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The Qur'an: A true miracle that can only be from God[using large font size is not allowed]

 

 

 

There is no possibility that an illiterate man who lived in the middle of a desert 1433 years ago could have written a book such as the Qur'an. It is not even possible it could have come from any human on this Earth. We are giving you translations of the verses of the Qur'an but to really appreciate its magnifcence one needs to read it in its original language.

 

Unlike the Bible and Old Testament that have been subject to innumerable translations, doubtful and spurious transmissions, and corruptions at the hands of clerics up till now (with the “gender sensitive” versions coming out these days), the Qur'an was transmitted to us in an unprecedented and unique manner according to rigorous rules of transmission. The Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) via the angel Gabriel, and the Prophet subsequently memorized the whole scripture.

 

Thousands of the Companions of the Prophet learned the Qur'an directly from the Prophet (pbuh). They memorized it and were known in Islamic history as huffaadh (the memorizers and preservers of the Qur'an). Moreover, a number of Companions wrote it down during the lifetime of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and it was compiled in its entirety immediately after his death.

 

The following generation of Muslims learned the Qur’an directly from the Companions. Thus the chain of teaching and learning through direct contact continued systematically, methodically, and meticulously until the present age.

 

Additionally, several of the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) were appointed as scribes to record the words of the revelation directly from the Prophet himself on parchment, leather, or whatever else was available. The most famous of these scribes was Zayd ibn Thabit, who also memorized the entire Qur’an, and he formed with the others a community of huffaadh that can be compared to academic societies of our present time.

 

We know the Qur’an was recorded in totality during the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh) and the different surahs (chapters) personally arranged by him. Many copies of the text were used for study and teaching, even in Mecca before the Hijrah, the migration to Medina.

 

The entire Qur’an was written down during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad, and trusting the fact that many scholars knew it by heart, it was not collected in one volume. It was personally arranged by him, and the Muslims memorized it in the same order. The companion Uthman reported that whenever a new verse was revealed, the Prophet would immediately call a scribe to record it. He would instruct the person to put the specific verse or verses in a particular chapter.

 

Furthermore, every year during the month of Ramadan, the Prophet would recite the whole Qur’an from beginning to end in its present-day arrangement, and everyday people could hear it from his own lips in the Masjid. Its sequence is no mystery. Many of the Companions not only memorized it completely, they also wrote it down and even added commentary (tafseer) on their own personal copies. When the Prophet passed away, the whole Qur’an was already written down, but it was not yet compiled in book form.

 

During the rule of the first Caliph Abu Bakr, there was a rebellion among some distant Arab tribes that resulted in a series of fierce battles. In one particular battle, a number Companions who had memorized the Qur’an were killed. The Companion Omar worried that the knowledge of the Qur’an was in danger, thus he convinced Abu Bakr that the Qur’an should be compiled into book form as a means of preserving it once and for all.

 

Zayd bin Thabit was entrusted with this important task. Zayd followed strict methods in his compilation and had dozens of other huffaadh recheck his work to ensure its accuracy. Abu Bakr, who had also committed the entire Qur’an to memory, approved of the final product. After Abu Bakr passed away, the copy was passed to the Caliph ‘Omar, and then Uthman.

 

However as the Muslim world expanded into lands where the people spoke Arabic as a second language, the new Muslims had a difficult time learning the correct pronunciation of the text. The Caliph Uthman consulted other Companions, and they agreed that official copies of the Qur’an should be inscribed using only the pronunciation of the Quraysh tribe, the Arabic dialect that the Prophet spoke.

 

Zayd bin Thabit was again given this assignment, and three other huffaadh were assigned to help him in the task. Together, the four scribes borrowed the original, complete copy of the Qur’an, duplicated it manually many times over, and then distributed them to all of the major Muslim cities within the empire. Two of these copies still exist today: one is in Istanbul and the other in Tashkent.

