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What would likely to exist in heaven?

 

Are we going to exist in the human form? Are the currently jinns going to exist in their origianl jinn form?

Do the souls of currently gender biased humans manifest in a gender neutral form?

Who would be the virgins of the heavens?

 

Weird questions to ask?

People often blame Islam for having a man oriented heaven.

Now I pose these questions for you who blame it?

Are these questions far fetched, outward rediculuos?

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And they ask you concerning the soul. Say: "The soul is one of the things, of which the knowledge is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little." [17:85]

 

A lot of what you're asking is part of knowledge of Al-Ghayb (the Unseen). Such knowledge is with Allah.

 

Except for your question about the virgins of Heaven - technically, if a female dies a virgin, I doubt she will automatically lose that. But I think you're referring to the Hoor-ul-ayn, a creation of Heaven different from us.

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æÚáíßã ÇáÓáÇ sister Redeem,

 

Yes, i thought that if i posed questions that aren't answered by quran it might give room for possibilities of interpertation.

Especially when answerig the question of an earthly human virgin dies:

will she become a virgin in heavens as depicted by the quran witht term Hoor-ul-ayn?

 

Firstly,

I doubt it to be that way. That would do injustice to her and to her fellow earthly human females alike.

I have a feeling that this virgin will be role playing a man typed entity. I'm not sure what the entity be called, a spirit? or another manifestation?

 

Secondly,

In heaven what stops a man typed entity role from having an intercourse with another man typed entity?

That's why there is this term, I love you for Allah?

 

Thirdly,

The greatest sensation in heaven is the sensation of meeting the creator Himself.

unimaginable magnitude of satisfaction. everything positive is possible :sl:

 

Next is up to you.. :sl:

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The earthly women will not become Hoor-ul-ayn, that much is clear. The hoor-ul-ayn and the servant boys are a different creation.

 

Secondly,

In heaven what stops a man typed entity role from having an intercourse with another man typed entity?

That's why there is this term, I love you for Allah?

 

They aren't entities. They are simply men and women. And based on the Qur'an and Hadiths, I'm pretty sure they will be flesh and blood.

 

What stops a man from having intercourse with another man is the fact that this is a major sin - and the people of Heaven are incapable of sinning. There is only goodness in Heaven; there is no devil to entice them into evil deeds and there is no greedy soul to misguide them either.

 

Thirdly,

The greatest sensation in heaven is the sensation of meeting the creator Himself.

unimaginable magnitude of satisfaction. everything positive is possible smile.gif

 

Indeed. May Allah honor us with meeting Him.

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An even better question is that, if there is an afterlife, what will people be doing for eternity? What would you do if you made it that far? What happens after the end?

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The earthly women will not become Hoor-ul-ayn, that much is clear. The hoor-ul-ayn and the servant boys are a different creation.

They aren't entities. They are simply men and women. And based on the Qur'an and Hadiths, I'm pretty sure they will be flesh and blood.

 

I have a background of computer science, so i probably use different terminology. and there where misunderstanding comes..

but it's human.. that's why we are told to share and to understand each other..

íóÇ ÃóíøõåóÇ ÇáäøóÇÓõ ÅöäøóÇ ÎóáóÞúäóÇßõãú ãöäú ÃóßóÑò æóÃõäúËóì æóÌóÚóáúäóÇßõãú ÔõÚõæÈðÇ æóÞóÈóÇÆöáó áöÊóÚóÇÑóÃõæÇ Åöäøó ÃóßúÑóãóßõãú ÚöäúÃó Çááøóåö ÃóÊúÞóÇßõãú Åöäøó Çááøóåó Úóáöíãñ ÎóÈöíÑñ (13)

 

what i meant for enity is a general form of the concept "thing", probably in the religious terminology "creation"

as i don't know for sure if it will manifest as a human male/female like "thing", or other bewildering "thing" such as these:

æóíóØõæÃõ Úóáóíúåöãú ÛöáúãóÇäñ áøóåõãú ßóÃóäøóåõãú áõÄúáõÄñ ãøóßúäõæäñ

At-tur [52:24]

 

 

What stops a man from having intercourse with another man is the fact that this is a major sin - and the people of Heaven are incapable of sinning. There is only goodness in Heaven; there is no devil to entice them into evil deeds and there is no greedy soul to misguide them either.

Indeed. May Allah honor us with meeting Him.

 

it's a sin to drink alcohol in this world, but is it in the heavens?

in heaven i don't recollect any constraints imposed on it's "inhabitant"

 

íõØóÇÃõ Úóáóíúåöãú ÈöÕöÃóÇÃò ãöäú ÃóåóÈò æóÃóßúæóÇÈò æóÃöíåóÇ ãóÇ ÊóÔúÊóåöíåö ÇáúÃóäúÃõÓõ æóÊóáóÃøõ ÇáúÃóÚúíõäõ æóÃóäúÊõãú ÃöíåóÇ ÎóÇáöÃõæäó (71) æóÊöáúßó ÇáúÌóäøóÉõ ÇáøóÊöí ÃõæÑöËúÊõãõæåóÇ ÈöãóÇ ßõäúÊõãú ÊóÚúãóáõæäó (72) áóßõãú ÃöíåóÇ ÃóÇßöåóÉñ ßóËöíÑóÉñ ãöäúåóÇ ÊóÃúßõáõæäó (73)

Q 43:71-73

Whatever the entity wills..

 

æóÃóãøóÇ ÇáøóÃöíäó ÓõÚöÃõæÇ ÃóÃöí ÇáúÌóäøóÉö ÎóÇáöÃöíäó ÃöíåóÇ ãóÇ ÃóÇãóÊö ÇáÓøóãóæóÇÊõ æóÇáúÃóÑúÖõ ÅöáøóÇ ãóÇ ÔóÇÃó ÑóÈøõßó ÚóØóÇÃð ÛóíúÑó ãóÌúÃõæÃò (108)

Q 11:108

notice the word ãóÌúÃõæÃò , it has a notion of unlimited, unbroken. Allah doesn't expound on the type of "unlimited"-ness, is it of quantity, quality, a different form altogether?

