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Jesus Prophesied Islam In Bible Parallels

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(These two "hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.)

 

1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years

 

Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard.

 

3. "About the third hour (1300/1200-1100 BC Sabians/Zarathustrians, even in Bible there is two "Sabians" in opposite directions, another possibly in South-Iraq) he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing (Judaism had not spread much outside their own Jewish nation). 4.He told them, 'You also (besides Judaism) go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went.

 

"He went out again about the sixth hour (600 BC beginning of prophesies about Messiah) and the ninth hour (around 1 AC Jesus were born) and did the same thing (created Christians and Christianity, notice simple description as Jesus is speaking about religion most connected to himself).

 

6. ABOUT (not exactly 400-600 AC) the eleventh hour (Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him: 570-632 AC) he went out (send prophet) and found still others (Arabs) standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing (Arabs had not had religions through prophets, only polytheism-paganism)?'

 

7. " 'Because no one has hired us (Arabs were so despised that even Byzantium or Persia did not want to conquer and convert them),' they answered."He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'

 

8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages (what they deserve), beginning with the last ones hired (Muslims) and going on to the first (Jews).'

 

9. "The workers (Muslims) who were hired about the eleventh hour (500-700 AC) came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first (Jews), they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner (God). 12. 'These men who were hired last (Muslims) worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day (persecutions, slavery, occupations).'

 

13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous (you want to keep God for your nation only, as a "chosen people")?'

 

16. "So the last (Muslims) will be first, and the first (Jews) will be last."

 

[Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, said that even though he was last of prophets, and Muslims are last of believers, they will be first to enter paradise, "last will be first"]

 

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002.062 (Translation by) YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

 

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1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years

 

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Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A master (God) had a fig tree (symbol of israel in Bible), planted in his vineyard (Earth), and he went to look for fruit (results) on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man (Jesus) who took care of the vineyard (Judaism "only true religion"/least corrupted religion in the world in times of Jesus), 'For three (3*600 = 1800) years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil (why not to do better religion)?'

 

8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one (1*600) more year(s), and I'll dig around it and fertilize it (make world ready for Islam, also in Middle-East, "around" israel as in [Christian] Arabia/Egypt/Syria). 9. If it bears fruit next year (in 600 years), fine! If not, then cut it down (Judaism and so also its sect/branch Christianity, from way of Islam, after that “yearâ€, 600 years, passed after Jesus to death of Mohammed, pbuh, almost excactly 600 years later in 632AC).' "

 

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MY CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16

 

There is no mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour"

 

("about") 11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th) 10th = 200-400 AC 9th = 1 AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->) 8th = 200 BC- 1 AD 7th = 400 BC-200 BC 6th = 600 BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied) 5th = 800 BC-600 BC 4th = 1000 BC- 800 BC 3th = 1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians) 2nd = 1400 BC-1200 BC 1st = 1600 BC-1400 BC (Early Jews) "0-hour" = 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc. in 1600 BC-1400 BC)

 

Well, besides possible corruption in the Bible, Jesus did not go to practice math in schools. It was not his expertise and he was only HUMAN, but id does not dimish his role as a PROPHET in anyway. This is not math-exam, but for people to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least "error-marginale" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel connected to himself and Christianity.

 

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MY CALCULATIONS IN Luke 13:6-9

 

Maybe israel AS AN OFFICIAL STATE (eventhough part of Rome and so not state) was "cut down" 70 AC, but Jewish religion and its sect Christianity did not "expire" as a (right) religions before Islam came 600 years after Jesus (Jesus 32 AC - Mohammed 632 AC) from point of Islam. israel itself as a state have no importance for God without its religion, do you Christians agree that from Bible?

 

israel (that "tree") is not subject anymore after its cutting down (in 600 AC), but ground around it. "Ground around it" is symbol for spiritual, geological, historical and religious connection between semitistic Islamic and Jewish religions. But before it (before Islam, those last 600 years that were given extra-time) Jewish-tree has opportunity to grow fruits "next year". Obviously it did not do so as God created Islam. All that tree produced during that "year" (600 years) was form of Christianity that worshipped Jewish prophet as a god. From Jewish view those are not good fruits.

 

Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as in India or China for example). All those areas are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, be be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future).

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Jesus promised the Holy Spirit who guide and preserve His Church from error. The Holy Spirit filled the Apostles and disciples on Pentecost, and the Church has been protected by God ever since. The idea that another prophet would have to come is totally foreign to Christianity, we simply don't need it.

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Jesus promised the Holy Spirit who guide and preserve His Church from error. The Holy Spirit filled the Apostles and disciples on Pentecost, and the Church has been protected by God ever since. The idea that another prophet would have to come is totally foreign to Christianity, we simply don't need it.

 

Your Church worships statues and statues of babies, saints, dude!

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If you were a Muslim you would have known we dont ,

 

No where in our prayer do we mention the Stone right ? Why is Allah SWT mentioned and Not Ka'bah ? If we are worshiping the stone as you allege why dont we call out to ut :sl: ?

