and enlightenment of Islam, and therefore one who out of laziness or inaction does not perform a godly duty is not one. It is a well known argument that Emam Ebn Hanbal brought as he was discussing with Emam Shafie that a person's repentence from apostacy and kufr done through declaring that he is submitting to Islam and that he declares that Allah is the only God and that Mohammed his messenger, and those things are already declared and believed by someone who is muslim but is not praying out of inaction.

 

This distinction is most important because a blatant apostate under Islamic rule and law should be brought to justice to be given chances to repent, that does not apply to a person not praying out of laziness or lack of care.

 

Some scholars disagree with that and maybe so does Abdullah, which he has every right to his opinion and to follow scholars who believe that, however the statement was suggesting that this is an agreed fact and the only opinion and I had to clarify that it's not. Included in the modern scholarship authorities that don't declare a prayer leaver as an outright apostate is the great Azhar Islamic University council.

 

This is NOT however to make people think that leaving prayer is to e taken lightly!!! For that one will face God's wrath in this life and the afterlife, and as clearly in quran and sunna all their good deeds will be ignored.

 

God knows best and to him is our judgement and our final desitny.

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Major important correction: The Emam is Abu Hanifa not Ebn Hanbal that held that presented that argument. Ebn Hanbal actually was on the hard line and believed the prayer leaving is same as denial. Malik and Shafie held middle agreed with Abu Hanifa, though there was later a difference of opinion with those two. As you can see this matter has split the great scholars.

 

Anyway, would really appreciate editing tool for one's own posts so as to have the chance to make corrections if one makes a mistake.

 

No one is perfect but God, may we all be forgiven and granted mercy and guidance.

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The issue of "neglecting prayer out of laziness" is answered (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetIslam-qa(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/en/ref/5208"]here[/url]. Although, this isn't what the topic starter was asking about.

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Your long post was most informative and researched, however this statement you made in the end is inaccurate and requires clarification to the laymen brothers and sisters reading

 

Also I'd like to point out that the post I made was copied and pasted from the source I gave at the end of the post. It was not written by myself.

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"Also I'd like to point out that the post I made was copied and pasted from the source I gave at the end of the post. It was not written by myself."

 

That is ok, and God bless you for your effort, but like I said one part of that statement said "the correct view" which is what the scholar believes and supports on his own website, and as I followed your link it was a scholar who likes to follow Imam Ahmed Ebn Hanbal. There is no problem with that, but when it got copies and pasted here on its own it looked dismissive of the other three Imams and many scholars who believe otherwise and are also supported by Quran and Sunna. So it was to clarify that it's actually one view and not the only one.

 

Jazakom allaho khairan

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The opinion above is based on the Qur'aan and sunnah. I haven't seen what Imam Abu Haneefah says about this, if you could point me towards the Hanafi view I would appreciate it.

 

Yes, you have told me that the Hanafi view is that the one who neglects salah may not be considered to be out of the folds of Islaam, but you haven't provided the evidence.

 

Either way, this isn't an issue to spend much time discussing because the one who does not pray without an excuse is someone we shouldn't be mixing with.

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Assalamu Aleykum Wa Rahmetula Wa Barakatuhu

 

How do we follow these laws? is there a specific person who does this?

 

also the arm punishment for stealing do i have to follow that? :sl:

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This is an extract from Islamonline, wanted to share it for a balanced view:

 

Title: Is a Non-Praying Muslim a Disbeliever (Kafir)?

 

Question: Can a non-praying Muslim be labeled a disbeliever or kafir if he fasts during Ramadan? To my mind, a person must pray regularly to be considered a Muslim. Is the one who abandons prayer out of laziness be a kafir?

 

Answer:

 

 

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

 

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

 

Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His Cause and render our work for His Sake, Amen.

 

A Muslim cannot be labeled a disbeliever or kafir unless he totally denies the obligation of prayer. However, if a Muslim abandons prayer out of laziness, he is not considered a kafir according to the majority of Muslim scholars, but rather a sinner. That person should sincerely repent to Allah and be eager to perform prayers at their appointed times. It is also the duty of Muslim scholars concerned with da`wah to kindly remind him of the need to perform prayer.

 

In his response to the question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a Senior Lecturer and Islamic Scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states the following:

 

"As stated in the `Aqeedah At-Tahawiyyah, which represents the standard belief of the majority of Muslims or Ahlu-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah, a person goes out of Islam by denouncing Islam just as he enters Islam by pronouncing the kalima (also known as the shahadah: there is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah). So, he enters and exits from the same door.