 

One must keep in mind that in traditional learning in the Arab world, transmission was based upon an oral tradition as well as a written one; the Arabs (and later all Muslims) excelled in accurately reporting scripture, poetry, aphorisms, etc. through the generations without change. Similarly, the chain of huffaadh was never broken, and thus the Qur'an today has reached us in two forms: the memorized version transmitted through the scholarly chain, and the written version based upon the Companions’ initial recording.

 

If the Qur’an had been changed, there would be huge discrepancies between these two today, as the Qur’an has reached isolated (and sometimes illiterate) communities through the memorized form of transmission without the written form to correct it. No such discrepancies have ever been recorded or reported. In other words, isolated village A in African Mali and isolated village B in Afghanistan will both produce contemporary huffaadh reciting the same words of the Qur’an, though they did not learn from a similar printing of the scripture nor has there ever been a concerted international effort to rectify would-be discrepancies.

 

Allah has said in the Qur’an that He alone will protect His book, and indeed He has kept His promise. The Qur’an that we read today contains the same exact words that were revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) over 1430 years ago. This is quite a miracle, especially when you consider that NO other group of people can say that their book has not been subject to change by the time it reached the present generation.

 

Only the Qur’an has survived through the centuries unchanged, and the language in which it was revealed, classical Arabic, still enjoys practical usage around the world. While classic English of the 14th century can be understood by only a very few native English speakers, the Qur’an can be understood by the vast majority of Arabic-speaking Muslims. When compared to other scriptures, the Qur’an is unique in these two respects.

 

Furthermore, from the prolific arts that have accompanied Qur’anic learning and transmission, we can learn of the auspiciousness and honor with which the Muslims have traditionally held the Qur’an. The visual arts of calligraphy and binding, and the vocal art of recitation represent examples of such arts, and from them we can see that veracity of transmission would be understood as a fundamental aspect of Qur’anic reverence.

 

As regards the proofs within the Qur'an itself, they can be found in the following Qur’anic challenges:

 

Surah 17, verse 88:

*{Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran, they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others.}*

 

And Surah 2, verse 23:

*{And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.}*

 

 

Unanimity of Muslim Scholars

 

The unanimity of Muslim scholars throughout the ages has also proved that the Quran we have is the same which the Prophet had. The same holds true for some unbiased Orientalist scholars who studied the Quran and found the style and the wording exactly the same as that which was common during the time of the Prophet himself.

 

Another point that needs reflection is that the Quran contains many scientific miracles that were proven to be correct only recently; it therefore stands to reason that had there been any change in the Quran, such verses or many of them, would have disappeared and even changed, and thus proven wrong.

 

Oral Transmission

Moreover, the Quran has been handed down through generations and centuries by means of oral transmission alongside the written text and that one of the unique merits of Muslims is their ability of maintaining an unbroken chain proving the authenticity of their texts throughout all these centuries.

 

Many people memorize the Quran in various parts of the world. All of them meet in one place at one time and recite the same Quran. This leaves no doubt that the Quran we have today is the exact one that was recited 1430 ago when the Prophet was alive.

 

Language of the Quran

 

Another logical proof is the decline in the level of the Arabic language and the spoken dialects which we find everywhere in the Arab world.

 

The deterioration in the level of the spoken Arabic, although affecting the tongues of people, did not in fact come close to the Quranic text. It is because of this that we find the Quranic text being unique in the way it is recited and the way it is written.

 

It is different in the written form as well as the oral form from the other written or oral texts.

 

Why? Because it was protected against the factors of time and space.

 

And for this job to be completed, Allah has enabled many scholars who specialized in the Quranic text whether in the written or the oral form and made their vocation in life to transmit it as exactly as it existed in the Prophet's life.

 

Quranic Manuscripts

Another physical proof showing the authenticity of the Quran is the large number of Quranic manuscripts dating back to the early times of Islam. One of the manuscripts existing today is the personal copy of the mus-haf (physical copy of the Quran) that belonged to Caliph Uthman Ibn Affan.

