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As stated in the previous thread I am making this one as the other was messy and hard to navigate around. Feel free to copy and paste any arguments in that thread that I did not address.

I am busy now so I won't be as active as I was before. Please only post if you have any form of evidence or argument for the existence of God, otherwise this will become just as messy.

Do not waste your time commenting about how it is foolish to be an atheist. Honestly, I don't care. All you're doing is flaming and you're not helping your religion in anyway. You know who you are.

I will address these, but I ask politely that you do not use the typical 'What made the universe?', the cosmological and teleological arguments, the watchmaker analogy and 'The universe is too beautiful to be created by chance'. I have refuted these over and over again and I get bored easily of them.

If you feel you have evidence for God which has not been properly refuted by me, please, you are welcome to join any atheist forum, and I doubt you will be repeating it after a couple of responses.

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As stated in the previous thread I am making this one as the other was messy and hard to navigate around. Feel free to copy and paste any arguments in that thread that I did not address.

I am busy now so I won't be as active as I was before. Please only post if you have any form of evidence or argument for the existence of God, otherwise this will become just as messy.

Do not waste your time commenting about how it is foolish to be an atheist. Honestly, I don't care. All you're doing is flaming and you're not helping your religion in anyway. You know who you are.

I will address these, but I ask politely that you do not use the typical 'What made the universe?', the cosmological and teleological arguments, the watchmaker analogy and 'The universe is too beautiful to be created by chance'. I have refuted these over and over again and I get bored easily of them.

If you feel you have evidence for God which has not been properly refuted by me, please, you are welcome to join any atheist forum, and I doubt you will be repeating it after a couple of responses.

 

I agree with you 100%. All these arguments religious people use do not provide any concrete evidence for the existence of God. I have never used them to prove God's existence. They only make sense to those who already believe that a Creator exists.

 

I ,however, present Models of Knowledge to present proof of the existence of God. I am also presenting two models of knowledge on a mostly atheist forum and there are many atheists who are following it and they wrote to me that they have found the presentations very enlightening.

 

If you are willing we can have intelligent discussions without insults and dismissals. I would request that those who cannot follow the arguments to keep one side and allow the discussion to flow uninterruptedly. Hope to hear from you.

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I agree with you 100%. All these arguments religious people use do not provide any concrete evidence for the existence of God. I have never used them to prove God's existence. They only make sense to those who already believe that a Creator exists.

 

I ,however, present Models of Knowledge to present proof of the existence of God. I am also presenting two models of knowledge on a mostly atheist forum and there are many atheists who are following it and they wrote to me that they have found the presentations very enlightening.

 

If you are willing we can have intelligent discussions without insults and dismissals. I would request that those who cannot follow the arguments to keep one side and allow the discussion to flow uninterruptedly. Hope to hear from you.

 

They don't even provide a bit of evidence, as all arguments I've seen have been ridiculed by science and counter-arguments.

 

Really? I'll message you with the name of an atheist forum, as the mods will censor it if it's posted here, deeming it 'advertisement'. I hope to see you post there soon.

 

Oh, absolutely. I will never insult unless the first move has been made by another, or if something just absolutely deserves to be insulted, like an argument that's recycled and recycled over and over again despite it being debunked on almost every atheist forum, blog etc.

But please try to keep them as simple as possible; I'm only 13, and will find it hard to keep track of something that utilizes Wikipedia-style vocabulary and phrasing.

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They don't even provide a bit of evidence, as all arguments I've seen have been ridiculed by science and counter-arguments.

 

Really? I'll message you with the name of an atheist forum, as the mods will censor it if it's posted here, deeming it 'advertisement'. I hope to see you post there soon.

 

Oh, absolutely. I will never insult unless the first move has been made by another, or if something just absolutely deserves to be insulted, like an argument that's recycled and recycled over and over again despite it being debunked on almost every atheist forum, blog etc.

But please try to keep them as simple as possible; I'm only 13, and will find it hard to keep track of something that utilizes Wikipedia-style vocabulary and phrasing.

