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http://www.sultan.org/books/muslimchristianialogue.pdf

 

NOW TO THE QUESTION: WAS JESUS (pbuh) CRUCIFIED?

 

M=muslim

C=Christian

 

M. The Holy Qur’an states in Surah 4:v157 that Jesus was not

crucified: “And their (Jews) boasting: ‘we killed Messiah Jesus,

son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah,’ but they (Jews) killed him

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not, nor crucified him.” Do you still believe that he died on the

cross?

 

C. Yes, Christians believe he died and was then resurrected.

 

M. It is recorded in the Bible that nobody saw the moment he

was resurrected. They found the sepulchre empty where Jesus

was laid down and made the conclusion that he was resurrected

because the disciples and other witnesses saw him alive after the

alleged crucifixion. Could it not be possible, as the Qu’ran claims

that he didn’t die on the cross?

 

C. Where is the proof then?

 

M. Let us see passages in the Bible supporting this evidence. Do

you give more weight to what Jesus said or to hearsay of the

disciples, apostles and other witnesses?

 

C. Of course more to what Jesus said!

 

M. That is in accordance with what Jesus said in (Matthew 10:24)

“The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his

lord.”

 

C. But Jesus himself said that he would rise from the dead (Luke

24:46) and said unto them, “Thus it is written, and thus it

behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third

day.”

 

M. Suffering is often exaggerated in the Bible and termed “dead”

as Paul said (I Corinthians 15:31): “I protest by your rejoicing

which I have in Christ, I die daily” (i.e. I suffer daily). Here are

some of the proofs from the Bible:

1. On the cross Jesus beseeched God for help (Matthew 27:46)

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” And in

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Luke 22:42: Saying: “Father if thou be willing, remove this

cup from me, nevertheless not my will but Thine be done.”

(This cup is the cup of death.)

2. Jesus’s prayer not to die on the cross was accepted by God,

according to Luke, Hebrews and James. Then how could he

still die on the cross? (Luke 22:43): “And there appeared an

angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.” (Hebrews

5:7): “Who in the days of his flesh, when he, Jesus had

offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and

tears unto Him that was able to save him from death, and

was “heard” in that he feared.” It means that an angel

assured him that God would not let him die. The word

“heard” whenever it occurs in the Bible means that the

prayer was accepted.

Jesus’s prayers were “heard,” meaning that it was answered in a

positive way by God WHO SAVED HIM FROM DEATH. (James

5:16): “... The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth

much.” Jesus himself said in (Matthew 7:7.10) “Ask, and it shall

be given you, seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be

opened unto you; for every one that asketh receiveth, and he that

seeketh, findeth, and to him who knocketh it shall be opened. Or

what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give

him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?”

Question: If God, according to Jesus, definitely accepts and

answers a righteous man’s prayer, then surely Jesus’s prayers

were also answered, including the one not to die on the cross.

Was he not a chosen one of God? How could his prayer be

rejected, and he still had to die on the cross after he prayed for

safety and was informed that his prayer was “heard”? It does

not make sense. Look to the example Jesus (pbuh) uses. If a son

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asks a father for bread will he give him a stone? Definitely not!

So it is illogical to believe that God did not answer his prayer for

being saved when we all know that he was innocent and was

“heard.”

1. His legs were not broken by the Roman soldiers (John

19:32-33) “Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the

first, and of the other which was crucified with him. But

when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already,

they brake not his legs,” Can you rely on these soldiers for

pronouncing him dead?

 

C. I cannot say.

 

M. Is it not probable that they wanted to save Jesus as they

found him innocent? Even Pilate said he did not want the

blood of an innocent man on his hands and he took a bowl

of water and washed his hands symbolically off “this

innocent man’s blood” before the blood thirsty Jews.

4. If Jesus had died on the cross, his blood would clot and

no blood would come out of his body when his side was

pierced. Ask any medical doctor of this. The Gospel states

clearly that blood and water came out; (John 19:34) “But one

of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith

came there out blood and water.” So medically and

scientifically it is proved that he was alive even according to

John.

