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do you expect the earth to be a paradise or what?

 

What a about if that desginer use killing earthquakes, tsunami floods, tornadoes, hurricanes as PUNISHMENT FOR PEOPLE? WHY DONT YOU THINK LIKE THAT?

 

God explains in quran:

 

42:30 Any disaster that strikes you is through what your own hands have earned and HE forgives many of your sins.

 

31 you cannot escape Him anywhere on earth: you have no protector or helper other than God.

 

32 And of HIS signs are the sailing ships on the sea, tall like mountains.

 

33 If He willed, He could still the winds, leaving them motionless on top of it. In that are signs for every one who is patient, thankful.

 

34 Or He may drown them, for what they have earned, but He pardons much.

 

I believe your comments self contradict. On the one hand, you are attempting to define the "perfect order" that you claim the gods have established on this planet yet you post Any disaster that strikes you is through what your own hands have earned.

 

Quite clearly, "natural disasters" are the result of your gods, not something that is through my own hands.

 

Things arethe way they arebecause the Gods want them precisely this way and this includes a nasty and capricious nature which will kill people via floods and tornadoes and fires and earthquakes etc., none of which are essential to a world created by a God. He could have just as easily made it otherwise, he just didn't.

 

So it's useless to argue that "this life is a test". That makes no sense. Of what purpose are there "natural evils"? How many fires wiping out cities have we needed to learn some alleged "test"? Do we really need mudslides eradicating villages and snuffing out the lives of children just so we can be "tested"?

 

And so the next argument is, "Well, this is the way existence is!" Except that argument has no reply against: "Yes, but why doe the gods create it "the way it is" when they just as easily could have created it differently?" And back to the same answer: Evil exists to "test" us-- a wonder to behold!

 

Or-- existence is natural and things happen that are good to our perspective, or bad to our perspective, and each day we choose a path unfettered by anything but the laws of nature.

 

 

There is really no such a things as a "natural consequence" because the root of all is the supernatural law-defining abilities of the gods that cobbled it together. The gods don't cause an earthquake? Yes, they establish the laws of plate tectonics which describe the physical characteristics of portions of the earth’s crust which shifts and adjusts, and those elements together create shifting of landmasses we call earthquakes.

 

The gods don't cause tornadoes? Yes, they establish the laws of convection and rotation of planets, and those two elements together create swirling whirlwinds we call twisters. As the Author of All, they could have created a completely different existence-- but didn't.

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I believe your comments self contradict. On the one hand, you are attempting to define the "perfect order" that you claim the gods have established on this planet yet you post Any disaster that strikes you is through what your own hands have earned.

 

Quite clearly, "natural disasters" are the result of your gods, not something that is through my own hands.

 

Things arethe way they arebecause the Gods want them precisely this way and this includes a nasty and capricious nature which will kill people via floods and tornadoes and fires and earthquakes etc., none of which are essential to a world created by a God. He could have just as easily made it otherwise, he just didn't.

 

So it's useless to argue that "this life is a test". That makes no sense. Of what purpose are there "natural evils"? How many fires wiping out cities have we needed to learn some alleged "test"? Do we really need mudslides eradicating villages and snuffing out the lives of children just so we can be "tested"?

 

And so the next argument is, "Well, this is the way existence is!" Except that argument has no reply against: "Yes, but why doe the gods create it "the way it is" when they just as easily could have created it differently?" And back to the same answer: Evil exists to "test" us-- a wonder to behold!

 

Or-- existence is natural and things happen that are good to our perspective, or bad to our perspective, and each day we choose a path unfettered by anything but the laws of nature.

 

 

 

There is really no such a things as a "natural consequence" because the root of all is the supernatural law-defining abilities of the gods that cobbled it together. The gods don't cause an earthquake? Yes, they establish the laws of plate tectonics which describe the physical characteristics of portions of the earth’s crust which shifts and adjusts, and those elements together create shifting of landmasses we call earthquakes.

