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[at]Aligarr, I don't need linns, I need links even if they are about Tsunami hitting Japan, unrest in Syria, Egypt,etc. To remind you, many pictures and videos of Tsunami hitting Japan, unrest in Syria, Egypt were available and now available in almost all the newspaper sites.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-17307040

http://www.bbc.co.uk...acific-12725646

http://www.bbc.co.uk...acific-12709850

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-17926432

 

http://news.sky.com/...000-feared-dead

http://news.sky.com/...es-up-in-canada

http://news.sky.com/...eads-towards-us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBGROIKdsOs

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-17969164

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-16277206

http://news.sky.com/...-unrest-spreads

http://www.guardian....dleeast-tunisia

 

http://www.skynews.c...666&vId=3356109

http://news.sky.com/...k-end-to-unrest

http://www.guardian....ain-unrest-live

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-17194593

..........................................................................And millions of other results of these.

 

So, please show the many pictures and videos proving that she attacked the police first if you are truthful. I am going by your own argument. And the whole world did not carry out any investigation there to prove that she attacked first. So, stop making these pointless comments or rather the outright lies. Also, she was not sexually harassed in front of public, they took her in a storage room to carry out the heinous acts. The police gave no evidence that she was safe and not sexually harassed there even though it is the responsibility of any sane human.

 

This is the last time I am asking to give links which shows detailed analysis about this incidence. If you are unable to do so, please do not post. We do not need such despicable liar who can not show a single link carrying out detailed analysis to prove the 'facts.' The fact that the Police took her first on their own vehicle to the police station , now the burden of proof lies on them to prove that this woman was not abused. And according to them she attacked first, so they are accusing her first. As a result they will have to prove first that she attacked first with detailed analysis, such as picture, video evidence.

 

 

No more posts here without links of all the sources showing detailed analysis (with videos, pictures as per your argument) of the incidence proving her guilty.

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What proof do you have that she purposely headbutted the police officer Aligarr? Show me the proof that she did that maliciously and on purpose. You can't. Do you know that the back of one's head is far harder and stronger than simple cartilage like the nose? It takes very little force to break someone's nose and loosen teeth. So don't go putting words in my mouth. All I am saying is that you need to show proof as the only side that has released any form of evidence that is permissible by trial is the young Muslim woman in question.

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I'll tell you what you need saracen21C ....you NEED to take an aspirin .

 

Oh btw Nightingale , you now admit that SHE DID INFACT HEAD-BUTT the policewoman ....so NOW , it's a matter of whether it was accidental ????

 

How do you know nightingale ? did you read something somewhere ? And why should you believe that ? Did you all of a sudden gain confidence in news reports ?

 

This woman is a LIAR .She was NOT sexually harrassed , she set out to break the law and confront the police , and inm the process initiated violence against the police who returned it ..

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So you were there??? Wow, I didn't know we had an eye-witness to the situation. Sorry for doubting you....

 

I never said she didn't hit the police woman with her head. She ADMITS it in that video if you watch it. Just as she admits she had continued to wear her niqab after being fined for it before. Because she felt doing so was honoring her religion. The socialist government of that city also admits (according to their own citizens) to wanting to take rights away from Muslims because they don't conform to what the Belgian people say they should conform to.

 

Here in the US, that would cause huge problems if a mayor or governor came out and said that. Remember back to the Civil Rights movement? How did that work out? By the way, by saying that she is wrong for violating this law, you are essentially saying you would side with the redneck racists who fought against the Civil Rights movement, because they had the law on their side. It's a good thing justice prevailed there.

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WATCH YOUR MOUTH SARACEN21stC , YOU ARE RUDE AND DISRESPECTFULL AND YOU ARE ABUSING YOUR AUTHORITY HERE .

HOW DARE YOU THREATEN ME AND DEMAND I POST LINKS . THAT IS NOT A RULE HERE .

 

If you do not possess the intelligence to research and get information without going to your CHOSEN websites for "links "

to prove things that YOU YOURSELF can not prove with FACTS other than your links ....THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE .

 

So you had better calm down or I will complain to the owners of this blog regarding your despicable behavior and false accusations .

If you dont like what I have to say , DONT READ MY POSTS .

Is this how you win your arguments ? WITH THREATS ?

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I still want to know if Aligarr is insinuating he'd be on the side of the Jim Crow laws here in the US and against the Civil Rights Movement, since he is saying that by her going against this ban she is definitely breaking the law and it is all her fault and she lies and she's horrible and everything else.

