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I was sent this article, dated 2006, which I advise all Muslims to read very carefully.

 

THE 'EURABIA' MYTH; MUSLIMS TAKE OVER EUROPE? SORRY, THERE'S NO CHANCE

 

Ralph Peters

November 26, 2006

New York Post

 

 

A RASH of pop prophets tell us that Muslims in Europe are reproducing so fast and European societies are so weak and listless that, before you know it, the continent will become "Eurabia," with all those topless gals on the Riviera wearing veils.

 

Well, maybe not.

 

The notion that continental Europeans, who are world-champion haters, will let the impoverished Muslim immigrants they confine to ghettos take over their societies and extend the caliphate from the Amalfi Coast to Amsterdam has it exactly wrong.

 

The endangered species isn't the "peace loving" European lolling in his or her welfare state, but the continent's Muslims immigrants - and their multi-generation descendents - who were foolish enough to imagine that Europeans would share their toys.

 

In fact, Muslims are hardly welcome to pick up the trash on Europe's playgrounds.

 

Don't let Europe's current round of playing pacifist dress-up fool you: This is the continent that perfected genocide and ethnic cleansing, the happy-go-lucky slice of humanity that brought us such recent hits as the Holocaust and Srebrenica.

 

THE historical patterns are clear: When Europeans feel sufficiently threatened - even when the threat's concocted nonsense - they don't just react, they over-react with stunning ferocity. One of their more-humane (and frequently employed) techniques has been ethnic cleansing.

 

And Europeans won't even need to re-write "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" with an Islamist theme - real Muslims zealots provide Europe's bigots with all the propaganda they need. Al Qaeda and its wannabe fans are the worst thing that could have happened to Europe's Muslims. Europe hasn't broken free of its historical addictions - we're going to see Europe's history reprised on meth.

 

The year 1492 wasn't just big for Columbus. It's also when Spain expelled its culturally magnificent Jewish community en masse - to be followed shortly by the Moors, Muslims who had been on the Iberian Peninsula for more than 800 years.

 

Jews got the boot elsewhere in Europe, too - if they weren't just killed on the spot. When Shakespeare wrote "The Merchant of Venice," it's a safe bet he'd never met a Jew. The Chosen People were long-gone from Jolly Olde England.

 

From the French expulsion of the Huguenots right down to the last century's massive ethnic cleansings, Europeans have never been shy about showing "foreigners and subversives" the door.

 

And Europe's Muslims don't even have roots, by historical standards. For the Europeans, they're just the detritus of colonial history. When Europeans feel sufficiently provoked and threatened - a few serious terrorist attacks could do it - Europe's Muslims will be lucky just to be deported.

Sound impossible? Have the Europeans become too soft for that sort of thing? Has narcotic socialism destroyed their ability to hate? Is their atheism a prelude to total surrender to faith-intoxicated Muslim jihadis?

 

The answer to all of the above questions is a booming "No!" The Europeans have enjoyed a comfy ride for the last 60 years - but the very fact that they don't want it to stop increases their rage and sense of being besieged by Muslim minorities they've long refused to assimilate (and which no longer want to assimilate).

 

WE don't need to gloss over the many Muslim acts of barbarism down the centuries to recognize that the Europeans are just better at the extermination process. From the massacre of all Muslims and Jews (and quite a few Eastern Christians) when the Crusaders reached Jerusalem in 1099 to the massacre of all the Jews in Buda (not yet attached to Pest across the Danube) when the "liberating" Habsburg armies retook the citadel at the end of the 17th century, Europeans have just been better organized for genocide.

 

It's the difference between the messy Turkish execution of the Armenian genocide and the industrial efficiency of the Holocaust. Hey, when you love your work, you get good at it.

 

Far from enjoying the prospect of taking over Europe by having babies, Europe's Muslims are living on borrowed time. When a third of French voters have demonstrated their willingness to vote for Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front - a party that makes the Ku Klux Klan seem like Human Rights Watch - all predictions of Europe going gently into that good night are surreal.

 

I have no difficulty imagining a scenario in which U.S. Navy ships are at anchor and U.S. Marines have gone ashore at Brest, Bremerhaven or Bari to guarantee the safe evacuation of Europe's Muslims. After all, we were the only ones to do anything about the slaughter of Muslims in the Balkans. And even though we botched it, our effort in Iraq was meant to give the Middle East's Muslims a last chance to escape their self-inflicted misery.

 

AND we're lucky. The United States attracts the quality. American Muslims have a higher income level than our national average. We hear about the handful of rabble-rousers, but more of our fellow Americans who happen to be Muslims are doctors, professors and entrepreneurs.

 

And the American dream is still alive and well, thanks: Even the newest taxi driver stumbling over his English grammar knows he can truly become an American.

 

But European Muslims can't become French or Dutch or Italian or German. Even if they qualify for a passport, they remain second-class citizens. On a good day. And they're supposed to take over the continent that's exported more death than any other?

