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Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi

As the topic suggest " Is it innocence of Muslims or it should be Innocence of Christians "

 

Lets see who are innocent

 

Psalm 104:5
King James Version (KJV)
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Ecclesiastes 1:5
King James Version (KJV)
The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

 

                                 Here are few famous biblical quotes which when defended shook the foundations of church in early 16th century .the first scientific discovery which was discovered by Galileo. Galileo was awarded with life time house arrest by the church for his infamous discovery and thus church and their absurd bible was put on trial here after. Poor Galileo screamed to save the church but church was in no mood to pay heed and started do dig its own grave.

 

                               The year of Galileo dead witnessed yet another birth of legend named Sir Isaac Newton .His famous quotes were

 

                                      “Worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin' "

 

                               Furthermore he was a Nicodemite ,his papers which were published after 27 years of his dead gave a clear proof for tampering of the bible .He clearly mention in his papers that the verse about trinity was a concoctions and interpolation which were later deleted from the bible .actually this era witnessed innumerous attacks on the bible .for the sake of time and length of this article I am restricting myself to prominent people .

 

So as science gradually developed innocent Christians came to know about the biblical frauds.

 

Amidst, these confusions, their emerged a   serious question among the learned people .The question was

 

If bible is a fraud, what is the solution for our existence .Sea of humanity exists in front of their eye without the knowledge of its creator!

                            As a answer, came Darwin with his another absurd theory which marked the clear cut downfall of bible and scientific world threw bible in dust bin .Thus Bible deceived innocent Christians with regards to science who were beliving it to be a word God till then.

 

                           

 

                           Abraham Lincoln, another prominent Christian of that time changed to deist .Yet another Christian who thought that bible clearly deceived Christians. He takes the reputation of being first the American president to be assassinated .He was assassinated by the church for interfering in church matters and abolishing cruel church slavery.

 

 

 

                          Once again their bible deceived innocent Christians in political  .

 

                         

 

 

                             And thus, since bible betrayed innocent Christians in every aspect of life, like  a innocent child looking at his mother, Christians were staring at church for solutions for these problems .A man named Eugenio Pacelli  together with a powerful fanatic Christian named Adolf Hitler devised a fool proof plan in the name of concordant which successfully diverted Christians form the short comings of  bible in the world war II .The man named l Eugenio Pacelli was promoted as pope for his services to the Christianity. And thus bible was completely thrown into the gutters .The present day cristianity is nothing but “Jesus loves you” and conjurers like Ben Haden (I cannot elaborate this part due the length of this article)

 

 

 

                              Before concluding, I want to mention about few countries who are still following bible.

 

Firstly, Philippines, four out of ten children born in here are illegitimate!

 

 

 

I am not joking, this is a fact.

OR At least by this link

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/lifestyle/10/20/11/4-10-babies-born-ph-illegitimate-nso

Philippines, being a church ruled country use of contraceptive and divorce is banned

The result is illiteracy and unintended pregnancy

It is estimated that about 3.4 million births per annum are unintended

See how bible is deceiving the innocent christens even today

And Btw , what happened to moral ,The most minimum thing expected from a religion is moral .even in this bible failed

And they call us we are innocent , lol

 

 

 

One more country which was in news recently was Ireland

 

 

                           It is evident that the death of  savitha Halappanavar caused by the abortion laws made by the church . Can bible be held responsible for the death of innocent people. Is it not barbaric to kill the innocent people in the name of religion .can the church will ever answer this .can church will accept that bible is outdated can the laws in phllipaines and ireland  be changed to suit the modern times

Who is innocent here .Muslims or Christians

 

 

On the other hand , even today Islamic laws can be modified to suit our times 

I have to end here due to the length of this article

Insha Allah .I may continue with this topic ,because i feel we have to talk lot more regarding the countries like Philippines and ireland .

 

Jazak Allah

 

Regards

Mushtaq

Edited by parvez mushtaq

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Salams

 

In  Continuation .........

 

See how people are rejecting bible here

 

and see how church in inducing bible forcefully on people

 

see the hypocrisy of church

 

watch this video

 

watchdocumentary.org/watch/101-east-til-death-do-us-part-video_825b60eb8.html ( if in case above click dose not work , pl copy past this link)

 

Romans 7:1 Can it be that you do not know, brothers, (for I am speaking to those who know law,) that the Law is master over a man as long as he lives? 2 For instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is alive; but if her husband dies, she is discharged from the law of her husband. 3 So, then, while her husband is living, she would be styled an adulteress if she became another man’s. But if her husband dies, she is free from his law, so that she is not an adulteress if she becomes another man’s.