 

This copy still carries the traces of the blood of Uthman who was killed when he was reciting the Quran not long ago after the death of the Prophet. The manuscript has been examined not only by Muslims but also by non-Muslims, and it exists till today as standing evidence of the authenticity of the Quran.

 

By bringing this manuscript and comparing it with all other manuscripts that have been written through different generations in different parts of the Muslim world, we can see how exactly the same they are.

 

We can also notice the difference between the text written there and the normal way of writing Arabic words and the question will rise: why did not the normal way of writing affect the way of writing the Quranic text? The simple answer to this is that the uniqueness of the Quran made it very special and as a way of keeping this specialty is keeping it in the same formula it was firstly written.

 

Challenging the Quran

A long time ago, the Quran challenged people to produce something similar to one verse or ten verses or one surah of it. The challenge was not met and people are still unable to meet the challenge which means the text is still the same miraculous one that was recited during the Prophet's lifetime.

 

Of course, some biased non-Muslim Orientalists have tried their best to raise misconceptions regarding the authenticity of the Quranic text we have today.

 

These attempts have been very old indeed and all of them have failed to prove anything.

 

Consider the following verses:

 

Allah the almighty says in the Qur'an which was revealed over 1433 years ago:

 

"It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old,- though of you there are some who die before;- and lets you reach a Term appointed; in order that ye may learn wisdom."

 

This verse along with many others are just some of the reason's why many scientists in particular have converted to Islam along with many other people over the centurys especially now because more people are converting to Islam in Europe and America especially than any other religion in the world!

 

In the Qur'an, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described like this:

 

"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."

(The Qur'an, 51:47)

 

The word "heaven", as stated in this verse, is used in various places in the Qur'an with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning. In other words, in the Qur'an it is revealed that the universe "expands". And this is the very conclusion that science has reached today.

 

The Birth of a Human Being

 

Many diverse subjects are mentioned in the Qur'an in the course of inviting people to believe. Sometimes the heavens, sometimes animals, and sometimes plants are shown as evidence to man by God. In many of the verses, people are called upon to turn their attention to their own creation. They are often reminded how man came into the world, which stages he has passed through, and what his essence is:

 

"It is We Who have created you. Why, then, do you not accept the truth? Have you ever considered that (seed) which you emit? Is it you who create it? Or are We the Creator?"

(The Qur'an, 56:57-59)

 

 

"Does man reckon he will be left uncontrolled (without purpose)? Was he not once a drop of ejected semen?"

(The Qur'an, 75:36-37)

 

As we have seen, the Qur'an informs us that man is made not from the entire semen, but only a small part of it. That the particular emphasis in this statement announces a fact only discovered by modern science is evidence that the statement is divine in origin.

 

 

"We created man from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him hearing and seeing."

(The Qur'an, 76:2)

 

"He has created both sexes, male and female from a drop of semen which has been ejected."

(The Qur'an, 53:45-46)

 

The wrapping of muscles over the bones

 

"(We) then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be God, the Best of Creators!"

(The Qur'an, 23:14)

 

 

The bones of the baby completing its development in the mother's womb are clothed with flesh during one particular stage.

 

Embryology is the branch of science that studies the development of the embryo in the mother's womb. Until very recently, embryologists assumed that the bones and muscles in an embryo developed at the same time. For this reason, for a long time, some people claimed that these verses conflicted with science. Yet, advanced microscopic research conducted by virtue of new technological developments has revealed that the revelation of the Qur'an is word for word correct.

 

These observations at the microscopic level showed that the development inside the mother's womb takes place in just the way it is described in the verses. First, the cartilage tissue of the embryo ossifies. Then muscular cells that are selected from amongst the tissue around the bones come together and wrap around the bones.

 

Three Stages of the Baby in the Womb

 

In the Qur'an, it is related that man is created in a three-stage process in the mother's womb.

 

"... He creates you stage by stage in your mothers' wombs in a threefold darkness. That is God, your Lord. Sovereignty is His. There is no god but Him. So what has made you deviate?"

