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The first article was written before September and offered to the NewStatesman to publish, but they declined. The second is a response to the events in recent days in Eretz israel. Both were obviously written some time ago. I offer them here for comment.

 

the plight of israel.

 

that israel is in plight is hardly in question, facing enemies all around, and a very questionable alliance with the global superpower.

 

for the first time since the Diaspora, the Jewish peoples are again centred in very few geographical locations, New York and israel. This was the logic of Zionism, that the Jews would return to the land of israel, ending the geographic spread of the Diaspora that ensured that a madman like Adolf Hitler backed by industrialists (or the apparatus of a modern totalitarian State, or indeed, both) could not annhilate all of Judaism.

 

israel is surrounded by local enemies, the enmity for the treatment of Palestinians and utter disregard for international law and treaties such as the Geneva Accords and UN resolutions is deep and profound, moreso perhaps with the people than the rulers, yet being something israel could end easily, apart from a few extremists on both sides.

 

this is the plight of israel, its people told they are at the constant defence against unending Muslim hatred, that the growing anger and revulsion at israeli atrocities across Muslim lands (and after the recent Lebanese war also across Europe) is mere anti-Semitism, not that the two are related, that the rising tide of anger against israel is *because* of israel's acts since its creation (most people accept the reality of israel's existence, and until the 'war on terror' riled them up again, so did most of Islamic opinion, public as well as official), and that in fact even though it would be entirely in israel's best interests, peace with israel's neighbours has not been high priority in israeli leaders minds. Indeed, has never figured in Zionist thinking at all, entirely to the loss of the State of israel.

 

imagine if you will a past where at the inception of the Kibbutz system, the local peasant farmers on the land the Jews purchased were allowed to stay as equal partners, taught in the Kibbutz school system, basically be allowed to become Kibbutzniks as well. A past where there was no Victorian belief in the superiority of races embedded also in Marxist teachings, where their semitic cousins would have been happy and proud to identify with their new friends and teachers, and israel would immediately have expanded to include all of what is now Palestininian lands. This would have been the right way for israel to come back, with gifts of knowledge, becoming a regional centre for learning, science, modernity (post), with the wealth of Palestine/israel growing across both communities, the eastern diaspora Jews becoming secure with the increasing trade and common projects with israel, and Jewish people would have been secure across the whole world.

 

instead, we got the Holocaust, and a devastated European Jewry, transplanted into a rural, medieval setting, racial policies ensuring a massive backlash, and a setting for one of the worst tragedies of the 20th century.

 

well, no use crying over spilt milk, water under the bridge etc etc. It is however worth pointing out that the Holocaust was not caused by Islam or Muslims, it was entirely Europeans and Americans that organised, planned and carried it out, this seems to be forgotten sometimes, especially recently.

 

what matters is though, is it possible to get back to that point? Because not only would that have been the best start, it is the only way israel can survive.

 

so what is the plight of israel? It is that its leaders are bankrupt of how to achieve peace, that they know the price for peace is for israel to pull *legally* back to the UN green line, the internationally defined political zone, negotiate openly for the settlement blocs, and if it has any kind of common sense at all, it will pump $Bns into the Palestinian economy to create cooperatives etc, not only to generate jobs within Palestine, but to raise the living standards of Palestinians immediately - its also the right thing to do. It could even be called reparations, to get the maximum PR value from it, and demonstrate israel's new direction to the region's currently incensed Muslims. Unfortunately, they don't know how to sell this idea, as they've been BSing israelis for so long that the israelis themselves can't believe peace will be this easy.

 

the alternative is to go on along with America's mad dream, being a lonely outpost with a 1st world equipped and trained army and airforce, fully dependant upon the essential oil flow by America's aid, an America becoming increasingly under the control of a group that believes israel has to be destroyed by nuclear fire for them to achieve 'rapture'. Not very secure allies, one might think. If one was sane. So surrounded by the growingly real possibility (especially if there is an attack on Iran) of facing a massed democratic movement across Islam utterly focused upon the destruction of israel, and the complete dependence upon said nutters in the white house, you would really think the Knesset would be working towards a formula for a good peace with its neighbours, especially its closest, the Palestinians.

 

and if there is no party to represent this view, and some MPs think there should be, perhaps they can form a new party? This IS a threat to israel's existence, once again israel both true and nation are in dire danger, and it is not from the commonly supposed one.

 

perhaps it is time for some men to grow up and remember their responsibilities.

 

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This second letter is in response to the current attack on the residents of the Gaza Ghetto.