 

 

It is amazing that church or bible allows people to live without marriage but cannot allow them to in moral values

 

lol

 

this is their bible !

pathetic, innocent people !still believing in bible !!

Edited by parvez mushtaq

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Well. At this point in time an Atheist needs to stand up for both Islam and Christianity. 

 

Horrific things, have happened over the last 2000 years in the name of Christ.

If you are to define Christianity by the short comings of it's followers, you must, to be fair, apply the same logic to Islam, and define it by the acts of extremists in the name of Allah. 

 

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. If your logic is sound - so is theres... 

 

One must make a distinction between 'the religion' and 'the religious'. 

 

In my posts regarding 'Religion and Chauvinism' I attempted to make the distinction.

Christianity can not let itself down. It's followers can. 

 

Religion breads chauvinism. Just like any other collective groups of people.

 

Let me place in a sporting logic:

 

Rugby is not dangerous - until people start playing! 

  :yes:

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Well. At this point in time an Atheist needs to stand up for both Islam and Christianity. 

 

Horrific things, have happened over the last 2000 years in the name of Christ.

If you are to define Christianity by the short comings of it's followers, you must, to be fair, apply the same logic to Islam, and define it by the acts of extremists in the name of Allah. 

Salams

 

Pl note that i am not talking about crusaders or any religious wars

If you are pointing towards terrorism

then , i must say ,no one ,in the present juncture is fighting to establish their religion 

all types of terrorists activities going on today is purely political

for example,what ever is happening in Kashmir  or in Afghanistan or any part of the world is not religious

those people are fighting for their right to exits.They may correct or they may be wrong but what ever be the reason it is not religious

my point is these wars are not to establish the rule of GOD .

 

 

 

Christianity can not let itself down. It's followers can. 

 

Now you got it correct

this what i was trying to explain

From Galileo to present day Philippines ,CHRISTIANITY has let its followers(Christians) down 

and church wants to hide this open naked truth and each time it has failed bitterly.

but on the other hand ,even today ,Islamic laws are ruling the world

note my word "ruling the world" .I am saying this because ,even today ,immaterial of the country ,Muslims are living by their laws  .

But ,if you want to follow bible today ,then you must live like Amish

 

 

 

Religion breads chauvinism. Just like any other collective groups of people.

 

 

Yes you are correct .

But tell me about your world

A nonreligious world - the other description of world today - or a hypocritical world

being living in non Islamic country , i can best describe your world

ever mind to see how many cases are pending in the court of law

or did you ever mind to ponder about the justice (read this study)

On the other hand , you might have read just now on this page Islam never allows injustice and even today we can deduce laws

now tell me , chauvinism for better living is better or not

 

Regards

 

Mushtaq

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Hi Mushtaq, 

 

The wars may not be to establish the name of God. However, there are atrocities in the world committed in the name of Allah, just as there have been atrocities in the world in the name of Christ. This is not the religion. It is the followers (some of - not all). I don't think you could seriously claim there are no atrocities in the name of Allah - or claim all Muslims are perfect? 

 

Before answering. It is worth noting that I think a lot of Christians and Muslims, that kill in the name of their God, are not true to their faith. They hide behind their religion and are a parasite to other followers. I say this as it is often the good people that are blamed when the 'faith' or 'religious group' are blamed as a whole for a minorities actions. 

 

In regards to my position as a Atheist (you asked): 

 

  1. I believe we should be treated equal. I believe that if God / Allah were true - they would support this. 
  2. I believe we should strive to improve ourselves and the lives of people we come in contact with. 
  3. I believe we should be vocal and objective towards any group that places a hierarchy on humans based on their colour, religion or sex. Or people that try to limit the freedoms above. 
  4. I believe we should respect all living things and that there is 'never' justification for killing another human being (whether Islamic Law, Secular Law or retaliation). I understand this conflicts with Islam. 
  5. I believe that all people should be free to voice there opinions, practice the religion of their choice and go about there daily life without interference from other group. 

There many reasons I don't believe in Allah/God - but that is another topic. However, I can spend my like making sure I make the world a better place where I am involved. That I leave all people better of after coming in to their lives and that I spend some of my life defending the people that are unable to defend themselves. 

