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let me ask you in simple language, who had motor before sperm and bacteria cells? so it could evolve to what we have today...nobody.

 

 

I have no idea what you are asking. It is a nonsensical question. "Who had motor"? Answer: the Japanese. "Before sperm and bacteria cells"? Answer: the Italians. "It could evolve". What? from what? Into what? "Nobody"????? Look, I have given you perfectly good advice before: stay away from science and biology.

 

 

where was sperm before big bang? it was nothing...

 

 

You are embarrassingly ignorant of anything biological.

 

 

 

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

 

are you kidding me.

 

what is this?

 

Quran

16:4 He created man from a drop of sperm and yet he is an open challenger!

 

what is this then

 

http://www.Islam-gui...frm-ch1-1-a.htm

 

 

What this is? I have no idea. Probably some illiterate 7-year-old pretending to make drawings. And then garble up some texts.

 

It has nothing in common with what I would recognise as embryology.

 

16:4 He hath created man from a drop of fluid

 

Where in the Koran do you find the word sperm or gamete or spermatozoon? This is all about creation, not embryology.

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whaaaaat are you talking about, this is Islamic forum not christian forum. it has nothing to do with christianity.

 

 

Thank you for this amazingly useless information.

 

You are quoting Behe or Craig or whatever, all Christian apologists and all are - in my eyes at least - totally crazy.

Christians like Behe or Craig think they provide proof for their god: Jesus. And you quote them.

So my question is: which god are you proving to be correct when you apply arguments developed by Christians? If a bacteria should prove to be irreducibly complex or designed, would that prove Jesus correct or Allah?

 

there is only one God, there is no "wich" God.

 

Why do you insult Hindus, Zoroastrians, Taoists, Rastafarians and all other believers? They all believe in different gods.

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Thank you for this amazingly useless information.

 

You are quoting Behe or Craig or whatever, all Christian apologists and all are - in my eyes at least - totally crazy.

Christians like Behe or Craig think they provide proof for their god: Jesus. And you quote them.

So my question is: which god are you proving to be correct when you apply arguments developed by Christians? If a bacteria should prove to be irreducibly complex or designed, would that prove Jesus correct or Allah?

 

 

 

Why do you insult Hindus, Zoroastrians, Taoists, Rastafarians and all other believers? They all believe in different gods.

 

 

You are quoting Behe or Craig or whatever, all Christian apologists and all are - in my eyes at least - totally crazy.

 

 

i dont know what they are, but if they have information wich i can use for Islamic purpose i use it then, even if it was info from Satan himself.

 

 

Christians like Behe or Craig think they provide proof for their god: Jesus. And you quote them.

 

 

then they are deluded, beacuse Jesus is not God, even according to bible

 

 

So my question is: which god are you proving to be correct when you apply arguments developed by Christians? If a bacteria should prove to be irreducibly complex or designed, would that prove Jesus correct or Allah?

 

this God

 

 

 

 

Why do you insult Hindus, Zoroastrians, Taoists, Rastafarians and all other believers? They all believe in different gods

 

beacuse God says in quran He is only one God, of all people, there is no other gods than HIm.

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beacuse God says in quran He is only one God, of all people, there is no other gods than HIm.

 

Which god?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaWli7Z5Bm0

 

Your god is the god of Muslims who wrote the Koran. You believe this.

 

But 80% of the world's population disagree with you. That is what reality says.

 

This thread is about something that makes atheists believe in the existence of a god. So far, you have not managed anything but special pleading and appeals to emotion. You have not managed to bring up anything based on facts. You have shown that you blindly copy/paste all sorts of nonsense from the Harun Yahya website and don't even understand what you are copying.

 

Isn't it time you started thinking about what you are trying to do and how you are trying to do it?

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Which god?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaWli7Z5Bm0

 

Your god is the god of Muslims who wrote the Koran. You believe this.

 

But 80% of the world's population disagree with you. That is what reality says.

 

This thread is about something that makes atheists believe in the existence of a god. So far, you have not managed anything but special pleading and appeals to emotion. You have not managed to bring up anything based on facts. You have shown that you blindly copy/paste all sorts of nonsense from the Harun Yahya website and don't even understand what you are copying.

 

Isn't it time you started thinking about what you are trying to do and how you are trying to do it?

 

did you ever read quran?

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did you ever read quran?

 

Do you still have no idea who I am? Do you ask a question after you do some research on who you are talking to or do you pretend you have no knowledge of anything?

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Just jumping in - isn't it clear that no matter what points are brought forward such topics like this (god vs. no god) are going to go on and on without reaching any agreement? And both sides asking the other to do more research and to open up ... (!)

 

The true difference between believing in god or not believing is merely an emotional state. It is necessary to address this first. (That is why these ‘debates’ go on and on, each trying to force the other to open up emotionally, except that this rarely happens)

 

Given any piece of evidence for or against any intelligent designer, it will be interpreted by someone’s prior emotional attachment.

 

Two minor points on ‘theism’ and ‘atheism’:

 

To say that you believe in god SOLELY based on physical evidence is a very poor level of faith in god. Properly speaking, the existence of our Creator is known from deep within our being, but we have to find this by opening up our hearts to love our neighbour as ourselves. Without doing this, our faith in god will be skewed. To quote from a ‘holy book’ (Bible or Quran) is pretty pointless, unless you accept the superstitious belief that quoting from it will magically force your god to act upon the reader.