 

ÌóäøóÇÊõ ÚóÃúäò íóÃúÎõáõæäóåóÇ ÊóÌúÑöí ãöäú ÊóÃúÊöåóÇ ÇáúÃóäúåóÇÑõ áóåõãú ÃöíåóÇ ãóÇ íóÔóÇÃõæäó ßóÃóáößó íóÌúÒöí Çááøóåõ ÇáúãõÊøóÞöíäó (31)

Q 16:31

Anything they will..no limits.. :no:

 

consider:

åõãú æóÃóÒúæóÇÌõåõãú Ãöí ÙöáóÇáò Úóáóì ÇáúÃóÑóÇÆößö ãõÊøóßöÆõæäó (56)

Q 36:56

What if they didn't have a believing spouse in earth? would they be widowed in heaven? i don't think so..

it makes much more sense if the interpertation would be a male typed role entity with the wife as a surprising "thing". flesh and blood is just a concept, if you know what i mean.. :j:

just as the fruits of heaven

æóÈóÔøöÑö ÇáøóÃöíäó ÂóãóäõæÇ æóÚóãöáõæÇ ÇáÕøóÇáöÃóÇÊö Ãóäøó áóåõãú ÌóäøóÇÊò ÊóÌúÑöí ãöäú ÊóÃúÊöåóÇ ÇáúÃóäúåóÇÑõ ßõáøóãóÇ ÑõÒöÞõæÇ ãöäúåóÇ ãöäú ËóãóÑóÉò ÑöÒúÞðÇ ÞóÇáõæÇ åóÃóÇ ÇáøóÃöí ÑõÒöÞúäóÇ ãöäú ÞóÈúáõ æóÃõÊõæÇ Èöåö ãõÊóÔóÇÈöåðÇ æóáóåõãú ÃöíåóÇ ÃóÒúæóÇÌñ ãõØóåøóÑóÉñ æóåõãú ÃöíåóÇ ÎóÇáöÃõæäó (25)

Q 2:25

they may look the same, but in actuality they're different.. the essence is different..

that's why i rather use "thing"/entity..

cuz i don't want to be in for surprises expecting something that wasn't promissed for..

but yet again..i wouldn't mind if it turned out to be even better.. :sl:

 

and here is the aya your waiting for:

ãóËóáõ ÇáúÌóäøóÉö ÇáøóÊöí æõÚöÃó ÇáúãõÊøóÞõæäó ÃöíåóÇ ÃóäúåóÇÑñ ãöäú ãóÇÃò ÛóíúÑö ÂóÓöäò æóÃóäúåóÇÑñ ãöäú áóÈóäò áóãú íóÊóÛóíøóÑú ØóÚúãõåõ æóÃóäúåóÇÑñ ãöäú ÎóãúÑò áóÃøóÉò áöáÔøóÇÑöÈöíäó æóÃóäúåóÇÑñ ãöäú ÚóÓóáò ãõÕóÃøðì æóáóåõãú ÃöíåóÇ ãöäú ßõáøö ÇáËøóãóÑóÇÊö æóãóÛúÃöÑóÉñ ãöäú ÑóÈøöåöãú ßóãóäú åõæó ÎóÇáöÃñ Ãöí ÇáäøóÇÑö æóÓõÞõæÇ ãóÇÃð ÃóãöíãðÇ ÃóÞóØøóÚó ÃóãúÚóÇÃóåõãú (15)

clearly it would be sinful to drink ÎóãúÑò in earth, but not in heaven.. :D

the possibilities are endless.. :D

that's why comparing heaven and earth is like comparing 70 star hotel meal to rotten dog food being wrestled over by many of them..

 

wallahua3lam

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An even better question is that, if there is an afterlife, what will people be doing for eternity? What would you do if you made it that far? What happens after the end?

 

i'd hoped to be :

-praising Allah,

-having fun with the many virgins.. :D

-bunjee jumping, but without the ropes.. :sl:

-beaming up from planet to another, from one star to another..

-i'd like to do rock climbing, if i fell i'd have 99 lives more.. :sl:, i'll try not to use my wings.. :no::P

-studying new sciences..

-cloning new creatures..

-mutating new speciments..

-enjoying life.. :j: :D :D

 

 

...

and here is the aya your waiting for:

ãóËóáõ ÇáúÌóäøóÉö ÇáøóÊöí æõÚöÃó ÇáúãõÊøóÞõæäó ÃöíåóÇ ÃóäúåóÇÑñ ãöäú ãóÇÃò ÛóíúÑö ÂóÓöäò æóÃóäúåóÇÑñ ãöäú áóÈóäò áóãú íóÊóÛóíøóÑú ØóÚúãõåõ æóÃóäúåóÇÑñ ãöäú ÎóãúÑò áóÃøóÉò áöáÔøóÇÑöÈöíäó æóÃóäúåóÇÑñ ãöäú ÚóÓóáò ãõÕóÃøðì æóáóåõãú ÃöíåóÇ ãöäú ßõáøö ÇáËøóãóÑóÇÊö æóãóÛúÃöÑóÉñ ãöäú ÑóÈøöåöãú ßóãóäú åõæó ÎóÇáöÃñ Ãöí ÇáäøóÇÑö æóÓõÞõæÇ ãóÇÃð ÃóãöíãðÇ ÃóÞóØøóÚó ÃóãúÚóÇÃóåõãú (15)

...

btw it's in

Q 47:15 (interesting that it's in the soorah named after the prophet pbuh :D )

 

..

Indeed. May Allah honor us with meeting Him.

Yup, Ameen.

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Salaam

 

Not sure where I got this information from, but I have heard that we will be restored to our youthfulness and all defects and deficiencies removed.

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Praise be to Allaah.

 

In His Holy Book, Allaah has mentioned Paradise and what He has prepared therein. He has mentioned the attributes of Paradise and of its people in numerous places in the Qur’aan, such as the aayaat (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“Therein will be a running spring.

 

Therein will be thrones raised high.

 

And cups set at hand.

 

And cushions set in rows.

 

And rich carpets (all) spread outâ€

 

[al-Ghaashiyah 88:12-16]

 

“But for him who fears the standing before his Lord, there will be two Gardens (i.e. in Paradise).