 

 

The gods don't cause tornadoes? Yes, they establish the laws of convection and rotation of planets, and those two elements together create swirling whirlwinds we call twisters. As the Author of All, they could have created a completely different existence-- but didn't.

 

 

what gods are you talking about ? we dont believe in gods.

 

Quite clearly, "natural disasters" are the result of your gods, not something that is through my own hands.

 

you dont understand, distaster wich strikes people can be punishment from God or test.

 

But volcanos, hurricanes, tzunamis are natural happenings wich God uses sometimes as a punishment for people.

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what gods are you talking about ? we dont believe in gods.

Why limit yourself to one god when multiple, bustling entities can form a formidible union?

 

 

 

you dont understand, distaster wich strikes people can be punishment from God or test.

 

But volcanos, hurricanes, tzunamis are natural happenings wich God uses sometimes as a punishment for people.

You seem to speak with authority on the wants and wishes of the gods. So tell us please, in the case of the people who died in the Japanese tsunami, who was being tested?

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Why limit yourself to one god when multiple, bustling entities can form a formidible union?

 

You seem to speak with authority on the wants and wishes of the gods. So tell us please, in the case of the people who died in the Japanese tsunami, who was being tested?

 

Why limit yourself to one god when multiple, bustling entities can form a formidible union?

 

God answer to you from quran:

 

6:102 This is God, your Lord, there is no God but Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him; He is in charge of everything.

 

23:91 God has never had a child. Nor is there any god beside Him- if there were, each god would have taken his creation aside and tried to overcome the others. May God be exalted above what they describe!

 

21:22 If there had been in the heavens or earth any gods but Him, both heavens and earth would be in ruins: God, Lord of the Throne, is far above the things they say:

 

 

You seem to speak with authority on the wants and wishes of the gods. So tell us please, in the case of the people who died in the Japanese tsunami, who was being tested?

 

For unbelievers it is a punishment for believers it is a test, HOW?

 

When distaster strikes on unbelievers and they die, there is no go back to earth, no possibility to regret for their deeds, while in case when distater strikes believers, those who die are martyrs and go to paradise, the difference between the death of beleiver and unbeliever is when soul is separated from the body, Angel of death separates soul of unbeliever with much pain to unbliever, but when angel of death take the soul of a believer he takes it easy, without pain, and believer goes to Paradise. while those believers who are still aliive after distatser, they shall be patient and they will get reward from God on the day of judgment for that, while unbeliever will not get reward if they still alive and be patient after that.

 

So in the case of Japanese tsunami , we shall look for their deeds, and it was Shirk(setting partners aside of God, beacuse when you worship Buddha statues, you are commiting a shrik, so in that case japanese tzunami is probably punishment.

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God answer to you from quran:

 

6:102 This is God, your Lord, there is no God but Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him; He is in charge of everything.

 

23:91 God has never had a child. Nor is there any god beside Him- if there were, each god would have taken his creation aside and tried to overcome the others. May God be exalted above what they describe!

 

21:22 If there had been in the heavens or earth any gods but Him, both heavens and earth would be in ruins: God, Lord of the Throne, is far above the things they say:

 

Those verses are similar to the claims made by many gods prior to the Islamic gods. To the back of the line you go.

 

 

For unbelievers it is a punishment for believers it is a test, HOW?

 

When distaster strikes on unbelievers and they die, there is no go back to earth, no possibility to regret for their deeds, while in case when distater strikes believers, those who die are martyrs and go to paradise, the difference between the death of beleiver and unbeliever is when soul is separated from the body, Angel of death separates soul of unbeliever with much pain to unbliever, but when angel of death take the soul of a believer he takes it easy, without pain, and believer goes to Paradise. while those believers who are still aliive after distatser, they shall be patient and they will get reward from God on the day of judgment for that, while unbeliever will not get reward if they still alive and be patient after that.

 

So in the case of Japanese tsunami , we shall look for their deeds, and it was Shirk(setting partners aside of God, beacuse when you worship Buddha statues, you are commiting a shrik, so in that case japanese tzunami is probably punishment.