 

Fish2000

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Hi Mushtaq, 

 

The wars may not be to establish the name of God. However, there are atrocities in the world committed in the name of Allah, just as there have been atrocities in the world in the name of Christ. This is not the religion. It is the followers (some of - not all). I don't think you could seriously claim there are no atrocities in the name of Allah - or claim all Muslims are perfect? 

 

Before answering. It is worth noting that I think a lot of Christians and Muslims, that kill in the name of their God, are not true to their faith. They hide behind their religion and are a parasite to other followers. I say this as it is often the good people that are blamed when the 'faith' or 'religious group' are blamed as a whole for a minorities actions. 

Salams

 

Hi Fish

 

Atrocities in the name of GOD ! AH

Do you really want to know about your law ,I mean atheist Law

Current world is running under your Laws ,Fish

I think you are not aware of it

Now let me show you what atrocities are

Can you recognize this boy

article-2281246-17ACD3AF000005DC-811_634

 

He is the son of late LTTE leader Prabhakaran

Do you know what happened to him moments later

this is what happened.He was brutally shot to dead .

article-2281246-17C25B0B000005DC-984_634

 

This is what all about your secular laws

His crime was nothing but he was the son of Prabhakaran

And , this is the day to day event of Afghanistan

only difference is these things were never brought into lime light

want see the glimpse of those events

Afghan-residents-with-bod-007.jpg

 

now tell me who is killing whom (click)

I know there will be inquiry which never answers anything and after few days we will all forget them .

 

Note : If the administrator thinks these pictures are very disturbing ,pl delete them , but this is the reality .

 

I am not blaming the Sirlankan army or the US soldier

the real culprit was non religious laws

atheists Laws

 

Lets see the religious laws now

Click on this link

On the day of conquest of Mecca ,Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) thought us how to behave when war is won

Can you see this images

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See the difference between Islamic law and atheists laws

Such was our leader

he illustrated everything that GOD had commanded

And such a leader is being mocked by Christians goons who meekly submitted their laws to people like Hitler.

 

 

In regards to my position as a Atheist (you asked): 

 

Lol , Do you know some thing Fish , I don't believe in Atheists

Mark my words ,I said "Atheist" Not atheism

Btw, Can you answer my Unanswered question Even after 124000 Views i am yet a get a challenging reply 

 

 

 

  1. I believe we should be treated equal. I believe that if God / Allah were true - they would support this. 
  2. I believe we should strive to improve ourselves and the lives of people we come in contact with. 
  3. I believe we should be vocal and objective towards any group that places a hierarchy on humans based on their colour, religion or sex. Or people that try to limit the freedoms above. 
  4. I believe we should respect all living things and that there is 'never' justification for killing another human being (whether Islamic Law, Secular Law or retaliation). I understand this conflicts with Islam. 
  5. I believe that all people should be free to voice there opinions, practice the religion of their choice and go about there daily life without interference from other group.

 

 Wow , this like Obama talking .Fish ,all this goody ,goody words are nothing but BIG words that all !

Pl don't give sermons

The reality is what you have seen above

This is your secular ,democratic laws all about

Pl Grow up and face the reality .

 

..................I can spend my like making sure I make the world a better place where I am involved. That I leave all people better of after coming in to their lives and that I spend some of my life defending the people that are unable to defend themselves. 

 

Fish2000

 

 

 

World is being ruled by Non religious laws

now how can you expect to be better place

Just tell me one good thing that has happened to humanity by your non religious laws

every thing is a failure , your education system , your economics ,legislation ,political ....every thing has failed ,Fish

The real beauty is , Christians are the one who are making this laws .LOL

 

Regards

 

 

Mushtaq

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Hi Mushtaq,

 

I'll keep my reply to this short. And give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

You posted a photo of a dead child, who is maybe 10 years old and has been shot dead. 


 

I am not blaming the Sirlankan army or the US soldier

the real culprit was non religious laws

atheists Laws

 

No. No and No! 

You are defending the murderer. 

 

The person to blame is the person who pulled the trigger or instructed the killing (assuming it was intentional). 

You cannot say it is the fault of not having Islamic Law. You need to sit down and rethink your views. 

 

If someone showed me a picture of a 10 year old girl with her head cut off and said this is what happens when you have Islamic Law, I would venomously denounce that view. Opinions such as this do not come from healthy minds. 

