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Of the four Gospel writers, God "inspired" only two of them to record the genealogy of His "son." To make it easy for you to compare the "fathers and grandfathers" of Jesus Christ in both the "inspired" lists, between David and Jesus, God "inspired" Matthew to record only 26 ancestors for His "son". But Luke, also "inspired," gathered up 41 forefathers for Jesus. The only name common two these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH and that, too, a "supposed father according to Luke (3:23 AV). This one name is glaring. You need no fine-tooth comb to catch him. It is Joseph the carpenter. You will also easily observe that the lists are grossly contradictory. Could both the lists have emanated from the same source, i.e GOD?

I don't see how this explains your earlier post.

 

Anyway I'd first like to explain a misunderstanding. In Christian understanding inspired means that God inspired men to record the Bible. It doesn't mean that God directly told the authors what to write.

 

On your contradiction. The lineage in Luke is traced through Mary who was placed under Josephs name. Heli is another translation of the name Joachim, Mary's father. Matthews traced Josephs actual line and thus Jesus' legal lineage.

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And you never understood what is meant by the " everlasting gospel" OR you rejected it . That is why you changed your religion .

 

Did you fathi ?

 

 I do not condescend , I challenge arguments based in ignorance .  You claim a  background in "theology " ? Well then , what is the everlasting gospel ? 

 

 If you don't know , then you are best served by refraining from any refutation of Christian beliefs .

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Algarr. The word religion means relationship as well as beliefs about God. After all to have a relationship with someone you have to understand them. That is what beliefs are.

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I hope you aint saying that the early church fathers were able to verify the authors considering that all authors were dead when they came along. That is, of course, not to mention the fact that most of the gospel was originally oral. Most of the writings did not come until after the supposed crucifixion....long after. The earliest dated manuscripts of the Bible were in fact the epistles which as any Christian student will tell you was either written by Paul or his disciple.

 

Now this is, of course, to say nothing of the Biblical evidence that contradicts the teachings of Paul and the very concept of Jesus (pbuh) being crucified. Also if you go according to the Bible you either have to say that there was another prophet to come or you have to say that there is a very large flaw in the Book of John based upon earlier comments in the gospel of Luke chapter 1. I am referring to John chapter 14:15-21. Christians claim he is talking about the holy spirit...okay let's go with that for the sake of argument. Then how is it necessary to leave to send someone who is already there? When Mary, the mother of Jesus (pbuh) is visiting her cousin Elizabeth the holy spirit is in her womb.

 

http://http://www.answering-christianity.com/trinityhistory.htm

 

http://http://www.answering-christianity.com/adeel_khan/original_sin_does_not_exist.htm

Your first link is very long and downright incorrect. It combines the Babylon religion theory (discredited several times) with a straw man on Church councils and on Constantine. I will need a while to gather all the sources necessary to point out the holes in it.

 

The second link is much shorter but I'd still like to gather some sources for it. Until then God bless.

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[at]Heavens Fire first let me say it is a breath of refreshing air to get someone such as yourself instead of certain others who would've had their jaw rocked if they were down here in Dixie.  THat's why I refrain from talking certain ways to people online cuz I was brought up that if you got something to say to someone (that they might not like) you say it to their face or you be polite about it.

 

Moving on though.

 

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Original_Sin.html

 

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/articles/original-sin.html

 

Now this is of course ot say nothing of other matters such as the fact that at least 2 men went to heaven before Jesus (pbuh) not to mention the clear distinction between elijah, the messiah, and the prophet.  But lets not put the cart ahead of the horses

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[at]Heavens Fire first let me say it is a breath of refreshing air to get someone such as yourself instead of certain others who would've had their jaw rocked if they were down here in Dixie.  THat's why I refrain from talking certain ways to people online cuz I was brought up that if you got something to say to someone (that they might not like) you say it to their face or you be polite about it.

 

Moving on though.

 

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Original_Sin.html

 

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/articles/original-sin.html

 

Now this is of course ot say nothing of other matters such as the fact that at least 2 men went to heaven before Jesus (pbuh) not to mention the clear distinction between elijah, the messiah, and the prophet.  But lets not put the cart ahead of the horses

Thank you Fathi. Your a pleasure to discuss this with as well. I appreciate your lack of condescension.