 

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

 

With spreading branches.

 

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

 

In them (both) will be two springs flowing (free).

 

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

 

In them (both) will be every kind of fruit in pairs.â€

 

[al-Rahmaan 55:46-52]

 

“Wherein both will be Qaasiraat ut-Tarf [chaste females (wives) restraining their glances, desiring none except - their husbands], with whom no man or jinni has had Tamth [sexual intercourse] before them.

 

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

 

(In beauty) they are like rubies and coral.â€

 

[al-Rahmaan 55:56-58]

 

“Hoor (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilionsâ€

 

[al-Rahmaan 55:72]

 

“And (there will be) Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes (as wives for Al-Muttaqoon – the pious).

 

Like unto preserved pearls.

 

A reward for what they used to do.â€

 

[al-Waaqi’ah 56:22-24]

 

There are many saheeh ahaadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which describe the women of Paradise and state that they will be prepared on the Day of Resurrection for the muttaqoon (pious). Among these ahaadeeth is the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

 

“The first group to enter Paradise will look like the moon on the night when it is full, then those who follow them will look like the brightest star in the sky; they will not urinate or defecate or spit or blow their noses. Their combs will be of gold and their sweat will be musk and their incense-burners will be pearls. Their wives will be al-hoor al-‘iyn. Their appearance will be the same and they will look like their father Adam who was sixty cubits tall.â€

 

(Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2015).

 

It was also reported that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A tent will be a pearl sixty miles high, in each corner of which will be a wife for the believer whom no one else will see.†(Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3357).

 

In these ahaadeeth the women of Paradise are mentioned who have been prepared for the men. In His Book, Allaah called them al-Hoor. Al-Hoor is the plural of Hooraa’ . Al-Qurtubi said in al-Ahkaam (17/12): “(This means) a woman in whose eyes the white is intensely white and the black is intensely black.†We believe in that with absolute faith uncontaminated with any doubts. It is part of the essentials of our belief. For more information see Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Kitaab Bad’ al-Khalq, Baab Sifat al-Jannah; and Saheeh Muslim, Abwaab Sifat al-Jannah; and Sifat al-Jannah by Abu’l-Na’eem al-Isfahaani, which describes the women of the people of Paradise and their beauty.

 

With regard to the question about why Islam encourages and gives glad tidings of things in Paradise which are forbidden in this world, such as men having intimate relationships with women outside of the framework of marriage – before we answer this question, we must make a serious point, which is that Allaah forbids whatever He wills in this world to its people, for He is the Creator and Sovereign of these things, so it is not permissible for anyone to object to the ruling of Allaah on the basis of his foolish thinking and imperfect understanding. The ruling and the decision of the matter, before and after, is only with Allaah, and there is none who can overturn His ruling, may He be glorified and exalted.

 

With regard to the question of why Allaah forbids some things in this world, then in the Hereafter will permit them as a reward to those who abstained from them (such as wine, zinaa, wearing silk for men, etc.), this is what Allaah wills to give as a reward to those who obey Him and patiently strive in this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“Is there any reward for good other than good?†[al-Rahmaan 55:60]

 

With regard to the reason why these things are forbidden, there follow a few important points:

 

Firstly:

 

We do not necessarily know all the reasons why things are forbidden. There are some reasons which we do not know. The basic principle is to accept and submit to the texts even if we do not know the reason, because submission is the point of Islam which is based on complete obedience to Allaah, may He be exalted.

 

Secondly:

 

Some of the reasons for the prohibitions may be clear to us, such as the corruptions that result from zinaa, e.g., the mixing of lineages, the spread of fatal diseases and so on. When Islam forbids unlawful relationships, the intention is to protect people’s lineage and honour, which may not mean anything to the kaafirs and immoral people, who jump on one another like donkeys, with a boyfriend having intercourse with his girlfriend and people having intercourse with their own relatives and so on, as if they are in the jungle. Indeed, they are worse than animals, for some animals refuse to do such a thing, but these people do not refuse and do not care. As a result of this promiscuity, the ties that bind society disintegrate and it becomes filled with fatal sexual diseases which are an indication of the wrath of Allaah towards those who violate His sacred limits and make permissible that which is forbidden.

 

This is unlike the relationship of a man with the Hooris in Paradise – which is what has been asked about here – for we may note that in the case of a promiscuous woman in this world, her honour is readily available to all and she has no religious commitment or shame. She is not bound by a lawful relationship to one person. So men and women have intercourse with whomever they want, with no restrictions of religion or morality. But the hooris in Paradise are restrained and restricted to their husbands to whom Allaah has given them as a reward for their patience in abstaining from haraam things in this world. As Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

 

“Hoor (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilionsâ€

 

[al-Rahmaan 55:72]

 

“with whom no man or jinni has had Tamth [sexual intercourse] before them.†[al-Rahmaan 55:56]

 

The hoori is a wife for the man, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“… and We shall marry them to Hooris [female fair ones] with wide, lovely eyes…†[al-Dukhaan 44:54].

 

And they will be confined to their husbands, and no one else will have a share in them.

 

Thirdly:

 

Allaah – who has declared that in this world a man is not permitted to have more than four wives at one time – is the One Who will bless the people of Paradise with whatever He wills of al-hoor al-‘iyn. So there is no contradiction between what is forbidden in this world and in the Hereafter, because the rulings of each are different, in accordance with what the Lord wills. Undoubtedly the Hereafter is far better and more lasting than this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“Beautified for men is the love of things they covet; women, children, much of gold and silver (wealth), branded beautiful horses, cattle and well-tilled land. This is the pleasure of the present world’s life; but Allaah has the excellent return (Paradise with flowing rivers) with Him.

