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Recently I attended Jumuah Salat at a different masjid, and I noticed that after Salat and dua, they stand to sing nasheeds praising the Prophet (pbuh) they call it salami? I found this quite odd as I've never seen this being done before.

 

Any idea what this is, and if so is it allowed?

 

Jazakallah,

 

Peace

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It depends who you asking brother, a lot of Salafi muslims will say this is not part of Islam , and others who follow Madhaahib will say its perfectly Ok .

 

There will be an ikhtilaaf on the issue.

 

But if you if they are Saying Allah SWT name and the propeht :sl: in this nasheed as in praising then i dont see what the problem will be .

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Not it isnt Allah for there is no daleel that the prophet peace be upon him ever did this there for it is a Bidah and not Allowed in Islam

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Salam,

 

Exactly which Madhabs allow this? I follow the Hanafi Madhab and have been to many masajid led by Hanafi and Shafi Imam's but never have I seen this before.

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saabz akhi i advise you to ignore him for he is a bit misguided

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Ah brother, let's not delve into such matters as guidance and point fingers at who we think may or may not have it. Neither you nor I knows what's in the hearts.

 

Instead lets listen to what brother Al faqeer has to say and inshallah we'll clear up any misapprehensions.

 

Salam

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Salam,

 

Exactly which Madhabs allow this? I follow the Hanafi Madhab and have been to many masajid led by Hanafi and Shafi Imam's but never have I seen this before.

 

Brother because its not something thats always done probably , I think you were in a Bralewi Masjid who are also Ahnaaf , I am guessing .

 

But basically its perfectly ok , since saying poetry to praise the prophet :sl: within the vicinity of the Masjid was done by the Sahaaba especially Hasaan Ibn Thaabit r.a. .

 

Like i said people will approve and disapprove it , there is Ikhtilaaf on these issues .

 

But ruling out totally wrong is not the answer .

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Bralewi Masjid who are also Ahnaaf

 

Brother I don't understand the terms you've used here, could you elaborate on their meaning?

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Ok Can you tell me where you live brother which city country ? please .

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here u go akhi have a read inshallah

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but Neither you nor I knows what's in the hearts.

true what is in his heart is between him and Allah but what is not in his heart and what he shows is for us to understand and judge by we need to underrstand many ppl have the niya of good but are doing evil

so if a person show khayr then that is what we know of him and if he shows evil then this is what we know of him and this is what we judge by

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I live in Botswana, it's just north of South Africa. The city I currently reside in is Francistown, a very small city with only two masjids. The majority of the Muslims here follow the Hanafi madhab, apart from the many Somalis that live here.

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Aha ok that might explain it , you see in the indian subcontinent the Hanafi muslims basically split into two mainstream Sunni groups and sometimes always at logger heads even though they agree to a lot of things in religion.

 

I will mention them by name from only without getting into a sect discussion :

 

Deobandi hanafis and Barelwi Hanafis , Both are Matrudi in their aqeedah , yet differ on basic Fiqhi issues that Sunnis always argue about like Bidah , Group Dhikr which you are asking about , Mawlid etc.

 

So there is no Ijmaa on these issues , you will find evidence for doing it , and against it . But i believe they will be rewarded for their Good intentions inshaAllah , Allah knows best .

 

Avoid sect discussion

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I urge you to contact a shaykh who follows the ijma:

 

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Assalamu Alaykum

 

What is the ruling on sending salaams to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with those who are going to Madeenah?

 

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I'm really sorry brother. I think you will fall in a big confusion as I have. May Allah make the truth evident to all of us.

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“May the curse of Allaah be upon the Jews and the Christians; they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.†He said that as he was dying, as a warning to his ummah against doing what they did. When Umm Salamah told him of a church that she had seen in Ethiopia and the images therein, he said: “Those people, if a righteous man among them died, they would build a place of worship over his grave. They are the most evil of people before Allaah.†And it was narrated from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Among the most evil of people upon whom the Hour will come when they are still alive are those who take graves as places of worship.†Narrated by Imam Ahmad with a jayyid isnaad.

 

 

 

Allah Honored Some Prophets Above Others

 

 

Allah states that He has honored some Prophets to others. For instance, Allah said,

 

 

[æóáóÞóÃú ÃóÖøóáúäóÇ ÈóÚúÖó ÇáäøóÈöíøöíäó Úóáóì ÈóÚúÖò æóÃóÇÊóíúäóÇ ÃóÇæõæÃó ÒóÈõæÑðÇ]

 

 

(And indeed, We have preferred some of the Prophets above others, and to Dawud We gave the Zabur (Psalms)) [17:55].