 

I don't care if you respond in anger or try to 'refute' me.

Happy if everyone in the world disagrees with me. I am thick skinned.

 

But in the kindest possible way, please spend a little time reflecting on your post. 

 

Fish2000

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On a happier note :D

 

I'll followed your link (to your other question). It takes me to another post so I'll reply there once I've read the other replies. 

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Hi Mushtaq,

 

I'll keep my reply to this short. And give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

You posted a photo of a dead child, who is maybe 10 years old and has been shot dead. 

Salams Fish

 

It is really amazing that you dont know about this news

This is a real hype here

Note the partiality of media

Do you even know about LTTE

I doubt

But if ask you about Taliban of lashkara e  touiba , i think you will write paragraphs about them .

One interesting point here is they are not Muslims

i think that is why media is least bothered  about it

One more point i want to make is ,. Prabhakaran who is a terrorists in SL .he is regarded as hero here

If some one in Tamil Nadu  talks against prabhakaran then he is termed as traitor to Tamil

And no one can dare to talk against Prabahkran or LTTE

 

 

 

No. No and No! 

You are defending the murderer. 

 

The person to blame is the person who pulled the trigger or instructed the killing (assuming it was intentional). 

You cannot say it is the fault of not having Islamic Law. You need to sit down and rethink your views. 

 

If someone showed me a picture of a 10 year old girl with her head cut off and said this is what happens when you have Islamic Law, I would venomously denounce that view. Opinions such as this do not come from healthy minds.

 

 

I Think you have misunderstood me ,Fish

Never in my life i will defend a murderer

Before giving answer to your post , i wanted to tell you about my friend who happened to be soldier

He was bit patriotic ,So he Joined army

Since he could not withstand even in the training period  he just came running off

According to him , He was made to wash tree trunks  in the jungle!

life was made so miserable ,at some point , during his training ,he wanted to end his life 

Luckily , he got TB and he was thrown out the army

this is the way they train the soldier

if he had continued with his training under  so much tough conditions  what you expect from him

Human heart ?

thank GOD he left training otherwise he would have became an animal

Just imagine an animal with lethal weapons

a human becomes an animal after undergoing his training as a soldier

His promotion is judged by the degree of animal he got within him

Now tell me who is making a man to behave as an animal

religion

Islam

Or unIslamic ,non religious policies that are ruling the world these days

now tell me whom is to be blamed

the man who killed that boy

or the trainer who trained him

or the system we are living in

Hope you might have understood me know

 

The root cause is your non religious laws and not the soldier

 

You are seeing the  soldier but i am seeing the things which made him to behave like an animal

Yours is a impulse reaction

but if you think for a movement you will realize it was not the soldier .

 

Regards

 

 

Mushtaq

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Salams Fish

 

It is really amazing that you dont know about this news

This is a real hype here

Note the partiality of media

Do you even know about LTTE

I doubt

But if ask you about Taliban of lashkara e  touiba , i think you will write paragraphs about them .

One interesting point here is they are not Muslims

i think that is why media is least bothered  about it

One more point i want to make is ,. Prabhakaran who is a terrorists in SL .he is regarded as hero here

If some one in Tamil Nadu  talks against prabhakaran then he is termed as traitor to Tamil

And no one can dare to talk against Prabahkran or LTTE

 

Hi Mushtaq,

 

I am familiar with the LTTE.

It makes no different to me if they are Muslims or non-Mulsims. 

 

I Think you have misunderstood me ,Fish

Never in my life i will defend a murderer

Before giving answer to your post , i wanted to tell you about my friend who happened to be soldier

He was bit patriotic ,So he Joined army

Since he could not withstand even in the training period  he just came running off

According to him , He was made to wash tree trunks  in the jungle!

life was made so miserable ,at some point , during his training ,he wanted to end his life 

Luckily , he got TB and he was thrown out the army

this is the way they train the soldier

if he had continued with his training under  so much tough conditions  what you expect from him

Human heart ?

thank GOD he left training otherwise he would have became an animal

Just imagine an animal with lethal weapons

a human becomes an animal after undergoing his training as a soldier

His promotion is judged by the degree of animal he got within him

Now tell me who is making a man to behave as an animal

religion

Islam

Or unIslamic ,non religious policies that are ruling the world these days

now tell me whom is to be blamed

the man who killed that boy

or the trainer who trained him

or the system we are living in

Hope you might have understood me know

 

The root cause is your non religious laws and not the soldier

 

You are seeing the  soldier but i am seeing the things which made him to behave like an animal

Yours is a impulse reaction

but if you think for a movement you will realize it was not the soldier

 

I can understand where you are coming from however there are conflicts all over the world. Some are influenced by religious beliefs and some are not. You cannot blame non-religion for the violence unless you are also going to blame religion for the violence when it is a motivator. Keeping the religion aside - there are too many people that will kill in the name of their cause, country or allegiance.