 

100% Ashir. You seem like an intelligent thirteen year old. I would very much like to speak to you. I will join the forum tonight - if ALLAAH had willed. I will also give you my forum address. You can always post here in this forum as well- for the benefit of other readers.

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You're only 13 but has been active in forum like this as atheist? Astaghfirullah! Shouldn't you concentrate in learning at school in this certain age?

However,I have an article about Islamic explanation about your issue. Since I don't really follow the first thread and never went to atheist forum,I don't know whether this explanation has been used or not. But please read it:

 

 

PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF Allah (SWT)

TO AN ATHEIST

by Dr. Zakir Naik

 

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first

thing I like to do is to congratulate him and

say, " My special congratulations to you",

because most of the people who believe in

God are doing blind belief - he is a

Christian, because his father is a Christian;

he is a Hindu, because his father is a

Hindu; the majority of the people in the

world are blindly following the religion of

their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand,

even though he may belong to a religious

family, uses his intellect to deny the

existence of God; what ever concept or

qualities of God he may have learnt in his

religion may not seem to be logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me,

"Zakir, why are you congratulating an

atheist?" The reason that I am

congratulating an atheist is because he

agrees with the first part of the Shahada

i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning

‘there is no God’.

So half my job is already done; now the

only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT Allah’

which I shall do Insha Allah. With others

(who are not atheists) I have to first

remove from their minds the wrong concept

of God they may have and then put the

correct concept of one true God.

 

LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD

My first question to the atheist will be:

"What is the definition of God?" For a

person to say there is no God, he should

know what is the meaning of God. If I hold

a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the

opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he

should know what is the definition of a pen,

even if he does not know nor is able to

recognise or identify the object I am

holding in my hand. For him to say this is

not a pen, he should at least know what a

pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say

‘there is no God’, he should at least know

the concept of God. His concept of God

would be derived from the surroundings in

which he lives. The god that a large number

of people worship has got human qualities -

therefore he does not believe in such a

god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and

should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a

merciless religion with something to do with

terrorism; a religion which does not give

rights to women; a religion which

contradicts science; in his limited sense that

non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam.

The problem is he has a wrong picture of

Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of

Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my

duty as a Muslim to present the correct

picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e.

Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal

rights to the women, it is not incompatible

with logic, reason and science; if I present

the correct facts about Islam, that non-

Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods

and the duty of every Muslim is to present

the correct concept of God which he shall

Insha Allah not refuse.

 

QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE

The methods of proving the existence of

God with usage of the material provided in

the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist

may satisfy some but not all.

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for

the existence of God. I agree that today is

the age of science and technology. Let us

use scientific knowledge to kill two birds

with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence

of God and simultaneously prove that the

Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one

in the world has ever seen or heard of

before, is shown to an atheist or any

person and then a question is asked, " Who

is the first person who will be able to

provide details of the mechanism of this

unknown object? After little bit of thinking,

he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’

Some may say ‘the producer’ while others

may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever

answer the person gives, keep it in your

mind, the answer will always be either the

creator, the producer, the manufacturer or

some what of the same meaning, i.e. the

person who has made it or created it. Don’t

grapple with words, whatever answer he

gives, the meaning will be same, therefore

accept it.

 

THEORY OF PROBABILITY

In mathematics there is a theory known as

‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two

options, out of which one is right, and one

is wrong, the chances that you will chose

the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two

will be correct. You have 50% chances of

being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin

the chances that your guess will be correct

is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a

coin the second time, the chances that you

will be correct in the second toss is again

50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will

be correct in both the tosses is half

multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal

to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to

25%. If you toss a coin the third time,

chances that you will be correct all three

times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or

50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice

and guess any number between 1 to 6, the

chances that your guess will be correct is

1/6. If you throw the dice the second time,

the chances that your guess will be correct

in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is

equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the

third time, the chances that all your three

guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is

equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to

the Qur’an, and assume that a person has

guessed all the information that is

mentioned in the Qur’an which was

unknown at that time. Let us discuss the

probability of all the guesses being

simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed,

people thought the world was flat, there

are several other options for the shape of

the earth. It could be triangular, it could be

quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal,

heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets

assume there are about 30 different options

for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an

rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess

the chances of the guess being correct is

1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light

or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says

it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the

chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and

the probability that both the guesses i.e the

earth is spherical and the light of the moon

is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every

living thing is made of water. Every living

thing can be made up of either wood,

stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold,

oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water,

cement, concrete, etc. The options are say

about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that

everything is made up of water. If it is a

guess, the chances that it will be correct is

1/10,000 and the probability of all the

three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical,

light of moon is reflected light and

everything is created from water being

correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000

which is equal to about .0017%.