 

 

In the Ayah above, Allah said,

 

 

[Êöáúßó ÇáÑøõÓõáõ ÃóÖøóáúäóÇ ÈóÚúÖóåõãú Úóáóì ÈóÚúÖò ãøöäúåõãú ãøóä ßóáøóãó Çááøóåõ]

 

 

(Those Messengers! We preferred some of them to others; to some of them Allah spoke (directly)) meaning, Musa and Muhammad , and also Adam according to a Hadith recorded in Sahih Ibn Hibban from Abu Dharr.

 

 

[æóÑóÃóÚó ÈóÚúÖóåõãú ÃóÑóÌóÜÊò]

 

 

(Others He raised to degrees (of honor)) as is evident in the Hadith about the Isra' journey, when the Messenger of Allah saw the Prophets in the various heavens according to their rank with Allah.

 

 

If somebody asks about the collective meaning of this Ayah and the Hadith that the Two Sahihs collected from Abu Hurayrah which states, "Once, a Muslim man and a Jew had an argument and the Jew said, `No, by Him Who gave Musa superiority over all human beings!' Hearing him, the Muslim man raised his hand and slapped the Jew on his face and said, `Over Muhammad too, O evil one!' The Jew went to the Prophet and complained to him and the Prophet said,

 

 

«áóÇ ÊõÃóÖøöáõæäöí Úóáóì ÇáúÃóäúÈöíóÇÃö¡ ÃóÅöäøó ÇáäøóÇÓó íóÕúÚóÞõæäó íóæúãó ÇáúÞöíóÇãóÉö ÃóÃóßõæäõ Ãóæøóáó ãóäú íõÃöíÞõ¡ ÃóÃóÌöÃõ ãõæÓóì ÈóÇØöÔðÇ ÈöÞóÇÆöãóÉö ÇáúÚóÑúÔö¡ ÃóáóÇ ÃóÃúÑöí ÃóÃóÇÞó ÞóÈúáöí Ãóãú ÌõæÒöíó ÈöÕóÚúÞóÉö ÇáØøõæÑö¿ ÃóáóÇ ÊõÃóÖøöáõæäöí Úóáóì ÇáúÃóäúÈöíóÇû

 

 

(Don't give me superiority above the Prophets, for the people will become unconscious on the Day of Resurrection, and I will be the first to be resurrected to see Musa holding on to the pillar of Allah's Throne. I will not know whether the unconsciousness Musa suffered on the Day of the Trumpet sufficed for him, or if he got up before me. So, do not give me superiority above the Prophets.) In another narration, the Prophet said, (Do not give superiority to some Prophets above others.)

 

 

The answer to this question is that this Hadith prohibits preferring some Prophets above others in cases of dispute and argument, such as the incident mentioned in the Hadith. The Hadith indicates that it is not up to creation to decide which Prophet is better, for this is Allah's decision. The creation is only required to submit to, obey and believe in Allah's decision.[using large font size is not allowed]

 

 

Allah's statement,

 

 

[æóÃóÇÊóíúäóÇ ÚöíÓóì ÇÈúäó ãóÑúíóãó ÇáúÈóíøöäóÜÊö]

 

 

(And We gave `Isa, the son of Maryam, clear signs) refers to the proofs and unequivocal evidences that testify to the truth that `Isa delivered to the Children of israel, thus testifying that he was Allah's servant and His Messenger to them.

 

 

[æóÃóíøóÃúäóÜåõ ÈöÑõæÃö ÇáúÞõÃõÓö]

 

 

(And supported him with Ruh-il-Qudus) meaning Allah aided `Isa with Jibil, peace be upon him. Allah then said,

 

 

[æóáóæú ÔóÂÃó Çááøóåõ ãóÇ ÇÞúÊóÊóáó ÇáøóÃöíäó ãöä ÈóÚúÃöåöã ãøöä ÈóÚúÃö ãóÇ ÌóÂÃóÊúåõãõ ÇáúÈóíøöäóÜÊõ æóáóÜßöäö ÇÎúÊóáóÃõæÇú Ãóãöäúåõãú ãøóäú ÃóÇãóäó æóãöäúåõã ãøóä ßóÃóÑó æóáóæú ÔóÂÃó Çááøóåõ ãóÇ ÇÞúÊóÊóáõæÇú]

 

 

(If Allah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought against each other, after clear Verses of Allah had come to them, but they differed Ü some of them believed and others disbelieved. If Allah had willed, they would not have fought against one another.) meaning all this happened by Allah's decree, and this is why He said next,

 

 

[æóáóÜßöäøó Çááøóåó íóÃúÚóáõ ãóÇ íõÑöíÃõ]

 

 

(But Allah does what He wills.)

