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what if the current condition doesn't allow for the fomer..

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isn't it time for each individual to reach out for Allah's guidance..?

after all, they will only be asked what they know of the truth?

not what others know of the truth..

 

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For the English speaking people:

 

But your Lord is Most forgiving, full of Mercy. If He were to call them (at once) to account for what they have earned, then surely He would have earned, then surely He would have hastened their punishment: but they have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.

 

It's a surprising coincidence that you quote a verse that precedes the story of prophet Musa and Al-Khidr. :no:

 

Because the moral of that story is that even if you have knowledge, there is always someone with more knowledge than you, and that you should be patient with those who do have such knowledge. Not to mention that it is good to learn from people with knowledge, as prophet Musa sought to do when he went to search for Al-Khidr.

 

The verse you quoted means that you are answerabe for your own deeds, it does not mean that you should interpret the Qur'an in any way you desire. Because just as prophet Musa was wrong about the wisdom behind Al-Khidr's actions, it's very easy to be wrong about the wisdom behind Allah's words.

 

Allah has blessed the scholars with knowledge, because they have worked hard to earn it. Without them, we would fall into misguidance.

 

Narrated By Abdillah Ibn Amr Ibn 'Aas (radiallaho 'anhu) he said: I heard the Prophet :sl: say :"Allah does not take away knowledge by taking it away from the hearts of the worshippers. But he takes knowledge by taking away the Ulama (Scholars) until there are hardly any scholars then the people will take ignorant leaders and they will be asked questions and they will give rulings without knowledge so hence they go astray and lead others astray." (Bukhari and Muslim)

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:sl:

 

For the English speaking people:

 

But your Lord is Most forgiving, full of Mercy. If He were to call them (at once) to account for what they have earned, then surely He would have earned, then surely He would have hastened their punishment: but they have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.

 

It's a surprising coincidence that you quote a verse that precedes the story of prophet Musa and Al-Khidr. :j:

 

Because the moral of that story is that even if you have knowledge, there is always someone with more knowledge than you, and that you should be patient with those who do have such knowledge. Not to mention that it is good to learn from people with knowledge, as prophet Musa sought to do when he went to search for Al-Khidr.

 

The verse you quoted means that you are answerabe for your own deeds, it does not mean that you should interpret the Qur'an in any way you desire. Because just as prophet Musa was wrong about the wisdom behind Al-Khidr's actions, it's very easy to be wrong about the wisdom behind Allah's words.

 

Allah has blessed the scholars with knowledge, because they have worked hard to earn it. Without them, we would fall into misguidance.

 

Narrated By Abdillah Ibn Amr Ibn 'Aas (radiallaho 'anhu) he said: I heard the Prophet :no: say :"Allah does not take away knowledge by taking it away from the hearts of the worshippers. But he takes knowledge by taking away the Ulama (Scholars) until there are hardly any scholars then the people will take ignorant leaders and they will be asked questions and they will give rulings without knowledge so hence they go astray and lead others astray." (Bukhari and Muslim)

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I don't recall mentioning the verse you quote.. :-/

was it from a different thread?

the arabic hadeeth i quoted in my previous post was hadeeth 1858 of the book ÔÚÈ ÇáÇíãÇä ááÈíåÞí:

google transalation would translate it to:

"Tell Abu al-Hasan Ali bin Ahmed bin Abadan, tell us Ahmad bin Obaid al-Saffar, Muhammad b. Isa ibn Abi Iyas, Saeed Bin Sulaiman narrated from Abdullah bin Deakin, from Ja'far bin Muhammad from his father, grandfather, Ali ibn Abi Talib , may Allah be pleased with him said: The Messenger of Allah peace be upon him: «is about to come to people's time does not remain of Islam but its name is left of the Koran, but his painting, Masjids filled with the ruins of the guidance, scholars worse than under the canopy of (1) the sky have graduated return to civil strife, including »Abu Saad Almalini Tell us, tell us the Abu Ahmed Bin Adi, Essa bin Suleiman al-Qurashi, told us humans Bin Al-Waleed, narrated Abdullah bin Deakin, he mentioned his isnaad suspended"

 

kind of funny translation..

 

the point being is that the scholars of the time mentioned (which most likely be today) are the worst people under the sky to follow..

fitna(tribulation/sedition/trials/strife) originates from them, and these fitna will eventually swing back to them..

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Another smart alec who thinks of himself to be a person of knowledge.

 

Read the hadeeths about respecting the ulma and what Allah says about the ulma before you say anything about them.

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I don't recall mentioning the verse you quote.. :-/

was it from a different thread?

the arabic hadeeth i quoted in my previous post was hadeeth 1858 of the book ÔÚÈ ÇáÇíãÇä ááÈíåÞí:

 

:sl:

 

You'll have to excuse me if, after I requested that you post things in English for everyone's sake, you were unwilling to extend such courtesy. This is the sort of happens when people don't understand one another.

 

The real coincidence now is that even though I thought you were referring to 18:58, I quoted a Hadith that explains your Hadith.

 

When the real scholars are removed from this world, what follows is misguidance and ignorance because people (such as yourself) will take it upon themselves to attempt to explain the religion.

 

the point being is that the scholars of the time mentioned (which most likely be today) are the worst people under the sky to follow..

fitna(tribulation/sedition/trials/strife) originates from them, and these fitna will eventually swing back to them..

 

Firstly, you are being presumptuous by saying that the scholars of today are the worst of people. Yet again, you're interpreting a Hadith by your own whims.

 

Secondly, if the scholars today are misguided, the solution is evident: You follow the scholars of the past. Or become a scholar, as I suggested, if you want the luxury of passing verdicts yourself.

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I have made my point. It's getting out of topic, and it's getting too emotional.

For the sake of everyone, I'll consider this topic is closed.

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