 

As for the not needing links to believe something...I'd be tempted to ask where you get your faith from Aligarr. Generally on the internet, you provide links to prove your case, as otherwise it is just blabbering and opinion. And there's no need to shout either Aligarr.

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  • And Nightingasle , dont go putting words in my mouth with such a poor analogy of the civil rights movement in the US . Ypou havde no idea what I feel about that , and your assiumptions are groundless . Not to mention one has nothing to do with the other .You dont like my words therefore yoy attack with accusations just like saracen21stC .
  • Is this a common or practiced form of behavior and verbal attack ?

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That's right saracen Soldier , I'm not the one making demands , nor am I the one issuing threats , nor am I the one making insulting accusations . Your reply is what I'd expect of you . Don't go trying to turn this around on me , when you know that Saracen21stC is out of line .

You think it hilarious ? Good , that suits you well . Have a good laugh .

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I would like to know how you think I am attacking you?

 

Now, onto how this IS similar to the US Civil Rights movement. Both instances had to do with persecution and denial of rights based off differences (either racial or religious) and bigotry. Both groups are/were the subject of threats and violence against them, without justification. Both groups were seen as subhuman by their oppressors (and if you doubt that, go to some of the websites that do 'discuss' this case...several of the rabid anti-Islamic sites out there support the government and even outright condone the thought of murder, as long as it is against Muslims).

 

There are differences, but this IS a civil rights issue. It is attempting to strip away the dignity of a group of people for their religious beliefs, also similar to how Hitler used yellow stars for the Jews during WW2. You have no idea what kind of disrespect it offers to a Muslim woman when they try to completely uncover her (one of the sites that goes on to attack her states the police demanded not just unveiling but removal of all head covering). They know the insult that means to Muslims and they take pride in offering it apparently.

 

Just as you seem to be with your posturing. Your oh so bruised ego which causes you to lash out and threaten people.

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uh oh , here comes the usual comparisons to hitler etc. btw , I threaten no one , your assoociate saracen21st C is the one issuing threats . And you nightingale become his parrot .

Meanwhile at the heart of your threats and insults is the FACT , that you oppose the burqa ban in Belgium , and you sympathize with those who confront the people of Belgium and the Law . This is obvious . So anyone who disagrees with you is the bad guy . And now you too engage in false accusastion , Who did I threaten ?

Saracen21stC , falsely accuses , threatens , insults and lies ....why ? because I disagree ...and now you call me the offender ? LOL....what a circus act this is ! You are obviously against the burqa ban in Belgium and will go to any legnths to criticize those who disagree , even at the cost of making yourselves sound ridiculous .

It is not my ego that is bruised , you are incapable of doing that , for it is not a matter of ego, but one of gullibility on your part . You search for a website with sympathetic views , cut and paste them and then create a link which you demand everyone should believe ....this is nonsense

Yes there are "bruised egos" here , and they are yours and saracen21stC , so you lash out with false accusation, insult and threats.

As far as "links ' go , I suppose if I provided a link that claimed the Earth was flat , THAT would be considered as "proof " that the Earth is not round . You are therefore succeptible and gullible to any such link , based soley on the supoosition , that if it is a link it must be true ....how simplistic is that ?

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...and your claim that there are websites that condone "the thoughts of murder of muslims " , and I have no doubts that such websites exist , just as there are website that promote the same against christians jews and hindus . Does the fact that they exist and that one can create a link to them , make them all the more credible ? If I am to follow your logic , then the answer is Yes , you believe them and what they say , because they exist and you can link to them . This only proves that you are easily lead .

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As far as I know, the police repots are always cooked in backstages in a way you could not find a loophole so that it can be easily digested my people through media. As such, I am not surprised to see you Aligarr believing them. However, I am surprised to see you defending them so badly.

 

What makes you believe that the woman wearing Burqa is a liar?

 

There are two different stories and most people believe the victim.

 

Let’s agree that the woman breach the law and went out fully covering, she could just be fined like before and the matter will be resolved. Likewise, if I breach the traffic law and cross the red light and thereafter stopped by a police man. The police man even he knows that I deliberately cross the red light he will implement the law and fine me that’s all. Yet, by taking her to the police station and order her to remove her clothes this is totally unacceptable and I guess that by doing such act they just would like to set her as an example for those who wear Burqa and Niqab. The statement of (“We Will Show You Things Worse Than Guantanamoled me to go far with my thinking and guess that they may have done the same before, and by such act they want to enforce the law by fear i.e. spreading the fear between the women who dare to wear Burqa and Niqab.