 

Having said that, we must add that if a person denies the obligation to pray, or fast, or pay Zakah, or make Hajj, then he goes out of the fold of Islam. However, that is different from someone who simply refuses to pray out of laziness; he will be still considered a Muslim if he does not deny the obligation of prayer."

 

Moreover, we would like to cite for you the following fatwa issued by the prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, in which he states the following:

 

"Muslim scholars unanimously agree that the person who abandons prayer while totally denying its obligation is a kafir. However, they disagree regarding the one who does not perform prayer out of laziness. The majority of them consider him a fasiq (sinner), and they say that the fate of that person is left to Allah, Who will judge him according to His Will.

 

It is the duty of Muslims, especially those concerned with calling others to Allah, to invite the one who abandons prayer to perform it, and they should use wisdom and fair exhortation in their approach in order to wisely invite him to accept the truth. If he insists on his wrong attitude, Muslims should sever their ties with him in a bid to inform him about the sin he is committing.

 

In conclusion, I would like to stress that it is obligatory upon the Muslim who does not perform prayer to sincerely repent to Allah, seek His Forgiveness, and be keen to perform obligatory prayers at their appointed times."

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Allah knows best. I can't see how someone who believes in Allah could not perform prayer out of laziness. Especially if that person knows that prayer is obligatory.

 

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Volume # 1 section # 1:

 

Neglecting of Salah

 

Neglecting Salah is a great sin and leads a man to kufr. Some of the Ullima hold the opinion that the one who does not pray is a kaafir. Al-Mundhiri [Rahimahullah], narrated At-Targheeb wal-Tarheeb, that the majority of the Sahabah held this opinion and from them where: ‘Umar bin Khattab, ‘Ali bin Abi Talib, AbdurRahman ibn ‘Awf, Muaadh ibn Jabal, Abu Hurayrah ‘Abdullah ibn Masud, ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbaas, Jabir ibn ‘Abdullah and Abu Dardaa’ [may Allah be pleased with them all]. He said: apart from the Sahabah, it was also the opinion of many of the Tabieen and tabatabieen like al-Hasan al-Basri, Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, ‘Abdullah ibn al-Mubaarak, al-Nakha’i, al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah, Ayyoob al-Sakhtayaani, Abu Dawud, Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shaybah, Zuhayr ibn Harb, al-Sha’bi, al-Oozaa’i and Muhammad ibn al-Hasan; it was also reported from Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal [may Allah have mercy on all of them all]. and is indicated by the hadith of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam):

 

“All that stands between a person and kufr is his not praying.†[Reported by Imaam Muslim in his Sahih, Imaam Ahmad, Abu Dawud and Ibn Maajah as Sahih].

 

Others have held the opinion that the one who does not pray is not a kaafir if he believes that pray is obligatory and he doesn’t refuse the prayer, this is the opinion of Imaam Abu Hanifah, Malik, and Ash-Shafi [may Allah have mercy on all of them all]. However, according to both opinions, if a person insists on not praying, he should be asked three times to repent, and if he openly refuses, then his fate will be execution under an Islamic state to stop the spread of this sin. Shaikh-ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyah [Rahamahullah], said about this matter that there should be no confusion about this mater and there is only one opinion, all the Imaams are really in agreement on this matter. He explained “In the case of one who believes that prayer is obligatory yet still persists in not praying, the fuqahaa’ who have studied the matter in detail mentioned a number of points:

 

If the person believes in his heart that prayer is obligatory, this will not allow him to persist in not doing it until he is executed. Such a thing is not known among the sons of Adam, and has never happened in Islam. It is unheard of for a person to believe that it is obligatory and to be told, “If you do not pray we will execute you†and then to persist in not doing it even though he believes it is obligatory. This has never happened in the history of Islam. When a person refrains from praying until he is executed, he does not really believe in his heart that it is obligatory and was not doing it, so he is a kaafir, according to the consensus of the Muslims, as it was stated in many reports that the Sahaabah would consider such a person to be a kaafir. This is also indicated by the Sahih hadith of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam);

 

“All that stands between a person and kufr is his not praying.†[Reported by Imaam Muslim in his Sahih, Imaam Ahmad, Abu Dawud and Ibn Maajah as Sahih]. And “The covenant that separates us from them is prayer, and whoever gives up prayer has become a kaafir.†[it was narrated by Imaam Ahmad, Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi, an-Nisa’i and Ibn Majah].