 

now tell me whom is to be blamed

the man who killed that boy

or the trainer who trained him

or the system we are living in

Hope you might have understood me know

 

The root cause is your non religious laws and not the soldier

 

First; blame must rest on the man that killed the boy. I have no respect for a person who hides behind a country or cause and then kills a child. If you are man enough to pick up the gun then you are man enough to take responsibility for your actions. 

 

I think you are wrong - if you claim non-religion as the cause then use the same logic (your logic - not mine) - blame Islam for the actions of the suicide bombers. Blame Islam for the killing of the children when a Muslim blows up a market place. Blame the Christian God for the deaths of children and persecution of blacks when the killers hid behind their faith...

 

I dont blame Allah. I dont blame God. I don't blame the non belief of God/Allah.  

 

I blame the people that are responsible.

I blame the leaders that insight violence.

I don't excuse them and blame their faith. 

 

Fish2000 - where is my bowl! 

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      “The thing about the attacker though, the Muslim community had been saying this guy is crazy, we’re worried about him, he doesn’t represent us. At the Quebec shooting this week, the attacker was called a ‘lone wolf’. Well Man Haron Monis was our lone wolf.”

      She says that in Australia, Muslims make up 2% of the population but take up 30-40% of the media coverage, while in Ireland, about 1% of the population is Muslim and half a percent is covered in the media.

      “I think the history of terrorism in the north means Ireland can contextualise a national crisis a bit better than most.”

      Hijabs used as political props



      In traditional Muslim cultures, both men and women covered their bodies. It later evolved so that it was reserved only for upper class women. This then eventually spread out to all families as a symbol of culture and identity in the 18th century.

      “Europeans argued that the veil, of the hijab emancipated women,” Woodlock says. “But ironically, people like Lord Cromer who were arguing that these women needed to be set free, were also opposing the suffragette movement in America.”

      In the Ottoman empire, women were a representation of the Muslim world; the Hijab was seen as the last barrier of defence. “So the veil took on a political current that it wouldn’t have had in previous eras.”

      Even more so now – with burkini bans in France causing a debate over how to deal with the fear of terrorism and a recent ruling by a Swedish High Court that means Muslim girls must learn to swim with boys as part of their education, the issue of how to make room for tradition in a modern setting is becoming more and more tricky.

      “Most Muslim women in the west chose to wear a hijab as part of their identity – it’s not a fundamentalist act,” says Woodlock.

      It’s a part of the religion and there are a lot of different meanings to it, but it all gets collapsed into one symbol of religion.

      Muslim mother teach her daughter reading koran inside the Masjid. Source: Shutterstock/leolintang

      “It’s the woman who wants to wear this,” says Brigid. “When you actually wear it then you realise the benefits.

      “As well as fulfilling the religious requirements, for me I’ve gained more confidence when I speak, they’re not looking at me at what my hair is like, what my body is like, I have an inner confidence.”

      Woodlock recalls donning a veil when she was visiting a Muslim country, and she says it gave her an deeper understanding of why women wear it.

      “I really got a sense of the privacy of it – I feel I’m able to look out at the world and operate in the world without the world intruding on me.

      “But I wouldn’t wear it in the West, as it can create a fear and apprehension.”

      Aylward and Woodlock took part in the only registered event in Ireland to mark World Hijab Day last Wednesday at Waterford Institute of Technology. The an annual global event was set up by New Yorker Nazma Khan in 2013 in order to fight prejudice and discrimination against Muslim women.
      www.thejournal.ie/Islam-hijab-3221552-Feb2017/
    • By Absolute truth
      Matthew 13 presents a very peculiar problem for Christianity, in verse 10-11 it says:

      The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.”