 

Say: ‘Shall I inform you of things far better than those? For Al-Muttaqoon (the pious) there are Gardens (Paradise) with their Lord, underneath which rivers flow. Therein (is their) eternal (home) and Azwaajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives). And Allaah will be pleased with them. And Allaah is All-Seer of the (His) slaves.’â€

 

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:14-15]

 

Fourthly:

 

This prohibition may be a kind of test from Allaah to His slaves, to see whether they will obey these commands and avoid that which He has forbidden. The test could not be with regard to something for which people have no inclination and which they do not like; it has to be with regard to something to which they are inclined and attracted. This testing may include wealth – will a person take from that which is permitted and dispose of it in manners which are permitted, and will he fulfil the rights which Allaah has over it? The test with regard to women is: will he restrict himself to that which Allaah has permitted him of women, and will he lower his gaze and avoid seeking pleasure in that which Allaah has forbidden. It is an aspect of Allaah’s mercy – may He be exalted and glorified – that He does not forbid something to which people are inclined without allowing something of that nature and there is much which is permitted.

 

Fifthly:

 

The rulings (ahkaam) of this world are not like the rulings of the Hereafter. The wine of this world causes people to lose their minds, unlike the good wine of the Hereafter which does not make people lose their minds or cause headaches or stomachaches. What Allaah has prepared for the believers of women on the Day of Resurrection as a reward for their obedience is not like zinaa which violates people’s honour, confuses lineages, spreads diseases and leads to regret. The women of Paradise are pure and good; they will never die or get old, unlike the women of this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation.

 

And made them virgins.

 

Loving (their husbands only), (and) of equal ageâ€

 

[al-Waaqi’ah 56:35]

 

We ask Allaah to bless us with the best of this world and the next, and to help us to be obedient to His commands and to have certain faith in His reward and to keep us safe from His punishment. And Allaah knows best.

 

Islam Q&A

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

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“Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation.

 

And made them virgins.

 

Loving (their husbands only), (and) of equal ageâ€

 

[al-Waaqi’ah 56:35]

 

We ask Allaah to bless us with the best of this world and the next, and to help us to be obedient to His commands and to have certain faith in His reward and to keep us safe from His punishment. And Allaah knows best.

 

Islam Q&A

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

 

I love this subject.. :sl:

Hope I can witness it first hand..

Jazakallah sheikh.. :sl:

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it's a sin to drink alcohol in this world, but is it in the heavens?

 

:sl:

 

Alcohol makes a person lose their senses and leads to evils. Wine in Jannah does not.

 

Homosexuality is an evil in itself, an abomination as bad as murder and other major sins. It goes against what Allah's creation and will never be permitted, nor will the people of Jannah desire it.

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Sister, there are no sins in heaven. You can do whatever you like, as long as Allah wills.

In the verse i quoted earlier explicitly says you are allowed to do anything with no limit.

 

So maybe you can prove me wrong?

On the other hand, your claim that there is still sinful acts can be committed in jannah, is something needs proving.

 

I also think It is only limited by your imagination and that each layer of jannah is about layers of imagination.

 

The motive i'm using this logic is to prove that Allah swt is not unfair towards the female race of the earthly humans.

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al-hoor al-‘iyn are of a different creation. The lowest of the people of Paradise will have two wives from al-hoor al-‘iyn:

 

It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The lowest of the people of Paradise in status will be a man whose face Allaah will turn away from the Fire towards Paradise, and make a shady tree appear before him. … Then he will enter his house and his two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn will enter after him. They will say: ‘Praise be to Allah Who has created you for us and us for you.’ And he will say: ‘No one has been given the like of that which I have been given.’" [Muslim]

 

Also please consider the following:

 

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Barraak (may Allaah preserve him) said:

 

There is no way to know matters of the unseen except by information from the infallible one (i.e., the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)), because matters of the unseen cannot be known by reasoning and thinking. Information about Paradise is one of the matters of the unseen that are hidden, and we must adhere to what has been stated in the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah. We must believe in Paradise and what Allaah has told us of the various delights therein, whilst remembering that its realities are known only to Allaah...

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al-hoor al-‘iyn are of a different creation. The lowest of the people of Paradise will have two wives from al-hoor al-‘iyn:

 

It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The lowest of the people of Paradise in status will be a man whose face Allaah will turn away from the Fire towards Paradise, and make a shady tree appear before him. … Then he will enter his house and his two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn will enter after him. They will say: ‘Praise be to Allah Who has created you for us and us for you.’ And he will say: ‘No one has been given the like of that which I have been given.’" [Muslim]

 

Also please consider the following:

 

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Barraak (may Allaah preserve him) said:

 

There is no way to know matters of the unseen except by information from the infallible one (i.e., the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)), because matters of the unseen cannot be known by reasoning and thinking. Information about Paradise is one of the matters of the unseen that are hidden, and we must adhere to what has been stated in the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah. We must believe in Paradise and what Allaah has told us of the various delights therein, whilst remembering that its realities are known only to Allaah...

 

agreed

 

jazakallah for the insights..

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Sister, there are no sins in heaven. You can do whatever you like, as long as Allah wills.

In the verse i quoted earlier explicitly says you are allowed to do anything with no limit.

 

So maybe you can prove me wrong?

 

:sl:

 

Brother, did you create this topic to argue for homosexuality? I'm becoming confused.

 

The people of Jannah will be the best among mankind. Their hearts will be clean of hatred and immoral desires. They will have whatever they desire, but that does not mean that they will desire immoral acts.

 

They shall not hear therein any Laghw (ignorant, useless speech), but only Salam. And they will have therein their sustenance, morning and afternoon. [19:62]

 

“And We shall remove from their breasts any (mutual) hatred or sense of injury (which they had, if at all, in the life of this world).†[7:43]

 

“And whoever obeys God and the Messenger – those will be with the ones upon whom God has bestowed favor – of the prophets, the steadfast affirmers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous. And excellent are those as companions!†[4:69]

 

If Allah gives the people of Jannah whatever they want, and allows them to do whatever they want, does that mean that there will be backbiting, and hatred among the believers? As proven by the above verse, no.

 

If Allah gives the people of Jannah whatever they want, and allows them to do whatever they want, does that mean that a believer will not feel like glorifying Allah and might even reject Allah? I doubt it takes a genius to figure this one out.

 

There is a difference between being allowed to do whatever you want, or doing whatever you want. Allah knows that the believers will not "want" to do evils. They will have whatever they want - because their desires will be in harmony with the expectations of Allah.