The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things

that were not known to men at the time of

its revelation. Only in three options the

result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to

work out the probability if all the hundreds

of the unknown facts were guesses, the

chances of all of them being correct guesses

simultaneously and there being not a single

wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity

to make all correct guesses without a single

mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to

a logical person that the origin of the

Qur’an is Divine.

 

CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN

The only logical answer to the question as

to who could have mentioned all these

scientific facts 1400 years ago before they

were discovered, is exactly the same

answer initially given by the atheist or any

person, to the question who will be the first

person who will be able to tell the

mechanism of the unknown object. It is the

‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer

of the whole universe and its contents. In

the English language He is ‘God’, or more

appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘Allah’.

 

QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT

SCIENCE

Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a

book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book

of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats.

The Qur’an contains more than 6,000

ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than

a thousand speak about Science. I am not

trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word

of God using scientific knowledge as a yard

stick because any yardstick is supposed to

be more superior than what is being

checked or verified. For us Muslims the

Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge

right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick

which is more superior to scientific

knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist,

scientific knowledge is the ultimate test

which he believes in. We do know that

science many a times takes ‘U’ turns,

therefore I have restricted the examples

only to scientific facts which have sufficient

proof and evidence and not scientific

theories based on assumptions. Using the

ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying

to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word

of God and it contains the scientific

knowledge which is his yardstick which was

discovered recently, while the Qur’an was

revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the

discussion, we both come to the same

conclusion that God though superior to

science, is not incompatible with it.

 

SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF

GOD BUT NOT GOD

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has

rightly said that a little knowledge of

science makes man an atheist, but an in-

depth study of science makes him a believer

in God. Scientists today are eliminating

models of God, but they are not eliminating

God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is

La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with

a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a

capital ‘G’).

Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the

(farthest) regions (of the earth), and in

their own souls, until it becomes manifest

to them that this is the Truth. Is it not

enough that thy Lord doth witness all

things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]

 

 

If you want to know more about science in Quran and Islam, go to : http://scienceislam.com

I hope you will be enlighted by this. Feel free to comment or ask :)

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Yes, and yes. Problem?

 

I explained quite clearly that I would like to deal with all arguments slowly, bit by bit. I do not have the time to rebuke against all of that. Please present your arguments gradually as then I will have the time to debate it.

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And also I'd like to make clear that if I get as much as a warning from the moderators for something that either I have not done or should be allowed to do, I will be leaving this forum completely. I am fed up with the over-restrictive rules of religious forums that do not enable me to get my point across, and several people who are now banned have told me that they have been banned for something they did not do. If you would like to debate freely, message me and I will provide a link to an atheist forum where unless you are an obvious troll, or overly insulting, you will not be banned.

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Yes, and yes. Problem?

 

I explained quite clearly that I would like to deal with all arguments slowly, bit by bit. I do not have the time to rebuke against all of that. Please present your arguments gradually as then I will have the time to debate it.

 

I just told you that someone at your young age should concentrate on study,not something like this. Because your knowledge is still not perfect, at least in general knowledge. You may not understand some explanations here because they still haven't taught at your school. I am not a psychologist so I don't know how to explain all of this in a language that teenager will understand. So I highly recommend you to come back again a few years laters,at least when you are 18 or have reached adulthood. But if you insist,I will try to explain it anyway and take your own risk.

Firstly,have you read my article above? I can't debate unless you read it. It is not that long, I only need several minutes to read it. How come you refuse an explanation before even read it?If you are too busy to read it,save it for later when you have spare time. If you are too lazy to read it,then don't expect a debate.