(The Qur'an, 39:6)

 

As will be understood, it is pointed out in this verse that a human being is created in the mother's womb in three distinct stages. Indeed, modern biology has revealed that the baby's embryological development takes place in three distinct regions in the mother's womb.

 

God said in the Quran about one of the evil unbelievers who forbade the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, from praying at the Kaaba (Holy Masjid):

 

Let him beware! If he does not stop, We will take him by the Naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful Naseyah (from of the head)! [Holy Quran 96:15-16]

 

Why did the Quran describe the front of the head as being lying and sinful? Why didn't the Quran say that the person was lying and sinful? What is the relationship between the front of the head and lying and sinfulness?

 

If we look into the skull at the front of the head, we will find the prefrontal area of the cerebrum, in the area we call the forehead. What does physiology tell us about the function of this area? A book entitled Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology says about this area, "The motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of frontal lobes, the prefrontal area. This is a region of association cortex.." Also the book says, "In relation to its involvement in motivation, the prefrontal area is also thought to be the functional center for aggression..."

 

So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and sinful behavior, and is responsible for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. So, it is proper for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. So, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Quran says:

 

...A lying, sinful Naseyah (from of the head)!

 

Scientists have only discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years, according to Professor Keith L. Moore. [scientific Miracles in the Front of the Head p. 41]

 

 

The Expansion of the Universe

 

In the Qur'an, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described like this:

 

"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."

(The Qur'an, 51:47)

 

The word "heaven", as stated in this verse, is used in various places in the Qur'an with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning. In other words, in the Qur'an it is revealed that the universe "expands". And this is the very conclusion that science has reached today.

 

Orbits

 

While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Qur'an, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.

 

"It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit. "

(The Qur'an, 21:33)

 

It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit:

 

"And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. "

(The Qur'an, 37:38)

 

the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is written in the Qur'an as follows:

 

"By the sky full of paths and orbits."

(The Qur'an, 51:7)

 

The Protected Roof

 

 

The atmosphere only lets rays required for life reach the Earth. Ultraviolet rays, for example, make it to the world only partially. This is the most appropriate range to allow plants to make photosynthesis and eventually for all living things to survive.

 

In the Qur'an, God calls our attention to a very interesting attribute of the sky:

 

"We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.."

(The Qur'an, 21:32)

 

This attribute of the sky has been proved by scientific research carried out in the 20th century.

 

The atmosphere surrounding the earth serves crucial functions for the continuity of life. While destroying many meteors big and small as they approach the earth, it prevents them from falling to earth and harming living things.

 

The Returning Sky

 

 

 

The verse 11 of Sura Tarik in the Qur'an, refers to the "returning" function of the sky.

 

"By Heaven with its cyclical systems."

(The Qur'an, 86:11)

 

This word interpreted as "cyclical" in Qur'an translations also has meanings of "sending back" or "returning".

 

As known, the atmosphere surrounding the Earth consists of many layers. Each layer serves an important purpose for the benefit of life. Research has revealed that these layers have the function of turning the materials or rays they are exposed to back into space or back down to the Earth. Now let us examine with a few examples of this "recycling" function of the layers encircling the Earth.

 

The Layers of the Atmosphere

 

One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur'an is that the sky is made up of seven layers.

 

"It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things."

(The Qur'an, 2:29)

 

"Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate."

(The Qur'an, 41:12)

 

The word "heavens", which appears in many verses in the Qur'an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the Earth's sky, or the atmosphere, is made up of seven layers.

 

14 centuries ago, when the sky was believed to be one unified body, the Qur'an miraculously stated that it consisted of layers, and what is more, "seven" layers. Modern science, on the other hand, discovered the fact that the atmosphere surrounding the Earth is made up of "seven" basic layers only very recently.

 

The Earth has all the attributes that are needed for life. One of them is the atmosphere, which serves as a shield protecting living things. Today, it is an established fact that the atmosphere is made up of different layers lying on top of one another. Just as it is described in the Qur'an, the atmosphere is made up of exactly seven layers. This is certainly one of the miracles of the Qur'an.The Function of Mountains

 

"We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them…"

(The Qur'an, 21:31)

 

In a verse, this role of the mountains is pointed out by a comparison with "pegs":

 

"Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs?"