 

“Is there any reward for good other than good?†[55:60]

 

There is nothing, and I mean nothing, that justifies your argument that the males of Jannah will be committing sodomy. There are verses after verses, and Hadiths after Hadiths, that speak of marriage between a MAN and a WOMAN, both in this life and in the hereafter. How do we know that wine will be lawful? Because the Qur'an says so! What is the difference between the wine of this world and that of Jannah? The wine of Jannah does not intoxicate people, and make them senseless.

 

“Crystal-white, delicious to those who drink (thereof), free from intoxication, nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom†[37:46-47]

 

And who does the Qur'an and the Sunnah say will be the mates of the men of Jannah? Hoor-ul-ayn and women of this world. I don't need to quote verses to prove this.

 

Verses dealing with Homosexuality:

 

You do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. "Do you indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" [29:28]

 

And (remember) Lut! When he said to his people: "Do you commit immoral sins while you see'') (55. "Do you practice your lusts on men instead of women Nay, but you are a people who are grossly ignorant! But his people gave no other answer but this: they said, "Drive out the followers of Lut from your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!"'' [27:54-56]

 

"Go you in unto the males of Al-`Alamin (people). And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your wives Nay, you are a trespassing people! They said: "If you cease not, O Lut, verily, you will be one of those who are driven out!' He said: "I am indeed of those who disapprove with severe anger and fury your behavior. My Lord! Save me and my family from what they do.'' [26:1165-169]

 

What, suddenly this abomination that is homosexuality will become desirable to people who were pure in their lives in this world? SubhanAllah. Homosexuality goes against the Fitrah; it goes against nature. It is the last thing that righteous men will want for themselves.

 

And you shouldn't be contemplating such a thing, it might soften your heart towards it.

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Brother, did you create this topic to argue for homosexuality? I'm becoming confused.

 

now now sister..

let's keep calm here..

i'm on the good side here inshaallah.. :sl:

i'll get back to you on this topic when i'm finished with work tonight inshaallah

seems to me that there's a lot of explaining need be done..

 

but just to tuch on it for a moment

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And (remember) Lut! When he said to his people: "Do you commit immoral sins while you see'') (55. "Do you practice your lusts on men instead of women Nay, but you are a people who are grossly ignorant! But his people gave no other answer but this: they said, "Drive out the followers of Lut from your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!"'' [27:54-56]

the complete redaction:

æóáõæØðÇ ÅöÃú ÞóÇáó áöÞóæúãöåö ÃóÊóÃúÊõæäó ÇáúÃóÇÃöÔóÉó æóÃóäúÊõãú ÊõÈúÕöÑõæäó (54) ÃóÆöäøóßõãú áóÊóÃúÊõæäó ÇáÑøöÌóÇáó ÔóåúæóÉð ãöäú Ãõæäö ÇáäøöÓóÇÃö Èóáú ÃóäúÊõãú Þóæúãñ ÊóÌúåóáõæäó (55)

ÃóãóÇ ßóÇäó ÌóæóÇÈó Þóæúãöåö ÅöáøóÇ Ãóäú ÞóÇáõæÇ ÃóÎúÑöÌõæÇ Âóáó áõæØò ãöäú ÞóÑúíóÊößõãú Åöäøóåõãú ÃõäóÇÓñ íóÊóØóåøóÑõæäó (56)

 

Here the homo's are accused of being Þóæúãñ ÊóÌúåóáõæäó.

They are ignorant of what?

 

"Go you in unto the males of Al-`Alamin (people). And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your wives Nay, you are a trespassing people! They said: "If you cease not, O Lut, verily, you will be one of those who are driven out!' He said: "I am indeed of those who disapprove with severe anger and fury your behavior. My Lord! Save me and my family from what they do.'' [26:1165-169][/b]

the complete redaction:

ÃóÊóÃúÊõæäó ÇáÃøõßúÑóÇäó ãöäó ÇáúÚóÇáóãöíäó (165) æóÊóÃóÑõæäó ãóÇ ÎóáóÞó áóßõãú ÑóÈøõßõãú ãöäú ÃóÒúæóÇÌößõãú Èóáú ÃóäúÊõãú Þóæúãñ ÚóÇÃõæäó (166) ÞóÇáõæÇ áóÆöäú áóãú ÊóäúÊóåö íóÇ áõæØõ áóÊóßõæäóäøó ãöäó ÇáúãõÎúÑóÌöíäó (167) ÞóÇáó Åöäøöí áöÚóãóáößõãú ãöäó ÇáúÞóÇáöíäó (168) ÑóÈøö äóÌøöäöí æóÃóåúáöí ãöãøóÇ íóÚúãóáõæäó (169)

 

æóÊóÃóÑõæäó ãóÇ ÎóáóÞó áóßõãú ÑóÈøõßõãú ãöäú ÃóÒúæóÇÌößõãú

Allah has created the human male for the human female. vice versa.

 

Are we going to be human in the heaven?

 

But I hope to expound on the subject more later inshaallah.

 

What, suddenly this abomination that is homosexuality will become desirable to people who were pure in their lives in this world? SubhanAllah. Homosexuality goes against the Fitrah; it goes against nature. It is the last thing that righteous men will want for themselves.

 

And you shouldn't be contemplating such a thing, it might soften your heart towards it.

 

Sister, The knowledge of the world and the rahmah of Allah swt in this world is only a fraction of what is in heaven.

Inshaallah, Allah will protect me.

 

Until then please be patient.

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now now sister..

let's keep calm here..

 

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Brother Abu3ammar, don't patronize me. I asked you a question, and you simply have to answer it, instead of implying that I'm anything but calm or patient. Especially when I have given you no reason to jump the gun.

 

For one thing, it's against the forum rules for you to promote unIslamic behavior such as homosexuality. I'm just making sure you're doing what I think you're doing.