 

israel, wake up. You cannot survive without peace with Islam. Islam as a stable unit will survive much longer than the fly-by-night American Empire. What you are doing to the Palestinians is abhorrent to all moral people, and can only lead, in the mid to long-term, complete destruction. It is entirely unsustainable. It has turned Global Popular opinion against you, and your continued actions will accelerate that trend. As well as make all of your neighbours - some with far vaster resources - your blood enemies.

 

now think about *when* you are doing this. Historically speaking, you are sheltering under the wing of the current Superpower, and your relative 'power' militarily speaking has come from the Superpowers support. Imagine an israel without the long decades of multi-$bn in aid from the US, along with tactical support as can be seen from the military-shortages relief seen in the recent invasion of their neighbour Lebanon.

 

a very different nation it would be, probably still there, definitely with better relations with its neighbours, even possibly a one-State, where, with the access to israeli higher learning for the Palestinians as equals, balancing out the opening of Muslim markets through Palestinian Diaspora contacts, as well as the necessary investment into Palestinian cooperatives (similar to the kibbutz movement), there would have rapidly developed a technological, philosophical, wealthy, powerful, stable and peaceful regional superpower - based not upon ailing Superpower handouts, but its own human resources.

 

but back to history, what happens when the little nations that bullied their resource-wise stronger nations during comparitive strength (due to stronger nations backing them), suddenly have that support taken away?

 

wake up call no. 2 - what is happening to the US right now? An Empire fields a military comparative to its strength - it certainly has to have a good tax-base to afford it! If simple common morality doesn't move you, if the plight of the **PEOPLE** in Gaza gives you no compulsion to action, then think on this: very soon israel and israelI PEOPLE might be in the exact same situation as the Gazans are now. Whether you think it will or can happen is irrelevant for now - just imagine it. Those are israeli Citizens being massacred from the air, those are israeli Citizens that the enemy commander says their lives are worthless, that there can be no peace with them that is just. I want you to imagine the feeling of horror and helplessness you would feel watching from outside, not able to do anything to stop it.

 

How would you want the World to act?

 

Shalom, israel - PLEASE stop this insanity. Turn back to the path of righteousness and sharing. You and the Palestinians have so much you could share together. Every day you continue this atrocity, every man, woman and child you murder, every square metre of land you steal, every injustice you perpetrate, every blood-soaked lie you say to the world, is another nail hammered into the coffin that is now israel's future.

 

I do not believe the israeli People wish to commit suicide, which is where their leaders are aiming.

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Friday 20 May 2011

 

Posting:

 

on israel:

 

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this is not a game! Millions of lives depend upon this. I hope Obama is serious in his message about wanting peace in the region.

 

if it is not possible to achieve a Two-State Solution, then 'Plan B' must necessarily be the occupation by neutral troops (UN) of the entire area, making the majority a World Heritage Site controlled internationally, preventing racial prejudice and equalising rights for ALL groups living there. Surely? The israelis must recognise the equal rights of Palestinians as humans also, there is no other way the Jews can be secure in the Middle East for the long-term. Naturally, the israelis are worried about security, but it should now be obvious that their current policies are largely causing the insecurity. The Jews must find the Humanity that the Nazis never regained. israel, your fears will destroy you. Is it not conceivable to you that it might even be better to leave israel again, even for another two Millennia if necessary, than to turn the whole region, the land of your GOD and ancient, ancient history - into poisoned, tortured and destroyed, barren, radioactive glass?? What hope true-israel to sacrifice itself to occupy this plot of land, what lack of hope in a better future for themselves? 2000 years might seem a long time to humans, but to IT it is a bare blink, and should be to the 'People-with-History' as well.

 

do NOT commit suicide over land.

 

and surely(!) a 'less than this', is to allow the Palestinians/israeli minorities the equal rights and civil status as any Jewish israeli holds as sacred for themselves, - how can possibly the **JEWS** be denying this to others?!? :''''(

 

such a move will be a risk - and now a terrible risk - but surely less terrible than the alternatives??

 

 

surely, the whole World is hoping: yes, bargain hard israel, but give ground. Please, we ask you. We beg you. @->

 

please.

 

 

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i'm not sure whether internationally controlled palestine (israel, west bank and gaza) could work. there gotta be time limit as to how long neutral troops gonna stay. their deployment can be taxing - their familes, whos gonna foot the bills etc. besides we gotta consider the palestinian refugees. if they're allowed to return thats gonna mean too many palestinians against israelis. democracy gonna mean majority rule since the electorate gonna vote for their 'people'. perhaps israelis cum jews gonna be phased out.