(The Qur'an, 78:6-7)

 

Mountains, in other words, clench the plates in the Earth's crust together by extending above and beneath the Earth's surface at the conjunction points of these plates. In this way, they fix the Earth's crust, and prevent it from drifting over the magma stratum or among its plates. Briefly, we may liken mountains to nails that keep pieces of wood together.

 

"You will see the mountains you reckoned to be solid going past like clouds."

(The Qur'an, 27:88)

 

The Movement of Mountains

 

This motion of the mountains is caused by the movement of the Earth's crust that they are located on. The Earth's crust 'floats' over the mantle layer, which is denser. It was at the beginning of the 20th century when, for the first time in history, a German scientist by the name of Alfred Wegener proposed that the continents of the earth had been attached together when it first formed, but then drifted in different directions, and thus separated as they moved away from each other.

 

 

"It is God Who sends the winds which stir up clouds which He spreads about the sky however He wills. He forms them into dark clumps and you see the rain come pouring out from the middle of them. When He makes it fall on those of His slaves He wills, they rejoice"

(The Qur'an, 30:48)

 

This is how the Quran described mountains. God said in the Quran:

 

Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs? [Holy Quran 78:6-7]

 

Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground. So the suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word 'peg', since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century. [Geological Concept of Mountains p.5]

 

Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth. [Geological Concept of Mountains pp. 44-45]. They hinder the shaking of the earth. God said in the Quran:

 

And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you ...[Holy Quran 16:15]

 

Likewise the modern theory of plate tectonics holds that mountains work as stabilizers for the earth. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960's

[Geological Concept of Mountains p. 5].

 

Could anyone during the time of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, have known of the true shape of mountains? Could any one imagine that the solid massive mountain which he sees before him, actually extends deep into the earth and has a root, as scientists assert? A large number of books of geology when discussing mountains, only describe that part which is above the surface of the earth. This is because these books were not written by specialists in geology. However, modern geology has confirmed the truth of the Quran's verses.

 

 

FIRST STAGE: " It is God Who sends the winds..."

 

Countless air bubbles formed by the foaming of the oceans continuously burst and cause water particles to be ejected towards the sky. These particles, which are rich in salt, are then carried away by winds and rise upward in the atmosphere. These particles, which are called aerosols, function as water traps, and form cloud drops by collecting around the water vapour themselves, which rises from the seas as tiny droplets.

 

SECOND STAGE: ".... which stir up clouds which He spreads about the sky however He wills. He forms them into dark clumps..."

 

THIRD STAGE: "…and you see the rain come pouring our from the middle of them"

 

The water particles that surround salt crystals and dust particles thicken and form raindrops, so, drops that become heavier than the air leave the clouds and start to fall to the ground as rain.

 

The clouds are formed from water vapour that condenses around the salt crystals or dust particles in the air. Because the water droplets in these clouds are very small (with a diameter between 0.01 and 0.02 mm), the clouds are suspended in the air, and spread across the sky. Thus, the sky is covered in clouds.

 

In another verse, the following information is given about the formation of rain:

 

"Have you not seen how God drives along the clouds, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it? And He sends down from the sky mountain masses (of clouds) with cold hail in them, striking with it anyone He wills and averting it from anyone He wills. The brightness of His lightning almost blinds the sight."

(The Qur'an, 24:43)

 

Scientists studying cloud types came across surprising results regarding the formation of rain clouds. Rain clouds are formed and shaped according to definite systems and stages. The formation stages of cumulonimbus, one kind of rain cloud, are these:

 

1.STAGE, Being driven along: Clouds are carried along, that is, they are driven along, by the wind.

