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I already explained the horsemen. It is a historical record and so errors can be expected. Here is an explanation of why the error is there.

http:///bible-difficulties/joshua-esther/how-many-horsemen-did-david-capture-1700-or-7000.

 

 

Here is where I addressed the horsemen.

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The verse clearly says that people twisted the bible to back up there heresy. This has been a problem throughout Christianity. It does not say that the bible is corrupt. Think about it. If a corrupt text says its corrupt then due to its corruptness, what if that claim of corruption was a corrupted part. Then it isnt corrupt which means since it says it is corrupt, that it is corrupt etc. etc. ad infinitum. Now you have a liar's paradox.

Here is jerehmiah.

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Here is where I addressed the horsemen.

 

so errors are expected in a bhook of God wich is inspired by GOd.

 

tell me something if God inspires how is it possible then that book contain errors then???

 

logic says, God knows everything that is why book of God cant contaion errors, or if it was book of God in the begining but the humans distorted it, that is also possibility.

 

If bible contain errors just like example above how can you be sure that it does not contain other hidden errors???

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who wrote deutronomy for example? lets see what you got

 

 

 

you have not exaplaned anything, if you had i would not reapeat myself.

 

bring logical answer and i will stop repeat myself.

 

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corruption in the bible or quran deedat

Deuteronomy is the recorded discourses of Moses. As this Jewish site says:

 

 

The book of Deuteronomy consists in the main of the discourses which Moses is represented as having delivered, immediately before his death (i. 3), on the other side of Jordan for the purpose of teaching the israelites the laws which theywere to obey, and the spirit in which they were to obey them, when they should be settled in the Promised Land.

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Deuteronomy is the recorded discourses of Moses. As this Jewish site says:

 

 

The book of Deuteronomy consists in the main of the discourses which Moses is represented as having delivered, immediately before his death (i. 3), on the other side of Jordan for the purpose of teaching the israelites the laws which theywere to obey, and the spirit in which they were to obey them, when they should be settled in the Promised Land.

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Here is jerehmiah.

 

dont bring me philosophy here

 

we can clearly see evidence for that text in bible, that bible is corrupted, one verse say one thing other verse say other thing. 

 

even God himself confirmed in quran that bible is corrupted by people. and we can see evidence for that everywhere.

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so errors are expected in a bhook of God wich is inspired by GOd.

 

tell me something if God inspires how is it possible then that book contain errors then???

 

logic says, God knows everything that is why book of God cant contaion errors, or if it was book of God in the begining but the humans distorted it, that is also possibility.

 

If bible contain errors just like example above how can you be sure that it does not contain other hidden errors???

Did you even read the link? A scholar copying down the book messed up the numbers. Look at my earlier reply to Younes. That adresses Bible corruption more fully.

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Deuteronomy is the recorded discourses of Moses. As this Jewish site says:

 

 

The book of Deuteronomy consists in the main of the discourses which Moses is represented as having delivered, immediately before his death (i. 3), on the other side of Jordan for the purpose of teaching the israelites the laws which theywere to obey, and the spirit in which they were to obey them, when they should be settled in the Promised Land.

 

 

the problem is you dont study these stuff properly you only listen what other says to you. so moses delivered deutronomy, this is evidence that you have not studu your holy book properlly, no MOses did not delivered deutronomy beacuse bible itself denies that. unless you believe that dead påeople wrote books.

 

 

Deuteronomy 34

New International Version (NIV)

 

And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. He buried him[a] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. Moses was a hundred and twenty years oldwhen he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. The israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.

 

 

since when did dead people write books???

 

son, you need to study relgion properlly, if you are going to debate with me like this you are not going anywhere, beacuse i can allways get you in my debating traps

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dont bring me philosophy here

 

we can clearly see evidence for that text in bible, that bible is corrupted, one verse say one thing other verse say other thing.

 

even God himself confirmed in quran that bible is corrupted by people. and we can see evidence for that everywhere.

The Jerehmiah verse says that teachers have twisted the bible with their lies. This is a warning by the prophet to israel that the bible has been used to justify things it condemns. As I have said earlier your interpretation of the Quran disagrees with that of the earliest Muslims. In addition I see no reason why I should view the Quran as evidence of bible corruption. Please read my earlier reply to Younes. It covers this as well.

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the problem is you dont study these stuff properly you only listen what other says to you. so moses delivered deutronomy, this is evidence that you have not studu your holy book properlly, no MOses did not delivered deutronomy beacuse bible itself denies that. unless you believe that dead påeople wrote books.