So tell us then, when the tsunami swept over Aceh, a largely Muslim nation, who was being punished and who was being tested? As you speak with such authority on the Islamic gods, why the need to slaughter so many Muslims? Wouldn't it have made sense for the gods to mass slaughter... oh, I don't know... Christians and Jews as a sign of gods favoring Muslims?

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Those verses are similar to the claims made by many gods prior to the Islamic gods. To the back of the line you go.

 

 

 

So tell us then, when the tsunami swept over Aceh, a largely Muslim nation, who was being punished and who was being tested? As you speak with such authority on the Islamic gods, why the need to slaughter so many Muslims? Wouldn't it have made sense for the gods to mass slaughter... oh, I don't know... Christians and Jews as a sign of gods favoring Muslims?

 

 

 

Those verses are similar to the claims made by many gods prior to the Islamic gods. To the back of the line you go

 

wich gods, did they sent any books or messengers to people to guide them to the right path?

 

 

So tell us then, when the tsunami swept over Aceh, a largely Muslim nation, who was being punished and who was being tested? As you speak with such authority on the Islamic gods, why the need to slaughter so many Muslims? Wouldn't it have made sense for the gods to mass slaughter... oh, I don't know... Christians and Jews as a sign of gods favoring Muslims?

 

yes it can be punishment, if you have muslim name Muhammed or Ahmed it does not me that you are safe from God's punishment if you deserve it.

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wich gods, did they sent any books or messengers to people to guide them to the right path?

Yes, of course.

 

 

 

 

yes it can be punishment, if you have muslim name Muhammed or Ahmed it does not me that you are safe from God's punishment if you deserve it.

Why do you think that children swept away in the Aceh floods deserved such a death?

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Yes, of course.

 

Why do you think that children swept away in the Aceh floods deserved such a death?

 

Yes, of course.

 

tell us, what is the book they revealed, what messenegers did they sent?

 

 

Why do you think that children swept away in the Aceh floods deserved such a death?

 

i let prophet Muhammed explain that

 

Allah's mercy on dead children and their parents

 

58) Narrated some companions of the Prophet (pbuh) that they heard the Prophet (pbuh) saying: On the Day of Resurrection, it would be said to the children: Get into Paradise. The Prophet (pbuh) said: They will say: O Lord! (We shall not enter Paradise unless our fathers and mothers enter (with us). The Prophet (pbuh) added: They will be brought. Allah will say: What is the matter that they are reluctant to go to Paradise? The children will say: But what about our fathers and mothers! Allah will say: Enter Paradise you and your parents.

(This Hadith is sound and related with Musnad of Ahmad)

 

The problem is not the death, the problem is what will happen after the death, death is only door to Hearafter, life after death, wich is never ending life.

So what is the problem if children die and go to paradise, and maybe even their parents go to paradise also with them. But problem can be,when those children maybe grow old here on earth and they become atheists, God haters, non-believers and die as non-believers, then that is a real catastrophy.

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Difference between the death of non-believer and muslim believer

 

 

God said in quran:

 

Say: "The Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls: then shall you be brought back to your Lord. (32:11)

If you could see, when the angels take the souls of the unbelievers (at death), how they smite their faces and their backs, saying: taste the penalty of the blazing fire. Because of the deeds which your own hands sent forth: For God is never unjust to his servants. (8:50-51)

 

The Hadith of the Prophet about extracting the soul from the flesh of bad people is summarized as follows: Al-Baraa'Ibn 'Azib narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said:

If an unbelieving servant is more concerned with the worldly life than he is about the other life, tarfaced angels descend from the sky. These angels, who are carrying bad smelling fragrance, sit in near proximity tot he dying unbeliever. Then the Angel of Death descends and places himself near the head of the unbeliever. The Angel of Death says: 'O bad soul! Come out to Allah's curse and anger.' The Prophet (p) said: The soul disperses in the dying person's body. The Angel of Death grabs the soul like a sufud (a piece of metal stuck in wet wool). The Angel of Death takes the soul without letting it stay in his hand for even an instance. Then the angels put a rough garment that smells bad on the deceased's soul. The soul comes out having a very foul smell.