 

All the copy-cat predictions of a Muslim takeover of Europe not only ignore history and Europe's ineradicable viciousness, but do a serious disservice by exacerbating fear and hatred. And when it comes to hatred, trust me: The Europeans don't need our help.

 

The jobless and hopeless kids in the suburbs may burn a couple of cars, but we'll always have Paris.

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at the end, the author sounds intimidated to me. Anyway, we can't predict the future. Except Allah subhanatala.

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at the end, the author sounds intimidated to me. Anyway, we can't predict the future. Except Allah subhanatala.

 

That's precisely the point. When people feel intimidated, they will do these things.

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I agree with the author in that the Muslim immigrants won't take over Europe. Those immigrants Muslims who think so are living in a fantasy just as people like you, who you want to establish a pagan state in Europe, are - both are pipe dreams and they ain't happening. I also told you previously that it would take the kind of radicalism that existed in Nazi Germany for Europe to get rid of Muslims. Are Europeans/Europe soft? Depends on the standard. If the standard is Nazi Germany and the historical states that killed and expelled Jews and Muslims, then, yes, they are soft, but that's because the standard is too high, or should I say low, and radical. I don't think Europeans will have that kind of radicalism again, pointing out European history is quite irrelevant. Europe has changed tremendeously in terms of culture and values, in quite a short span of time, I might add. Are they soft enough to let immigrant Muslims to turn Europe into Eurabia like we hear some fearmongers say? Definately not.

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"WE don't need to gloss over the many Muslim acts of barbarism down the centuries to recognize that the Europeans are just better at the extermination process."

 

Oh, right. When Muslims kill people, it's acts of barbarism. When Europeans do it, it's not so barbaric; it's simply extermination!

 

This writer's tone suggests that he's praising Europe's aggression against Jews and Muslims in the past.

 

Salam.

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I was sent this article, dated 2006, which I advise all Muslims to read very carefully.

 

Is this supposed to be some sort of warning advice? Honestly, if you want to give out some warning advice go give it to the Muslims in Paris who burned cars, or the Muslim criminal gangs in the UK. Honestly, what you are doing give this sort of "advice" on a forum like Gawaher where people are law abiding citizens of their respective countries and do not cause harm in society? If you really want to achieve something, make a difference as they say, then go to those criminal people and preach to them. Like I have said previously, anything and everything that Muslims do gets used against Muslims whether it is rape, murder, drug trafficking, hooliganism although Islam forbids all of this. Seriously, I wouldn't have a problem if those peope got deported, jailed for long periods of time like in the US which is a lot tougher on crime than Europe - or even better executed as per Sharia - you wouldn't be only doing yourself a favour but the majority of Muslims as well. Also stop giving this sort of "sincere friendly" advice (more like fearmongering) suggesting us to be as accomodating as possible by quoting an article that talks about genocide. Why don't you just come flat out and say, "Leave or we will deport you, or kill you", or to use a term more probably to your liking - "exterminate you"? At least that would make you appear a lot more sincere because at the end of the day you just want Muslims to leave.

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"It's the difference between the messy Turkish execution of the Armenian genocide and the industrial efficiency of the Holocaust. Hey, when you love your work, you get good at it."

 

I also find non-chalant statements like these extremely distasteful. Don't bother by saying that he is not an anti-Semite, that's beside the point. Expressions like "Hey, when you love your work, you get good at it" are just down right irresponsible and disgusting.

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The times of the Gog and Magog will soon be over dude.

But 'topless girls on the Riveira' and 'world champion haters' - these are serious stuff.

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"WE don't need to gloss over the many Muslim acts of barbarism down the centuries to recognize that the Europeans are just better at the extermination process."

 

Oh, right. When Muslims kill people, it's acts of barbarism. When Europeans do it, it's not so barbaric; it's simply extermination!

 

This writer's tone suggests that he's praising Europe's aggression against Jews and Muslims in the past.

 

Salam.

 

No, he's not suggesting this at all.He's simply saying that, just because the Europeans killed more people than the Muslims, it doesn't mean that we should forget that Muslims killed people, too.

But I agree with Younes Ibn Abd' al-Aziz that the way he expressed it is disgusting.

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Honestly, what you are doing give this sort of "advice" on a forum like Gawaher where people are law abiding citizens of their respective countries and do not cause harm in society?

 

A number of people on this forum have expressed support for Bin Laden.

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A number of people on this forum have expressed support for Bin Laden.

 

Nonsense. If you mean people have defended Bin Laden saying that he didn't commit the attrocities on 9/11, then yes. If you mean people who support the killing of civilians, then no.

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Nonsense. If you mean people have defended Bin Laden saying that he didn't commit the attrocities on 9/11, then yes. If you mean people who support the killing of civilians, then no.

 

People have said things like you must expect casualties in war, etc. The fact is that there's a seething mass of hatred towards the West in the Muslim world, based, as far as I can tell, on pure envy, and this often errupts in violence.