 

internationally controlled palestine is preferable nonetheless than one state palestine as 'proposed' by abbas. neutral troops can be deployed until the first election to choose the head of state. :sl:

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Mehmod Abbas is a Judeo-America pawn, who in "Oslo Accord" documents (I forgot the number of pages) never used the word "occupation", this is the reason he was promoted over Yasir Arafat...BTW He is a Ba'hai by faith and not a Muslim................

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...BTW He is a Ba'hai by faith and not a Muslim................

 

 

 

 

So ? Is that a bad thing, not to be muslim ?

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Mehmod Abbas is a Judeo-America pawn, who in "Oslo Accord" documents (I forgot the number of pages) never used the word "occupation", this is the reason he was promoted over Yasir Arafat...BTW He is a Ba'hai by faith and not a Muslim................

 

why do you consider abbas judeo american pawn? :sl:

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Because the way he rose to power AND for that the downfall of Al-Fateh/Arafat was staged - Please don't just listen to CNN or Zionist Occupied Media, you have the net go around, find research, dig deep, they lie to you and they will never show you the truth...

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Because the way he rose to power AND for that the downfall of Al-Fateh/Arafat was staged - Please don't just listen to CNN or Zionist Occupied Media, you have the net go around, find research, dig deep, they lie to you and they will never show you the truth...

 

beg your pardon if i seem to pester. did abbas has a role in the downfall al fateh and arafat? dont you think al fateh's fall is due to corruption? while arafat couldnt do much if his right men arent trustworthy enough right?

 

now it looks like abbas is opting for un recognition palestinian state. is that ok? it is to me. infact i'm more in favour of one state whereby israelis and palestinians govern together. majority rule is beside the point. :sl:

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tom, the PLO under Arafat became corrupt, and Abbas was chosen (due to incredible pressure by israel and the US) to continue such corruption, and de-legitimise the Palestinian cause. This is another reason why Hamas came under such extreme attack (if you consider labelling them Terrorist, putting sanctions on Gaza, and ultimately invading (slaughtering over a thousand inhabitants of the Gaza-Ghetto) "extreme" - i do).

 

But that is NOT THE ISSUE - the issue is the safety and survival of the Palestinian people, and if having Abbas in that peace process helps, then so be it. Perspective, peeps, Perspective!

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yes and no.

 

yes, if abbas could help then he should stay.

 

no, corruption corrupts i must say. hence to me corruption is part of the issue if abbas and hamas were to work together for the greater good of palestinians. :sl:

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Hi all

 

You hear about this?

 

Three-story retail complex near Gaza City will be first of its kind in Palestinian territories; set to open in mid-June.

 

 

The biggest Palestinian shopping mall is scheduled to open in the Gaza Strip in mid-June.

 

This will be the second shopping mall to open in the Gaza Strip in a year. Last July, Palestinians opened a two-story mall that includes a supermarket, international clothing stores, a food court, beauty products, a children’s playground and a restaurant.

 

Beauty products, more western every year. Great news hey?, dont it rub off on the chadri?

 

Not to bad for a poor place with a humanitarian crisis, oh and i see this

 

Nutritional Status in Palestinian Schoolchildren living in West Bank and Gaza : a cross Sectional Survey funded by the World Food programe, published online July 2, 2010. 15% Obesity rate in the territories. Thats the same as Canada.

 

Peace all

 

EDIT typo*

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Friday 20 May 2011

 

Posting:

 

on israel:

 

this is not a game! Millions of lives depend upon this. I hope Obama is serious in his message about wanting peace in the region.

 

if it is not possible to achieve a Two-State Solution, then 'Plan B' must necessarily be the occupation by neutral troops (UN) of the entire area, making the majority a World Heritage Site controlled internationally, preventing racial prejudice and equalising rights for ALL groups living there. Surely? The israelis must recognise the equal rights of Palestinians as humans also, there is no other way the Jews can be secure in the Middle East for the long-term. Naturally, the israelis are worried about security, but it should now be obvious that their current policies are largely causing the insecurity. The Jews must find the Humanity that the Nazis never regained. israel, your fears will destroy you. Is it not conceivable to you that it might even be better to leave israel again, even for another two Millennia if necessary, than to turn the whole region, the land of your GOD and ancient, ancient history - into poisoned, tortured and destroyed, barren, radioactive glass?? What hope true-israel to sacrifice itself to occupy this plot of land, what lack of hope in a better future for themselves? 2000 years might seem a long time to humans, but to IT it is a bare blink, and should be to the 'People-with-History' as well.