 

For those who are good, the Quran informs us that the extraction and pulling out the soul from flesh is very easy. The dying person will not feel the pain from the removal of the soul from his body. It will be as easy as pulling a strand of hair out of some dough. The Hadith of the Prophet (p) narrated by Al-Baraa'Ibn 'Azib states the following:

 

If the believing servant refrains from coverting material things in his temporal life and desires the hereafter, white-faced angels descend from the sky. Their faces shine as brightly as the sun. They carry with them funeral garb and hanut (fragrance) from Heavan. They sit in near proximity to the dying person. The Angel of Death (may Allah bless him) comes and sits near the dying person's head, saying: O good soul, come out to Allah's mercy and forgiveness.

The Prophet (p) said, The soul comes out like a drop of water being poured out. Then the Angel takes the soul, without letting it stand in his hand; releases it like a blink. The other angels take the soul and clothe it in funeral gard and hanut. From that soul comes the best smell, one resembling the best musk on earth.

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tell us, what is the book they revealed, what messenegers did they sent?

Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon

 

 

 

 

i let prophet Muhammed explain that

 

Allah's mercy on dead children and their parents

 

58) Narrated some companions of the Prophet (pbuh) that they heard the Prophet (pbuh) saying: On the Day of Resurrection, it would be said to the children: Get into Paradise. The Prophet (pbuh) said: They will say: O Lord! (We shall not enter Paradise unless our fathers and mothers enter (with us). The Prophet (pbuh) added: They will be brought. Allah will say: What is the matter that they are reluctant to go to Paradise? The children will say: But what about our fathers and mothers! Allah will say: Enter Paradise you and your parents.

(This Hadith is sound and related with Musnad of Ahmad)

 

The problem is not the death, the problem is what will happen after the death, death is only door to Hearafter, life after death, wich is never ending life.

So what is the problem if children die and go to paradise, and maybe even their parents go to paradise also with them. But problem can be,when those children maybe grow old here on earth and they become atheists, God haters, non-believers and die as non-believers, then that is a real catastrophy.

Ah, I see. So it appears that you believe it was acceptable, even a "blessing" that children in Aceh died in horrible ways. Would that blessing also apply to children who are murdered as the result of Muslim suicide bombers?

 

This is the issue I have with such an ideology that glorifies death. Suicide in the name of religion is not suicide, it's martyrdom. The religious perception is that the self-inflicted martyrdom used in the act of destroying innocents is doing gods work. I think it is very obvious that such a perspective provides an allowance for one to be dragged back to medieval thinking, whether that be due to the inherent dynamics of the ideology or the conscious desire of its adherents (a lot of the former, a little of the latter I think). That masses of people want to live under such strictures is astonishing perhaps but those adherents are forming a line and waiting to snuff out lives. There's this dynamic of self-decption that goes hand in hand with most of the ancient religious beliefs vs. modern reality, and for the most part such deceptions are harmless.

 

Nature has preprogrammed successful animals with a desire to survive, and once you add our ability to have a sentient perception of death, you have a formula for a more deep seated fear (at least, one that can be expressed by doing something more than just fleeing, like all other animals do). I think these martyr-murderers have squelched the issue of self-preservation (via their religion, which deceives them via a promise that cannot ever be proven to exist, i.e., paradise) and they are very much aware that being blown to bits pretty much snaps off the light switch with no time to register the fact that one is in pain or dead (academic argument, that last bit). Without getting into a theistic brawl, it is this aspect of one particular theism, to successfully implant a goal without proof or evidence of any kind, that gives rise to the endless chain of death its adherents are amazingly willing to inflict upon one another.