 

‘Abdullah ibn Shaqeeq said: “the Sahahba did not think that giving up any deed would make a person a kaafir – apart from giving up prayer.†[Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 22/47-49]

 

Imaam Muhammad bin `Uthman ad-Dhahabi [Rahamahullah], Quotes that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), mentioning the prayer and said:

 

If anyone keeps to it, it will be light, evidence and salvation for him on the Day of Resurrection. But if anyone does not keep to it, it will not be light, evidence and salvation for him on the Day of Resurrection, and on that Day he will be associated with Qaroon, Pharaoh, Hamaan and Ubayy bin Khalaf (an enemy of Islam from among the Quraysh). [Narrated by Imaam Ahmad, Tabrani, and Ibn Hibban]

 

Ibn Al-Qayyim [Rahamahullah], explained: The person who abandons prayer will be raised with such a foursome because his neglect of player may be due to his involvement with his property, his country, his administrative work or his trade. Therefore, if he was involved with his property he will be resurrected with Qaroon; if with his country, then with Pharaoh; if with his administrative work, then with Hamaan; and if with his trade then with Ubayy bin Khalaf, the trader among the disbelievers of Makkah.

 

Other sayings of Sahabah who considered completely neglecting of Salah as disbelief

 

When `Ali (Radhiallaahu Án) was asked about a woman who did not pray, he said:

 

"The one who does not pray is a disbeliever." [Narrated by Imaam Tirmidhi and Hakim]

 

Ibn Mas`ood (Radhiallaahu Án) said:

 

"The one who abandons the prayer has no religion."

 

Shaikh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen write in his book “Risaalah fi Hukm Taarik al-Salaahâ€

 

Imaam Ahmad said that the one who does not pray because of laziness is a kaafir. This is the more correct view and is that indicated by the evidence of the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, and by the words of the Salaf and the proper understanding.

 

Among the evidence to be found in the Quran is:

 

The ayah (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism], perform As-Salaat (Iqaamat-as-Salaat) and give Zakaat, then they are your brethren in religion.†[Quran 9:11]

 

and Allah also says (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“Then, there has succeeded them a posterity who have given up As-Salaat (the prayers) and have followed lusts. So they will be thrown in Hell. Except those who repent and believe and work righteousness. Such will enter Paradise and they will not be wronged in aught.†[Quran 19:59-60]

 

The evidence derived from this ayah is that Allah referred to those who neglect the prayer and follow their desires, Except those who repent and believe, which indicates that at the time when they are neglecting their prayers and following their desires, they are not believers.

 

The evidence of the Sunnah that proves that the one who neglects the prayer is a kaafir includes the hadith Jabir ibn Abdullah (RadhiAllaahu 'anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said:

 

“Between a man and shirk and kufr there stands his neglect of the prayer.†[sahih Muslim in Kitab al-Imaan]

 

And It was narrated that Buraydah ibn al-Husayb (RadhiAllaahu 'anhu) said: I heard Rasulullah (Sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) say:

 

‘The covenant that distinguishes between us and them is the prayer, and whoever neglects it has disbelieved (become a kaafir).†[it was narrated by Imaam Ahmad, Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi, an-Nisa’i and Ibn Majah].

 

There is also the hadith of ‘Awf ibn Maalik (RadhiAllaahu 'anhu) according to which Rasulullah (Sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said:

 

“The best of your leaders are those whom you love and who love you, who pray for you and you pray for them. The worst of your leaders are those whom you hate and who hate you, and you send curses on them and they send curses on you.†He was asked, “O Rasulullah (Sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) should we not fight them by the sword?†He said, “Not as long as they are establishing prayer amongst you.â€

 

This hadith indicates that those in authority should be opposed and fought if they do not establish prayer, but it is not permissible to oppose and fight them unless they make a blatant show of kufr and we have evidence from Allah that what they are doing is indeed kufr. ‘Ubaadah ibn al-Saamit said:

 

Rasulullah (Sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) called us and we gave bay’ah (oath of allegiance) to him. Among the things that we pledged to do was to listen and obey him both when we felt enthusiastic and when we were disinclined to act, both at times of difficulty and times of ease, and at times when others were given preference over us, and that we would not oppose those in authority. He said: ‘unless they made a blatant show of kufr and you have evidence from Allah that what they are doing is indeed kufr.’†[narrated in the two Sahih books al-Bukhari and Muslim].