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People have said things like you must expect casualties in war, etc. The fact is that there's a seething mass of hatred towards the West in the Muslim world, based, as far as I can tell, on pure envy, and this often errupts in violence.

 

When one person on this forum says something like that, does this translate to "people have said" in your mind, considering the fact that the overwhelming majority on this forum condemn such attrocities? Yes, there are erruptions of violence by criminals and hooligans, so if you want to make a real difference go preach to them. By the way, there is no seething mass of hatred towards the West based on pure envy, that's just your skewed point of view.

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When one person on this forum says something like that, does this translate to "people have said" in your mind, considering the fact that the overwhelming majority on this forum condemn such attrocities? Yes, there are erruptions of violence by criminals and hooligans, so if you want to make a real difference go preach to them. By the way, there is no seething mass of hatred towards the West based on pure envy, that's just your skewed point of view.

 

What's it based on then?

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What's it based on then?

 

Well, first of all, there is no mass hatred. If you would actually go Muslim countries, you would realise that Westerners are respected, if not admired. At the least, they aren't hated. The reason people don't like the West is largely due it waging war against Muslims, supporting dictators, interfering in Muslims' affairs and its hypocritcal foreign policy and ridiculous stance of "They hate us for our freedoms!!!". You seriously don't buy that pathetic rhetoric, do you?

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Well, first of all, there is no mass hatred. If you would actually go Muslim countries, you would realise that Westerners are respected, if not admired. At the least, they aren't hated. The reason people don't like the West is largely due it waging war against Muslims, supporting dictators, interfering in Muslims' affairs and its hypocritcal foreign policy and ridiculous stance of "They hate us for our freedoms!!!". You seriously don't buy that pathetic rhetoric, do you?

 

Sure it's not just plain, old fashioned envy?

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Sure it's not just plain, old fashioned envy?

 

Yes, I am pretty sure, Mercian.

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Yes, I am pretty sure, Mercian.

 

So why are you living in the West, then, if it's no better than Muslim countries?

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So why are you living in the West, then, if it's no better than Muslim countries?

 

The first reason is because I am a native, I was born here. Second, in some ascpets the West is better than the Muslims countries (note I don't mean that the West is better than Islam). There is less corruption and despotism in the West. The West is extremely sophisticated offering good education and ample opportunities. This a good model that I think Muslim countries should definately follow. Again, I don't mean Muslims countries should become excactly like the West but they definately should learn the good things that are not in conflict with religious law like education and industrialization.

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The first reason is because I am a native, I was born here. Second, in some ascpets the West is better than the Muslims countries (note I don't mean that the West is better than Islam). There is less corruption and despotism in the West. The West is extremely sophisticated offering good education and ample opportunities. This a good model that I think Muslim countries should definately follow. Again, I don't mean Muslims countries should become excactly like the West but they definately should learn the good things that are not in conflict with religious law like education and industrialization.

 

Do you think, perhaps, there might be a very good reason why the West has those things, and Muslim countries don't?

 

When you say you're a native because you were born there, do you mean you are Finnish, and converted to Islam?

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Do you think, perhaps, there might be a very good reason why the West has those things, and Muslim countries don't?

 

Yes, there is a very good reason. Muslim countries are lead by despots, thieves and down right murdering maniacs who don't care about the people.

 

When you say you're a native because you were born there, do you mean you are Finnish, and converted to Islam?

 

Yes, I am an ethnic Finn.

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There is less corruption and despotism in the West.

 

Muslims are split on whether democracy is compatible with Islam or not.Until they figure this out, there will be more despotism in the muslim-majority countries, and associated corruption (corruption is always bigger under despotism).

Also, democracy in the western sense doesn't mean "dictatorship of the majority".It includes human rights.Muslims are split on what human rights should be respected and what not.

Another problem is that the caliphate was not democratic and it can never be.

 

The West is extremely sophisticated offering good education and ample opportunities.

 

Education doesn't seem to go against Islam, except in the minds of some lunatics like the Taliban and the wahabists.

 

This a good model that I think Muslim countries should definately follow. Again, I don't mean Muslims countries should become excactly like the West but they definately should learn the good things that are not in conflict with religious law like education and industrialization.

 

I sincerely hope they will.

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By the way, I would like to add that I appreciate the education and ample opportunities to succeed in the West. I think that some Muslims' underappreacitive attitudes are down right disgusting.

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Yes, there is a very good reason. Muslim countries are lead by despots, thieves and down right murdering maniacs who don't care about the people.

 

Strange that, isn't it?

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Strange that, isn't it?

 

Disgusting? Yes. Strange? No. There are native Finns who don't appreciate the opportunities in Finland. For example, a lot of people at school complain about teachers and don't appreciate they education they are giving them - this not an uniquely Muslim thing, it is universal, ingratitude that is.

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