 

the complete redaction:

æóáõæØðÇ ÅöÃú ÞóÇáó áöÞóæúãöåö ÃóÊóÃúÊõæäó ÇáúÃóÇÃöÔóÉó æóÃóäúÊõãú ÊõÈúÕöÑõæäó (54) ÃóÆöäøóßõãú áóÊóÃúÊõæäó ÇáÑøöÌóÇáó ÔóåúæóÉð ãöäú Ãõæäö ÇáäøöÓóÇÃö Èóáú ÃóäúÊõãú Þóæúãñ ÊóÌúåóáõæäó (55)

ÃóãóÇ ßóÇäó ÌóæóÇÈó Þóæúãöåö ÅöáøóÇ Ãóäú ÞóÇáõæÇ ÃóÎúÑöÌõæÇ Âóáó áõæØò ãöäú ÞóÑúíóÊößõãú Åöäøóåõãú ÃõäóÇÓñ íóÊóØóåøóÑõæäó (56)

 

Here the homo's are accused of being Þóæúãñ ÊóÌúåóáõæäó.

They are ignorant of what?

 

(Do you practice your lusts on men instead of women Nay, but you are a people who behave senselessly.) means, `you do not know anything of what is natural or what is prescribed by Allah.' This is like the Ayah:

 

[ÃóÊóÃúÊõæäó ÇáÃøõßúÑóÇäó ãöäó ÇáúÚóÜáóãöíäó - æóÊóÃóÑõæäó ãóÇ ÎóáóÞó áóßõãú ÑóÈøõßõãú ãøöäú ÃóÒúæóÌößõãú Èóáú ÃóäÊõãú Þóæúãñ ÚóÇÃõæäó ]

 

(Go you in unto the males of mankind, and leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your wives Nay, you are a trespassing people!) (26:165-166)

 

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Are we going to be human in the heaven?

 

The people of Paradise will enter Paradise in the most perfect and beautiful form, in the form of their father Adam (peace be upon him), whom Allaah created with His own hand and perfected his form and made his shape beautiful. Everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam. It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah created Adam in his form, sixty cubits tall… and everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam, sixty cubits tall…†[Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5873; Muslim, 7092]

 

It was narrated from Mu’aadh ibn Jabal that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The people of Paradise will enter Paradise hairless, beardless with their eyes anointed with kohl, aged thirty or thirty-three years.†[Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2545. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 7928]

 

Here is proof that we will be flesh-and-bones human beings on the Day of Judgment:

 

Does man think that We shall not assemble his bones. Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers. [75:3-4]

 

For the description of the punishment of Hellfire, Allah says Surah Al-Mudathir:

 

26. I will cast him into Saqar.

27. And what will make you know (exactly) what Saqar is

28. It spares not, nor does it leave (anything)!

29. Scorching for the humans!

 

(It spares not, nor does it leave (anything)!) meaning, it eats their flesh, veins, nerves and their skins. Then their organs will be changed into something else. They will remain in this (form), not living or dying. This was stated by Ibn Buraydah, Abu Sinan and others. Concerning Allah's statement,

 

[áóæøóÇÃóÉñ áøöáúÈóÔóÑö ]

 

(Scorching for the humans!) Mujahid said, "This means for the skin.'' Qatadah said,

 

[áóæøóÇÃóÉñ áøöáúÈóÔóÑö ]

 

(Scorching for the humans!) "This means burning the skin.'' Ibn `Abbas said, "Burning the skin of man.''

 

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About those who are among the righteous:

 

"Some faces that Day will be naadirah (shining and radiant), looking at their Lord." [75:22-23]

 

Then Allah says,

 

[æõÌõæåñ íóæúãóÆöÃò äøóÇÖöÑóÉñ ]

 

(Some faces that Day shall be Nadirah.) which comes from the word Nadarah, which means splendid, radiant, glowing, delighted with goodness.

 

[Åöáóì ÑóÈøöåóÇ äóÇÙöÑóÉñ ]

 

(Looking at their Lord.) meaning, they will see Him with their very eyes. This is just as was recorded by Al-Bukhari in his Sahih,

 

«Åöäøóßõãú ÓóÊóÑóæúäó ÑóÈøóßõãú ÚöíóÇäðÇ»

 

(Verily, you all will see your Lord with your own eyes.)

 

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We aren't going to be "man-type entities" or "women-type entities". We're going to be human beings.

 

Sister, The knowledge of the world and the rahmah of Allah swt in this world is only a fraction of what is in heaven.

 

Which is why it's dangerous for you to derive conclusions that were never stated or even implied by Allah and His messenger, or even the scholars who have been blessed by Allah with 'ilm.

 

1) The Qur'an explicitly states that both alcohol and homosexuality are forbidden.

2) The Qur'an states that the wine of Jannah is a non-intoxicant, unlike alcohol which is an intoxicant.

3) The Qur'an makes it clear that the body of man will be put back together, down to the tips of his finger (meaning, we will have material bodies, we will not be ethereal beings).

4) The Qur'an says over and over that the mates of men are women, and vice versa. It is supported by Hadiths that describe the hoor-ul-ayn and the reunion between man and his wife.

 

There is no validity to your argument. It is based on a single point, which is that Allah will give us whatever we desire. But I have already proven that the dwellers of Jannah will not have evil desires, which homosexuality certainly is.

 

If you are truly on the good side of this argument, then I would advice you to steer clear from supporting homosexuality in any manner.

 

I have to add that even though this is an Islamic forum, it is also an English-speaking forum and a majority of the people do not know Arabic. It would be appreciated if you would write the English translations of verses as well.

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Brother abu3ammar could you please explain with a little more detail what your beliefs are exactly? It SOUNDS as if you are saying that the people of Paradise can go around having sexual intercourse with anyone and everyone. Or maybe I have misunderstood you.

 

I can appreciate what you are saying about how Paradise will be different to this world, and even the laws of Paradise being different to this world and so on... and yes it's something amazing to think about there's no denying that; but maybe in your excitement you've said a few things which you wouldn't have said having thought about them carefully.

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Brother Abu3ammar, don't patronize me. I asked you a question, and you simply have to answer it, instead of implying that I'm anything but calm or patient. Especially when I have given you no reason to jump the gun.

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Sister, let me remind you that you took the prejudice stance first and now you put the blame on me..

