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Nursery-age children should be monitored for signs of brainwashing by Islamist extremists, according to a leaked police memo obtained by national newspapers.

 

In an e-mail to community groups, an officer in the West Midlands counter-terrorism unit wrote: “I do hope that you will tell me about persons, of whatever age, you think may have been radicalised or be vulnerable to radicalisation ... Evidence suggests that radicalisation can take place from the age of 4.â€

 

The police unit confirmed that counter-terrorist officers specially trained in identifying children and young people vulnerable to radicalisation had visited nursery schools.

 

The Home Office has disclosed, meanwhile, that a seven-year-old has become the youngest child to feature in a scheme to tackle grooming by extremists. David Hanson, the Police Minister, disclosed in a parliamentary answer that the child was one of 228 people referred to the Channel Project, part of Prevent focused on individuals.

 

Editor's Note: other wise known as extra special brain washing to instil secular values where the normal brainwashing at secular schools doesn't work.

 

Criticism of the anti-extremism strategy is growing. The programme, funded from the £3.5 billion per year security budget, is said to stigmatise communities and encourage Muslims to spy on one another.

 

This week John Denham, the Communities Secretary, said that the programme had to be more transparent to dispel “the fear that by joining a Prevent activity, the organisers or the participants are opening themselves up to covert surveillance, intelligence-gathering and the collection of files on the Muslim communitiesâ€.

 

The e-mail obtained by The Times was written by a sergeant in response to Muslim community concerns. He was trying to allay fears but seems to have inflamed them.

 

He wrote: “I am a police officer and therefore it will always be part of my role to gather intelligence and I will report back any information or intelligence which may suggest someone is a terrorist, or is planning to be one or to support others. However, my role is to raise the level of awareness of the threat of terrorism and radicalisation and support and work with partners to try to prevent it.â€

 

Arun Kundnani, of the Institute of Race Relations, contacted the officer and said he was told that officers had visited nursery schools. Mr Kundnani added: “He did seem to think it was standard. He said it wasn’t just him or his unit that was doing it. He said the indicators were they [children] might draw pictures of bombs and say things like ‘all Christians are bad’ or that they believe in an Islamic state. It seems that nursery teachers in the West Midlands area are being asked to look out for radicalisation. He also said that targeting young children was important because they would be left aware of what was inappropriate to say at school. He felt that it was necessary to cover nurseries as well as primary and secondary schools. He said it was a precaution and that he wasn’t expecting to come back with a list.â€

 

The West Midlands counter-terrorism unit confirmed that its officer had visited such educational establishments including this nursery school attached to a primary school and had spoken to staff. The unit said that it had 21 uniformed counter-terrorism officer who engaged openly and directly with communities, schools and other public bodies.

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(you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_theislamicstandard.wordpress(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/2009/12/11/revealed-british-police-spy-on-muslim-toddlers/"]FROM LEICESTER “He did seem to think it was standard. He said it wasn’t just him or his unit that was doing it. He said the indicators were they [children] might draw pictures of bombs and say things like ‘all Christians are bad’ or that they believe in an Islamic state. It seems that nursery teachers in the West Midlands area are being asked to look out for radicalisation.

 

I presume pretty much every Muslim in the world is a radical, if believing in an Islamic State is an indicator.

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I presume pretty much every Muslim in the world is a radical, if believing in an Islamic State is an indicator.

That would be odd. But I wonder if the context isn't something like, "Creating an Islamic State in (or of) the UK". That sort of thinking might be considered radical since it would imply the overthrow of the state. I don't know that this is what he meant when he said that, but I'm just trying to think of how it could make sense and not make the guy out to be an idiot, since the other things on the list are obviously extreme.

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I am sympathetic to the authors perspective here. No one wants police surveillance of small children. But I wonder, is the complaint here that the police are unjustified in their concern about extremism in the Muslim community or that their investigation is too narrow and that extremism is present in all elements of the society and that their concerns are too narrow because of bias?

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That would be odd. But I wonder if the context isn't something like, "Creating an Islamic State in (or of) the UK". That sort of thinking might be considered radical since it would imply the overthrow of the state. I don't know that this is what he meant when he said that, but I'm just trying to think of how it could make sense and not make the guy out to be an idiot, since the other things on the list are obviously extreme.

 

The distinction is never made in the media nor by politicians. Believing in an Islamic state = radical/fundamentalist/Islamist/terrorist/extremist/Islamic imperialist/anti-semite etc.

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I found the article to be rather funny. What sort of "extremist" leaves his child at a nursery school? If someone wishes to harm a group of people, they're not that likely to leave their children with the enemy. Secondly, I couldn't help but laugh at that bit about children drawing pictures of bombs. It depicts an image of a man sitting at a table with his child, helping him color in a picture of a hand-drawn bomb.

 

Maybe humor is misplaced here, since this is a grave matter, but really.

 

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I personally disagree with children being spied on. However, I do think that prevention measures such as this are a good idea.

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The distinction is never made in the media nor by politicians. Believing in an Islamic state = radical/fundamentalist/Islamist/terrorist/extremist/Islamic imperialist/anti-semite etc.

 

The distinction doesn't need to be repeated by the media. When certain extremists gathered in huge groups after the 7/7 bombings and chanted "Down, Down UK...", i believe a certain imprint was left on the UK.

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"Spied on" is prety dubious language. Kindergarten teachers are supposed to watch out for certain behaviours in children which might indicate that they are being sexually abused, starved, beaten, living with drug abusing parents and so on. Is that srt of thing "spying"?

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The distinction doesn't need to be repeated by the media. When certain extremists gathered in huge groups after the 7/7 bombings and chanted "Down, Down UK...", i believe a certain imprint was left on the UK.

 

This comment addressed nothing I said.

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My main issue with this is that they are saying "we must monitor Muslim children to ensure they don't become criminals due to bad influences". But why single out Muslim children? Either monitor ALL children to see if they are being influenced by bad people? Or monitor none.

 

It is not right to just single out one group of people's children in this way.

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