 

2.STAGE, Joining: Then, small clouds (cumulus clouds) driven along by the wind join together, forming a larger cloud

 

3.STAGE, Stacking: When the small clouds join together, updrafts within the larger cloud increase. The updrafts near the centre of the cloud are stronger than those near the edges. These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically, so the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc.(10)

 

We must remember that meteorologists have only recently come to know these details of cloud formation, structure and function, by using advanced equipment like planes, satellites, computers etc. It is evident that God has given us a piece of information that could not have been known 1,400years ago.

 

The Seas not Mingling with One Another

 

 

 

One of the properties of seas that has only recently been discovered is related in a verse of the Qur'an as follows:

 

"He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through."

(The Qur'an, 55:19-20)

 

This property of the seas, that they come together yet do not mingle with one another at all, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers. Because of the physical force called "surface tension", the waters of neighboring seas do not mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin wall were between them.

 

The Qur'an contains science that was only discovered recently take a look for yourself in this website:

 

 

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Peace Hamza,

 

You wrote a lot there, and I suppose people could go through those point by point, but Im going to make a very simple comment. I was not always a Christian, and even dabbled in Islam a bit, so I did read two translations of the Quran from cover to cover. But even so, when I read the New Testament afterwards, I was in utter awe of it. Even reading a crummy English translation of St Paul's letter to the Romans became a spiritual experience for me. Ironically, I had thought of Paul as a regular old guy, even a corruptor of the message. But I walked away convinced he was an inspired man of God. I suppose this is going to be a subjective point, but even *if* all that you said above were true, the message of Christ is still more sublime, on a higher level, than what I read in the Quran.

 

Just my 2 cents

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My impression has been that a lot of the Quran seems to go back to the old testement of the bible, at least in it's tone. There seems to be a lot about punishments of various sorts, amongst other things, a lot relating to laws concerning human society. But what I'd like to know more specifically, is how King Solomon and Moses (particularly relating to the 10 commandements) are represented in the Quran.

 

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to have prophet Mos'a (Moses) pbuh complete story you have to read almost the whole Quran, his story is mentioned in almost 34 surahs of the holy Quran, but mainly the longest parts are in surah

Surah 20 TA-HA (TA-HA)

Surah 28 AL-QASAS (THE STORY, STORIES)

 

for prophet Soliman (solomon) pbuh, mainly

Surah 21 AL-ANBIYA (THE PROPHETS)

Surah 27 AL-NAML (THE ANT, THE ANTS)

 

you may download an electronic copy of the Quran and search by name,

 

you may download any authentic Islamic book about the stories of the prophets, here is one:

http://www.imanway.c...read.php?t=4783

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to have prophet Mos'a (Moses) pbuh complete story you have to read almost the whole Quran, his story is mentioned in almost 34 surahs of the holy Quran, but mainly the longest parts are in surah

Surah 20 TA-HA (TA-HA)

Surah 28 AL-QASAS (THE STORY, STORIES)

 

for prophet Soliman (solomon) pbuh, mainly

Surah 21 AL-ANBIYA (THE PROPHETS)

Surah 27 AL-NAML (THE ANT, THE ANTS)

 

you may download an electronic copy of the Quran and search by name,

 

you may download any authentic Islamic book about the stories of the prophets, here is one:

http://www.imanway.c...read.php?t=4783

 

That’s not true. In your first sentence, you have crossed the line from recognizing Islam's debt to those earlier faiths, and instead attempted to co-opt them into a belief system (Islam) that did not exist at the time of Moses and a belief system he did not share. The historical religious figures, (at least those that actually existed) did not understand their faiths to be some incomplete version of some later revelation. And they were not.

 

They were practitioners of fully formed and theologically comprehensive religious systems that needed no obvious reform, purification, repair or later completion. They most certainly needed no curruption by attempting to conform them to a politico-religious ideology that did not exist in their lifetimes.

 

You seem to have no knowledge of the Canaanite pagan polytheism from which Judaism (and hence all the following Abrahamic faiths) originally evolved. It would be an entertaining thread to watch you attempt to conform a polytheistic tradition in which the head god El (from whence the Arabic “Allah” ultimately derives both his identity and his name) and his consort Asherah have 70 or so sons that are assigned responsibility for different Middle Eastern nations.