5. When the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign to prove that he

was a true messenger of God he answered: “For as Jonas

was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall

the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of

the earth.” (Matthew 12:40). Disregard now the time factor,

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which were also not three days and three nights but one day

(Saturday, daytime only) and two nights (Friday night and

Saturday night). The important criteria of the sign are: AS

JONAH WAS! Jonah was alive in the belly of the whale,

and in the same way Jesus was ALIVE in the belly of the

earth.

 

M. Do you agree that Jonas was still alive when he was vomited

out of the belly of the whale?

 

C. Yes! It says so in the Bible.

 

M. So the sign was fulfilled of him being alive as he prophesied.

Jesus himself stated that he did not die on the cross. Early

Sunday morning Mary Magdalene went to the sepulchre, which

was empty. She saw somebody standing who looked like a

gardener. She recognized him after a conversation to be Jesus

and wanted to touch him. Jesus said (John 20:17): “Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father... “Touch me not,”

perhaps because the fresh wounds would hurt him. “I am not

yet ascended to my Father,” means that he was not dead but

still alive. If anybody dies, then he only ascends to GOD. This

was the strongest proof admitted by Jesus himself. After the

alleged crucifixion the disciples thought that he was not the

same Jesus in body but spiritualized, because resurrected bodies

are spiritualized.

 

C. Interruption. How could you be sure that resurrected bodies

are spiritualized?

 

M. That is what Jesus himself said in the Bible: that they are

equal to angels.

 

C. Where about in the Bible?

 

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M. In Luke 20:34-36: “And answering said unto them, the

children of the world marry, and are given in marriage. But they,

which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and then

resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in

marriage: Neither can they die any more for they are equal unto

the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the

resurrection.”

Then Jesus convinced them by letting them touch his hands and

feet, that he was the same person. When they did not believe

him, he asked for meat to eat to prove to them that he still ate

like any living individual. Read Luke 24:36-41: “And as they (the

disciples) thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them,

and saith unto them, “Peace be unto you”. (Exactly as a Muslim

greets) But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed that

they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, “Why are ye

troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my

hands and my feet, that it is I myself, handle me and see, for a

spirit hath no flesh and bones as ye see me have.” And when

he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And

while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto

them, “Have ye here any meat?” And they gave him a piece of

broiled fish, and of a honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat

before them.” Living people eat food, not dead people or

resurrected ones, as Jesus stated in Luke. If you still believe that

he died on the cross, then he was a false Prophet and accursed of

God according to Deuteronomy 13:5: “And that prophet, or that

dreamer of dreams shall be put to death”.

(Deuteronomy 21:22-23): “And if a man have committed a sin

worthy of death, and he be put to death, and thou hang him on a

tree his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou

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shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is

accursed of God) that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy

God giveth thee for an inheritance.”

To believe in his death on the cross is to discredit his

prophethood. The Jews maintained to have killed Jesus on the

cross and consequently portrayed him to be false in his claim to

prophethood. The Church has imposed the doctrine of

crucifixion on the Christians because of Paul, and says it is

necessary for their redemption of sin, and consequently has to

accept the accursedness of Jesus, too. But as stated before by

Jesus: “The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, and

neither the father shall bear the inequity of the son”; and said

further “that they worship him uselessly believing the false

doctrines made by men.”

This doctrine opposes the Bible’s teaching in Hosea 6:v6: “For I

desired mercy and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God

more than burnt-offerings.” It also opposes Jesus’ own teaching

(Matthew 9:13) “But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will

have mercy, and not sacrifice...” Again Jesus said (Matthew

12:7) “But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have

mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not, have condemned the

guiltless.” Can you see? Jesus said twice that he would have

“mercy” from God. The Church’s Doctrine or teaching is

condemning Jesus, an innocent prophet to an accursed death

on Paul’s words without any proof whatsoever. Surely

Christians believe that Jesus was guiltless, was he not? Use your

intelligence to ponder on the words of Jesus (pbuh).

 

C. Of course Jesus was guiltless! But why does the Church force

us to believe in the resurrection then?