 

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HOW DARE YOU THREATEN ME AND DEMAND I POST LINKS . THAT IS NOT A RULE HERE .

 

That is indeed the rule here. And I am not surprised that this so called fact getter could not even find the rules. He lies and creates rules by himself.

 

9. Quoting article/poem/story without mentioning source/author

 

Source: http://www.gawaher.c...tion=boardrules

 

Also, if someone can not provide the source of their allegations, he/she is undoubtedly a liar

 

If you do not possess the intelligence to research and get information without going to your CHOSEN websites for "links "

to prove things that YOU YOURSELF can not prove with FACTS other than your links ....THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE .

 

If you blame Muslims and can not provide detailed analysis, that's your problem. You are attacking Muslims.

 

So you had better calm down or I will complain to the owners of this blog regarding your despicable behavior and false accusations .

If you dont like what I have to say , DONT READ MY POSTS .

Is this how you win your arguments ? WITH THREATS ?

 

First of all this is not a blog, this a forum. So, I don't care whether you threaten me to complain about me to a blog owner. lol. Do not even care what a liar like you say anything here. If you can not give evidence for blaming Muslims, just do not post and waste resource of the Forum, and break it's rules.

 

  • And Nightingasle , dont go putting words in my mouth with such a poor analogy of the civil rights movement in the US . Ypou havde no idea what I feel about that , and your assiumptions are groundless . Not to mention one has nothing to do with the other .You dont like my words therefore yoy attack with accusations just like saracen21stC .

 

And no one with the name Nightingasle comes here. Well, a great researcher's vintage performance is this!!!

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[at]Muslims, Do not waste your time with this guy who openly supports punishing Muslims just because they wear Burkha+ Niqab. He is a vile supporter of 'laws' which oppress Muslims in the West.

 

And this guy is the same great researcher who could not even distinguish between SaracenSoldier, and Saracen21stC. One of us had to remind him, he could not even spot it himself that two are different users even though there are so many ways to distinguish between two users.

 

This guy has broken the rules:

 

6. Supporting un-Islamic Behavior

 

8. Disrespecting a forum official

 

9. Quoting article/poem/story without mentioning source/author

 

10. Discriminating based on race, religion, nationality

 

20. Showing no interest in learning about Islam, or consistently attacking Muslims/Islam

 

Source: http://www.gawaher.c...tion=boardrules

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I dont assume a woman wearing a burqa is a liar . After invedtigating world and belgian newspapers going back to April 2011 , I found no story about any woman being " arrested beaten and sexually harrassed " by Belgian police . There is however a story of a woman who when asked to remove full face cover ONLY , became beligerant and head butted policewoman breaking her nose and knocking out a few teeth , this woman was subsequently injured in the melee that she caused and was brought to a hospital with a minor concussion , along with the policewoman .Both were treated and the woman in question was released . Beyond that there is nothing to be found ANYWHERE regarding any sexual harrassment or intentional beating of this woman . In addition it turns out that this woman is a Belgian national who converted to Islam , and is already known by police to have taken part in anti-burqa ban demonstrations .

The narrative first presented on this thread is only this woman's version . There is no verification , and removing head gear is not the same as " removing her clothes " . As far as what this woman claims was said to her regarding Guantanimo ...that is hearsay , and if you choose to believe her words , you are certainly free to do so .I choose NOT to beleve her allegations based on all the information ,what is there and motre importantly ,what is NOT there .

 

 

I will not accuse you of being " a filthy liar " , I will not accuse you of favoring the rape of muslim woman , I will not accuse you of sympathizuing with nazis , or being a racist in the American Civil Rights issues nor will I threaten you......like your fellow posters have done

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  • As for your rules breaking list saracen21stC , you are again abusing your authority . Everything you listed is patently FALSE .
  • I DID NOT discriminate in any way other than refusing to believe this woman's narrative.
  • I DID NOT show any disinterest in learning of Islam , I most likely know more about Islam than you do , your behavior proves that.
  • I DID NOT support ANY un-islamic behavior , that is only your presumptious and false accusation.
  • I DID NOT ..." QUOTE" ANYONE OR ANYTHING , I merely reported what can be commonly found after investigating the Belgian news blogs .


  • I DID NOT "disrespect a forum official " YOU DISRESPECTED ME BY CALLING ME A FILTHY LIAR , THREATENING ME, INSULTING ME, AND FAVORING VIOLENCE BY EXPRESSING YOUR DESIRE TO SMACK MY FACE ......AND BEING A FORUM OFFICIAL DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO INSULT WITH IMPUNITY ANOTHER MEMBER OF THIS FORUM FOR SIMPLY DISAGREEING .