Secondly,if you believe so much in atheist forum,why did you bother to come here?I hope you are not coming for another reason but to learn and share.

Thirdly,this forum has rules and it is your duty to obey it as member or get banned. Don't compare this forum with atheist forum,because it will never been the same. The purpose of this forum is to spread Islam peacefully and we do not wish anybody to insult or attack us on our own forum,so don't expect a free-style debate here.You should read the rules before registering.

That's it from me. Hope you will understand

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I just told you that someone at your young age should concentrate on study,not something like this. Because your knowledge is still not perfect, at least in general knowledge. You may not understand some explanations here because they still haven't taught at your school. I am not a psychologist so I don't know how to explain all of this in a language that teenager will understand. So I highly recommend you to come back again a few years laters,at least when you are 18 or have reached adulthood. But if you insist,I will try to explain it anyway and take your own risk.

Firstly,have you read my article above? I can't debate unless you read it. It is not that long, I only need several minutes to read it. How come you refuse an explanation before even read it?If you are too busy to read it,save it for later when you have spare time. If you are too lazy to read it,then don't expect a debate.

Secondly,if you believe so much in atheist forum,why did you bother to come here?I hope you are not coming for another reason but to learn and share.

Thirdly,this forum has rules and it is your duty to obey it as member or get banned. Don't compare this forum with atheist forum,because it will never been the same. The purpose of this forum is to spread Islam peacefully and we do not wish anybody to insult or attack us on our own forum,so don't expect a free-style debate here.You should read the rules before registering.

That's it from me. Hope you will understand

 

No one's knowledge is perfect. If you think so, you are a fool.

I think my 'general knowledge' surpasses yours in a good few cases, as will yours to mine.

A language a teenager will understand? Understand this; I am not a normal teenager. I am abnormally bright for my age and have gotten some of the highest grades achievable. You can be confident that a lot of what an ordinary teenager wouldn't understand, I will.

No, but I appreciate your belittling assertion advice.

Take my own risk? What risk am I taking?

I barely have spare time though. Not enough to write a decent rebuke to all of that. Feel free to copy small texts from it and continually post it until I have eaten through it all, but otherwise it will not be responded to.

I am here for these reasons;

1. To be enlightened.

2. If this is not possible, which is highly likely, to enlighten others.

3. Because I said I would in the previous thread, and I stay true to my word.

 

Since the majority of people in an atheist forum are atheists, I do not encounter points of God's existence. I want to look at both sides of the argument. How else can the truth be garnered but by examining both sides rather than accepting one and shunning the other?

I care about the truth and it's spread, nothing else.

I will insult if insulted or belittled. This is what I do not expect a punishment for. And if I receive one, I believe that a valid reason to turn on my promise.

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Yeah,I know you will AVOID that. Maybe you are afraid of the truth? :D

Then ask for someone else to play with you, as I have no time but for someone who is serious to learn about Islam.

You must know that this is not your forum,you can't make rules and expect anyone to obey. You can't expect other members to agree to your condition while you DISAGREE TO THEIR CONDITIONS. So,until you have time to read that article,I won't bother to reply here.

I hope you will learn from that

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Yeah,I know you will AVOID that. Maybe you are afraid of the truth? :D

Then ask for someone else to play with you, as I have no time but for someone who is serious to learn about Islam.

You must know that this is not your forum,you can't make rules and expect anyone to obey. You can't expect other members to agree to your condition while you DISAGREE TO THEIR CONDITIONS. So,until you have time to read that article,I won't bother to reply here.

I hope you will learn from that

 

You couldn't be further from the truth.

 

Haha, I'm sorry, I don't recall asking you in particular to come to this thread? You didn't even make a good first impression.

When did I even suggest that it is?

Unfortunately, your conditions conflict with mine, so the solution pretty obviously should have been you don't post here in the first place if you weren't going to accept them and abide by your own. I make the rules to what and what not I read and respond to.

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No one's knowledge is perfect. If you think so, you are a fool.

 

 

I hope that there will be no more insults. Respect each other when you discuss/debate.