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M. It was Paul who taught the resurrection (Acts 17:18): “... And

some (Jews) said, what will this babbler say? Others said he

(Paul) seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods, because he

preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.” Paul, who

never saw or even met Jesus, also admitted that the resurrection

was his gospel (II Timothy 2:8) “Remember that Jesus

Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according

to my gospel.” He was also the first who declared Jesus as Son

of God (Acts 9:20): “And straightway he (Paul) preached Christ

in the synagogues, that he is the son of God.” Read the words

carefully. The Jews called Paul a “babbler”, meaning a

mentally sick person. Also he was setting forth “strange

Gods”. The Jews worshiped only One God and that is why

they called Paul a “babbler” and threw him out of the

synagogues for teaching the concept of “son of god” which

they knew was blasphemy. So trinity in Christianity is not a

teaching of Jesus, but of Paul. The so-called Christians are

following Paul and not Jesus.

 

C. But Mark (16:19) mentioned that Jesus was raised up to

heaven and sat on the right hand of God: “So then after the Lord

had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat

on the right hand of God.”

 

M. As I told you under the discussion of the Holy Bible that

Mark 16, verses 9-20, were expunged in certain Bibles. See

remark in the Revised Standard Version, the New American

Standard Bible and the New World Translation of the Holy

Scriptures of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Church. If you still believe

that Jesus is divine because he was raised up to heaven, why

don’t you accept other Prophets as divine who were also raised

up to heaven?

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C. I am not aware of others. Who were they?

 

M. Elijah (II Kings 2:11-12) “... and Elijah went up by a

whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried ... And

he saw him no more.” Also God took Enoch to heaven (Genesis

5:24) “And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God

took him.” This is also repeated in Hebrews 11:5. “By faith Enoch

was translated that he should not see death and was not found,

because God translated him; for before his translation he had this

testimony that he pleased God.”

 

in the book you can read about:

 

Contents

Part One - Beginning of the Dialogue.

 

1. The first contact between a Christian & a Muslim……... 7

2. The Holy Bible.…………………………………………… 22

3. The Doctrine of the Trinity……………………………… 35

4. The Doctrine of the Divinity of Jesus Christ……….….. 45

5. The Doctrine of the Divine Sonship of Jesus Christ….. 55

6. Was Jesus Crucified?………………………………..…… 59

7. The Doctrine of Atonement and Original Sin…………. 67

8. Both Ismael and Isaac were Blessed……………………. 72

9. Criterion of the Prophet by Jeremiah……………..…… 79

10. Until Shiloh come……………………………………..…. 80

11. Bakka Is Mecca or Makkah……………………………….81

12. The House of My Glory………………………………..… 82

13. Chariot of ###### and Chariot of Camels……..………… 84

14. The Prophet Like Unto Moses……….………………..… 85

15. My Servant, Messenger and Elect…………………….… 88

16. King David Called Him “My Lord”…………..……….. 90

17. Art Thou That Prophet………………………………...… 91

18. Baptizing With the Holy Ghost and With Fire………… 92

19. The Least in the Kingdom of Heaven…………………... 92

20. Blessed Are the Peacemakers…………………………… 93

21. The Comforter……………………………………….…… 94

22. Revelation to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)]…………… 97

23. Verdict of non-muslims……………………………...….. 99

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Is this book available in a pdf and if so can you provide a link? I am sorry but this christian sounded quite uneducated in scripture. Not even knowing the other cases of assumption into heaven. As for other proofs of Jesus being crusified. The Catholic Church holds these articles. Veronica's Veil and the Shroud of Turin. If you goole the words several articles come up here and here are wiki lins. Though I am not a wikipedia fan. Here is a pdf article on Veronica's Veil. Here is another article on the Shroud of Turin.

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Is this book available in a pdf and if so can you provide a link? I am sorry but this christian sounded quite uneducated in scripture. Not even knowing the other cases of assumption into heaven. As for other proofs of Jesus being crusified. The Catholic Church holds these articles. Veronica's Veil and the Shroud of Turin. If you goole the words several articles come up here and here are wiki lins. Though I am not a wikipedia fan. Here is a pdf article on Veronica's Veil. Here is another article on the Shroud of Turin.

 

i have provided the book in PDF a the top of the previous post, how could you miss that?

 

here again

http://www.sultan.org/books/muslimchristianialogue.pdf

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i have provided the book in PDF a the top of the previous post, how could you miss that?

 

here again

http://www.sultan.or...tianialogue.pdf

That was my fault sorry :blush: I got bussy reading what you had posted and skiped right over the link.

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