ALL of your criticism is based not on the breaking of any rules by me , I have read them , but more out of your own personal animus towards me for disagreeing . Perhaps YOU should read the rules again .

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I dont assume a woman wearing a burqa is a liar . After invedtigating world and belgian newspapers going back to April 2011 , I found no story about any woman being " arrested beaten and sexually harrassed " by Belgian police . There is however a story of a woman who when asked to remove full face cover ONLY , became beligerant and head butted policewoman breaking her nose and knocking out a few teeth , this woman was subsequently injured in the melee that she caused and was brought to a hospital with a minor concussion , along with the policewoman .Both were treated and the woman in question was released . Beyond that there is nothing to be found ANYWHERE regarding any sexual harrassment or intentional beating of this woman . In addition it turns out that this woman is a Belgian national who converted to Islam , and is already known by police to have taken part in anti-burqa ban demonstrations .

The narrative first presented on this thread is only this woman's version . There is no verification , and removing head gear is not the same as " removing her clothes " . As far as what this woman claims was said to her regarding Guantanimo ...that is hearsay , and if you choose to believe her words , you are certainly free to do so .I choose NOT to beleve her allegations based on all the information ,what is there and motre importantly ,what is NOT there .

 

 

I will not accuse you of being " a filthy liar " , I will not accuse you of favoring the rape of muslim woman , I will not accuse you of sympathizuing with nazis , or being a racist in the American Civil Rights issues nor will I threaten you......like your fellow posters have done

 

First off, I never accused you of sympathizing with Nazis, I merely pointed out that the people that are so strident in their beliefs of her being the only one guilty of anything sound very much like those that did support Hitler at the time. I daresay I know a lot more about the Weimar Republic and the rise of the National Socialists than you do Aligarr, as I have studied it from both a German perspective and an outsider's perspective without bias. (I focused on Germany from the 16th to the late 20th Centuries for over a year of study with one of my history professors.)

 

Now, you mention that she had taken part in anti-burqa demonstrations which leads you to believe that she is simply guilty. Okay, then please answer this. Belgium is supposed to be a freedom-loving country is it not? (I've been there no less than 7 times in the past 12 years so I would say it is.) It is supposed to be a democracy of sorts, is it not? In democracies, citizens are supposed to be granted the right to petition a government, especially when their rights are on the line. Most citizens tend to do that in demonstrations and protests (the US has tons of them every year for example). So how is the fact that she took part in those demonstrations a bad thing???

 

Then you seem to have a problem with the fact that she is a Belgian national who converted to Islam. Why? Does she no longer deserve to hold the rights of her Belgian citizenship then? If so, are you also saying I am not allowed to have the rights of my American or British citizenship because I decided to revert as well? Notice I am not putting words into your mouth, I am trying to ascertain why you seem to keep bringing up the point that she is a Belgian citizen who converted, as if that matters. What does matter about that is...citizens of a country have certain rights that are supposed to be respected and protected.

 

Heck, even in Saudi Arabia where the official religion is Islam, my father's beliefs are allowed and they don't take away his rights as a worker there. Yes he has to agree to publicly follow laws, but in private he is allowed to do whatever he wants basically. He's not Muslim, in fact he hates Muslims...but if a government like Saudi Arabia, which isn't a Western democracy, can grant him the right to be how he wants when he isn't harming others, then why can't the people there? And the other reason I am harsh on Belgium for this...they are the headquarters for the EU. They claim to be proponents of all human rights...

 

Lastly, everyone here (me, you, her, everyone) has admitted that this isn't the first time she's been stopped and fined for wearing niqab. Why then is this the FIRST time that she's ever become violent? Sociologically speaking, that makes absolutely no sense. We don't react that harshly as you allege she did without there being a buildup over time. So why didn't she EVER get violent before this???

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Ahhh the art of backpeddling , so far you have bit by bit admitted that it is true as regard to her headbutting the policewoman , now that she has done this before . And NO , neither you nor anyone else on this thread has admitted this before .NOR did I mention any issue as to what this woman does in private NOR DOES THE LAW IN BELGIUM ...IT SPECIFIES IN PUBLIC .

Now you jump back and forth through history , and from vcountry to country ,as your argument meanders meaninglessly to the irrelevent . I dont "allege " that she acted harshly , I said she reacted violently . As far as what she did before , in the way of violence ....THAT you do not know nor do I .[ are you saying some sort of build-up justifies violence on her part ?]