 

Take care.

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That question is obviously loaded, so if you would like me to address it please post it in the Non-Islamic Q&A under my thread 'How do you know that Allah exists?'.

 

i have a question for you

 

Do you believe that non-thinking nature can create a natural engine with 40 parts wich use fuel to move?

 

dont talk about irreducible complexity to me beacuse if you start with it i will put another question like:

 

who had rotating propellers before engines in bacteria and spermcells?

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Yes, I believe that nature can create wonderful, intricate things, if those things are given the time to develop.

 

What? I don't understand that last question, please rephrase.

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Yes, I believe that nature can create wonderful, intricate things, if those things are given the time to develop.

 

What? I don't understand that last question, please rephrase.

 

you have said enough :rolleyes:

 

explain how can non-thinking nature create a natural engine with 40 parts wich use fuel to move?

 

How can someone who has no brain or intelect put bricks on correct places or even more complex like natural engine.

 

atheists are really illogical people when they can believe such thing.

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I'm not an evolutionary biologist, but pick up any book about evolution and you have your answer. Given enough time to develop, I will repeat, simple organisms can develop into incredibly complex organisms.

Let me guess, then you're going to say, who made those organisms? I don't know. I don't know how the universe was created either since I have not yet evaluated the evidence for any theories of creation other than religion, and I was displeased. Not knowing something gives you no reason to attribute it to a divine being. If I do not know something I accept that the human race is too primitive to provide me with that information at this time, or possibly forever. I don't say 'Hey, it must have been God/Unicorns/Fairies' in order to fill in the gaps. But anyway, I've been told evolution explains how the first organisms came to being, and that it has evidence for it. If I were you I would not dear to lie that you've looked for it, but there isn't, because if I find there is, I'd not trust creationist statements too much. Despite what you say, I do not believe you've looked for it and found nothing, and will not until I myself look for it and find it. So if you do say you've read a book on evolution which has not presented evidence for evolution or an explanation of how the first organisms formed, please provide the title of the book.

 

What? Please, speak as clearly as you can, it's hard to understand you. Use correct grammar, punctuation and spelling please. This is not an informal debate.

 

Really? Or are you illogical, for not accepting that there are some things you don't know instead of referring to supernatural beings in order to fill in the gaps and make you feel like you know everything?

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I'm not an evolutionary biologist, but pick up any book about evolution and you have your answer. Given enough time to develop, I will repeat, simple organisms can develop into incredibly complex organisms.

Let me guess, then you're going to say, who made those organisms? I don't know. I don't know how the universe was created either since I have not yet evaluated the evidence for any theories of creation other than religion, and I was displeased. Not knowing something gives you no reason to attribute it to a divine being. If I do not know something I accept that the human race is too primitive to provide me with that information at this time, or possibly forever. I don't say 'Hey, it must have been God/Unicorns/Fairies' in order to fill in the gaps. But anyway, I've been told evolution explains how the first organisms came to being, and that it has evidence for it. If I were you I would not dear to lie that you've looked for it, but there isn't, because if I find there is, I'd not trust creationist statements too much. Despite what you say, I do not believe you've looked for it and found nothing, and will not until I myself look for it and find it. So if you do say you've read a book on evolution which has not presented evidence for evolution or an explanation of how the first organisms formed, please provide the title of the book.

 

What? Please, speak as clearly as you can, it's hard to understand you. Use correct grammar, punctuation and spelling please. This is not an informal debate.

 

Really? Or are you illogical, for not accepting that there are some things you don't know instead of referring to supernatural beings in order to fill in the gaps and make you feel like you know everything?

 

son, you have to learn much much more before getting into debate here...if you get into a debate unprepared with arguments you will be eaten alive here intelectually.

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I wait to be 'eaten alive' then. You still haven't provided evidence. I need no knowledge of evolution, nor religion, nor much of science, to win a debate that revolves around the use of rationality.

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I wait to be 'eaten alive' then. You still haven't provided evidence. I need no knowledge of evolution, nor religion, nor much of science, to win a debate that revolves around the use of rationality.

