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In England anyone over 59 cannot receive heart repairs or stents or bypass because it is not covered as being too expensive and not needed.

 

Obama wants to have a healthcare system just like Canada's and England's.

 

I got this today and am sending it on. If Obama's plans in other areas don't scare you, this should. Please do not let Obama sign senior death warrants. Everybody that is on this mailing list is either a senior citizen, is getting close or knows somebody that is.

 

Most of you know by now that the Senate version (at least) of the "stimulus" Bill includes provisions for extensive rationing of health care for senior citizens. The author of this part of the bill, former senator and tax evader, Tom Daschle, was credited today by Bloomberg with the following statement:

 

Bloomberg: Daschle says "health-care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them."

 

If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that our esteemed Senators and Congressmen have their own healthcare plan that is first dollar or very low co-pay which they are guaranteed the remainder of their lives and are not subject to this new law if it passes.

 

Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. We have an election coming up in one year and nine months. And we have the ability to address and reverse the dangerous direction the Obama administration and its allies have begun and in the interim, we can make their lives miserable. Let's do this!

 

If you disagree, do nothing.

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Salaams peeps,

 

It is a lie that anyone over fifty-nine cannot get heart repairs or stents or bypasses in England.

 

Peace

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I don't know. The man who posted this is a college professor. Maybe they are talking about anyone using medicare, or insurance or such. I am not sure.

 

Do you live in England?

 

Sara

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Salaams peeps,

 

Yes, I do live in England and what was said about heart repairs for people over fifty-nine is not true. Access to healthcare in the UK is not dependent on whether you have insurance, as it is free at point of need. Nor is it dependent on age/cost.

 

I would point out a couple of things though sister. The first being, it is always advisable to provide the link/source of what you post so that it can be verified. Secondly, what you posted is a chain e-mail which has been floating around the net for at least a few months, so I'm not sure how you came to know it was posted by a college professor.

 

Also, if you disagree with socialised healthcare in the US, it is best to actually see what is being proposed before making any judgements.

 

Peace

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This was posted on you are not allowed to post links yetcurezone(contact admin if its a beneficial link) in the news section you can go there. I do not disagree with the health system or england's heath system. I am merely passing the word around. This professor is someone I know and he is respected more than anyone. So it is hard to believe what you are saying.

 

Other than that, I do not live in England or care to.

 

Sara

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Salaams peeps,

 

This was posted on you are not allowed to post links yetcurezone(contact admin if its a beneficial link) in the news section you can go there. I do not disagree with the health system or england's heath system. I am merely passing the word around.

 

But if what is being said is not true, you have the obligation of not spreading falsehood, at least to the best of your ability. A simple google search would have shown you that.

 

This professor is someone I know and he is respected more than anyone. So it is hard to believe what you are saying.

 

You don't have to believe me. Copy and paste the first sentence of your post into google and see the results which come up. Your college professor has, just as you have, fallen for a chain e-mail of which the author cannot be found. And if the author is uknown, and the e-mail contains falsehood you should not be passing the word around. This causes greater harm than good.

 

Other than that, I do not live in England or care to.

 

That's fine. What I'm saying is that if you agree with what is being said in the email, you should do a little bit of research and see what exactly is being proposed in the US before spreading the email. And if you do not agree with the email, I can't understand why you would post it here.

 

Sister, I'm not attacking you. This is reminder for myself as well as anyone reading this that we should not encourage propaganda when we do not know know the validity of the message.

 

Peace

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Well Josh I was tempted to just ignore your post but I felt so strong about the subject decided to comment. I did write to the professor and here is what he said.

 

(you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetcurezone(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/forums/fm.asp?i=1462201#i"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetcurezone(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/forums/fm.asp?i=1462201#i[/url]

 

I want to tell you that we are all moderators on the forum. I have 4 forums, 5 blogs and currently a writer with Helium and Natural News. I did not get that far by being careless with my reporting. We at curezone are naturalist and we care about the nation and also we are realist to realize that there is very much conspiracy in the land such as freedom of speech and religion. there is no such thing.

 

If Chris writes an article it is because he is dang sure it is legit. It is probably one of 3 people on curezone who know the most. I would trust him with my life. Saying all of that I am not sure your age or your experience and just because the newspapers write something does not make it true. As in the #### and bull that is being wrote about all over UK about the impending vaccinations. We know for sure that the vaccinations are what going to kill you.

 

So maybe you don't believe my story but please don't criticize my intentions or my knowledge.

 

Sara

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Salaams peeps,

 

Well Josh I was tempted to just ignore your post but I felt so strong about the subject decided to comment. I did write to the professor and here is what he said.

 

(you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetcurezone(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/forums/fm.asp?i=1462201#i"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetcurezone(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/forums/fm.asp?i=1462201#i[/url]

 

Am I to assume that this professor started this chain email? Did he actually write your opening post or did he copy and paste it from elsewhere? Either way, what was written was not true and either you are denying this for the sake of saving face or you still believe it is true that over fifty-nines in the UK cannot get certain forms of heart treatment. If you believe in the latter, I urge you to present some evidence to prove this.

 

I'm not in the habit of arguing for the sake of it, but since this is an issue about spreading falsehood, I am obliged to further clarify my position. Here is what your professor said in response to you:

 

Hi Sara,

agism is rife within the UK in healthcare as in any other sphere, but this is not the only factor in consideration of health-risks/benefits in the elderly in considering heart and other surgeries.