 

There is divine truth in atheism. Consider this emotive line of reasoning: If there is a god then god is all loving (else why bother to create?). Eternal punishment is said to exist (and there is certainly much pain in this life), so therefore god cannot be all loving because he clearly is not trying to stop pain nor will he end the eternal torment. Therefore god cannot exist. If such a person thinks like this BUT keeps an open heart towards his fellow human, I say he will be accepted on the Last Day: “Well done, you good and faithful servant, because you refused to ascribe evil intentions to me - even if this caused you to disbelieve in me - yet by loving your fellow human as best you could you showed true devotion to me”. I guess about 3% of the time, it could be better for people to be atheists than to believe in a god who desires some of his creation to suffer eternally (as some on this forum believe …).

 

 

The whole debate should not be about whether there is a god or not, but whether we are encouraged to love our fellow human – and that means also trying not to give in to emotions which may cause us to slander someone else’s beliefs.

 

Right, I’ve said my bit, you can throw e-stones at me now …

 

Richard

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Do you still have no idea who I am? Do you ask a question after you do some research on who you are talking to or do you pretend you have no knowledge of anything?

 

how can you discuss with me if you dont know what argument i have in my hands, if you are an atheist and you come to Islamic forum, you should have read quran in the frist place and then come here to discuss with us what we have.

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Right, I’ve said my bit, you can throw e-stones at me now …

 

 

Well, all you get from me are e-Kudos.....

 

Andalusi is frantically copying all sorts of things from Harun Yahya and all I'm trying to do is show how this is nonsense. Any god is based on faith and there is no way to prove the existence of one, least of all using Kalam or KCA or anything picked up from Harun Yahya.

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Well, all you get from me are e-Kudos.....

 

Andalusi is frantically copying all sorts of things from Harun Yahya and all I'm trying to do is show how this is nonsense. Any god is based on faith and there is no way to prove the existence of one, least of all using Kalam or KCA or anything picked up from Harun Yahya.

 

Any god is based on faith and there is no way to prove the existence of one

 

yes based on faith with logical evidence for his existence

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Sorry, but this is utter rubbish. It just convinces me of what I have already concluded; belief in any god is delusional!

There is no creature up there, somewhere, talking to us. Never has been, never will be!

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Sorry, but this is utter rubbish. It just convinces me of what I have already concluded; belief in any god is delusional!

There is no creature up there, somewhere, talking to us. Never has been, never will be!

 

the how caused tyhis universe to exist? if it was not God

 

How created those motors in bacteria and spermcells?

 

How can nature give you brain and intelect and nature itself does not have it?

 

Do you think you are here without any purpose? that maybe even a spike in a chair has purpose and you as human being dont have it?

 

 

The Messenger described the questioning in a speech reported by Imam Muslim that the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said: "Allah (S.W.T.) will meet a person and ask him: "O person, Wasn't I generous with you, and made you with a spouse, and made the horses and camels at your disposal? The servant will reply "yes"! Allah (S.W.T.) will then ask “Did you think that you will meet me?” He will reply: "No!" Allah (S.W.T.) will say: "I will forget you like you forgot me"! Then Allah (S.W.T.) will meet another person and his reply will be the same as the first person. Then Allah (S.W.T.) will meet a third person and will ask similar questions, and the person's reply will be: "O Lord I believed in you, in your books, and in your messengers. I prayed, I fasted, and I gave charity. And he will praise Allah as much as he can. Allah (S.W.T.) will say: "Hold on to your words, Now we will bring the witnesses. The person will ask himself “Who will testify against me?” Then that persons mouth will be sealed, and his thighs, flesh and bones will be asked to speak. They will speak about his bad deeds. He will know that he has no excuse. That is the hypocrite Allah (S.W.T.) will be furious with!”

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the who caused this universe to exist? if it was not God

 

Who created those motors in bacteria and spermcells?

 

How can nature give you brain and intelect and nature itself does not have it?

 

Do you think you are here without any purpose? that maybe even a spike in a chair has purpose and you as human being dont have it?

 

The Messenger described the questioning in a speech reported by Imam Muslim that the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said: "Allah (S.W.T.) will meet a person and ask him: "O person, Wasn't I generous with you, and made you with a spouse, and made the horses and camels at your disposal? The servant will reply "yes"! Allah (S.W.T.) will then ask “Did you think that you will meet me?” He will reply: "No!" Allah (S.W.T.) will say: "I will forget you like you forgot me"! Then Allah (S.W.T.) will meet another person and his reply will be the same as the first person. Then Allah (S.W.T.) will meet a third person and will ask similar questions, and the person's reply will be: "O Lord I believed in you, in your books, and in your messengers. I prayed, I fasted, and I gave charity. And he will praise Allah as much as he can. Allah (S.W.T.) will say: "Hold on to your words, Now we will bring the witnesses. The person will ask himself “Who will testify against me?” Then that persons mouth will be sealed, and his thighs, flesh and bones will be asked to speak. They will speak about his bad deeds. He will know that he has no excuse. That is the hypocrite Allah (S.W.T.) will be furious with!”