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Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon

 

Ah, I see. So it appears that you believe it was acceptable, even a "blessing" that children in Aceh died in horrible ways. Would that blessing also apply to children who are murdered as the result of Muslim suicide bombers?

 

 

Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon

 

what did he preached, did he preformed any miracles as evidence of his prophethood?

 

 

Ah, I see. So it appears that you believe it was acceptable, even a "blessing" that children in Aceh died in horrible ways. Would that blessing also apply to children who are murdered as the result of Muslim suicide bombers?

 

if muslim suicide bomber kill a child, child would probably go to paradise with Mercy of God, and those suicide bombers would probably go to Hell.

 

Suicide in Islam i strongly forbiden, and God punish with hell those who commit suicide.

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what did he preached, did he preformed any miracles as evidence of his prophethood?

As with most "prophets", he claimed a special relationship with the Christian god. His Prophethood... Prophet'ness... whatever was confirmed with golden plates bearing a history of Christian American civilizations. Prophets come and prophets go but salesmen live forever.

 

 

 

 

if muslim suicide bomber kill a child, child would probably go to paradise with Mercy of God, and those suicide bombers would probably go to Hell.

Unfortunately, people will hope to convince themselves of that, thus, providing an allowance for that madness to continue.

 

Suicide in Islam i strongly forbiden, and God punish with hell those who commit suicide.

Actually, I don't believe that's true. There is a core component of religious doctrine that devalues life; life tends to be cheap because the adherent's believe that life continues after death; that there are rewards for martyrdom and that life is replaceable able by the gods. There is an allowance for killing because you are "sending the person to a "better place" and an allowance for being the victim because there are rewards for being martyred. Most of stand in shocked disbelief at the carnage that muslims are so willing to inflict on themselves and others. Or, at least we used to be shocked. Now we just count the bodies.

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Ah, I see. So it appears that you believe it was acceptable, even a "blessing" that children in Aceh died in horrible ways. Would that blessing also apply to children who are murdered as the result of Muslim suicide bombers?

 

it seems fair and balanced, the Islamic view for those who kills innocents, the oppressors will be punished in the second life, while the oppressed or highly tested people will be honoerd and compensated.

 

i like to know your opinion on the former USSR (i don't know you will call it an atheist or only a non-believer regiem) that killed 10s of millions of his own people for no fair reason, for example at the period of the atheist (or non beliver) Stalin he killed 17,000,000 innocent souls (children/young/old/ men/women) how can you see the fair compunsatin for that??

 

i like to know the same for the compined (christian/atheist) USA 10 years seige then the illigal invasion and the illegal occupation to Iraq that led to 1,000,000s of innocient killings (although it was not by suicide 2 kg bombers but by the 9 ton bombs, exhasted uranium , white phosphor, the pre-paid killers flocks, black water .....etc.)?? how can you see the fair compunsatin for that??

 

can you compare between your question and mine quantitative and qualitative?

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it seems fair and balanced, the Islamic view for those who kills innocents, the oppressors will be punished in the second life, while the oppressed or highly tested people will be honoerd and compensated.

 

i like to know your opinion on the former USSR (i don't know you will call it an atheist or only a non-believer regiem) that killed 10s of millions of his own people for no fair reason, for example at the period of the atheist (or non beliver) Stalin he killed 17,000,000 innocent souls (children/young/old/ men/women) how can you see the fair compunsatin for that??

 

i like to know the same for the compined (christian/atheist) USA 10 years seige then the illigal invasion and the illegal occupation to Iraq that led to 1,000,000s of innocient killings (although it was not by suicide 2 kg bombers but by the 9 ton bombs, exhasted uranium , white phosphor, the pre-paid killers flocks, black water .....etc.)?? how can you see the fair compunsatin for that??

 

can you compare between your question and mine quantitative and qualitative?

 

I know Holly can handle this - I just get sooo incredibly angry when I see people writing stuff like this.

 

How can a Muslim really believe that killing 1000's of children in earthquakes, tsunamis or by famine is "fair and balanced"???