 

a sirrah to remind you:

((ÃÎá ÃÃíÃÉ Èä ÇáíãÇä Úáì ÚãÑ Èä ÇáÎØÇÈ ÃÓÃáå: ßíà ÃÕÈÃÊ íÇ ÃÃíÃÉ¿ ÃÃÌÇÈ ÃÃíÃÉ: ÃÕÈÃÊ ÃÃÈ ÇáÃ抃, æÃßÑå ÇáÃÞ, æÃÕáí ÈÛíÑ æÖæÃ, æáí Ãí ÇáÃÑÖ ãÇ áíÓ ááå Ãí ÇáÓãÇÃ, ÃÛÖÈ ÚãÑ ÛÖÈÇð ÔÃíÃÇð, ææáì æÌåå Úäå, æÇÊÃÞ Ãä ÃÎá Úáì Èä ÃÈì ØÇáÈ, ÃÑÂå Úáì Êáß ÇáÃÇá, ÃÓÃáå Úä ÇáÓÈÈ, ÃÃßÑ áå ãÇ ÞÇáå ÇÈä ÇáíãÇä, ÃÞÇá Úáí: áÞà ÕÃÞß ÃíãÇ ÞÇá íÇ ÚãÑ, ÃÞÇá ÚãÑ: æßíà Ãáß¿ ÞÇá Úáí: Åäå íÃÈ ÇáÃ抃 áÞæáå ÊÚÇáì: {ÅäãÇ ÃãæÇáßã æÃæáÇÃßã Ã抃} Ãåæ íÃÈ ÃãæÇáå æÃæáÇÃÃ¥, æíßÑå ÇáÃÞ ÈãÚäì ÇáãæÊ, áÞæáå ÊÚÇáì: {æÇÚÈà ÑÈß ÃÊì íÃÊíß ÇáíÞíä}, æíÕáí ÈÛíÑ æÖæÃ, íÚäí Ãäå íÕáí Úáì ãÃãà Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã, æãÚäì Ãä áå Ãí ÇáÃÑÖ ãÇ áíÓ ááå Ãí ÇáÓãÇÃ, íÚäì Ãä áå ÒæÌÉ æÃæáÇÃÇð, æÇááå ÊÚÇáì åæ ÇáæÇÃà ÇáÃÃÃ, ÇáÃÑà ÇáÕãÃ, ÇáÃí áã íáà æáã íæáÃ, ÃÞÇá ÚãÑ: ÃÃÓäÊ íÇ ÃÈÇ ÇáÃÓä..áÞà ÃÒáÊ ãÇ Ãí ÞáÈí Úáì ÃÃíÃÉ) ) .

 

For one thing, it's against the forum rules for you to promote unIslamic behavior such as homosexuality. I'm just making sure you're doing what I think you're doing.

 

i ask of you not to make misleading accusation. everyone will be accounted for what they say.

 

i asked previously about what did the homo's ignored.

i answered it in the next point by noting the reason to be is the creation of human man and human women are only for the opposite sex and not the same sex.

 

btw, these are all in the context of pre-qiyamah.

Allah swt introduces the concept of post qiyamah, which is rather different from what was in pre-qiyamah.

e.g. (in the soorah you mentioned)

man faces turn dark, some even deformed into other types of faces, etc.

æõÌõæåñ íóæúãóÆöÃò äøóÇÖöÑóÉñ ]

but some pious ones emit light from them, etc.

 

(Do you practice your lusts on men instead of women Nay, but you are a people who behave senselessly.) means, `you do not know anything of what is natural or what is prescribed by Allah.' This is like the Ayah:

 

[ÃóÊóÃúÊõæäó ÇáÃøõßúÑóÇäó ãöäó ÇáúÚóÜáóãöíäó - æóÊóÃóÑõæäó ãóÇ ÎóáóÞó áóßõãú ÑóÈøõßõãú ãøöäú ÃóÒúæóÌößõãú Èóáú ÃóäÊõãú Þóæúãñ ÚóÇÃõæäó ]

 

(Go you in unto the males of mankind, and leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your wives Nay, you are a trespassing people!) (26:165-166)

 

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The people of Paradise will enter Paradise in the most perfect and beautiful form, in the form of their father Adam (peace be upon him), whom Allaah created with His own hand and perfected his form and made his shape beautiful. Everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam. It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah created Adam in his form, sixty cubits tall… and everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam, sixty cubits tall…†[Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5873; Muslim, 7092]

next we go for the 7adeeth you mentioned:

 

3401 - æÈå ÃÃ节 ãÃãà Èä ÃÖíá ¡ Úä ÚãÇÑÉ Èä ÇáÞÚÞÇÚ ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÕÇáà ¡ Úä ÃÈí åÑíÑÉ ÞÇá : ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã : « Ãæá 񋄃 (1) íÃÎáæä ÇáÌäÉ ãä ÃãÊí Úáì ÕæÑÉ ÇáÞãÑ áíáÉ ÇáÈÃÑ ¡ æÇáÃíä íáæäåã Úáì Öæà ÃÔà ßæßÈ Ãí ÇáÓãÇà ÅÖÇÃÉ ¡ áÇ íÈæáæä ¡ æáÇ íÊÛæØæä (2) ¡ æáÇ íÊÃáæä ¡ æáÇ íãÊÎØæä (3) ¡ ÃãÔÇØåã ÇáÃåÈ ¡ æÑÔÃåã ÇáãÓß ¡ æãÌÇãÑåã (4) ÇáÃáæÉ ¡ æÃÒæÇÌåã ÇáÃæÑ ÇáÚíä ¡ ÃÎáÇÞåã Úáì ÎáÞ ÑÌá æÇÃà Úáì ÕæÑÉ ÃÈíåã ÂÃã ÓÊíä ÃÑÇÚÇ » áã íÑæ Ã¥ÃÇ ÇáÃÃíË Úä ÚãÇÑÉ ÅáÇ ãÃãà Èä ÃÖíá

Firstly:

it seems that we have difference in realizing what is considered as image.. (btw it's not form, it's image ÕæÑÉ )

as anyone can see in current days, that image does not always represents it's essence/medium.

the essence can be from things such as clay, fire, etc or paper, stone, etc but the image can be the same..

image of a bird on a stone, image of the same bird on a paper..

images can be 3d also.. like us..in this muddy reality..