 

 

Deuteronomy 34

New International Version (NIV)

5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. 6 He buried him[a] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years oldwhen he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. 8 The israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.

 

since when did dead people write books???

son, you need to study relgion properlly, if you are going to debate with me like this you are not going anywhere, beacuse i can allways get you in my debating traps

Indeed. I have yet to study either the Quran,Bible,Torah,Hadith or the early church fathers. I am but a novice writing what I think and what I know already.

Did you even read my post? I said that as Moses was dying he had this recorded. I don't see how it is impossible for him to have this recorded then die.

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Did you even read the link? A scholar copying down the book messed up the numbers. Look at my earlier reply to Younes. That adresses Bible corruption more fully.

 

as i said before, you have not studied your relgion properlly if you had you would not come to me with these excuses.

 

how can they mess up with numbers if they are inspired by God???

 

and by the way that is only one small part there are a lot of other errors in the bible, did they also messed up with numbers on other places too???

 

let see this one for example

 

 

 

How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2 1. Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26) - "Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Athaliah the granddaughter of Omri king of israel," (NASB).

VS.

 

2. Forty-two (2 Chron. 22:2) - "Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Athaliah, the granddaughter of Omri," (NASB). Note: the NASB corrects the copyist error and inserts 22 years. It has, however, a note saying the Hebrew states 42 years. For clarity purposes, I quoted the NASB and kept the original Hebrew number of 42.

 

 

no einstein can help you with such contradictions.

 

my advice to you is to start to read quran and study it , that is only unchanged and uncorrupted book of GOd on the face on this planet.

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The Jerehmiah verse says that teachers have twisted the bible with their lies. This is a warning by the prophet to israel that the bible has been used to justify things it condemns. As I have said earlier your interpretation of the Quran disagrees with that of the earliest Muslims. In addition I see no reason why I should view the Quran as evidence of bible corruption. Please read my earlier reply to Younes. It covers this as well.

 

no you dont need to touch quran to see errors in the bible, the bible itself is enough for that, just open it and study it and you will see how much errors are in it. why beacuse that is not work of GOd but men.

 

no it does not cover i want you to post top me in simple language not kilometers copied long text

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Indeed. I have yet to study either the Quran,Bible,Torah,Hadith or the early church fathers. I am but a novice writing what I think and what I know already.

Did you even read my post? I said that as Moses was dying he had this recorded. I don't see how it is impossible for him to have this recorded then die.

come on dont joke with me here

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as i said before, you have not studied your relgion properlly if you had you would not come to me with these excuses.

 

how can they mess up with numbers if they are inspired by God???

 

and by the way that is only one small part there are a lot of other errors in the bible, did they also messed up with numbers on other places too???

 

let see this one for example

 

 

How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

 

 

2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2 1. Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26) - "Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Athaliah the granddaughter of Omri king of israel," (NASB).

VS.

 

2. Forty-two (2 Chron. 22:2) - "Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Athaliah, the granddaughter of Omri," (NASB). Note: the NASB corrects the copyist error and inserts 22 years. It has, however, a note saying the Hebrew states 42 years. For clarity purposes, I quoted the NASB and kept the original Hebrew number of 42.

 

 

no einstein can help you with such contradictions.

 

my advice to you is to start to read quran and study it , that is only unchanged and uncorrupted book of GOd on the face on this planet.

I'm not saying that the original writer who was inspired by God messed up numbers. Neither is the link I posted. I am saying the scribes who copied it down for future generations erred.

 

Also I am just going to re paste my earlier points on bible corruption.

 

Another more important problem is in what you claim these differences prove. You say that because of these differences the bible is shown to be corrupt. However lets think about this. Say I was a scribe, corrupting scripture to suit my fancy. So I added or took away words to change translations to mean what I wished. Then I give these out for others to see. Wouldn't someone notice the differences I had added? Wouldn't I be called out for my attempt at twisting scripture? Your claims mean that the entire learned population of ancient israel or early Christendom was corrupted as well. After all, all it would take would be for one man to "spill the beans" so to speak, to the lay men and this whole operation would fail. That isn't even counting any lay men who listened in Church or Synagogue who may have noticed a difference in the readings. Your claims make no sense. Where are the books indicting the corrupters? Where are the outraged riots among the lower classes as their holy books are changed as men see fit?