 

I'm going out with family tonight so I won't be able to reply to your articles until tomorrow at the earliest. Until then God bless and have peace.

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Fathi, many Muslims don't understand original sin correctly. I'd like to make sure we're both on the same page. Can you explain to me your understanding of original sin.

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This will be interesting to hear .

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Here is a question for all christians here on this forum

 

Do you believe that God is a worm??? 

 

funny_smoking_worm-t1.jpg

 

if YES, then i have no comment

 

If you say no, then you go against your holy book wich claim that your God is a worm

 

 

evidence:

 

Job 25:6

How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, who is a worm?

 

who is son of man accoridng to bible?

 

Mark 2:10 So I will prove to you that the Son of Man has the authority on earth to forgive sins." Then Jesus turned to the paralyzed man and said...

 

Mathew 26:64

"You have said so," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

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Andalusi my bible the New American Bible Revised edition says for Job 25;6

How much less a human being, who is but a worm, a mortal, who is only a maggot.

 

So my question to you is what bible are you using? Also, my answer using the bible is yes. It's good to see you again old friend. This can be explained by the concept of the hypostatic union I believe. Though it is a mystery.

 

Peace be with you.

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Andalusi, what does the Koran say on the issue of tolerance and peace concerning others faiths etc? Does it talk of love? In the bible Jesus says to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul and to love your neighbor as yourself. Does the Koran echo this?

 

Peace be with you.

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Thank you for showing your disrespect and expressed ignorance .  Christians should not respond in kind , as that would bring them down to your level .

 

 

 It just goes to show as an example ,  that Muslims [ like yourself ]  have no business refuting anything that has to do with Christianity .

 

 

 

 You should be ashamed , but I'll bet you're not .

 

 

BTW Andalusia will remain SPAIN .

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Andalusi my bible the New American Bible Revised edition says for Job 25;6

How much less a human being, who is but a worm, a mortal, who is only a maggot.

 

So my question to you is what bible are you using? Also, my answer using the bible is yes. It's good to see you again old friend. This can be explained by the concept of the hypostatic union I believe. Though it is a mystery.

 

Peace be with you.

 

these

 

 

English Standard Version

how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm!”

 

New American Standard Bible 

How much less man, that maggot, And the son of man, that worm!"

 

King James Bible

How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

 

Holman Christian Standard Bible

how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm! 

 

NET Bible

how much less a mortal man, who is but a maggot--a son of man, who is only a worm!" 

 

Jubilee Bible 2000

How much less man, who is as a worm, and the son of man, who is also a worm?

 

King James 2000 Bible

How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, who is a worm?

 

American King James Version

How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

 

American Standard Version

How much less man, that is a worm! And the son of man, that is a worm!

 

Douay-Rheims Bible

How much less man that is rottenness and the son of man who is a worm? 

 

Darby Bible Translation

How much less man, a worm, and the son of man, a worm!

 

English Revised Version

How much less man, that is a worm! and the son of man, which is a worm!

 

Webster's Bible Translation

How much less man, that is a worm; and the son of man, who is a worm?

 

World English Bible

How much less man, who is a worm, the son of man, who is a worm!"

 

Young's Literal Translation

How much less man -- a grub, And the son of man -- a worm!

 

copied from christian bible site

http://biblehub.com/job/25-6.htm

 

your bible did not translate it correctly beacuse most of the bibles translated it as son of man not as mortal.

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Andalusi, what does the Koran say on the issue of tolerance and peace concerning others faiths etc? Does it talk of love? In the bible Jesus says to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul and to love your neighbor as yourself. Does the Koran echo this?

 

Peace be with you.

 

everywhere in the quran

 

quran is tolerant to judaism and christianity.

 

 

 Does it talk of love?

 

 

love to whom?

 

 

 In the bible Jesus says to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul and to love your neighbor as yourself. Does the Koran echo this?

 

yes

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Andalusi

 

Thank you for showing your disrespect and expressed ignorance .  Christians should not respond in kind , as that would bring them down to your level .

 

 

 It just goes to show as an example ,  that Muslims [ like yourself ]  have no business refuting anything that has to do with Christianity .