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THE FINE TUNING IN THE UNIVERSE

 

He Who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any flaw in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again-do you see any gaps? Then look again and again. Your sight will return to you dazzled and exhausted! (Qur'an, 67:3-4)

 

Do you not see how He created seven heavens in layers? (Qur'an, 71:15)

 

He to Whom the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs. He does not have a son and He has no partner in the Kingdom. He created everything and determined it most exactly. (Qur'an, 25:2)

 

Materialist philosophy emerged with the claim that all the systems in nature and the universe were like machines that functioned on their own, that the flawless order and balance within them were the work of chance. However, today, the false nature of materialism and of Darwinism, its so-called scientific foundation, has been scientifically demonstrated. (See Harun Yahya, The Evolution Deceit, 8th ed., Taha Publishers, 2004 and Darwinism Refuted, Goodword Books, 2003.)

 

The scientific discoveries of the 20th century that followed swiftly, one after the other, in the fields of astrophysics and biology have proved that life and the universe were created. As the theses of Darwinism collapsed, the Big Bang theory has shown that the universe was created from nothing. Discoveries have revealed that there is a great design and fine-tuning in the material world and this has categorically demonstrated the groundless nature of the claims of materialism.

 

Considering the conditions necessary for life, we see that only the Earth meets these particular conditions. For an environment suitable for life, there are innumerable conditions taking place simultaneously and unceasingly all around us. There are some hundred billion galaxies, each with-on average-a hundred billion stars. In all the galaxies, there are perhaps as many planets as stars.8 In the face of such overpowering numbers, one can better comprehend the significance of the formation of such an exceptional environment on the Earth.

 

From the force of the Big Bang explosion to the physical values of atoms, from the levels of the four basic forces to the chemical processes in the stars, from the type of light emitted by the Sun to the level of viscosity of water, from the distance of the Moon to the Earth to the level of gases in the atmosphere, from the Earth's distance from the Sun to its angle of tilt to its orbit, and from the speed at which the Earth revolves around its own axis to the functions of the oceans and mountains on the Earth: every single detail is ideally suited to our lives. Today, the world of science describes these features by means of the concepts of the "Anthropic Principle" and "Fine-Tuning." These concepts summarise the way that the universe is not an aimless, uncontrolled, chance collection of matter but that it has a purpose directed towards human life and has been designed with the greatest precision.

 

Attention is drawn in the above verses to the measure and harmony in Allah's creation. The word "taqdeeran," meaning "to design, measure, create by measuring," is employed in Qur'anic verses such as Surat al-Furqan 2. The word "tibaqan," meaning "in harmony," is used in Surat al-Mulk 3 and Surah Nuh 15. Furthermore, Allah also reveals in Surat al-Mulk with the word "tafawutin," meaning "disagreement, violation, non-conformity, disorder, opposite," that those who seek disharmony will fail to find it.

 

The term "fine-tuning," which began to be used towards the end of the 20th century, represents this truth revealed in the verses. Over the last quarter-century or so, a great many scientists, intellectuals and writers have shown that the universe is not a collection of coincidences. On the contrary, it has an extraordinary design and order ideally suited to human life in its every detail. (See Harun Yahya, The Creation of the Universe, Al-Attique Publishers, November 2002 and A Chain of Miracles, Global Publishing, May 2004.) Many features in the universe clearly show that the universe has been specially designed to support life. The physicist Dr. Karl Giberson expresses this fact thus:

 

In the 1960s, some physicists observed that our universe appears to have been fine-tuned for the existence of human life. 9

 

The British astrophysicist Professor George F. Ellis refers to this fine-tuning in these terms:

 

Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word "miraculous" without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word. 10

 

The speed of the Big Bang explosion:

 

The balances established with the Big Bang, the instantaneous formation of the universe, are one of the proofs that the universe did not come into being by chance. According to the well-known Adelaide University professor of mathematical physics Paul Davies, if the rate of expansion that took place following the Big Bang had been just one in a billion billion parts different (1/1018), the universe could not have come into being.11 In his book A Brief History of Time, Stephen Hawking recognises this extraordinary precision in the universe's rate of expansion:

 

If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size. 12

 

The Four Forces:

 

All physical motion in the universe comes about thanks to the interaction and equilibrium of the four forces recognised by modern physics: gravity, electromagnetic force, strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force. These forces possess extraordinarily different values to one another. Michael Denton, the famous molecular biologist, describes the extraordinary equilibrium among these forces thus:

 

If, for example, the gravitational force was a trillion times stronger, then the universe would be far smaller and its life history far shorter. An average star would have a mass a trillion times less than the sun and a life span of about one year. On the other hand, if gravity had been less powerful, no stars or galaxies would have ever formed. The other relationships and values are no less critical. If the strong force had been just slightly weaker, the only element that would be stable would be hydrogen. No other atoms could exist. If it had been slightly stronger in relation to electromagnetism, then an atomic nucleus consisting of only two protons would be a stable feature of the universe-which would mean there would be no hydrogen, and if any stars or galaxies evolved, they would be very different from the way they are. Clearly, if these various forces and constants did not have precisely the values they do, there would be no stars, no supernovae, no planets, no atoms, no life. 13

 

The Distances between Celestial Bodies:

 

The distribution of celestial bodies in space and the enormous spaces between them are essential to the existence of life on Earth. The distances between celestial bodies have been set out in a calculation compatible with a great many powerful universal forces in such a way as to support life on Earth. In his book Nature's Destiny Michael Denton describes the distance between supernovae and stars:

 

The distances between supernovae and indeed between all stars is critical for other reasons. The distance between stars in our galaxy is about 30 million miles. If this distance was much less, planetary orbits would be destabilized. If it was much more, then the debris thrown out by a supernova would be so diffusely distributed that planetary systems like our own would in all probability never form. If the cosmos is to be a home for life, then the flickering of the supernovae must occur at a very precise rate and the average distance between them, and indeed between all stars, must be very close to the actual observed figure. 14

 

Gravity:

 

- If gravity were stronger, excessive ammonia and methane would collect in the Earth's atmosphere, which would have a most damaging effect on life.