 

we also have a similar conceptual notion/parables/pattern with the verse i mentioned earlier:

æóÈóÔøöÑö ÇáøóÃöíäó ÂóãóäõæÇ æóÚóãöáõæÇ ÇáÕøóÇáöÃóÇÊö Ãóäøó áóåõãú ÌóäøóÇÊò ÊóÌúÑöí ãöäú ÊóÃúÊöåóÇ ÇáúÃóäúåóÇÑõ ßõáøóãóÇ ÑõÒöÞõæÇ ãöäúåóÇ ãöäú ËóãóÑóÉò ÑöÒúÞðÇ ÞóÇáõæÇ åóÃóÇ ÇáøóÃöí ÑõÒöÞúäóÇ ãöäú ÞóÈúáõ æóÃõÊõæÇ Èöåö ãõÊóÔóÇÈöåðÇ æóáóåõãú ÃöíåóÇ ÃóÒúæóÇÌñ ãõØóåøóÑóÉñ æóåõãú ÃöíåóÇ ÎóÇáöÃõæäó (25)

Q 2:25

æóÃõÊõæÇ Èöåö ãõÊóÔóÇÈöåðÇ

They thought it was the same fruit..??

But it's not.. the essence is different..the image is the same..

 

Secondly,

what you view as physical solid flesh and blood to humans can be ethereal to jinn, vice versa..it's relative to whose perspective..

ethereal is just a concept.. everything can be considered real, but at the same time everything can be considered ethereal..

it all depends on Allah swt's will..

iblis even though made out of fire, he is still can get burned

humans who are made out of clay, can be flattened by mud brick..

the prophet pbuh can pass through sidratul muntaha, jibriel as cannot..

it's so easy for Allah to change the nature of things..

let alone the essence of in what’s in heaven so as to make sweat become perfume..

 

this same notion can be expanded to the notion of deeds, between good deeds and bad deeds..

in general prostrating to other than the creator is considered blasphemy

iblis didn't prostrate toward adam as.. but it seems that he is the sinner.. why?

because Allah swt ordered him to do so..but he rejected the order..

every action in this world can be bad deed if Allah wills.. vise versa..

Allah wills at that time that a new order be made not of the same previous orders, that is the prostration to adam.

 

i argue, that the world of the heavens is diametrically, orthogonally different from earth because Allah swt wills it so, Allah swt provides examples of it

sex is not a tiresome activity

khamr doesn't make you drunk

people don't sneeze (no illness)

people don't defecated/urinate (no limitations, esp. for same sex thing..you know what I mean)

man faces turn dark, some even deformed into other types of faces, etc.

æõÌõæåñ íóæúãóÆöÃò äøóÇÖöÑóÉñ ]

but some pious ones emit light from them, etc.

 

Thirdly and this one might shock you,

In this exact hadeeth that you mentioned, there was never mentioning of the image of Eve as....

all from the image of adam as.....

what does that imply? those that came from earth and come to heaven, will become male like.

 

So have I proven my point?

 

wallahua3lam

 

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You're nitpicking on language nuances. Image and form are synonyms in the English dictionary. Look in the dictionary if you doubt my words.

 

You say that all women will be turned into men, because the people of Jannah will be in the "image" of Adam? (I'm forced to shake my head vigorously to get beyond the absurdity of this).

 

Pray tell, which scholars support this...unique conclusion of yours?

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You're nitpicking on language nuances. Image and form are synonyms. Look in the dictionary if you doubt my words.

 

You say that all women will be turned into men, because the people of Jannah will be in the "image" of Adam? (I'm forced to shake my head vigorously to get beyond the absurdity of this).

 

Pray tell, which scholars support this...unique conclusion of yours?

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language defines people

the slightes of meaning can make a totally different world..

 

it doesn't matter what i think..

it's what we can interpret from the source..

Allah swt has left no stone unturned.

the deen is complete.

it's all for the interpertation..

the problem is then about guidance..

 

let's pray that alllah guides us to the straight path..

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language defines people

the slightes of meaning can make a totally different world..

 

it doesn't matter what i think..

it's what we can interpret from the source..

Allah swt has left no stone unturned.

the deen is complete.

it's all for the interpertation..

the problem is then about guidance..

 

let's pray that alllah guides us to the straight path..

 

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Even if we go with the definition of "image" that you want, nothing has changed. The Hadith means the same thing it did before.

 

Interpretation of the Qur'an and the Hadiths is not a light matter. If everyone tried to go with what they think is right, our religion would be turned inside out. Ordinary Muslims should reflect and contemplate on the Qur'an, but they should never take it upon themselves to derive meanings from the words to explain concepts that are not tangible.

 

The best thing is to rely on the scholars, or to become one.

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Isn't knowing that Faatimah (may Allah be pleased with her) is the leader of the women of Paradise enough to end this discussion?

 

It was narrated from Masrooq that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “Faatimah came walking in the manner of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘Welcome, O my daughter.’ Then he seated her to his right or to his left, then he said something privately to her and she wept. I said to her, ‘Why are you weeping?’ Then he said something privately to her and she smiled. I said, ‘I have never seen anything like that which I have seen today, of joy so close to grief.’ I asked her what he had said, and she said, ‘I would not disclose the secret of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).’ When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) passed away, I asked her and she said, ‘He told me, “Jibreel used to review the Qur’aan with me once every year, but this year he has reviewed it with me twice, so I know that my appointed time (of death) is approaching. And you will be the first of my family to join me.†So I wept. Then he said, “Would it not please you to be the leader of the women of Paradise or the women of the believers?†So I smiled.’ [bukhari]

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Even if we go with the definition of "image" that you want, nothing has changed. The Hadith means the same thing it did before.

 

Interpretation of the Qur'an and the Hadiths is not a light matter. If everyone tried to go with what they think is right, our religion would be turned inside out. Ordinary Muslims should reflect and contemplate on the Qur'an, but they should never take it upon themselves to derive meanings from the words to explain concepts that are not tangible.

 

The best thing is to rely on the scholars, or to become one.

what if the current condition doesn't allow for the fomer..

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isn't it time for each individual to reach out for Allah's guidance..?

after all, they will only be asked what they know of the truth?

not what others know of the truth..

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