 

 

 

 You should be ashamed , but I'll bet you're not .

 

 

BTW Andalusia will remain SPAIN .

 

no, i just qoute your bible, and your job is to explain that to people.

 

we are here to discuss relgious stuff not to shut our eyes in front of these verses, wemuslims are not  ashamed of quranic verses so why are you ashamed of you bible then?

 

is it beacuse your holy book claim your God is a worm? you may think this is insult but i am just qouting your holy book, your job is to answer it.

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Fathi, many Muslims don't understand original sin correctly. I'd like to make sure we're both on the same page. Can you explain to me your understanding of original sin.

 

The snake tempted Eve in the garden to eat the forbidden fruit which she then offered to adam.  Because of their disobedience they were kicked out of the garden of eden.  As Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of the difference between right and wrong they realized they were naked and hid from God.  Because of their sin mankind was to live a life toiling out their days in dirt and woman was to experience pain in child birth as punishment.  THey had gone from their pure state to a deathly state of sin and thus all of mankind was subject to be inherently sinful. 

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No , you're not "just quoting " ,you are using a sarcastic and insulting conclusion,by misquoting and misconstruing . If that is how you interpret those verses , then you are ignorant . And one should not argue from a position of ignorance .

 

 However I can not stop you from playing dumb .

 

 And no , it is NOT "my job " to answer such an insulting mind .

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Fathi on your first article.

 

The author makes the claim that early Christians did not believe in a triune God. Here are a few quotes by early Christians. All but Ireneaus were alive alongside the Apostles. I would especially like to emphasize Ignatius' quote. That sounds alot like the Trinity.

 

Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle.

 

"O Lord God almighty... I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever" (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040).

 

Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christian apologist and martyr.

 

"For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water" (First Apol., LXI).

 

Ignatius of Antioch (died 98/117). Bishop of Antioch. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.

 

"In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit for ever" (n. 7; PG 5.988).

"We have also as a Physician the Lord our God Jesus the Christ the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For ‘the Word was made flesh.' Being incorporeal, He was in the body; being impassible, He was in a passable body; being immortal, He was in a mortal body; being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts." (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 1, p. 52, Ephesians 7.)

 

Irenaeus (115-190). As a boy he listened to Polycarp, the disciple of John. He became Bishop of Lyons.

 

"The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: ...one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,' and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all...'" (Against Heresies X.l)

 

Here is the basis for a three persons God from Scripture. http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/apologetics/trinity/the-trinity-in-scripture/

 

The author also sets up a straw man by trying to make it look like early Christian councils taught that God was flawed because man is flawed and Jesus became man. This ignores Christian theology. Man was not always flawed. We only became flawed because of disobedience to God. Jesus obeyed God and was free of the corruption from Adams error so he was not flawed and did not make God flawed.

 

Here are some links on the three councils he mentions and on why they were called, in case you wanted to know more.

 

http://http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nicea1.txt

http://http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum03.htm

http://http://www./cathen/03555a.htm

 

He claims the trinity originated in Babylon and moved to Greece and then Christianity. I am not knowledgeable about Babylonian gods so I'm not sure which three he is referring to but in Greece he claims Zeus, Poseidon and Hades were a one God in three persons. This is untrue. The Greeks worshipped those three God's as the most influential among their many gods. They were not believed to be united into one God and in some myths even fought against each other. For example in the Iliad Poseidon supported the Greeks while Zeus supported the Trojans.

 

The author then quotes Numbers 23:19 out of context. First off the verse is about how God doesn't lie or change like humans. Second, and more importantly, Jesus had not incarnated yet and as such God had not become man.

 

The author then uses several Christian sources that state the Trinity was not clearly formulated until Nicaea and thus was not believed until then. Here he is incorrect. As I have shown earlier the Trinity was believed by Christians very early in Christian history.

 

Then he uses the book, The Doctrine of the Trinity Christianity’s Self-Inflicted Wound by Anthony F. Buzzard Charles F. Hunting to claim that the Trinity developed in the 2nd century. The Christians I listed were from the first century and show Mr. Buzzards error.