 

If you insist on taking credit for the religions from which yours evolved, you cannot fail to embrace its pagan roots without justifying charges of special pleading.

 

However (and returning to the actual subject of this thread) that would be no different from the failure of Islam to understand that it is even more recently a syncretic faith, and that most of its core ritual (including its theology) is borrowed not from the Abrahamic faiths, but from Arab paganism. This would include almost every detail of the hajj rituals along with the Ka’abah itself.

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I havn't heard anything so far about Moses and the 10 commandments - are these recognised in the Qu'ran?

 

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I havn't heard anything so far about Moses and the 10 commandments - are these recognised in the Qu'ran?

 

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i believe it's not mentioned like that here is the 10 commandments of Moses pbuh. while the Quran mentions, according the contest, the commands that Allah ordered the people of Israeal to follow and their performance to such orders, for example

 

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Y: And remember We took a covenant from the Children of israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah; treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now).

 

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Y: And remember We took your covenant (to this effect): Shed no blood amongst you, nor turn out your own people from your homes: and this ye solemnly ratified, and to this ye can bear witness.

 

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Y: We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.

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That’s not true. In your first sentence, you have crossed the line from recognizing Islam's debt to those earlier faiths, and instead attempted to co-opt them into a belief system (Islam) that did not exist at the time of Moses and a belief system he did not share. The historical religious figures, (at least those that actually existed) did not understand their faiths to be some incomplete version of some later revelation. And they were not.

 

Stopped reading after this due.

 

Muslims do not believe what Moses(pbuh) brought was incomplete. What he brought was for the people of his time in its complete form, meaning the people of his time would be only judged by what was brought down to them.

 

It was only after that the later generations corrupted the teachings, and the final form of Islam (this time to the world as a whole) was brought down.

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Stopped reading after this due.

 

Muslims do not believe what Moses(pbuh) brought was incomplete. What he brought was for the people of his time in its complete form, meaning the people of his time would be only judged by what was brought down to them.

 

It was only after that the later generations corrupted the teachings, and the final form of Islam (this time to the world as a whole) was brought down.

 

You're hoping to rely on the false claim that Islam somehow completed earlier religions or somehow corrected earlier religious faiths which of course it did not. Islam shares much of the ideology of earlier religions because so much of Islam was co-opted from those faiths that preceded it.

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You're hoping to rely on the false claim that Islam somehow completed earlier religions or somehow corrected earlier religious faiths which of course it did not. Islam shares much of the ideology of earlier religions because so much of Islam was co-opted from those faiths that preceded it.

 

Can you prove that the claim is false?

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Going back to the original post, I don't see the force in arguing that Muhammad was illiterate, and that therefore the Quran is a miracle, since he lived in an oral culture. Even if it is true he could not read or write, he was still acquainted withe stories he heard from Jews and possibly Gnostics. Even Islamic tradition says one of his relatives translated the Injeel into Arabic, whatever that "injeel" may have been is unknown, its clearly the sources that formed Muhammad's knowledge was there. It also explains why the Quran is heavilly laden with certain stories, like that of Moses, while very little on Jesus (other than two varrying narrations on his birth, and several vague statements about him teaching mercy and performing some miracles, very little is revealed about Jesus.) For other prophets of the OT, even less is known. From my perspective, its rather clear we are dealing with something that is not supernatural.

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Well, it seems as though I do things differently somehow.

 

I take a Koran and read it. Too many issues are unresolved so I search and find the sunnah. I look up what I need and after some reading I am still left with some puzzles.

 

I look at the geography and see Egypt on the North-West and Syria on the North-East. I have Indians and Persians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Assyrians and Jews all around the Arabian peninsula.

I look at history and find influences by the Greeks, by the Egyptians, by the Jews, by the Sumerians, the Indians, the Christians.

I look at the text and find different words from different civilisations and ethnic groups.