 

 

[íÃóíøõåóÇ ÇáøóÃöíäó ÃóÇãóäõæÇú ÃóäÃöÞõæÇú ãöãøóÇ ÑóÒóÞúäóÜßõã ãøöä ÞóÈúáö Ãóä íóÃúÊöìó íóæúãñ áÇøó ÈóíúÚñ Ãöíåö æóáÇó ÎõáøóÉñ æóáÇó ÔóÃóÜÚóÉñ æóÇáúßóÜÃöÑõæäó åõãõ ÇáÙøóÜáöãõæäó ]

 

 

(254. O you who believe! Spend of that with which We have provided for you, before a Day comes when there will be no bargaining, nor friendship, nor intercession. And it is the disbelievers who are the wrongdoers.)

 

 

Allah commands His servants to spend for His sake, in the path of righteousness, from what He has granted them, so that they acquire and keep the reward of this righteous deed with their Lord and King. Let them rush to perform this deed in this life,

 

 

[ãøöä ÞóÈúáö Ãóä íóÃúÊöìó íóæúãñ]

 

 

(before a Day comes) meaning, the Day of Resurrection,

 

 

[áÇøó ÈóíúÚñ Ãöíåö æóáÇó ÎõáøóÉñ æóáÇó ÔóÃóÜÚóÉñ]

 

 

(when there will be no bargaining, nor friendship, nor intercession.)

 

 

This Ayah indicates that on that Day, no one will be able to bargain on behalf of himself or ransom himself with any amount, even if it was the earth's fill of gold; nor will his friendship or relation to anyone benefit him. Similarly, Allah said,

 

 

[ÃóÅöÃóÇ äõÃöÎó Ãöì ÇáÕøõæÑö ÃóáÇó ÃóäÓóÜÈó Èóíúäóåõãú íóæúãóÆöÃò æóáÇó íóÊóÓóÂÃóáõæäó ]

 

 

(Then, when the Trumpet is blown, there will be no kinship among them that Day, nor will they ask of one another) [23:101].

 

 

[æóáÇó ÔóÃóÜÚóÉñ]

 

 

(Nor intercession) meaning, they will not benefit by the intercession of anyone.

 

 

Allah's statement,

 

 

[æóÇáúßóÜÃöÑõæäó åõãõ ÇáÙøóÜáöãõæäó]

 

 

(and it is the disbelievers who are the wrongdoers) indicates that no injustice is worse than meeting Allah on that Day while a disbeliever. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that `Ata' bin Dinar said, "All thanks are due to Allah Who said,

 

 

[æóÇáúßóÜÃöÑõæäó åõãõ ÇáÙøóÜáöãõæäó]

 

 

(and it is the disbelievers who are the wrongdoers) but did not say, `And it is the wrongdoers who are the disbelievers.'''

 

 

[Çááøóåõ áÇó ÅöáóÜåó ÅöáÇøó åõæó ÇáúÃóìøõ ÇáúÞóíøõæãõ áÇó ÊóÃúÎõÃõåõ ÓöäóÉñ æóáÇó äóæúãñ áøóåõ ãóÇ Ãöí ÇáÓøóãóÜæóÇÊö æóãóÇ Ãöí ÇáÇøñÑúÖö ãóä ÃóÇ ÇáøóÃöì íóÔúÃóÚõ ÚöäÃóåõ ÅöáÇøó ÈöÅöÃúäöåö íóÚúáóãõ ãóÇ Èóíúäó ÃóíúÃöíåöãú æóãóÇ ÎóáúÃóåõãú æóáÇó íõÃöíØõæäó ÈöÔóíúÃò ãøöäú Úöáúãöåö ÅöáÇøó ÈöãóÇ ÔóÂÃó æóÓöÚó ßõÑúÓöíøõåõ ÇáÓøóãóÜæóÇÊö æóÇáÇøñÑúÖó æóáÇó íóÄõæÃõåõ ÃöÃúÙõåõãóÇ æóåõæó ÇáúÚóáöìøõ ÇáúÚóÙöíãõ ]

 

 

(255. Allah! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His permission He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter. And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.)