 

He then claims that the Trinity was cobbled together from pagan beliefs. Here is an article I found on the subject.

http://http://www.catholic.com/blog/jon-sorensen/the-early-church-fathers-and-paganism

It shows the Church Fathers disdain for paganism.

 

He then takes a quote by the catholic encyclopedia and twist it to serve his purpose.

 

Catholic Encyclopedia 1991

 

"The term 'Trinity' does not appear in scripture"

 

"(The Doctrine of the Trinity) - hammered out over the course of three centuries of doctrinal controversy against modalism and subordinationism"

 

He uses this to claim that the Catholic Church made up the trinity. While the word Trinity isn't found in the bible the belief is. Just read the introduction to John's Gospel. Doctrines are attempts to find the correct words to explain a belief. Many incorrect explanations were put forward by people and were refuted under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and declared heretical.

 

He then repeats his claim on Babylon. Here is a site I found on Babylonian gods and goddesses. I couldn't find any that were a trinity, though I had to skim through it.

http://http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/assyrbabyl-faq.html

 

He then talks about Arius. Arius claimed that Christ was a created being. However unlike Muslims he did not teach that Jesus was a man but rather a powerful demigod.

 

The author then attempts to show how Constantine forced the trinity on Christians. I found several articles on Nicaea and his role in it, which I will post below.

 

http://http://www.earlychristianhistory.info/nicaea.html

http://http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/godsreligion/p/aa082499.htm

http://http://www.catholic.com/blog/jon-sorensen/constantine-has-been-beaten-to-death

 

Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on Arianism. It shows how Constantine didn't particularly care about the doctrines involved and only wanted agreement from the bishops.

 

Although he was committed to maintaining what the church had defined at Nicaea, Constantine was also bent on pacifying the situation and eventually became more lenient toward those condemned and exiled at the council. First he allowed Eusebius of Nicomedia, who was a protégé of his sister, and Theognis to return once they had signed an ambiguous statement of faith. The two, and other friends of Arius, worked for Arius' rehabilitation. At the First Synod of Tyre in AD 335, they brought accusations against Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria, the primary opponent of Arius; after this, Constantine had Athanasius banished, since he considered him an impediment to reconciliation. In the same year, the Synod of Jerusalem under Constantine's direction readmitted Arius to communion in AD 336. Arius, however, died on the way to this event in Constantinople. Some scholars suggest that Arius may have been poisoned by his opponents.[17] Eusebius and Theognis remained in the Emperor's favour, and when Constantine, who had been a catechumen much of his adult life, accepted baptism on his deathbed, it was from Eusebius of Nicomedia.[18]

 

You'll note that after the Council the doctrine of the Trinity was formulated to explain the trifold God found in the Bible and early Church.

 

In conclusion the idea of a God in three persons was believed since the times of Christ and was shown in the Bible. It was formulated into the doctrine of the Trinity at Nicaea. Note that this doesn't mean that it wasn't believed until then but rather that it was not put into one universal way of explaining it. Before the doctrine of the Trinity there were many ways of explaining the three persons of God. That led to all the disagreements.

 

Pardon if this is long and full of spelling errors.

God bless.

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Fathi, on original sin I explain it better through a series of questions. The first one I think I know the answer to but I must ask it anyway. Is God flawed?

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andalusi

 

No , you're not "just quoting " ,you are using a sarcastic and insulting conclusion,by misquoting and misconstruing . If that is how you interpret those verses , then you are ignorant . And one should not argue from a position of ignorance .

 

 However I can not stop you from playing dumb .

 

 And no , it is NOT "my job " to answer such an insulting mind .

 

then why dont you explain to all of us those verses if you know what they mean?

 

tell us who is the son of man from Job 25:6??

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andalusi , your misunderstanding is due to your lack of knowledge ,and your inability to take words in context and euphemisms .

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Is English your native tongue ????

 

Job25:6

 

The writer is explaining the difference between man and a worm , whereas a worm is incapable of communicating with God and man is .

 

Man as compared to God is as insignifigant as a worm .

 

 Did you really miss that andalusi ???  Do you wonder that I consider you sarcastic and ignorant ?

 

READ THE VERSE  andalusi . You cannot be that lacking in reading comprehension unless you do not have a command of the English Language . LEARN what is meant by ALLEGORY .