 

Dont make stoopid comments dude .

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No where in our prayer do we mention the Stone right ? Why is Allah SWT mentioned and Not Ka'bah ? If we are worshiping the stone as you allege why dont we call out to ut

 

I didn't say you worship it, I said you venerate a cube and the black stone

 

Theres a difference, dude

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Veneration is an honor given to a person or thing because of its relation to God. The supreme honor is given to God because He is the source of all existence.

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Veneration is an honor given to a person or thing because of its relation to God. The supreme honor is given to God because He is the source of all existence.

Absolutely ridiculous statement you just made. The stone is just a way point so that Muslims may all pray in harmony. It is equivalent to the north star used to navigate. No honor is given to the stone during prayer.

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Jesus promised the Holy Spirit who guide and preserve His Church from error. The Holy Spirit filled the Apostles and disciples on Pentecost, and the Church has been protected by God ever since. The idea that another prophet would have to come is totally foreign to Christianity, we simply don't need it.

If "The holy spirit" promised to preserve Christianity from error then why did Europe go through a reformation?

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Absolutely ridiculous statement you just made. The stone is just a way point so that Muslims may all pray in harmony. It is equivalent to the north star used to navigate. No honor is given to the stone during prayer.

 

Veneration can occur outside of prayer. The black stone is clearly venerated.

 

If "The holy spirit" promised to preserve Christianity from error then why did Europe go through a reformation?

 

A mixture of corruption in the Catholic Church and Luther's disbelief and pride

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Veneration can occur outside of prayer. The black stone is clearly venerated.

A mixture of corruption in the Catholic Church and Luther's disbelief and pride

Please show me the honor given to it.

If the church was corrupted then the holy spirit did not really protect it's religion did it?

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Please show me the honor given to it.

 

You haven't seen picture of crowds fighting to kiss the stone encased in what appears to be silver?

If the church was corrupted then the holy spirit did not really protect it's religion did it?

 

Who said the Protestants were right? There was corruption but it wasnt a corrupt of the Faith, but the virtues of some clerics

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You haven't seen picture of crowds fighting to kiss the stone encased in what appears to be silver?

Who said the Protestants were right? There was corruption but it wasnt a corrupt of the Faith, but the virtues of some clerics

Corruption of the catholic church included sacraments that many other sects didn't believe in. Changing of scriptures to back up their point was done. This is clear corruption and corruption of any kind to a religion makes said religion dubious. It means you cannot take teachings from it and regard them with 100% certainty as there is no way of knowing what has been changed and what hasn't. The very fact that there is so many denominations in Christianity and they cannot agree on the basic tenements of the religion proves it has been changed and cannot be regarded as truth, although some parts of it may be true. the parts that are true are those that are in agreement with an unchanged source (ex Quran).

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Corruption of the catholic church included sacraments that many other sects didn't believe in.

 

What sects? Catholics and Orthodox agree on the seven sacraments.

 

Changing of scriptures to back up their point was done. This is clear corruption and corruption of any kind to a religion makes said religion dubious.

 

Examples?

 

It means you cannot take teachings from it and regard them with 100% certainty as there is no way of knowing what has been changed and what hasn't.

 

Yes there is. Textual scholars have established 99% certainty on the NT

The very fact that there is so many denominations in Christianity and they cannot agree on the basic tenements of the religion proves it has been changed and cannot be regarded as truth, although some parts of it may be true.

 

Cannot agree? Depends on the "denominations". I would start by putting the Protestant denominations and their derivates and focus on apostolic chrisitanity, i.e. christianity established by Apostles, e.g. Roman Cahtolic, Greek Orthodox, Coptic, Syriac, Syro-Malabar, etc. You will find a great deal of agreement among these churches.

the parts that are true are those that are in agreement with an unchanged source (ex Quran).

 

You don't know the Quran is unchanged, and secondly, why would you use a book composed 500 years after the events as an arbiter?

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What sects? Catholics and Orthodox agree on the seven sacraments.

all the other ones done however

 

 

 

Examples?

everyone knows the ten commandments God spoke on mount sinai, the catholic and protestant church have different ones

Yes there is. Textual scholars have established 99% certainty on the NT

can you back this up with a source? Even if it is true since it is not 100% certain i take it was a grain of salt

Cannot agree? Depends on the "denominations". I would start by putting the Protestant denominations and their derivates and focus on apostolic chrisitanity, i.e. christianity established by Apostles, e.g. Roman Cahtolic, Greek Orthodox, Coptic, Syriac, Syro-Malabar, etc. You will find a great deal of agreement among these churches.

But the other denominations do not, if the scriptures had remained the same there would be no quarrel over this.

You don't know the Quran is unchanged, and secondly, why would you use a book composed 500 years after the events as an arbiter?

Yes I do. I would use said book because it is the verbatim word of God, God always speaks the 100% truth, so that is why I would use said book.

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