 

 

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Sister Orthodox

 

Simple Question Who are the Ulul Azm of the prophets ?

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My knowledge is very limited. I don't know what Ulul Azim means. Anyways, please stick to the topic. What I quoted is somewhat relevent.

 

I'm sure scholars know so there is no need to question me.

Assalamu Alaykum

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Exactly which Madhabs allow this? I follow the Hanafi Madhab and have been to many masajid led by Hanafi and Shafi Imam's but never have I seen this before.
There is nothing wrong in following a madhab. But you have to follow the manhaj of the Salaf. But there is a difference amongst people because some ascribe thmselves to a madhab but follow a different aqeedah. You have Hanafis who are Atharis and you have Hanafis who are Maturidis etc...

 

We all have to follow Athaar aqeedah because it is the safest one. Others interpret Allah's attributes. We take them as they are without comparing it to the creation or interpreting them based on our speculation. We have to be very careful when speaking about Allah, sbhanahi wa ta'al.you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetgawaher(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/index.php?showtopic=731884.html&

 

 

Look what Allah says if the Prophet, saws, says anything that may not be true.

 

æóáóæú ÊóÞóæøóáó ÚóáóíúäóÇ ÈóÚúÖó ٱáÃóÞóÇæöíáö }

 

 

And had he, namely, the Prophet (s), fabricated any lies against Us, by communicating from Us that which We have not said,

 

 

 

 

{ áÃóÎóÃúäóÇ ãöäúåõ Èöٱáúíóãöíäö }

 

 

We would have assuredly seized him, We would have exacted vengeance [against him], as punishment, by the Right Hand, by [Our] strength and power;

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My Question is answering you sister so i am on topic .

 

Ulul Azm of the prophets are five :

 

Sayyidina Muhammad :sl:

Sayyidina Ibrahim a.s.

Sayyidina Musaa a.s.

Sayyidina Eisa a.s.

Sayyidina Nuh a.s.

 

These five greatest Messengers and Prophets sent by Allah, peace be upon them, are the greatest persons in all human history till the end of time. In the Holy Qur'an, they are referred to as Ulul 'Azm, Possessors of strong will and perseverance. (33:7) (46:35)

 

This means that prophets are not all the same rank , and Sayyidina Mu7ammad is the only one who is a mercy to all ًWorlds and the Khaatam Al Anbiyaa wal Mursaleen and the best of Allah SWT creation .

 

so that makes him the best sister . صلى اله عليه وآله وصحبه وسلم

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That is exacly what the tafsir says. We all use the same tafsir. Read what it says again. I am not saying that Resul, saws, is NOT a better prophet than all the others. But read the statments of Resul, saws.

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Sister your problem is you are taking everything literal from reading topics on the internet without studying.

 

Please answer me directly on what i have answered you .

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What is your question? I'll asnwer by pasting a fatwa.

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There is no Question sis , its the statement you made taking it literal the tafseer , the Quran itself says that Allah has made Prophets better than others in Surat Al Baqarat 253 .

 

IF the sahaaba ra. said poetry praising the prophet PBUH then why cant we ?

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IF the sahaaba ra. said poetry praising the prophet PBUH then why cant we ?
Who says you can't write poetry praising the Prophet, sall-Allahu alayi wa salam? Bring me one scholar.

 

its the statement you made taking it literal the tafseer , the Quran itself says that Allah has made Prophets .
WHAT AM I DOING? Of course Allah sent propets(pbut).

 

Let me make myself clear; I ask scholars. I don't take my deen from you. I read the tafsir. What doe sit say? I would hve to ak scholars if my unerstanding is correct, not you. No offense intended.

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I never said write , i said recite big difference .

 

Your deducing of what is said in the tafseer is wrong , based on the evidence i have given you sister .

 

Saydina Mu7ammad being the best of Allah SWT creation , deserves praise salat and salam .

 

We are not obliged Islamically to follow modern day scholars sister . If you think we are prove it .

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