 

- If it were weaker, the Earth's atmosphere would lose excessive quantities of water, making life impossible.

 

The Earth's Distance from the Sun:

 

- If this were any greater, the planet would grow very cold, the water cycle in the atmosphere would be affected, and the planet would enter an ice-age.

 

- If the Earth were any closer to the Sun, plants would burn up, the water cycle in the Earth's atmosphere would be irreparably damaged, and life would become impossible.-

 

The Thickness of the Earth's Crust:

 

- If the crust were any thicker, then an excessive amount of oxygen would be transferred to it from the atmosphere.

- If it were any thinner, the resulting amount of volcanic activity would make life impossible.

 

The Speed at which the Earth Revolves:

 

If this were any slower, the temperature difference between day and night would grow enormously.

 

-If it were any faster, then atmospheric winds would reach enormous speeds, and cyclones and storms would make life impossible.

 

The Earth's Magnetic Field:

 

- If this were any more powerful, very strong electromagnetic storms would arise.

 

- If it were any weaker, then the Earth would lose its protection against the harmful particles given off by the Sun and known as solar winds. Both situations would make life impossible.-

 

The Albedo Effect (Ratio between the amount of light the Earth reflects and the amount of light that is absorbed):

 

- If this were any greater, an ice-age would rapidly result.

 

- If it were any less, the greenhouse effect would lead to excessive warming. The Earth would first be flooded with the melting of the glaciers, and would then burn up.-

 

The Proportion of Oxygen and Nitrogen in the Atmosphere:

 

- If this were any greater, vital functions would be adversely accelerated.

 

- If it were any less, vital functions would adversely slow down.

 

The Proportion of Carbon Dioxide and Water in the Atmosphere:

 

- If this were any greater, the atmosphere would overheat.

 

- If it were any less, the temperature of the atmosphere would fall.

 

The Thickness of the Ozone Layer:

 

- If this were any greater, the Earth's temperature would fall enormously.

 

- If it were any less, the Earth would overheat and be defenceless against the harmful ultraviolet rays emitted by the Sun.

 

Seismic Activity (Earthquakes):

 

- If this were any greater, there would be constant upheaval for living things.

 

- If it were any less, the nutrients at the sea bottom would fail to spread into the water. This would have a damaging effect on life in the seas and oceans and all living things on Earth.-

 

The Earth's Angle of Tilt:

 

The Earth has a 23 degree angle of inclination to its orbit. It is this inclination that gives rise to the seasons. If this angle were any greater or any less than it is now, the temperature difference between the seasons would reach extreme dimensions, with unbearably hot summers and bitterly cold winters.

 

The Size of the Sun:

 

A smaller star than the Sun would mean the Earth would freeze and a larger star would lead to its burning up.

 

The Attraction between the Earth and the Moon:

 

- If this were any greater, the powerful attraction of the Moon would have extremely serious effects on atmospheric conditions, the speed at which the Earth revolves around its own axis and on the ocean tides.

 

- If it were any less, this would lead to extreme climate changes.-

 

The Distance between the Earth and the Moon:

 

- If they were just a little closer, the Moon would crash into the Earth.

 

- If they were any further, the Moon would become lost in space.

 

- If they were even a little closer, the Moon's effect on the Earth's tides would reach dangerous dimensions. Ocean waves would inundate low-lying areas. The friction emerging as a result of this would raise the temperature of the oceans and the sensitive temperature balance essential to life on Earth would disappear.

 

- If they were even a little further away, the tides would decrease, leading the oceans to be less mobile. Immobile water would endanger life in the seas, and the level of the oxygen we breathe would be endangered. 15

 

The Temperature of the Earth and Carbon-Based Life:

 

The existence of carbon, the basis of all life, depends on the temperature remaining within specific limits. Carbon is an essential substance for organic molecules such as amino-acid, nucleic acid and protein: These constitute the basis of life. For that reason, life can only be carbon-based. Given this, the existing temperature needs to be no lower than -20 degrees and no higher than 120 degrees Celsius. These are just the temperature limits on Earth.

 

These are just a few of the exceedingly sensitive balances which are essential for life on Earth to have emerged and to survive. Yet even these are sufficient to definitively reveal that the Earth and the universe could not have come into being as the result of a number of consecutive coincidences. The concepts of "fine-tuning" and the "anthropic principle" that began to be employed in the 20th century are further evidence of Allah's creation. The harmony and proportion therein were described with magnificent accuracy fourteen centuries ago in the Qur'an.

 

 

8. Carl Sagan, Cosmos (Avenel, NJ: Wings Books: April 1983), 5-7.

9. Karl Giberson, “The Anthropic Principle,” Journal of Interdisciplinary Studies 9 (1997).

10. George F. Ellis, "The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments,” The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U. Curi (New York: Cambridge University Press: 1993), 30.

11. Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of Nature, 1984, 184.

12. Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time (London: Bantam Press: 1988), 121-125.

13. Michael Denton, Nature's Destiny: How the Laws of Biology Reveal Purpose in the Universe (New York: The Free Press: 1998), 12-13.

14. Ibid., 11.

15. http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclo....htm#Elemental Forces

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here is examples of evidences of existence of God

 

Many atheists say that life was created by chance. Now i ask them , can you take numbers from 1 to 20 in a row, shake it a throw numbers out and what is the chance, that 20 numbers are in order

1,2,3,4,5....20 and not like this 3,5,1,9,15, 17...

 

The chance that such event happens is 0%

 

So how can all of this be a chance and that there is no creator in this universe.

 

Reason 1

 

HOW CAN NATURE CREATE A BABY WITH ORGANS IN MOTHERS WOMB AND THAT BABY DOES NOT NEED THOSE ORGANS IN THE WOMB, LIKE EYES, EARS, MOUTH, LEGS, HANDS AND SO ON? DOES NATURE KNOW FUTURE SO IT EQUIPS BABY WITH ORGANS SO IT CAN LIVE NORMALLY IN THIS WORLD? DOES NATURE KNOW THAT BABY WILL EAT IN FUTURE SO IT DOES NOT COVER TEETH/BONES IN MOUTH AND COVER ALL OTHER BONES, CAN YOU IMAGINE COVERED TEETH WITH FLESH? Does nature know the future that little baby shall eat apple, meat and other hard food, so it does not cover bones in the mouth (teeth)with flesh while all other bones in human body are covered. Does nature know the future, so it creates glands in the baby, so the baby can have sex after 18-25 years when, glands that creates natural lubricant so it is easy to have sex. no, God know the future sop it equips the baby with all organs that he/she needs for life on this earth.

 

 

Reson 2

 

If earth was little closer to the sun we would be burned, life impossible for humans, If earth was little bit farther from the sun, everything would freeze, life would be impossible for humans. If there was little bit more oxygen in atmosphere we could not live normally due to fire in nature, if there was less oxygen in atmosphere than it is today we could not breath. If the earth had not angle of 23 degrees we would not have 4 different periods in a years, summer, autumn, winter, spring. If the moon was 80 000 km farther from the earth, life would be almost impossible for humans, beacuse oceaon would flood the continents. If the atmosphere was thinner or smaller, meteors would bombing us all the time, life impossible.

 

Reason 3

 

How can someone give something wich he does not possess in his own hands, HOW CAN NATURE GIVE BRAIN AND INTELECT TO HUMANS AND NATURE ITSELF DOES NOT HAVE BRAIN NOR INTELECT. so someone who have something can give it to other, God has intelect and has power to give to humans.

 

 

Reason 4

 

Explosion always create chaos, have you ever seen that explosion creates a new BMW with GPS and other stuff. No, so How can Big bang create such harmony in nature ? Of course God started big bang and controlled it and crated life here on this planet. God said in the Quran that He started Big bang, and created universe.

 

Reason 5

 

Even we can see evidence of God existence in animals, they are equiped with capabilities for survival, HOW CAN FISH, BUTTERFLY,caterpillars, SPIDERS HAVE BIG FALSE EYES ON THEIR BODIES, AND THEIR REAL SMALL ARE HIDDEN, BIG EYES ALWAYS ASSOCIATE WITH BIGGER ANIMALS SO THE PREDATORS WILL BE SCARED WHEN THEY SEE THEM. WHO DESIGNED THOSE ANIMALS, WHO EQUIPED THOSE SMALL ANIMALS WITH FALSE BIG EYES ON THEY BODIES SO THEY CAN SCARE PREDATORS AND SURVIVE. GOD OF COURSE.

 

 

Reason 6

 

Fine tuning of the universe, if values in the universe was little lower universe would dissipear, if values in the universe was little higher universe would also dissipear,

 

Look what scientists say about that

 

 

 

So correct values in universe is also evidence that universe has a creator. God.

 

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This fish have false eye close to the tail, while real small eye is covered with black string.

 

HOW CAN A SUCH SMALL FISH HAVE CAPABILITIES TO CREATE FALSE BIG EYE CLOSE TO THE TAIL, WHILE REAL SMAL EYES ARE HIDDEN. DOES THE FISH KNOW THAT FALSE BIG EYE resembles bigger animal so it can scare predators, and hide his own little eye with black string. No, the fish does not now that, it is God , who is the designer of this little fish, so he equips it with false big eye, and hide fish real eye.

 

 

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Actually, what look like eyes are not eyes at all. They are skin patterns called ‘false eyes’ - adapted by these caterpillars as a defense against predators. The actual eyes are located in the areas indicated by the green circles

 

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other animals with same defending mechanism.

 

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THE FINE TUNING IN THE UNIVERSE

 

He Who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any flaw in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again-do you see any gaps? Then look again and again. Your sight will return to you dazzled and exhausted! (Qur'an, 67:3-4)

 

Do you not see how He created seven heavens in layers? (Qur'an, 71:15)

 

He to Whom the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs. He does not have a son and He has no partner in the Kingdom. He created everything and determined it most exactly. (Qur'an, 25:2)

 

Materialist philosophy emerged with the claim that all the systems in nature and the universe were like machines that functioned on their own, that the flawless order and balance within them were the work of chance. However, today, the false nature of materialism and of Darwinism, its so-called scientific foundation, has been scientifically demonstrated. (See Harun Yahya, The Evolution Deceit, 8th ed., Taha Publishers, 2004 and Darwinism Refuted, Goodword Books, 2003.)