 

On this basis, their neglecting the prayer, for which Rasulullah (Sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said we should oppose them and fight them by the sword, constitutes an act of blatant kufr for which we have evidence from Allah that it is indeed kufr.

 

So it is clear that the person who totally leaves the prayer with no excuse is a kaafir who is beyond the fold of Islam, on the basis of this evidence. This is the correct view according to Imaam Ahmad, and it is one of the two opinions narrated from ash-Shafi, as was mentioned by Ibn Katheer in his tafseer of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“Then, there has succeeded them a posterity who have given up As-Salaat (the prayers) [i.e. made their Salaat (prayers) to be lost, either by not offering them or by not offering them perfectly or by not offering them in their proper fixed times] and have followed lusts†[Quran 19:59]

 

And Allah knows best.

 

[Al-Sharh al-Mumti’ ‘ala Zaad al-Mustanqi’, 2/26]

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Assalamu Aleykum Wa Rahmetula Wa Barakatuhu

 

How do we follow these laws? is there a specific person who does this?

 

also the arm punishment for stealing do i have to follow that? :sl:

 

Well that is the important issue here, that is it's not up to any "civilian" to take the law into their own hand. It is left to the local magistrate and judge. For the full fledged apostate it is compulsory according to the majority of scholars that he is asked to repent, while incarcirating him and giving him basic sustenence. Omar ebn el-khattab -radeya allaho anh- passed on one of the towns where they told him that someone has reneged from Islam, and when he asked them what they did, they said that they killed him (the local authority that is, not a posse or a riot!), so he said that they should have kept him in jail for three days at least, feeding him a loaf of bread per day, and speaking with him daily to see if he would repent. And he asked God at that moment to forgive him and them. Ali Ibn Abi Taleb -radeya allaho anh- advised a month. Other scholars agreed on more and some even said as long as needed or until they are sure there's no hope. Some scholars have said not to be killed at all, and cited that one of the prophet's writers who converted from christianity, changed back to christianity and left his job. He was left until he dies on his own and his people noted that his body kept being ejected from the grave where they buried him until they left the body on the ground. This is in Saheeh al-bukhary. However almost scholars agree that it's not necessarily an indication of law as other hadith saheeh clearly says the prophet -pbuh- commanded to hold an apostate woman and see if she would repent, and that he told the companions to put her to death if she didn't.

 

If you live in a non-islamic country then you are in a different state and cannot enforce these laws in the first place. If you are in an Islamic one, then the local governor and the judge should oversee all the hodud, including cutting the arm for stealing or stoning for adultery or punishment of apostacy.

 

God knows Best

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Abdullah,

 

I did not negate your opinion or that of Abi Hanbal, I merely wrote my note to inform that it's not the only one nor can be said "the correct one" on its own.

 

But to go on this, let me ask you: Do you have a single proven incident where someone was brought to the prophet -pbuh-, believing and declaring he believes in Allah and in Mohamed the prophet, and said he knew prayer was required but wasn't performing diligently because of his trade/position/tiredness, and was put in prison and told they will kill him as an apostate if he doesn't start?! None exist, and that is why it is found by many scholars today that you cannot declare a person who does not perform prayer out of non-diligence an apostate to have the hodud held upon them.

 

Not that leaving prayer is a light sin, it is a grave one that leads to hell without counting of good deeds if he doesn't repent beforehand. But it's not one that allows interference from a judge as monitoring it is not within jurisdiction, and does not allow one to separate that person from his marriage or holding him as an apostate.

 

All of the quranic and sunna evidence you used refers to that they will receive severe punishment from God. Either in hell or in this life through great misfortune and lack of blessing in his provision. None of them call to hold hodud of apostacy on neglect of prayer alone.

 

There are also a clear indication from Quran and Sunna that suggest that even a neglector of prayer can leave the hellfire to go to paradise after being punished as long as he said "No God but Allah" believing it and has an atom's weight of goodness in them.

 

Anyway let's bring this to a close because this is not an argument forum, and neither I nor Abdullah are worthy of "settling" this matter. The point I am making and I am sticking to is that MANY SCHOLARS believe that leaving prayer out of neglect or laziness is "fosooq" and would lose all good deeds if he dies without full fard prayers or repentence, and not full-fledged apostacy requiring judicial intervention and calling to separating them from their wives and to putting them to death.