 

Not by humans, but an "all-merciful" god.

 

It is not the Muslim god or the Hindu god or the Rastafarian god punishing me in an afterlife, but Muslims, humans, trying to kill me today, here and now, which annoys me somewhat.

 

What does a guy like Stalin have to do with a god? If you use numbers, get them right. "Stalin is responsible for the death of 17 million Russians, but only half a million were killed by his order. Khomeini sent children to die in the war against Iraq, but it was a war, so they are not counted here." But if you are right and there is only one god then guess who is responsible for ALL those deaths?

 

Where do you get your millions of people killed in Iraq??? Were they killed by a god or other humans? Were these other humans only "christian/atheist" as you claim or were there Muslims too, because there are almost as many Muslims in the USA as there are atheists?

 

How can anyone be so cold-blooded and demand a comparison between killings of humans on a "qualitative" basis? Are you even human?

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I know Holly can handle this - I just get sooo incredibly angry when I see people writing stuff like this.

 

How can a Muslim really believe that killing 1000's of children in earthquakes, tsunamis or by famine is "fair and balanced"???

 

Not by humans, but an "all-merciful" god.

 

It is not the Muslim god or the Hindu god or the Rastafarian god punishing me in an afterlife, but Muslims, humans, trying to kill me today, here and now, which annoys me somewhat.

 

What does a guy like Stalin have to do with a god? If you use numbers, get them right. "Stalin is responsible for the death of 17 million Russians, but only half a million were killed by his order. Khomeini sent children to die in the war against Iraq, but it was a war, so they are not counted here." But if you are right and there is only one god then guess who is responsible for ALL those deaths?

 

Where do you get your millions of people killed in Iraq??? Were they killed by a god or other humans? Were these other humans only "christian/atheist" as you claim or were there Muslims too, because there are almost as many Muslims in the USA as there are atheists?

 

How can anyone be so cold-blooded and demand a comparison between killings of humans on a "qualitative" basis? Are you even human?

 

you atheists have an intresting caracteristic, that is to bring paradise here on earth, you want here paradise on this earth, without pain, distatsers death and son on and on, but that is paradise after death.

 

God says in quran:

 

2:214 Or did you expect that you would enter Paradise, while the example of those who were before you came to you; they were stricken with adversity and hardship, and they were shaken until the messenger and those who believed with him said: "When is God's victory" Yes indeed, God's victory is near.

 

3:142 Or did you think that you would enter Paradise without God knowing those who would strive amongst you and knowing those who are patient

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you atheists have an intresting caracteristic, that is to bring paradise here on earth, you want here paradise on this earth, without pain, distatsers death and son on and on, but that is paradise after death.

 

God says in quran:

 

2:214 Or did you expect that you would enter Paradise, while the example of those who were before you came to you; they were stricken with adversity and hardship, and they were shaken until the messenger and those who believed with him said: "When is God's victory" Yes indeed, God's victory is near.

 

3:142 Or did you think that you would enter Paradise without God knowing those who would strive amongst you and knowing those who are patient

 

You don't understand a word I am saying.

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You don't understand a word I am saying.

 

did you read quran :D

 

did you ever see a commentators commenting a book while they never read it?

 

can you imagine a person commenting whole movie wihtout seeing it? that is crazy, it is similar to you atheists, you like to comment Islam and quran, and you probably never touched it not to say you read it or some pages maybe.

 

you see, i try to read atheistic stuff and christian stuff so i am prepared for discussion, and you atheists dont even know what we muslims have and you dare to discuss with us about Islam.

 

You as a profesional debator, should come to me and say , i have read whole quran, and i think that quran is not from God beacuse of that and that, giving me evidence why quran is not from God. Not coming to me saying, you dont know, shut up, bla bla bla -_-

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How can anyone be so cold-blooded and demand a comparison between killings of humans on a "qualitative" basis? Are you even human?