 

"son of man " is a term that refers to man as it is used in Job . In Matthew, Jesus , because he is first  a man , yet Redeemer and the FIRST man [ son of man ] to become a Son of God .  [ so of man is a term used for man /and/or woman - mankind ]

 

Your misunderstanding here is due to cherry-picking verses which are chose by Muslim apologetics to refute the Bible .

 

The verses you use to compare and erroneously attempt to attach the same meaning is really pathetic , for  those who are much more learned than you in Bible refute would not even attempt such a ridiculous comparison and conclusion .

 

Do you want to refute the Bible ???   The READ THE WHOLE THING , and then come back an attempt your refutation .  The source where you are getting your information from is foolish and you make yourself seem foolish by using that information .

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andalusi , your misunderstanding is due to your lack of knowledge ,and your inability to take words in context and euphemisms .

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Is English your native tongue ????

 

Job25:6

 

The writer is explaining the difference between man and a worm , whereas a worm is incapable of communicating with God and man is .

 

Man as compared to God is as insignifigant as a worm .

 

 Did you really miss that andalusi ???  Do you wonder that I consider you sarcastic and ignorant ?

 

READ THE VERSE  andalusi . You cannot be that lacking in reading comprehension unless you do not have a command of the English Language . LEARN what is meant by ALLEGORY .

 

"son of man " is a term that refers to man as it is used in Job . In Matthew, Jesus , because he is first  a man , yet Redeemer and the FIRST man [ son of man ] to become a Son of God .  [ so of man is a term used for man /and/or woman - mankind ]

 

Your misunderstanding here is due to cherry-picking verses which are chose by Muslim apologetics to refute the Bible .

 

The verses you use to compare and erroneously attempt to attach the same meaning is really pathetic , for  those who are much more learned than you in Bible refute would not even attempt such a ridiculous comparison and conclusion .

 

Do you want to refute the Bible ???   The READ THE WHOLE THING , and then come back an attempt your refutation .  The source where you are getting your information from is foolish and you make yourself seem foolish by using that information .

 

 

 

The writer is explaining the difference between man and a worm , whereas a worm is incapable of communicating with God and man is .

 

Man as compared to God is as insignifigant as a worm .

 

whaaat???

 

 

how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm!”

 

son of man is jesus according to bible, a man referes here to all of us beacuse we are men. and title son of man is jesus according to bible.

 

 

 

"son of man " is a term that refers to man as it is used in Job . In Matthew, Jesus , because he is first  a man , yet Redeemer and the FIRST man [ son of man ] to become a Son of God .  [ so of man is a term used for man /and/or woman - mankind ]

 

Son of Man according to bible is jesus so why do you change this?

 

evidence:

Mark 2:10 So I will prove to you that the Son of Man has the authority on earth to forgive sins." Then Jesus turned to the paralyzed man and said...

 

Mathew 26:64

"You have said so," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

 

son of man if it is a man then the verse would be most stupid in the whole bible beacuse, if we change this son of man into man

 

we get this

how much less man, who is a maggot, and man, who is a worm!”

 

is this logical to you?? to repeat itself and change from maggot to worm, tehre is absolutly no logic in what you say.

 

You bible says that title Son of Man refers to jesus,

 

even christian priest says that, at 3:45 sec

 

 

jesus says in the bible that he is son of man, christian priest says that this title refers to jesus, and you say it refers to man.

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Unfortunately Heavens Fire , skips over your obvious error as his motive is to avoid confrontation and perhaps is attempting to convert you .

 I  have no intention to convert you , I simply confront you with your error , and advise you , if you not are already aware  [ and I think you are ]  that you are being insulting, since I do not believe you can make such an error if  you understand the English Language . and have read the  material you are attempting to criticize .

 

 In other words andalusi , I will not play games with you on such a subject . Apparently Heaven's Fire will .