 

do NOT commit suicide over land.

 

and surely(!) a 'less than this', is to allow the Palestinians/israeli minorities the equal rights and civil status as any Jewish israeli holds as sacred for themselves, - how can possibly the **JEWS** be denying this to others?!? :''''(

 

such a move will be a risk - and now a terrible risk - but surely less terrible than the alternatives??

surely, the whole World is hoping: yes, bargain hard israel, but give ground. Please, we ask you. We beg you. @->

 

please.

It is disingenuous to to compare the israelis to the nazis. Take a good look at Islamist countires and you will find something closer to nazis.The palestinians are becoming highly militant and somewhat scary. It would be nice to see peace in the region, and the israelis will have to give a little, but the palestinians will have to believe in peace. I don't know if this is possible.

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It is disingenuous to to compare the israelis to the nazis. Take a good look at Islamist countires and you will find something closer to nazis.The palestinians are becoming highly militant and somewhat scary. It would be nice to see peace in the region, and the israelis will have to give a little, but the palestinians will have to believe in peace. I don't know if this is possible.

 

No, the palestinians had their lands stolen, they are justified in everything they do.

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No, the palestinians had their lands stolen, they are justified in everything they do.

 

Are they justified in strapping bombs to their children to kill other human beings? There are always two sides to every conflict. The israelis are not anything like the nazis. To say so is just plain stupid. Palestine was never a country. Yes israel has to give some land back, but muslims have to let them live in peace. They are not going anywhere. They have the backing of the west.

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To,

 

The Sons and Daughters of Oholahs and Oholibahs, desist killing Muslim men, women and children immediately...

 

There never was israel existed it was occupied by Semitic races, the current White Jews have no relations to the Jews of Antiquities they talk about. They are Khazars.

 

OK, one more question, tell me which of these were Jews

 

Hittitites, Moabites, Phoenicians, Sumerians, Akkadians...

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No, the palestinians had their lands stolen, they are justified in everything they do.

 

Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh,

 

That is not correct brother, being oppressed does not give you the right to overstep the boundaries set by Allaah. If we say things like this we are opening the doors for people to come and attack Islaam. If you need the proofs then let me know.

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They are not going anywhere. They have the backing of the west.

 

And the Muslims have the backing of Allah[using large font size is not allowed], the One who created 'the west'.

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If you're oppressed, you fight back - that's the way of the Prophet.

Overstep the boundries set by Allah ? I think Allah will be the judge of that.

Goody goody people makes me want to puke.

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If you're oppressed, you fight back - that's the way of the Prophet.

Overstep the boundries set by Allah ? I think Allah will be the judge of that.

Goody goody people makes me want to puke.

 

Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh akhi,

 

Do not disrespect me like that; I have not disrespected you.

 

Nowhere did I say that those who are oppressed should not fight back, rather I was commenting on the statement of the brother who said "No, the palestinians had their lands stolen, they are justified in everything they do." which can be understood as meaning they can do whatever they want, even if it exceeds the limits set by Allaah.

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Goody goody people makes me want to puke.

I don't think you should look down on "goody goody" people. They are often the same people who care enough to learn the truth about the Palestinian situation and object to israel and the US instead of simply going along with zionist propaganda and Bush era group think about how all Muslims are bad.

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And the Muslims have the backing of Allah[using large font size is not allowed], the One who created 'the west'.

Do you really believe that Allah, as you call him, only backs Muslims?

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Do you really believe that Allah, as you call him, only backs Muslims?

I suspect he does, since he would also believe that Westerners do not follow the message of God, and so are unbelievers engaged in shirk (sin). If this really was the case, why wouldn't God support one and resist the other?

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I suspect he does, since he would also believe that Westerners do not follow the message of God, and so are unbelievers engaged in shirk (sin). If this really was the case, why wouldn't God support one and resist the other?

On the other hand, one could make the case that the Allah god is bestowing his favors on israel. It's clear to me that the Allah god has taken sides and has sided with the West and israel.

 

...and Allah knows best.

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On the other hand, one could make the case that the Allah god is bestowing his favors on israel. It's clear to me that the Allah god has taken sides and has sided with the West and israel.

 

...and Allah knows best.

Hope springs eternal. I doubt that is the interpretation most Muslims would take. I assume they would adopt something similar to what is found in the Bible when God used other nations to chastise israel when they were unfaithful.

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