 

Finally , you HAVE put words in my mouthj , and you are now doing so again but in a more subtle manner with you presumptions as to what I think or why I say things .......how about simply taking anothers words at face value , unless something else is indicated . And by the way ,

WHY in your last sentence do you use the word " WE " ??? I have not said a word about you , my remarks have been confined to the behavior of this woman .The only time I mentioned more than one person on this thread was referring to the verbal attack I recieved for disagreeing , and that meaning YOU , Saracen Soldier and Saracen21stC . In this you all reacted the same way . And you know it .

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Actually, I DID say that she admitted that her head hit the policewoman's as she was struggling with three policemen holding her down. Why don't you actually WATCH her video? If you haven't watched it, YOU are the hypocrite and liar because you can't get truth listening to one side Aligarr.

 

I am not backpedaling at all Aligarr, nice way to twist and lie. Yes I am calling you a liar with that comment. What I am saying about no violence is this: If there is NO report of any violence before and there isn't, then there was none. Which means something happened to cause "violence" on her part. If you felt in fear for your life because people hate you for being who you are, you would struggle too when they were pinning her down. It happens in the USA too, go search for Fullerton cops beat homeless man on google.

 

The reason I don't take your words at face value because you are attacking Aligarr and putting words in my mouth. I know the fear she is likely to have felt because I've been abused and assaulted in such a way so don't tell me I have no idea what I am talking about. I also have broken a person's nose without even hardly trying to. So your claims are failing.

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As for your rules breaking list saracen21stC , you are again abusing your authority . Everything you listed is patently FALSE .

 

All of them are true. I don't need your judgement to see whether I was abusing my authority or not. That's up to the Admin. You are the one who is abusing your right to post here by constantly lying.

 

I DID NOT discriminate in any way other than refusing to believe this woman's narrative.

 

There are many many demonstrations against the government of countries by citizen. You did discriminate by constantly attacking her just because she was Muslim wearing Burkha + Niqab and against this oppressive law. You also supported anti-Islamic laws and even threatened to leave the country just because they do not accept such anti-Islamic laws. Belgium also has law preventing women with hijab from attending schools.

 

http://www.google.co...GlhSblF0ys0679A

 

I DID NOT show any disinterest in learning of Islam , I most likely know more about Islam than you do , your behavior proves that.

You have showed no interest in learning about Islam. The rest of that post is your fantasy or rather a joke. And my point from that rule was that you constantly accused her such as of lying , thus attacking a Muslim , even though you failed to provide a single credible links carrying out detailed analysis of this incidence.

 

I DID NOT support ANY un-islamic behavior , that is only your presumptious and false accusation.

 

You have supported un-Islamic behaviour many times. This thread has many such examples. You supported laws targeting Muslims, accused a Muslim sister of lying without even trying understand her. And most importantly made up stories with lies as you could not provide any credible back up. These are very un-Islamic

 

I DID NOT ..." QUOTE" ANYONE OR ANYTHING , I merely reported what can be commonly found after investigating the Belgian news blogs .

 

Even though you did not use quote feature, you did mention reports or part of reports, or even if you were reporting reports, you need to give the source of reports. And if you were reporting reports, you can never say that those are facts without providing detailed analysis. That's not rocket science that you will have to provide sources to back up your assertions. Any civilized human will understand this. Moreover, you said you investigated world, but now saying 'merely reported' from Belgian news blog. So, you have lied previously.

 

I DID NOT "disrespect a forum official "

 

You did disrespect me because I was demanding links for the detailed analysis of that situation. And that was according to your argument as you said this news was like Tsunami hitting Japan, unrest in Syria, Egypt. You did insult me by saying, .you NEED to take an aspirin and If you do not possess the intelligence to research and get information....... Even though it your duty to provide source of your allegations first. You also shouted at me 'DONT READ MY POSTS', even though your posts were directed at me and I am an official to read all posts and check them. And writing using capital letters in such way is against the forum rules. You have broken yet another rule.

 

YOU DISRESPECTED ME BY CALLING ME A FILTHY LIAR ,

 

Even though i did not use the word filthy, you are indeed a liar as there are so many evidence here. Lies really stink. That's not disrespect, but just proclaiming the truth.

 

THREATENING ME, INSULTING ME,

 

You have lied so many times in so many ways that when I exposed you it became 'threat' and 'insult' as per you.