 

 Heaven's fire will waste your time cut and pasting the information he finds rather than explain to you in simple terms the meaning of what he calls " original sin " . This is merely a reference to man's fallen nature , which traces back to Adam and Eve , but in a contemporary setting , we are all born with a nature to sin , yes we ask God to forgive us and in His Mercy he forgives us , yet we continue to sin in word and deed . That is the nature of the "son of man " . Jesus was the FIRST SON OF MAN to lead a SINLESS LIFE . The first "son of man " to become a Son of God  .Indeed God Himself come to Earth in the form of a "son of man " to be THE EXAMPLE  to which men can not be in their fallen nature .  Jesus is also referred to as The First Adam , or the FIRST BORN SON OF GOD .  The First Born of MANY who will become Sons of God . Belief in Jesus , his DEATH, BURIAL , AND RESSURRECTION  gives men the power to become Sons of God .

  That belief does not come from the preachings of men like Heaven's Fire or anyone else . Many " hear " the word but do not believe .  The Holy Spirit touches men to believe .They accept or reject .  Those who accept can NEVER be lost . Jesus said whoever is delivered to him by the Spirit will never be taken from his hand .

 

 

 There you have it andalusi , stop wasting your time trying to refute and convert Christians . True Christians will never revert [ as you put it ] .

 

 Listening to Heaven's Fire , it may take weeks and countless cut and pastes for Heaven's Fire to make his point . The Everlasting Gospel is SIMPLE , it requires no memorization , no dogma , no traditions , no man made rules or conformities , NO RELIGION .

 

 There is Jesus and nothing else . The " TRIUNE GOD " is GOD manifesting in three forms , a concept not easily understood , yet if God is God , he can be whatever he wishes and manifest himself in whatever way he wishes .Because man with his finite mind can not comprehend the Infinite Mind of God , that does not discount the possibilities of what God can do . 

 

If you find that concept hard to accept , then how do you accept that God is Omnipresent ?   How can God be everywhere at all places and times ?   You can not understand THAT , nor can I , we accept it because He is God .

 

Jesus said " I am the ONLY WAY to the Father .

 

You take it or leave it andalusi . Don't try to refute a TRUE CHRISTIAN ,   Be a good man , a good Muslim , God is Merciful . At the end you will get the opportunity to accept or reject your salvation through the Christ .THAT is the TRUE CHRISTIAN BELIEF >these word games will take up your time indefinitely , and that would be a waste of the time we are given .

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Indeed God Himself come to Earth in the form of a "son of man " to be THE EXAMPLE 

 

so your God is a worm?

Job 25:6 ...and the son of man, who is a worm!”

 

 

to which men can not be in their fallen nature .  Jesus is also referred to as The First Adam , or the FIRST BORN SON OF GOD.  The First Born of MANY who will become Sons of God . Belief in Jesus , his DEATH, BURIAL , AND RESSURRECTION  gives men the power to become Sons of God .

 

not true beacuse your bible contradicts you

 

Exodus 4:22. 
“And thou (Moses) shalt say unto Pharaoh, thus saith the 
Lord, israel is my son, even my firstborn.”
 
if israel/Jacob is His firstborn how can jesus be firstborn?? You people cant play games with me, i know bible more than you can imagine.

 

 

 The " TRIUNE GOD " is GOD manifesting in three forms , a concept not easily understood , yet if God is God , he can be whatever he wishes and manifest himself in whatever way he wishes .Because man with his finite mind can not comprehend the Infinite Mind of God , that does not discount the possibilities of what God can do . 

 

if Jesus is God then why this God separate HImself into 3 Gods at the same time, making your relgion polytheism and not monoteistic religion.

 

If jesus is God , how can God pray to another God or himself??? there is absolutely no logic in your belief system.

 

 

 

hen how do you accept that God is Omnipresent ?   How can God be everywhere at all places and times ?   You can not understand THAT , nor can I , we accept it because He is God .

 

God is omnipresent with His knowledge NOT with HIS being, God is above heavens, or outside universe but His is presenert everywhere with his Knowledge. 

 

 

 Don't try to refute a TRUE CHRISTIAN , 

 

i dont need to refute you, your bible refute you.

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You are woefully ignorant andalusi .  OMNISCIENT-All Knowing ,is referring to God's Knowledge , Omnipotent -All Powerfull   ,He is Allmighty , Omnipresent -He is everywhere .

 

 You need  to start from scratch and learn about God . Even in your own faith you are sorely lacking .

 

 

It seems you have been taught the "politics of your religion " rather than the nature of God and spirituality .

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