 

The scientific discoveries of the 20th century that followed swiftly, one after the other, in the fields of astrophysics and biology have proved that life and the universe were created. As the theses of Darwinism collapsed, the Big Bang theory has shown that the universe was created from nothing. Discoveries have revealed that there is a great design and fine-tuning in the material world and this has categorically demonstrated the groundless nature of the claims of materialism.

 

Considering the conditions necessary for life, we see that only the Earth meets these particular conditions. For an environment suitable for life, there are innumerable conditions taking place simultaneously and unceasingly all around us. There are some hundred billion galaxies, each with-on average-a hundred billion stars. In all the galaxies, there are perhaps as many planets as stars.8 In the face of such overpowering numbers, one can better comprehend the significance of the formation of such an exceptional environment on the Earth.

 

From the force of the Big Bang explosion to the physical values of atoms, from the levels of the four basic forces to the chemical processes in the stars, from the type of light emitted by the Sun to the level of viscosity of water, from the distance of the Moon to the Earth to the level of gases in the atmosphere, from the Earth's distance from the Sun to its angle of tilt to its orbit, and from the speed at which the Earth revolves around its own axis to the functions of the oceans and mountains on the Earth: every single detail is ideally suited to our lives. Today, the world of science describes these features by means of the concepts of the "Anthropic Principle" and "Fine-Tuning." These concepts summarise the way that the universe is not an aimless, uncontrolled, chance collection of matter but that it has a purpose directed towards human life and has been designed with the greatest precision.

 

Attention is drawn in the above verses to the measure and harmony in Allah's creation. The word "taqdeeran," meaning "to design, measure, create by measuring," is employed in Qur'anic verses such as Surat al-Furqan 2. The word "tibaqan," meaning "in harmony," is used in Surat al-Mulk 3 and Surah Nuh 15. Furthermore, Allah also reveals in Surat al-Mulk with the word "tafawutin," meaning "disagreement, violation, non-conformity, disorder, opposite," that those who seek disharmony will fail to find it.

 

The term "fine-tuning," which began to be used towards the end of the 20th century, represents this truth revealed in the verses. Over the last quarter-century or so, a great many scientists, intellectuals and writers have shown that the universe is not a collection of coincidences. On the contrary, it has an extraordinary design and order ideally suited to human life in its every detail. (See Harun Yahya, The Creation of the Universe, Al-Attique Publishers, November 2002 and A Chain of Miracles, Global Publishing, May 2004.) Many features in the universe clearly show that the universe has been specially designed to support life. The physicist Dr. Karl Giberson expresses this fact thus:

 

In the 1960s, some physicists observed that our universe appears to have been fine-tuned for the existence of human life. 9

 

The British astrophysicist Professor George F. Ellis refers to this fine-tuning in these terms:

 

Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word "miraculous" without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word. 10

 

The speed of the Big Bang explosion:

 

The balances established with the Big Bang, the instantaneous formation of the universe, are one of the proofs that the universe did not come into being by chance. According to the well-known Adelaide University professor of mathematical physics Paul Davies, if the rate of expansion that took place following the Big Bang had been just one in a billion billion parts different (1/1018), the universe could not have come into being.11 In his book A Brief History of Time, Stephen Hawking recognises this extraordinary precision in the universe's rate of expansion:

 

If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size. 12

 

The Four Forces:

 

All physical motion in the universe comes about thanks to the interaction and equilibrium of the four forces recognised by modern physics: gravity, electromagnetic force, strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force. These forces possess extraordinarily different values to one another. Michael Denton, the famous molecular biologist, describes the extraordinary equilibrium among these forces thus:

 

If, for example, the gravitational force was a trillion times stronger, then the universe would be far smaller and its life history far shorter. An average star would have a mass a trillion times less than the sun and a life span of about one year. On the other hand, if gravity had been less powerful, no stars or galaxies would have ever formed. The other relationships and values are no less critical. If the strong force had been just slightly weaker, the only element that would be stable would be hydrogen. No other atoms could exist. If it had been slightly stronger in relation to electromagnetism, then an atomic nucleus consisting of only two protons would be a stable feature of the universe-which would mean there would be no hydrogen, and if any stars or galaxies evolved, they would be very different from the way they are. Clearly, if these various forces and constants did not have precisely the values they do, there would be no stars, no supernovae, no planets, no atoms, no life. 13

 

The Distances between Celestial Bodies:

 

The distribution of celestial bodies in space and the enormous spaces between them are essential to the existence of life on Earth. The distances between celestial bodies have been set out in a calculation compatible with a great many powerful universal forces in such a way as to support life on Earth. In his book Nature's Destiny Michael Denton describes the distance between supernovae and stars:

 

The distances between supernovae and indeed between all stars is critical for other reasons. The distance between stars in our galaxy is about 30 million miles. If this distance was much less, planetary orbits would be destabilized. If it was much more, then the debris thrown out by a supernova would be so diffusely distributed that planetary systems like our own would in all probability never form. If the cosmos is to be a home for life, then the flickering of the supernovae must occur at a very precise rate and the average distance between them, and indeed between all stars, must be very close to the actual observed figure. 14

 

Gravity:

 

- If gravity were stronger, excessive ammonia and methane would collect in the Earth's atmosphere, which would have a most damaging effect on life.