      From this, we learn that the masses were not able to understand Jesus when he spoke, apparently only those who were given the secrets of the kingdom of heaven would be able to understand what Jesus was saying. Who was given that knowledge? Just the twelve disciples. Therefore, according to the New Testament, Jesus went around preaching unintelligible sermons to masses of people (cf. Matthew 13:2, John 6:60), when the only people who could have possibly understood him were only the twelve because they possessed the “secret knowledge”. This however, is a compounded problem, as the secret knowledge (of the kingdom of heaven) that unlocked Jesus’ unintelligible sermons, didn’t seem to work. On more than one occasion the disciples had to stop Jesus and ask him to speak intelligibly to them:

      “The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.” – Luke 18:34.

      So let’s recap. Jesus speaks unintelligibly to the masses. Of the masses, 12 disciples have the “secret knowledge (of the kingdom of heaven)” which would enable them and only them to understand what Jesus was saying. Of these twelve, none of them understood what Jesus was saying according to Luke 18:34, because the meaning of what Jesus was saying was hidden from them. What this means is that Jesus did a lot of talking to a lot of people and no one was able to understand what he was saying. To explain this Monthy Python-esque scenario, I’ve developed a parable of my own:

      Sam is a wealthy king. He called his entire kingdom together and said to the large crowd before him, that behind that door there was a million gold coins. He then invited the crowd to open the door. The crowd rushed to the door and tried opening it. The door was locked! Sam approached his close friends and said, “to unlock the door you need a secret key, I will give each of you a secret key so you may enter the room with a million goal coins!” What Sam did not tell them, was that they keys were fake and would not work. Sam’s friends ran to the door and each of them tried their keys, none of the keys were able to open the door. David, one of Sam’s friends returns to him and says that the keys are not unlocking the door. Sam the wealthy king is surprised, and tells them that he has given the keys for the door and it is their fault the keys are not working.

      Then imagine that 2000 years later there were still people claiming to have that key, with the door still remaining forever locked. That’s exactly the scenario we are left with. What’s the use of giving them secret knowledge that’s supposed to explain what he’s been saying all along, when the knowledge is still hidden from them? You might be saying to yourself, this doesn’t sound right, there must be an explanation. Well, no less than 2 chapters later in Matthew 15:15-16 we read:

      “Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also?”

      In this case, Jesus of all people seems to be surprised that the secret knowledge he gave them (cf. Matthew 13:10-11, Luke 8:9-10), which he then hid from them (Luke 18:34), leaves them still unable to understand what he’s saying. In other words, Jesus is surprised they still don’t understand him, even though he is the one that hid its meaning from them.

      and God knows best.
       
      http://callingchristians.com/2015/06/11/new-testament-inconsistency-the-secrets-of-the-kingdom-of-heaven/
    • By idefender
      As Salamu Alaikum
       
      I wanted everyone to know about a Kickstarter project that just started it is an Islamic Commentary of the Holy Bible project with the first set being the Torah. "The first English commentary set on the Holy Bible from the Islamic perspective from Genesis to Deuteronomy." Please take a look:
       
      http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/804363765/islamic-commentary-on-the-holy-bible-the-torah
       
       
       
       
    • By missjupiter
      Posted GMT 2-29-2012 22:56:9
       
      (AINA) -- Much has been made of the recent discovery in Turkey of a Bible purported to be written in the Aramaic language, 1,500 years ago. The Muslim media, as well as Western media outlets, quickly pounced on this, claiming this Bible contains verses attributed to Jesus Christ, in which Christ predicts the coming of Muhammad. No media outlet has published a facsimile of these verses.
       
      This "Bible" is written on leather in gold letters. The picture of the front cover show inscriptions in Aramaic and a picture of a cross.
       
      For any native speaker of Modern Assyrian (also known as neo-Aramaic), and that would be your average Assyrian today, the inscription is easily read. The bottom inscription, which is the most clearly visible from the published photos, says the following:
       
      Transliteration: b-shimmit maran paish kteewa aha ktawa al idateh d-rabbaneh d-dera illaya b-ninweh b'sheeta d-alpa w-khamshamma d-maran
       
      Translation: In the name of our Lord, this book is written on the hands of the monks of the high monastery in Nineveh, in the 1,500th year of our Lord.
       
      Nineveh is the ancient Assyrian capital and is located in present-day north Iraq, near Mosul.
       
      There are spelling errors that are immediately noticeable.
       
      The first word, b'shimmit maran ("in the name of our Lord"), is erroneously spelled with a 't' instead of a 'd'. The 'd' in Assyrian is the genitive, and it prefixes the word that follows. It should read b-shimma d-maran, not b-shimmit maran (note, the last word of the sentence is correctly spelled d-maran ("of our Lord")).
       