 

ok, tell me now

 

Tell me how can non-thinking nature create machine with 40 parts joined on correct places.

 

flagellum.jpg

 

what is evolutionary mechanism wich gives instructions to different parts of the engine so they can join on correct places so the engine can work normally?

 

 

 

it is like saying, this is created by itself...

Ultimate-LEGO-Building-Set003.png

 

if you say nonsence

 

tell me how can it be that natural engine with 40 parts are on correct places without any inteligence/creator.

while those toy bricks cant create a house wihtout any inteligence/creator.

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SubhanALLAH AlhamdulilAH for being a muslim

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ok, tell me now

 

Tell me how can non-thinking nature create machine with 40 parts joined on correct places.

 

flagellum.jpg

 

what is evolutionary mechanism wich gives instructions to different parts of the engine so they can join on correct places so the engine can work normally?

 

 

 

it is like saying, this is created by itself...

Ultimate-LEGO-Building-Set003.png

 

if you say nonsence

 

tell me how can it be that natural engine with 40 parts are on correct places without any inteligence/creator.

while those toy bricks cant create a house wihtout any inteligence/creator.

 

It is sad that even after I have rebuked against your argument you recycle it. Expected, but still sad. I have already provided an answer, and I will not enter a cycle of constantly repeating myself. Nice dodge, though.

Toy bricks are different to nature. They are molded into one position and will remain in that position until they are destroyed. Please provide accurate analogies.

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What sort of evidence do you expect? I personally believe God exists. I feel a super human is governing this universe. This is my feeling, but I do not know how I shall explain you this feeling to you.

 

 

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I dont know how much you ll be satisfied by the answer, but its my duty, dont mind if i talk abt universe, its different perception:

My questions to you...

 

1. How and when did you come to know about the universe? Maybe by reading books/magazines etc by scientists who discovered it some 100 yrs back in perfect details. How come Universe is mentioned in those perfect details in the Quran 1400 years back? Who wrote it back then?

 

2. How did you know moon gets light from sun? Maybe again from scientific books... How is it mentioned in the Quran 1400 yrs ago then about the moon having artificial light? Even Bible doesnt say it. Who wrote it back then?

 

3. How did you know earth is spherical? It was proved in 1597 only. How come 1400 years back it is revealed in Quran that earth is spherical? Who wrote it back then?

 

4. How did you know sun and other planets travel in own axis and own orbits? Again you would have read it in your books. How does this fact appear in Quran 1400 years ago? Who wrote it back then?

 

5. How did you know our Universe is expanding? Again through science right? How does Quran say this 1400 years back? Who wrote it back then?

 

6. When did you learn that water evaporates and then rain pours down? Maybe in your school,. How does Quran talk about this ? There are 100s of versus about this in the Holy Quran. Who wrote it back then?

 

7. Where did you learn that Mountains prevent earth from shaking? In Geography? How is it mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago? Who wrote it back then?

 

8. Prophet Muhammed used to tell that there would come a time when Women will dress like men, and there would be homosexuality, murder, extra marital affairs, greediness for money etc. Now you are living in that era. How Prophet knew back then? Do you think he would have travelled through time machine or sometihing? Who would have told him? He was an illiterate Human.

 

There are 100s of more examples... Now please tell me who was that INTELLIGENT human who wrote all these things 1400 years back when people dint know what technology was? I am not proving you through science but answer me Who was that Author (who knew it who knew everthing) ??? I want that name of your scientist whom you think wrote all this if you dont believe in God.

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I am a devout atheist but can't explain why the moon is exactly the right size, and gets positioned so precisely between the Earth and the sun, that total solar eclipses are perfect. It bothers me. -Gene Weingarten, "Me, in a Nutshell"

 

From the way some people talk you'd think only believers experience doubts. In actual fact only believers dare talk about it. We are, I think, generally seen as dangerous leeches it's not safe to express misgivings around for fear of being buried beneath an endless deluge of pamphlets.

 

Until the article I'm writing on is finished (and it's one of about three or four pages for my site I'm working on right now so I can't predict when that will be) there's not much to say at the moment. I just really wanted to share that quote.

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