 

God who gives you life , can even take it from you if he want , whenever he want, while you sleeping, standing, sitting, eating, sitting on toilet chair, and nobody could stop Him or bring him to the court for that.

 

So if God gives life then he can take it from the people, it is not up to you to command God what he shall do, you can not command Obama to clean your shoes and you expect to command God who is lord of universe. come on man... :glare:

 

God says:

 

45:26 ...It is God who gives you life, then causes you to die, and then He gathers you all to the Day of Resurrection of which there is no doubt, but most of the people do not know.

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How can a Muslim really believe that killing 1000's of children in earthquakes, tsunamis or by famine is "fair and balanced"???

because we don't believe in one life, we believe in a test life (which should contain difficulties) and another eternal life where the compensation, and the complete justice will be accomplished.

 

Not by humans, but an "all-merciful" god.

the mercy have a wider view,

difficulties are the test questions, it test the human patience and reaction. and test the others' help and integrity, that will erase ones bad deeds and increase his good deeds. that's real mercy if you believe in the second life.

it's also a fair pre-warned punishment for a specific kind of sins, diseases is attached to illegal sex, perishing a community when the sex level exaggerate the limits prescribed by Allah.

 

Example:

i believe no one knows exactly what/where is the origin of AIDS virus? some tells it transferred from a tribe in middle Africa due to bad practices or from a kind of monkeys or whatever (which i don't agree on)....now if Allah perished that tribe (like Lot people or Pompeii) isn't that considered a real mercy for the others in the world. that may save the USA which have 1.5 million proven cases and almost the same non-proven!!!! that will be a serious lesson for the others to stop these kinds of sins to save themselves.

 

It is not the Muslim god or the Hindu god or the Rastafarian god punishing me in an afterlife, but Muslims, humans, trying to kill me today, here and now, which annoys me somewhat.

 

if you can't see the USA and allies armies (in 100,000s with the most advanced destructive weapons) attacks the Moslems in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan 1990s, Libya 1980s, Somalia 1990s, paid the Christian Ethiopia to wag another war on Somalia in 2000s,....... while all what you can see few individual reactions magnified by MEDIA (which is not Islamic),,,,,,, you may need to review your justice concepts.

 

What does a guy like Stalin have to do with a god? If you use numbers, get them right. "Stalin is responsible for the death of 17 million Russians, but only half a million were killed by his order.

 

my question was about your justice concept here, is it done for Stalin who killed Millions/ caused millions to be handicapped/ forced transfer millions/.....ETC won't he pay a penny for each case?

 

Where do you get your millions of people killed in Iraq???

 

you are right, they may be only 100,000s but guess what the occupying forces, USA, are the responsible to provide us with the real numbers, why they didn't??

guess what too, the occupying forces are the only responsible for security in the occupied land. and so they are responsible for every single casuality in Iraq if they killed it with the 9 ton bombs or allowed one sect to do so in the other.

 

Were these other humans only "Christian/atheist" as you claim or were there Muslims too, because there are almost as many Muslims in the USA as there are atheists?

 

the USA life style/laws are atheist systems, your education system is an Atheist system, it encourages every atheist value. as i know it's not christian nor Islamic.

 

How can anyone be so cold-blooded and demand a comparison between killings of humans on a "qualitative" basis? Are you even human?

 

i didn't get your point, do you mean those who died in ABU-GHurayb/Goantanamo because of torturing??

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because we don't believe in one life, we believe in a test life (which should contain difficulties) and another eternal life where the compensation, and the complete justice will be accomplished.

 

the mercy have a wider view,

 

Example:

i believe no one knows exactly what/where is the origin of AIDS virus? some tells it transferred from a tribe in middle Africa due to bad practices or from a kind of monkeys or whatever (which i don't agree on)....now if

 

if you can't see the USA and allies armies (in 100,000s with the most advanced destructive weapons) attacks the Moslems in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan 1990s, Libya 1980s, Somalia 1990s, paid the Christian Ethiopia to

 

my question was about your justice concept here, is it done for Stalin who killed Millions/ caused millions to be handicapped/ forced transfer millions/.....ETC won't he pay a penny for each case?