My Uncle was denied heart-valve replacement in his mid 70's, because they said the risk was too high for a man of that age: a condition that he had suffered from all his life, and greatly contributed to his demise at the age of 81...

 

Here, he admits that the refusal of treatment for some patients is the chance of success. In the above example, he states that the risk of the treatment becoming fatal at such an advanced age was too high to commit to such a treatment.

 

 

...I strongly suspect that My Mother was a victim of agism in qualifying for healthcare that could have saved her life, and came to that conclusion after she was not aided in drinking or eating at the hospital where she died and resided for 18 days; in my opinion although the official cause of death was Congestive Heart failure with odema and renal failure, the severe dehydration and malnourishment she suffered from, were the major contributors to her death.

The Doctors in attendance, and who oversaw her case I believe were persuaded by her age not to intervene and only offer palliative care.

This of course cannot be proven, but when I confronted the Cardiologist in charge of her case concerning the matter, he just shrugged his shoulders to my disgust and disbelief.

I let him know my opinion in no uncertain terms.

 

And here we have a strong opinion, not fact. He suspects ageism, and given the circumstances he has every right to. But what you posted in your opening post was presented as fact which is baseless.

 

 

I want to tell you that we are all moderators on the forum. I have 4 forums, 5 blogs and currently a writer with Helium and Natural News. I did not get that far by being careless with my reporting. We at curezone are naturalist and we care about the nation and also we are realist to realize that there is very much conspiracy in the land such as freedom of speech and religion. there is no such thing.

 

If Chris writes an article it is because he is dang sure it is legit. It is probably one of 3 people on curezone who know the most. I would trust him with my life. Saying all of that I am not sure your age or your experience and just because the newspapers write something does not make it true. As in the #### and bull that is being wrote about all over UK about the impending vaccinations. We know for sure that the vaccinations are what going to kill you.

 

So maybe you don't believe my story but please don't criticize my intentions or my knowledge.

 

Did you google the opening sentence as I suggested? If not, I wonder why? And if you did, you should have clearly seen that what you wrote is a chain e-mail floating around for some months. I never criticised your intentions, as I'm certain you meant well. I am however, simply pointing out something you might have missed. I can't understand why this would cause you offense. You may well trust Chris with your life but Chris is a human being who can make mistakes. And on this occasion he's made a mistake by presenting something that is not true as fact. And as Muslims, we should never spread falsehood.

 

My age is irrelevant to what I'm trying to say. I live in the UK and I know people over the age of fifty-nine who have had heart treatments. I also know that the claim that over fifty-nines are denied treatment is not the official position of the NHS so we should not say that it is. I'm not defending the NHS, that is not my point in writing this. My point is that as Muslims, we should not spread propaganda without verifying the message. And you have already admitted that you are simply spreading the word, without verifying the message, so I am reminding you that you have an obligation to act otherwise.

 

Peace

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Salaams peeps,

 

I just checked the thread on curezone and there are responses there saying exactly the same thing as me! There is a poster also saying that they googled it and found it is a chain email.

 

Peace

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First I am not a "peeps" this is rude and offensive to a woman. You need to be more respectful of a woman who is your elder. If you cannot understand underlying causes of a system then it is difficult to explain. It is like saying there is freedom of religion in Britiain which there is not. As we have seen many Muslims tortured just because they are Muslim. So a man goes to the doc as I did take my cat and sorry we can't help you we did all we could. It is not written for the public to see but it is written in back offices. So believe it or not, I have a right to publish whatever I deem as a Muslim is fit to publish and if you do not like the piece then it is better to quietly disagree and go on. You have created a huge discussion about nothing. The fact that older people are subject to agism.

 

I might also remind you that it is the month of Shaban and you are better to spend your time on worship and preparing for the 15th of Shaban rather than arguing that you are right, because that is not possible to convince me of.

 

True Muslims do not argue. Allah leaves the person who argues until he stops. Do not make war with the friends of Allah or he will make war with them.

 

Sara

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Salaams peeps,

 

SubhanAllah! I feel you have taken offense to my words when I was only trying to help. I will make this my last post on this as I do not wish to argue for the sake of it. You mentioned that I should quietly disagree but I don't see why I should. Muslims are commanded to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, and so stopping the spread of falsehood is part of this. This is why I commented on your opening post.

 

I might also remind you that it is the month of Shaban and you are better to spend your time on worship and preparing for the 15th of Shaban

 

InshAllah.

 

Peace

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:sl:

 

Mashallah, sister, someone has seen the true veils of Obama! I feel that many muslims are being misguided by this figure, as if he is some sort of savior.

 

Do not let him do this too you, for he is a Zionist, Abortionist fool. I beg Allah subhana wa ta'ala that muslims will finally realize this.

 

I'm glad I have met one.

 

Wasalaam

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MashAllah, you are correct indeed. NO fan of his for sure. When he abandoned the Muslims and forsaked his teachings, I left him. I do like his wife though.

 

Sara

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MashAllah, you are correct indeed. NO fan of his for sure. When he abandoned the Muslims and forsaked his teachings, I left him. I do like his wife though.

 

Sara

Salaam

 

Same, when he left Islam for his gain, even though I was not Muslim at the time, I still decided it was no good to follow him anymore.

 

I disagree with you on his wife though, I also see her as a Zionist Abortionist Anti-Muslim promoter.

 

Wasalaam

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