 

Another major problem with the bible being corrupted is that Islam ceases to make sense as a result. As the Quran says:

 

Those who follow the Messenger, The unlettered Prophet, Whom they find mentioned In their own (Scriptures)—In the Law and the Gospel— ... It is they who will prosper. (Qur’an 7:157)[2]

 

And remember, Jesus, The son of Mary, said: "O Children of israel! I am the messenger of Allah (Sent) to you, confirming The Law (which came) Before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger To come after me, Whose name shall be Ahmad [i.e. Muhammad]." (Qur’an 61:6)

 

How can we be expected to find prophecies of Muhammad in the corrupt tome you claim us to have? After all if the bible is so easily corrupted how can we trust anything it says? If I were a lawyer would I be expected to use a text which I know to be heavily corrupted? Because of this I disagree with Islam's claims the the bible is corrupt.

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no you dont need to touch quran to see errors in the bible, the bible itself is enough for that, just open it and study it and you will see how much errors are in it. why beacuse that is not work of GOd but men.

 

no it does not cover i want you to post top me in simple language not kilometers copied long text

Are you just talking past me? You aren't even adressing my points in the first paragraph. Prove them wrong if that will prove your point of bible corruption. Edited by Heavens Fire

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come on dont joke with me here

None of my post was a joke. I am a novice and Moses had Deuteronomy recorded before his death. Edited by Heavens Fire

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I'm not saying that the original writer who was inspired by God messed up numbers. Neither is the link I posted. I am saying the scribes who copied it down for future generations erred.

 

Also I am just going to re paste my earlier points on bible corruption.

 

Another more important problem is in what you claim these differences prove. You say that because of these differences the bible is shown to be corrupt. However lets think about this. Say I was a scribe, corrupting scripture to suit my fancy. So I added or took away words to change translations to mean what I wished. Then I give these out for others to see. Wouldn't someone notice the differences I had added? Wouldn't I be called out for my attempt at twisting scripture? Your claims mean that the entire learned population of ancient israel or early Christendom was corrupted as well. After all, all it would take would be for one man to "spill the beans" so to speak, to the lay men and this whole operation would fail. That isn't even counting any lay men who listened in Church or Synagogue who may have noticed a difference in the readings. Your claims make no sense. Where are the books indicting the corrupters? Where are the outraged riots among the lower classes as their holy books are changed as men see fit?

 

Another major problem with the bible being corrupted is that Islam ceases to make sense as a result. As the Quran says:

 

Those who follow the Messenger, The unlettered Prophet, Whom they find mentioned In their own (Scriptures)—In the Law and the Gospel— ... It is they who will prosper. (Qur’an 7:157)[2]

 

And remember, Jesus, The son of Mary, said: "O Children of israel! I am the messenger of Allah (Sent) to you, confirming The Law (which came) Before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger To come after me, Whose name shall be Ahmad [i.e. Muhammad]." (Qur’an 61:6)

 

How can we be expected to find prophecies of Muhammad in the corrupt tome you claim us to have? After all if the bible is so easily corrupted how can we trust anything it says? If I were a lawyer would I be expected to use a text which I know to be heavily corrupted? Because of this I disagree with Islam's claims the the bible is corrupt.

 

 

 

Where are the books indicting the corrupters? 

 

oh my GOd i cant believe my eyes

 

Jeremiah 8:8

"'How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?

 

and you say where....

 

 

How can we be expected to find prophecies of Muhammad in the corrupt tome you claim us to have?

beacuse some parts are corrupted but not all, that is why, no muslim say whole bible is corrupted.

 

that is why we can find prophecies of Muhammed in the bible. even by the name also.

 

 

 After all if the bible is so easily corrupted how can we trust anything it says?

 

 

beacuse we muslims have reference wich you christians dont have, we have quran as truth detector or scanner what God says in quran and it match in bible, we accept that part of the bible, if it does not match we reject it.

 

but you cant know what is right what is wrong, can you if sooo how many horsemen then 1700 or 7000 ?? you dont know that, nobody does.

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I am a novice and Moses had Deuteronomy recorded before his death.

 

oh my God, such delusion even though you can read with your own eyes

 

And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. He buried him[a] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. Moses was a hundred and twenty years oldwhen he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. The israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.

 

 

even though it talks about in past not future you claim that Moses himself wrote that, that is the problem with you christian, you have 0% logic. that is why you accept trinity 1+1+1=1 and other illogical stuff as part of your relgion.