 

Now the Koran is starting to make sense. I see the stories and influences from the all the peoples around the area and era, so this book can originate both from humans and a god. So if you believe this book and this text originated from a god you can be right. If you don't you can also be right. We simply don't know. Which means it is up to faith or rational thinking to decide which version a person believes.

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Well, it seems as though I do things differently somehow.

 

I take a Koran and read it. Too many issues are unresolved so I search and find the sunnah. I look up what I need and after some reading I am still left with some puzzles.

 

I look at the geography and see Egypt on the North-West and Syria on the North-East. I have Indians and Persians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Assyrians and Jews all around the Arabian peninsula.

I look at history and find influences by the Greeks, by the Egyptians, by the Jews, by the Sumerians, the Indians, the Christians.

I look at the text and find different words from different civilisations and ethnic groups.

 

Now the Koran is starting to make sense. I see the stories and influences from the all the peoples around the area and era, so this book can originate both from humans and a god. So if you believe this book and this text originated from a god you can be right. If you don't you can also be right. We simply don't know. Which means it is up to faith or rational thinking to decide which version a person believes.

 

you just summed some civilizations from different ages, that never been there at the same time,

at the begining of the 7th centuary, there were the Eastern Romans to the north west of Arabia, and the Persians to the north east, those guys have no idea about the barrier between the two seas, nor the barrier between the fresh and salt waters (halocline), the shape and function of the mountains, the expansion of the universe, the re-apperence of the Moses' Pharouh corp, human emproyology, the 360 joints in the human body......ETC, in fact not those guys nor any others at the time and tell few years ago have any idea about allof that.

 

i support the fact that, this book is from god, Allah

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Now the Koran is starting to make sense. I see the stories and influences from the all the peoples around the area and era (snip)

 

Yes, if you analyze the Quran as any book or piece of literature, you start to see various peculiarities that can hint at the sources. Muhammad had acquaintences with Jews but it's unlikely he had acquaintences with Christians (at least not main stream ones), and so it makes sense that the picture of Moses we get from the Quran is more detailed than the one of Jesus. Jesus is a very vague character, other than two narrations of his birth, a few sayings that he will deny he ever claimed divinity, and some miracle stories that floated around as legends, there is really little information there. I personally believe Muhammad's interaction with gnostics are the source of his information.

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you just summed some civilizations from different ages, that never been there at the same time,

 

Thank you for pointing that out. I did not say they did, but listed civilisations in the region. That is precisely why I called it geography.

 

at the begining of the 7th centuary, there were the Eastern Romans to the north west of Arabia, and the Persians to the north east, those guys have no idea about the barrier between the two seas, nor the barrier between the fresh and salt waters (), the shape and function of the mountains, the expansion of the universe, the re-apperence of the Moses' Pharouh corp, human emproyology, the 360 joints in the human body......ETC, in fact not those guys nor any others at the time and tell few years ago have any idea about allof that.

 

That's probably because there are no literal barriers between seas or a function for mountains in the real world. Nor do any of the rest exist in the Koran. They are metaphorical or allegorical descriptions.

 

FYI: a halocline is a vertical gradient in ocean salinity. You want the vertically stratified estuary, the area between inflowing rivers and where they mix with an ocean.

 

 

i support the fact that, this book is from god, Allah

 

Fine.

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Yes, if you analyze the Quran as any book or piece of literature, you start to see various peculiarities that can hint at the sources. Muhammad had acquaintences with Jews but it's unlikely he had acquaintences with Christians (at least not main stream ones), and so it makes sense that the picture of Moses we get from the Quran is more detailed than the one of Jesus. Jesus is a very vague character, other than two narrations of his birth, a few sayings that he will deny he ever claimed divinity, and some miracle stories that floated around as legends, there is really little information there. I personally believe Muhammad's interaction with gnostics are the source of his information.

 

What about all the Christians mentioned in the sirat by Tabari or Hisham who were in contact with Muhammad, such a s Waraqa bin Nawfal bin Asad bin ‘Abd Al-‘Uzza? What about his companions on his travels to Damascus, who were Christians?

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