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AND FAVORING VIOLENCE BY EXPRESSING YOUR DESIRE TO SMACK MY FACE ......

 

You are the one who favoured violence first. You said, Having said that , there is no excuse for unnecessary violence or insults towards this woman once the woman ceased to resist her arrest . This shows that you favoured some violence and insults against this women just because she was resisting her arrest for covering her body with Burqha+ Niqab. Moreover, that was matter of 'if'. Anyone, who blames a victim of sexual harassment instead of showing detailed evidence against her, indeed deserves punishment even if it is a slap on face.

 

AND BEING A FORUM OFFICIAL DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO INSULT WITH IMPUNITY ANOTHER MEMBER OF THIS FORUM FOR SIMPLY DISAGREEING .

 

No where did I attack you just because I am forum official. I would have done the same even if I was just a member . And I will do the same against anyone (Muslim or non-Muslim) who accuses a woman (Muslim or non-Muslim) of lying even though she was taken by police first inside the Police station and they did not produce evidence that she was safe inside. It is burden of Police to show that she was not abused.

 

And you did not just 'simply' disagree with us. This is the third page of thread. You constantly accused her of lying without showing no source with detailed analysis. You supported Anti-Islamic laws which punish Muslims just because they wear Burkha and Niqab. You even threatened that Muslims should leave their home countries just because they do not accept the anti-Islamic laws. So , once again you are lying. There are also so many lies of yours with no credible sources.

 

Moreover, you have made many sentences in capital letters. This is clearly against the forum rules.

 

Do not type in capital letters, unless for a word or sentence. Capital letters are regarded as 'shouting' at others.

 

Source: http://www.gawaher.c...tion=boardrules

 

ALL of your criticism is based not on the breaking of any rules by me ,

You have broken many rules as there are many proofs.

I have read them ,

Then you are doing purposefully.

but more out of your own personal animus towards me for disagreeing .

As it has been already shown here that you did many other wrong things than just disagreeing. SO, you are lying, once again.

 

Perhaps YOU should read the rules again .

 

 

I don't need moral lecture from you. I am very aware of the rules. And if you really want follow the rules, start by giving links of sources of your allegation with details (pictures, videos as per your argument like Tsunami hitting Japan, unrest in Syria, Egypt)

 

We can go back to my earlier post, http://www.gawaher.c...20#entry1261693

 

This thread is for discussing that incidence. So, no need to derail this thread with more junks.

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You are a bag of hot air . Under your icon , you claim to be a student of religion ....I suggest you are a novice and have a long , long way to go before even approaching primitive wisdom .

Do not bother me anymore with your banter . You have broken more of this forum' s rules than I have . Since now you claim ....lol...large case letters are shouting . You are just looking for an excuse Saracen21stC , and both you and I know it . I would imagine your tactics displayed here shamelessly may work well with primary school children , but they are utterly transparent with adults .

As I said from the beginning , this woman's narrative is highly suspect , and I don't believe a word of it . The burden to prove it is anythng but that ...is on you . If all you have are your " links ' from your "selected " websites ......dont waste my time or bother to reply .

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Just to point out something, well 2 things.

 

1) This woman has not pressed criminal charges against her sexual assaulters. Only a civil suit. This means there was no evidence or proof of sexual assault, something a hospital would have the expertise in determining. The hospital report shows mild concussion. If the woman was that concerned and public with her assault, criminal charges.

 

2) The video is sponsored by Shariah4Belgium, who clearly has a specific agenda of implementing Shariah law in place of the current government. One possible way to undermine the current government is creating an "example" so that the current government can seem less capable than Shariah, however Shariah is defined.

 

If someone is found guilty of sexual assault, then I will believer the woman's story. Otherwise, I personally believe the sexual assault and other stories which do not match the police report were invented for a political purpose.

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[at] Wesley, do you have any source showing detailed analysis of this incidence? If not please do not make wayward comments here based on your guess. This is a very serious issue.

 

And if someone is taken inside Police station, it is their burden to give proof that she was not abused inside. And who gave you guarantee that if a woman files a civil suit, there can't be any sexual harassment? And where is the evidence that shariah4beligium created this example to thwart the current government.? And why don't you believe that the Anti-Islamic people of Belgium are creating laws to oppress Muslims? SO, There could be possibility that they are doing this for political purpose.

http://www.google.co...GlhSblF0ys0679A

 

 

Also, why do you believe that the Polices would have included sexual harassment (stripping her naked and other activities) in their report when the accusation is against them?

 

Please explain.

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