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my advice tyo you is, stop this illgoical nonsence, and start to think with your own head instead of listen to others what they say to you.

 

you need to be logical, if you dont follow logic then you can follow everything in this world.

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oh my GOd i cant believe my eyes

 

Jeremiah 8:8

"'How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?

 

and you say where....

 

beacuse some parts are corrupted but not all, that is why, no muslim say whole bible is corrupted.

 

that is why we can find prophecies of Muhammed in the bible. even by the name also.

 

 

 

beacuse we muslims have reference wich you christians dont have, we have quran as truth detector or scanner what God says in quran and it match in bible, we accept that part of the bible, if it does not match we reject it.

 

but you cant know what is right what is wrong, can you if sooo how many horsemen then 1700 or 7000 ?? you dont know that, nobody does.

Ok. So let's say you are right and Jerehmiah is saying the bible itself is corrupt. Then why do the Jews keep using it? Why use a book you have just been told is corrupt? It makes no sense.

 

Also your arguement is running in circles. The Bible is corrupt- so the Quran is true. The Quran is true so the Bible is corrupt.

 

In addition, as this article shows, you misinterpret Jerehmiah. So in the end you still don't have any document indicting the scribes.

 

 

Jeremiah, chapter 8 states:

 

7 Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD.

8 How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

 

9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?

 

Verse 8 is being quoted by an increasing number of Muslims as proof that the Jewish scholars have been corrupting the text of their scriptures.

 

For all Bible study (as for studying any other book) it is important to look at the context of each passage we want to understand. The above verses are part of Jeremiah's "Temple Address" in Jeremiah 7:1-10:25. [Click on this link and follow the text while reading the below given commentary.]

 

The first important clue is to note that God through the prophet Jeremiah states in verse 7: "my people do not KNOW the requirements of the LORD". He does NOT say that they do not HAVE them. Then in verse 8 he takes up the the false security of the people who claim that they have the law as if the mere possession of the law will benefit them in any way if they do not obey it and if they distort it with their false interpretations.

 

Let us look at the next three verses from the passage in question, since Jeremiah himself explains what this "lying pen" is all about.

 

10 Therefore I will give their wives to other men and their fields to new owners. From the least to the greatest, all are greedy for gain; prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit.

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. "Peace, peace," they say, when there is no peace.

 

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

 

What exactly is it that these scribes are doing? If you read the larger context you will see clearly that the scribes, priests and prophets are telling the people that everything is okay, that the Law is being kept, and that there will be peace because "God is with us", His people. But they are lying. It doesn't say their lying pens are making the Torah into a lie by altering its text. It says they are writing things that are false as though they came from God's law and teaching them to the people.

 

A scribe in that time wasn't so much a copyist as a teacher and expounder. These lying teachers are telling the people "peace, peace" although the true prophet tells them there is no peace and will be no peace. God has announced His judgment on Jerusalem for its idolatery and disobedience. The enemies are coming and God will NOT help. This verse has nothing to do with altering the books, it has to do with teaching false practices and giving false prophecies and saying these are based on the Lord's law. The law of God which clearly speaks of punishement for sin is disregarded and the people are told about the promises of God's goodness -- which are in the Law too, but each has its conditions.

 

What is the reason for this false security? Verse 10 identifies the the people (including the scribes, priests and "prophets") as greedy for gain. But the people will only gladly pay them for good news or better the lies of "favorable horoscopes" and not for the true messages of judgment and calls to repentance coming from God's eternal word. So, because of greed they trade the truth of God's word for the gains that come from the lies of false promises.

 

In 7:1-29 Jeremiah announces God's judgment against Jerusalem because of their sin and disobedience. The people in Jerusalem are kept in false security that nobody would be able to touch them because this is the place of God's Temple and surely God would miraculously rescue them as He has done previously (see e.g. Isaiah 37:36). Jeremiah delivers God's word against this false security in 7:4-15.

 

The "lying pen of the scribes" is guilty not of changing the text of the law, but of false application of it. They are giving the wrong interpreation out of personal greed and because they fear men more than God. In effect, Jeremiah says that they don't "have" the Law because they don't KEEP the Law. It is not the physical presence of the Law or of the Temple that will avert God's wrath, but only obedience to his word. They did not corrupt the physical text of it, but they "handled" it falsely as 8:8 says. If the text they were working with hadn't been the Law anymore, then they could not have been accused of mishandling it ("it" = the Law).