 

you are right, they may be only 100,000s but guess what the occupying forces, USA, are the responsible to provide us with the real numbers, why they didn't??

 

the USA life style/laws are atheist systems, your education system is an Atheist system, it encourages every atheist value. as i know it's not christian nor Islamic.

 

i didn't get your point, do you mean those who died in ABU-GHurayb/Goantanamo because of torturing??

 

 

You will never understand reality.

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You will never understand reality.

 

which is!!

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which is!!

 

Do you really see a point in my explaining it?

 

Killing, no matter by whom, is wrong. There is only one single exception: self defense or in defense of a threat to your family.

A "test life" is a morally corrupt concept.

Logics is superior to nonsense.

A god with the attribute all-knowing (omniscience) does not require tests.

A god with the attribute all-merciful does not require tests.

A god arbitrarily killing Christians, Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Jews, Zoroastrians, Rastafarians, ...... does not deserve the attribute all-merciful.

The dead people in Haiti didn't even know the name Allah. How is that "a fair pre-warned punishment"?

 

What "specific kind of sins" deserves the death sentence? Is Allah jealous of human sex? Is sex the only thing on a gods mind??? Are you obsessed with this sex thing? What kind of "illegal sex" does a 9-year old have, to make it ok to kill this child?

 

You are a simple-minded individual who thinks a "sin" will be punished. And if your god does not punish it, well, then humans need to help out and punish this "sin" themselves.

 

You say that the US attacked Iraq. But you forget to mention why the US attacked Iraq. You forget to mention that a Muslim, Saddam Hussein, used the military power of his country to attack another Muslim country, Kuwait. Why are you forgetting this? Does this embarrass you? Which Muslim country stopped and punished Saddam Hussein when he killed 1000's of Muslims in his own country? Not one. But when the United Nations intervene you start crying.

 

Where is your justice concept? You are so sick in your head that you bring up Stalin without understanding the history. You don't understand anything. You don't understand atheists - but you hate them. You don't even know what an atheist is - but you hate them. You hate anything and everything that thinks differently than you. Because you don't think - you submit and follow.

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you atheists have an intresting caracteristic, that is to bring paradise here on earth, you want here paradise on this earth, without pain, distatsers death and son on and on, but that is paradise after death.

 

God says in quran:

 

2:214 Or did you expect that you would enter Paradise, while the example of those who were before you came to you; they were stricken with adversity and hardship, and they were shaken until the messenger and those who believed with him said: "When is God's victory" Yes indeed, God's victory is near.

 

3:142 Or did you think that you would enter Paradise without God knowing those who would strive amongst you and knowing those who are patient

What is troubling with such a worldview is the allowance for brutality that characterizes muslim history. The view that life is cheap and disposable is a prescription for violence that destroys life. That dynamic is evident with the endless mass murders we see across the muslim world, all committed by those who find a holy mandate in the acts of insanity.

 

Rational people, however, have an excuse for their disagreement. They do not posit an authority granted them by omnipotent gods who bears the self assumed responsibility for informing them on who is to be “martyred” and who will receive rewards in some imagined afterlife for holy mass murder. In contrast, those who propose they are the bearers (and enforcers) of ill-defined moral absolutes do so from the conviction that those “moral absolutes” actually have been revealed by the gods. The fact that they disagree so widely on what those absolutes actually are, reflect negatively on their reality and it certainly reflects poorly on the competence of the revealer.

 

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What is troubling with such a worldview is the allowance for brutality that characterizes muslim history. The view that life is cheap and disposable is a prescription for violence that destroys life. That dynamic is evident with the endless mass murders we see across the muslim world, all committed by those who find a holy mandate in the acts of insanity.

 

whaaaaaaaaat are you talking about???? what mass murders in muslim world, do you smoke drugs or whaaaat???

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