      The first word also contains another spelling error. The correct spelling for "name" in Assyrian is ashma, with the initial 'a' being silent. Therefore, when correctly spelled, 'in the name of our Lord" should be written as b-ashma d-maran.
       
      The word idateh is misspelled, it should end with an 'a', idata. Also the phrase al idateh ("on the hands") is incorrect, it should read b-idata ("by the hands").
       
      The bottom sentence uses the word ktawa ("book") to refer to the book, but in Assyrian the Bible is never referred to as a "book." One says awreta (Old Testament), khdatta (New Testament), or ktawa qaddeesha (holy book). Given this, since no one has seen the inside of this "Bible," we cannot be sure if it is in fact a Bible.
       
      Most significantly, this writing is in Modern Assyrian, which was standardized in the 1840s. The first bible in Modern Assyrian was produced in 1848. If this book were written in 1500 A.D. it should have been written in Classical Assyrian.
       
      It is highly unlikely for monks to make such elementary mistakes. It remains to be seen whether this book is a forgery, or even what kind of book it is.
       
      The bottom inscription also says the book was written in 1500 A.D.. If the book does contain verses predicting the coming of Muhammad, it is no great accomplishment to predict something 870 years after the fact, since Muhammad founded Islam in 630 A.D..
       
      Most media outlets, as well as Muslim and Christian outlets, lead the story with headlines pronouncing "1500 year old Bible predicts the coming of Muhammad" -- without any evidence to support this.
       
      For Muslims, the implications of the headlines are desirable, that Jesus Christ is a Prophet, just like Muhammad, and not the Son of God. According to Al Bawaba, the Turkish culture and tourism minister, Ertugrul Gunay, said "In line with Islamic belief, the Gospel [this Bible] treats Jesus as a human being and not a God. It rejects the ideas of the Holy Trinity and the Crucifixion and reveals that Jesus predicted the coming of the Prophet Mohammed."
       
      Commenting on the errors in the book, Al Bawaba says in another article:
       
      For example, the book says that there are nine heavens and that the tenth is paradise while in Quran they are seven only and claims that Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus without any pain while the Quran story says she got labor pains.
       
       
      According to the gospel, Jesus said to Jewish priests that he is not the Messiah and that the Messiah is Mohammed. This means a denial of the existence of a Messiah, who is in fact Jesus Christ, and makes Jesus and Mohammed seem like they are one and the same person.
       
      The book also contains information that lack historical credibility like the presence of three armies, each made up of 200,000 soldiers, in Palestine whereas the entire population of Palestine 2,000 years ago did not even reach 200,000. In addition, Palestine was occupied by the Romans at the time and it is impossible that Palestine was allowed to have any army or armies of its own.
       
      The last sentence in chapter 217 says that 100 pounds of stones were placed on Christ's body. This confirms that the gospel was written quite recently because the first to use the pound as a unit of weight was the Ottomans in their experiments with Italy and Spain and it was never known during the time of Jesus.
       
      Chapter 20 also stated that the cities of Jerusalem and Nazareth are sea ports.
       
       
      This same article ends with "According to many studies, the gospel attributed to St. Barnabas was written by a European Jew in the Middle Ages who was quite familiar with the Quran and the Gospels. He, thus, mixed facts from here and there and his intentions remain unknown."
       
      But despite the availability of information on this "Bible," most media outlets, Muslims, liberal and secular organizations have portrayed this discovery as something that undermines Christianity, ignoring the many problems with this book and presenting it as virtual fact. In fact, in their zeal to support the anti-Christian narrative, they have withheld or suppressed information questioning the authenticity of this book. For these organizations and individuals, this is another tool in their arsenal for the attack on the foundations of Christian doctrine.
       
      By Peter BetBasoo and Ashur Giwargis
       
      © 2012, Assyrian International News Agency. All Rights Reserved.
       
      http://www.aina.org/news/2012022916569.htm
       
       
       
      If it was written in the "1500th year of our Lord" (1500 A.D.) how can it be 1500 years old? It is sad that some will commit fraud just to defame one religion to try to win converts through such deceptive means. Muslims should condemn such forgeries because they only make Muslims look bad and they are harmful to non-Muslims who may convert under such false 'evidence' then come out of Islam or become atheists and Islamphobes.
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