 

"Having" the Law is no advantage whatsoever if you don't obey it. The endresult is the same as if you don't even have it. This is the consistent message of the Bible in many, many places.

 

For example you might have a detailed look at a similar address of judgment against the scribes by Jesus in Matthew 23. Let me explicitely quote a few verses here. Jesus starts out his harsh words of condemnation (taking up nearly all of chapter 23) with:

 

2 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.

3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Jesus would never have told the people to listen to the teachers of the Law if the very law they were teaching had not been unchanged and as pure as it was given by God. No, textual corruption was not an issue at all. It is always the question of how we react and what we do with the law that we know.

 

And there is another passage in 2 Timothy 2, using very similar words as those in Jeremiah:

 

15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

One can "handle" the word of God correctly or falsely, but there is no question that the false interpretations and preaching will affect the EXISTENCE of the word in its true form. False teaching will earn the displeasure of God, but there are others who also have the word and will speak up. Like Jeremiah in his time is sent to speak because the scribes teach lies and say that they are the true word of God. And like the true disciples in the early church against the heretics.

 

The same holds for the Qur'an which admonishes us to obey the earlier revelations. How can it tell Jews and Christians to believe and obey them if they were not even available anymore because they are seriously corrupted? Repeatedly the Qur'an states that they are "with them" [literally "between their hands" as in 3:49-50, 61:6 and 5:49 for the time of Jesus]. See the detailed discussion of this issue in Section Two of Dr. Campbell's book.

 

Arguing from the passage in Jeremiah 8 that the Torah is corrupted in its text would be going against the testimony of Jesus, against the testimony of the whole of God's prophets, and is an argument from silence, since it does not say so at all. The context makes it fully clear that this speaks about false interpretation and application of the word of God.

 

But there is still one more piece of evidence from the book of Jeremiah. Indeed this same incident of his temple address is reported again in Jeremiah 26, where we read:

 

4 Say to them, 'This is what the LORD says: If you do not listen to me and follow my law, which I have set before you,

5 and if you do not listen to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I have sent to you again and again (though you have not listened)

6 then I will make this house like Shiloh and this city an object of cursing among all the nations of the earth.'

Obviously, God admonishes the people to obey his law which he has set before them. This would not be possible and indeed were a ridiculous command if the law were not with them so that they can indeed read and know and obey it. Both, the law of God [the Torah given through Moses], and the words brought by the many other prophets of God, like Isaiah some generations earlier and Jeremiah himself at this time.

 

This is confirmation from the book of Jeremiah itself, even from the very same incident of the temple address, that the evidence above has been read correctly. The earlier passage in Jeremiah 8 is in most Bibles set in verse form which shows that the Hebrew is written in poetry. The summary statement about the temple address in chapter 26 is written in prose. We all know that in poetry there is often a greater license employed of words which are not meant literal but which are used to achieve a dramatic effect. And for the effect on the life of the people these false teachings are the same as not having the law at all. That why it is so serious. But that doesn't mean it has actually disappeared "physically". Chapter 26 makes it clear that it is still available and if the people will heed Jeremiah's preaching they indeed CAN go back and read it and obey it.

 

Further evidence: In Nehemia, chapter 8 we find that Ezra reads the Law to the people of israel for a whole week, day after day. For example in verses 8, 13-14, and 18 it states:

 

They read from the Book of the Law of God, making it clear and giving the meaning so that the people could understand what was being read...

... On the second day ... they gathered around Ezra the scribe to give attention to the words of the Law.

They found written in the Law, which the LORD had commanded through Moses, that ...

Day after day, from the first day to the last, Ezra read from the Book of the Law of God. ...

This is in about 430 B.C. about 180 years after Jeremiah's temple address which took place in 609 or 608 B.C., the first year of the reign of king Jehoiakim (see Jeremiah 26:1).

 

Furthermore, at about the same time the prophet Malachi lives and preaches. In Malachi 4:4 we also read that God admonishes his people:

 

Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all israel.

All this clearly testifies to the existence of the Law of God given through Moses at this time.

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oh my God, such delusion even though you can read with your own eyes

 

5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said.6 He buried him[a] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years oldwhen he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone.8 The israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.

 

 

even though it talks about in past not future you claim that Moses himself wrote that, that is the problem with you christian, you have 0% logic. that is why you accept trinity 1+1+1=1 and other illogical stuff as part of your relgion.

Andalusi I have already asked you to keep out the ad hominem. It gets rid of calm discussion and turns into a who's worse fight. Please don't.