 

- If it were weaker, the Earth's atmosphere would lose excessive quantities of water, making life impossible.

 

The Earth's Distance from the Sun:

 

- If this were any greater, the planet would grow very cold, the water cycle in the atmosphere would be affected, and the planet would enter an ice-age.

 

- If the Earth were any closer to the Sun, plants would burn up, the water cycle in the Earth's atmosphere would be irreparably damaged, and life would become impossible.-

 

The Thickness of the Earth's Crust:

 

- If the crust were any thicker, then an excessive amount of oxygen would be transferred to it from the atmosphere.

- If it were any thinner, the resulting amount of volcanic activity would make life impossible.

 

The Speed at which the Earth Revolves:

 

If this were any slower, the temperature difference between day and night would grow enormously.

 

-If it were any faster, then atmospheric winds would reach enormous speeds, and cyclones and storms would make life impossible.

 

The Earth's Magnetic Field:

 

- If this were any more powerful, very strong electromagnetic storms would arise.

 

- If it were any weaker, then the Earth would lose its protection against the harmful particles given off by the Sun and known as solar winds. Both situations would make life impossible.-

 

The Albedo Effect (Ratio between the amount of light the Earth reflects and the amount of light that is absorbed):

 

- If this were any greater, an ice-age would rapidly result.

 

- If it were any less, the greenhouse effect would lead to excessive warming. The Earth would first be flooded with the melting of the glaciers, and would then burn up.-

 

The Proportion of Oxygen and Nitrogen in the Atmosphere:

 

- If this were any greater, vital functions would be adversely accelerated.

 

- If it were any less, vital functions would adversely slow down.

 

The Proportion of Carbon Dioxide and Water in the Atmosphere:

 

- If this were any greater, the atmosphere would overheat.

 

- If it were any less, the temperature of the atmosphere would fall.

 

The Thickness of the Ozone Layer:

 

- If this were any greater, the Earth's temperature would fall enormously.

 

- If it were any less, the Earth would overheat and be defenceless against the harmful ultraviolet rays emitted by the Sun.

 

Seismic Activity (Earthquakes):

 

- If this were any greater, there would be constant upheaval for living things.

 

- If it were any less, the nutrients at the sea bottom would fail to spread into the water. This would have a damaging effect on life in the seas and oceans and all living things on Earth.-

 

The Earth's Angle of Tilt:

 

The Earth has a 23 degree angle of inclination to its orbit. It is this inclination that gives rise to the seasons. If this angle were any greater or any less than it is now, the temperature difference between the seasons would reach extreme dimensions, with unbearably hot summers and bitterly cold winters.

 

The Size of the Sun:

 

A smaller star than the Sun would mean the Earth would freeze and a larger star would lead to its burning up.

 

The Attraction between the Earth and the Moon:

 

- If this were any greater, the powerful attraction of the Moon would have extremely serious effects on atmospheric conditions, the speed at which the Earth revolves around its own axis and on the ocean tides.

 

- If it were any less, this would lead to extreme climate changes.-

 

The Distance between the Earth and the Moon:

 

- If they were just a little closer, the Moon would crash into the Earth.

 

- If they were any further, the Moon would become lost in space.

 

- If they were even a little closer, the Moon's effect on the Earth's tides would reach dangerous dimensions. Ocean waves would inundate low-lying areas. The friction emerging as a result of this would raise the temperature of the oceans and the sensitive temperature balance essential to life on Earth would disappear.

 

- If they were even a little further away, the tides would decrease, leading the oceans to be less mobile. Immobile water would endanger life in the seas, and the level of the oxygen we breathe would be endangered. 15

 

The Temperature of the Earth and Carbon-Based Life:

 

The existence of carbon, the basis of all life, depends on the temperature remaining within specific limits. Carbon is an essential substance for organic molecules such as amino-acid, nucleic acid and protein: These constitute the basis of life. For that reason, life can only be carbon-based. Given this, the existing temperature needs to be no lower than -20 degrees and no higher than 120 degrees Celsius. These are just the temperature limits on Earth.

 

These are just a few of the exceedingly sensitive balances which are essential for life on Earth to have emerged and to survive. Yet even these are sufficient to definitively reveal that the Earth and the universe could not have come into being as the result of a number of consecutive coincidences. The concepts of "fine-tuning" and the "anthropic principle" that began to be employed in the 20th century are further evidence of Allah's creation. The harmony and proportion therein were described with magnificent accuracy fourteen centuries ago in the Qur'an.

 

 

8. Carl Sagan, Cosmos (Avenel, NJ: Wings Books: April 1983), 5-7.

9. Karl Giberson, “The Anthropic Principle,” Journal of Interdisciplinary Studies 9 (1997).

10. George F. Ellis, "The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments,” The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U. Curi (New York: Cambridge University Press: 1993), 30.

11. Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of Nature, 1984, 184.

12. Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time (London: Bantam Press: 1988), 121-125.