 

I hope Mr Abdullah understands that it is ok for us to disagree on this and we can leave it at that. No need please for another response to this to not open the door for flaring tempers and misguided defense of different math-habs or schools of thought. Count me out from here on.

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Well that is the important issue here, that is it's not up to any "civilian" to take the law into their own hand. It is left to the local magistrate and judge. For the full fledged apostate it is compulsory according to the majority of scholars that he is asked to repent, while incarcirating him and giving him basic sustenence. Omar ebn el-khattab -radeya allaho anh- passed on one of the towns where they told him that someone has reneged from Islam, and when he asked them what they did, they said that they killed him (the local authority that is, not a posse or a riot!), so he said that they should have kept him in jail for three days at least, feeding him a loaf of bread per day, and speaking with him daily to see if he would repent. And he asked God at that moment to forgive him and them. Ali Ibn Abi Taleb -radeya allaho anh- advised a month. Other scholars agreed on more and some even said as long as needed or until they are sure there's no hope. Some scholars have said not to be killed at all, and cited that one of the prophet's writers who converted from christianity, changed back to christianity and left his job. He was left until he dies on his own and his people noted that his body kept being ejected from the grave where they buried him until they left the body on the ground. This is in Saheeh al-bukhary. However almost scholars agree that it's not necessarily an indication of law as other hadith saheeh clearly says the prophet -pbuh- commanded to hold an apostate woman and see if she would repent, and that he told the companions to put her to death if she didn't.

 

If you live in a non-islamic country then you are in a different state and cannot enforce these laws in the first place. If you are in an Islamic one, then the local governor and the judge should oversee all the hodud, including cutting the arm for stealing or stoning for adultery or punishment of apostacy.

 

God knows Best

 

 

Wa Aleyku Muselam Wa Rahmetula Wa Barakatuhu

 

 

I'm sorry If I misunderstood in what you said. If a person stole something later they say i repent would this be accepted?

 

Would it depend on what the person stole or if it were a child?

 

 

 

 

Thank You

Edited by Allahs Religion is serious

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I'm sorry If I misunderstood in what you said. If a person stole something later they say i repent would this be accepted?

 

Would it depend on what the person stole or if it were a child?

 

That's a big subject but I'll try to summarize as much as I could:

 

In theft that requires the cutting of the hand there are conditions to be met for it to be considered theft, and conditions to be satisfied to make it appropriate to apply this punishment. For the theft, it needs to be stealthy stealing of an object or money of a certain value from a place were valuables are kept. That means:

1- It needs to be in stealth. Armed robbery, embezzlement or scamming someone out of money is not that kind of theft, and though forbidden it has its own code of hodud.

2- It needs to be a tangible object. A story or credit for work or that kind of thing is different.

3- It needs to be above a certain value, measured in gold weight terms, below which the punishment is not applied.

4- And it needs to be from a safekeeping place, not off a table or found on the ground.

 

The person needs to be Rashed (have reached puberty), Aaqel (mentally sound), and not in grave need. So a hungry man stealing to eat does not get his hand cut, nor does a crazy person or a child. Also there are special circumstances, like a grown son taking something from his father's wallet in his bedroom, that does not require the punishment of hand cutting.

 

As for repentence however, it does NOT stop the punishment if the thief was caught and found guilty. The punishment is still carried out regardless as his regret and repentence appears insincere. However, if the thief was not caught, but came by himself returning the stolen item and confessing, and there was no other evidence, the magistrate or judge has the option of pardoning him. The thief may still request the punishment to cleanse himself and the judge must apply it then, but the prophet has been reported to always pardon any adulteror or thief or otherwise who came by themselves confessing.

 

God knows best

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All jokes aside, reading that makes converting to Islam seem like a scary thing to begin with. While converting to ANY religion is a huge, life-changing deal, the fact that I could be punished by death for leaving is truly terrifying. Events like that make me glad to say I live in the United States, which while not perfect, certainly does not kill any of it's citizens for believing in a different deity from the next.

 

Reading that is just...very horrifying. Could you imagine being killed because your BELIEF system differed from another persons? It's like, "who are YOU to tell ME what I can believe?!" Not to mention, what if these people are still very loving, caring, considerate people, who still go about their daily tasks in a very fashionable manner? It's not like they're causing harm to anyone, is it? The fact that a belief would hold someone in such high-esteem as to cause them to murder another HUMAN BEING for simply not subscribing to the same thought process is very scary, especially considering we live in the 21'st century here. Wow.

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