 

On Moses I still don't see the problem. Moses finished his dictation, died and the story of his death and israel's mourning was recorded at the end of the book. Yet you claim I can't think logically.

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my advice tyo you is, stop this illgoical nonsence, and start to think with your own head instead of listen to others what they say to you.

 

you need to be logical, if you dont follow logic then you can follow everything in this world.

Andalusi if this is how you wish to discuss Islam and Christianity I have to say I am not interested. I tell you my reasoning and you, without refuting it, call me illogical and tell me to accept Islam. And then you wonder why I won't.

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Ok. So let's say you are right and Jerehmiah is saying the bible itself is corrupt. Then why do the Jews keep using it? Why use a book you have just been told is corrupt? It makes no sense.

 

why, there could be some intrest in using it even though it is corrupted, it could be money, land (to claim israel to be only for them), or other stuff wich could also be. but i am sure many dont even know that bible is corrupted.

 

 

 Why use a book you have just been told is corrupt?

 

answer is here

Corruption in Bible or Quran, Ahmed Deedat Answers 

 

 

 

Also your arguement is running in circles. The Bible is corrupt- so the Quran is true. The Quran is true so the Bible is corrupt. 

 

no no and no, bible is corrupt beacuse bible itself claim that, and gives evidence for that. and of course God says in the quran that bible is corrupted by people.

 

 

 

In addition, as this article shows, you misinterpret Jerehmiah. So in the end you still don't have any document indicting the scribes. 

 

if i have no evidence of contradictions in bible i could not claim then that bible is corrupted if i have no evidence for that, but i presented clearly to you errors in bible.

 

is this not corruption, you take out verses from bible and leave empty space where they were before??? that is exactly what they did with revised bible from 1952 , they remove some verses claimed that they were fabrication, and then they put them back in 70 ties, why beacuse money, they could not sell those bible without crucial verses in it.

 

 

On Moses I still don't see the problem. Moses finished his dictation, died and the story of his death and israel's mourning was recorded at the end of the book. Yet you claim I can't think logically.

 

where does bible say that moses wrote deutronomy??? nowhere

 

so how can you believe stuff wich they told you without evidence, and i post to you obvious evidence and you dont want to believe me.

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I agree with this. It is not logical that the Scribes corrupting the Scripture would form you of their corruption. If they tell you they are the lying pens in Scripture (Which they are not) they are not very smart Scribes LOL. Those that use these verses to prove Biblical corruption do it because they have heard others use it. They are not studying coming to there own conclusions.

 

first this bible what you have today was not like this 2000 years ago, these books were separated and not one collections of the books.

 

 

redeemed, question for you, do you believe that bible does not contain errors?

 

were bible writers inspired by God, that God gives instructions in their soul how to write and what to write in bible???

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Are there errors in the Bible? Yes, thousands, but most are spelling and nonsense errors the rest are word order and interpolation that we know are there, because we have the uncorrupted copies of the scrolls/manuscripts written in the language it came in. This goes along with the Scripture that states God will preserve His word forever established in the heavens.

 

no you dont, if you had you would not make so many contradictions in bible, i dont buy that exuse at all.

 

 

We didn't have a Christian Uthman to burn copies of our original manuscripts so we know we have copies untouched and preserved written in the language of the founding inspired spiritual fathers. But Islam cannot say that, because Uthman burned the originals, and he used Hafsah's copy to recompile the Quran then her copy was destroyed by Marwa. Why all this destruction of the Quran? What were they trying hide from the people? 

 

Uthman did not burn orginal copies, dont lie here. and that Hafsah copy was also destroyed is also a lie.

 

why destruction of doubtful qurans, maybe you should watch the video and then you would know.

 

answer at 7:27 min

 

 

 

The Bible is poetic at times

 

what is poetical in mockering God????? that GOd ride chirubs(winged baby-girls), come on man this is mockring God, just compare Islamic description of God how above all this nonsence God is compared to biblical description, when He is depicted as barber who shaves hair on people legs, rides winged baby-girls, fights battles with human(Jacob) and loses, God who regrets and dont know stuff, God who cry, GOd who is humiliated and killed half naked on the cross, what kind of God is this.

 

IN Islamic description of God, you cant even come close to harm Him at all, not to talk about possiblity to harm him, and He can kill you/me in every possible and impossible way, just pick how you want to die or save you from death he can fullfill it. 

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