13. Michael Denton, Nature's Destiny: How the Laws of Biology Reveal Purpose in the Universe (New York: The Free Press: 1998), 12-13.

14. Ibid., 11.

15. http://www.pathlight.....htm#Elemental Forces

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OK, I give up. You want to live in a dream-world, fine.

All you need to realise one day is that you are one of the reasons why Muslims are considered uneducated and superstitious. You use factual examples which contradict the Koran and you don't even notice it - because you don't understand them. Oh boy. Why don't you rather keep quiet?

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OK, I give up. You want to live in a dream-world, fine.

All you need to realise one day is that you are one of the reasons why Muslims are considered uneducated and superstitious. You use factual examples which contradict the Koran and you don't even notice it - because you don't understand them. Oh boy. Why don't you rather keep quiet?

 

OK, I give up. You want to live in a dream-world, fine

 

dont give up man, my advice to yuo ,read quran, so you can understand how i think.

 

coming to me unprepared is like indians with arrows attacking superpower with atomic bombs. you need to know how i think and why i think like i do.

 

read the quran, and then we can talk

 

 

All you need to realise one day is that you are one of the reasons why Muslims are considered uneducated and superstitious.

 

i gradued at university, in western countries.

 

 

Oh boy. Why don't you rather keep quiet?

 

is that your best shot against me, you best argument, just keep quiet :)

 

man, i shall keep quiet when you read quran

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ANdalusi, your last post was a better post on the issue than almost all of what so-called "Creation Scientists" spew here in America! Very good work!

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here is examples of evidences of existence of God

 

Many atheists say that life was created by chance. Now i ask them , can you take numbers from 1 to 20 in a row, shake it a throw numbers out and what is the chance, that 20 numbers are in order

1,2,3,4,5....20 and not like this 3,5,1,9,15, 17...

 

The chance that such event happens is 0%

 

So how can all of this be a chance and that there is no creator in this universe.

I think the above is silly as suggesting it offers support of an allegation that god(s) exist. What point are you trying to make?

Firstly, the chances are not 0% in connection with your example above. Secondly, random number sequences are not supportive of evidence for the gods.

Lastly, your long cut and paste has the unmistakable odor of Harun Yahya.

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If earth was little closer to the sun we would be burned, life impossible for humans, If earth was little bit farther from the sun, everything would freeze, life would be impossible for humans. If there was little bit more oxygen in atmosphere we could not live normally due to fire in nature, if there was less oxygen in atmosphere than it is today we could not breath. If the earth had not angle of 23 degrees we would not have 4 different periods in a years, summer, autumn, winter, spring. If the moon was 80 000 km farther from the earth, life would be almost impossible for humans, beacuse oceaon would flood the continents. If the atmosphere was thinner or smaller, meteors would bombing us all the time, life impossible.

 

Correct. If conditions on this planet were different, conditions would be different.

 

That's what we call "stating the obvious".

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Correct. If conditions on this planet were different, conditions would be different.

 

That's what we call "stating the obvious".

 

yes , and try to put the earth closer to sun, life inmpossible for us or put it little farther from the sun , life impossible for us.

So god has made special messuermets for us humans so we can live here on earth. but you as atheist can believe that this is all created by the chance.

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yes , and try to put the earth closer to sun, life inmpossible for us or put it little farther from the sun , life impossible for us.

So god has made special messuermets for us humans so we can live here on earth. but you as atheist can believe that this is all created by the chance.

Yes, and try to put the earth precisely where it in relation to the sun and life would be impossible at both polar regions. Be sure to thank the gods for that for that design flaw.

 

Oh, and the blueprint for killing earthquakes, tsunami floods, tornadoes, hurricanes and other "acts of the gods"... and the blueprint for the cancer cell... what a masterstroke of design. As a "designer", your gods are utterly incompetent.

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since the life is a test, all kinds of difficulties human encounters are just simply the questions of the test, Allah monitors the human reactions, records it and then accout him about it. that also to distinguish between the Jannah life and this Doniah (low) life, that will urge people to to reach the joy life in Jannah.

 

all mankind will face questions (difficultis) while the bad amoung them will be punished by some more kinds of these difficulties, sadness and emptness (that lead to suicide) are the price of being away from god. many fatal diseases (STDs/AIDS/ many types of cancers) are the price of all kinds of illegal sex (the map of AIDS is coincedant with the map of that type of sex), some natural desesters are the price of homosexuality (people of LOT and mostly Pompii).

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Oh, and the blueprint for killing earthquakes, tsunami floods, tornadoes, hurricanes and other "acts of the gods"... and the blueprint for the cancer cell... what a masterstroke of design. As a "designer", your gods are utterly incompetent.

 

do you expect the earth to be a paradise or what?

 

What a about if that desginer use killing earthquakes, tsunami floods, tornadoes, hurricanes as PUNISHMENT FOR PEOPLE? WHY DONT YOU THINK LIKE THAT?

 

God explains in quran:

 

42:30 Any disaster that strikes you is through what your own hands have earned and HE forgives many of your sins.

 

31 you cannot escape Him anywhere on earth: you have no protector or helper other than God.

 

32 And of HIS signs are the sailing ships on the sea, tall like mountains.

 

33 If He willed, He could still the winds, leaving them motionless on top of it. In that are signs for every one who is patient, thankful.

 

34 Or He may drown them, for what they have earned, but He pardons much.

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