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“Moreover I cannot see why fasting is mandated. We should be able to do it as we feel led to. As far as visiting Mecca, that makes no sense to me and I would feel like I am making an idol out of a place and an object when God is already closer to me than my veins. So I don't qualify here either.

 

The distinction Islam has from other religions is that we don't work on our own schedule or whim when it comes to religion. We work on God's. This is why we have 5 obligatory daily prayers that are spread out throughout the day. So that we won't spend our day heedless of God except when it's convenient for us to remember him. They're like short appointments with him, to renew our faith and to cleanse our hearts.

 

Fasting is also one of these things that work on God's schedule. I could mention the reasons why fasting benefits the believer, but ultimately, "we should be able to do it as we feel" isn't a concept that works in Islam. We are the creation. God is the one who should be able to choose for us. Religion isn't about the convenience of the creation, but the will of the creator.

 

And as for Makkah, you say that going to a place to worship God is liking making an idol out of it. Do you consider going to church to be idol-worship? Because surely church has a significance for you as a Christian, even though God is already closer to you than your veins.

 

Salam.

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Does anybody know what happened to sister Celeste?

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To Gilito:


  1. Here are 10 answers for you:
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  3. Do you think it is fine to beat your wife, but wrong to eat pork sausages?

Islam teaches us to respect women. Women has a higher order compared to men. However those Muslims who actually beat their wives are well Muslims but not a very good Muslims. There are circumstances where he could place a physical reminder, but the definition is not the same. It has to be done with love not anger. It is nothing like That scene from Mr and Mrs Smith. Certainly not the same as 'Red Neck' so-called Christians in America. Never judge the religion by the doings of a few followers. You cannot eat pork even the bible says that.


  1. Do you think there is no error in the Quran, because the Quran says so?

The Quran has no error because, it really has no errors. Muslims knows it by heart from cover to cover, every Muslim reads it in the same language in the same way according to the same rule. The tajwid, the rule of reading the Quran would make it impossible for someone to change any single thing for 1,400 years it has been the same because EVERY GENERATION within the years could read it by heart. Can you know the bible by heart? In Hebrew, because know that the language of Jesus is Hebrew not english. We read the Quran in Arab the language of the Prophet and I am not even an arab.


  1. Is everything bad that ever happened to you someone else’s fault?

By that logic, why does Jesus AS have to die for your sins? It is your sins you die for it. There is nothing of this in Islam, everything good and bad has been determine by Allah SWT. We can only pray that He gives us more good than bad.


  1. Do you loudly demand respect from everybody, but respect nobody else?

Those of us who demands respect from everybody is not the same person who do not respect everybody else. You are thinking maybe about the Arabs (maybe) but the ones who demand respect is the Muslims living in the West. Anyways this question is very vague, it could mean any one of the 7 billion people on earth.


  1. When you see a Jew do you get angry?

Why are you not angry, don't you know that they killed Jesus AS? You embrace them as though they are your brothers but they made fools out of the Christians. If only you know then truth.


  1. Do you think homosexuals should be stoned to death but it is OK for old men to have sex with little girls?

In the Bible did God not do the same thing to the people of Sodom, who were filled with homosexuals? Are you not then going against the word of the Bible?


 


the accusation on Muhammad SAW is a big lie, she was not a child. She was already capable of birth. Besides it was ordained by Allah SWT that Aisyah RA should be Muhammad SAW 's wife. Why? because she is the keeper of hadith, the top four. If she was married to the Prophet 10 years later then she would not have any hadith to keep won't she? If you do not what hadith is, you do not know about Islam.


  1. Do you fly into a rage when you hear about a teddy bear called Mohammed, but blowing up tourists leaves you indifferent?

Of course we are at rage. We do not characterize the Prophet Muhammad SAW to see his face is a reward of the after-life. We do not do that to Jesus As either, it is you Christians and your Hollywood who does all this. LMFAO the shuffling Jesus, Masyaallah, why do you do that to Jesus. No Muslims would ever. Again blowing up part is different from the real Muslims just as your KKK is different from you Christians.


  1. Do you believe you are better than other people, and non-Muslims are like apes and pigs?

Wrong again my friend and I spit at the Muslim who thinks so. Muslims see non-believers as men, only they are just lost. Especially the Christians. If only you knew.


  1. Do you think refining heroin for a living is just fine, but have a moral objection to liquor?

He who have drug abuse problem is not following the teaching of Islam, how can he or she pray in such condition, Islam forbids it. Come down to Arabia to a Muslim country and see what Muslims are really like. Liquor is the root to evil, and just like the matter on pork, it if forbidden in the Bible. Look it up


  1. Do you like alternative medicine, particularlycamel urine?

No, the best medicine in Islam is to pray and ask that Allah SWT to heal us, while also applying actual medical treatment.


 


To Celeste:


 


I am sorry, but there is not a way for you to be Muslim but still believe that Jesus is the son of God. However let me point out to one logic, if the Christians claimed that Jesus AS is the son of God because he was born of no father, why then not believe in Adam AS who was born with a father or mother? Would that not make him a better God? It is because it was a misunderstanding that was caused by Constantine's Council of Nicaea. He did this to Jesus AS, but Jesus AS is still alive and he will come in the end of days to tell the Christians that they made a grave mistake. I hope very much that Allah SWT would give you His light for you are very close to finding it. Salam.

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Salam,

 

I don't know if I would be welcome. I am very serious about this. Nobody

has formally introduced me to the religion though. I was raised Christian and

have been a serious believer all of my life, up until two years ago I

have been questioning my faith, but have not completely let go or ruled

out that Christ was the son of God or miraculous. I have done some reading from Muslims on websites and I am already familiar with the culture. One of the main

reasons why I want to become Muslim is because I feel the

Christian community has failed me and I am drawn to how disciplined

Muslims are; I think I would feel safe and covered by Islam. I am afraid that if I don't become part of a community that takes their life serious I am literally going to die. Is my

reasoning for considering becoming Muslim acceptable? Would I be

unwelcomed for the concerns I mentioned, including the fact that I can't

go as far as denouncing Christ? If I would be welcome, then where

should I start?

     

Greetings sister Celeste. There is no doubt that Jesus (Peace be upon him) was one of the most special Messengers of Allah. Almighty Allah the exalted clearly refers to Jesus in the Qur'an as the "Messiah". The word Messiah in Hebrew is 'maw-shee-akh'. In Arabic it is "Maseeh". This basically means the "Annointed" and "Appointed". This refers to the fact that Jesus (Peace be upon him) came into this world out of his mother's womb, naturally and divinely anointed with oil and was divinely appointed by God as one of his greatest Prophets. If you believe in the words of Jesus (Pbuh) then you will believe in him as a great Prophet of God and NOT God because there is not one single statement in his words or that of the word of God that refers to him as God.

 

How can Jesus be GOD Almighty in the light of the following verses?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O israel:  The Lord our God is one Lord."   The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him.  Jesus didn't say "Your God".  He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he ask for GOD's Forgiveness in Luke 23:34?  Please visit How can Jesus be GOD Almighty when he asked for GOD's Forgiveness?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

 

If Jesus was GOD, then did Paul say in 1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"?  Can't GOD do anything he wills? 

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

 

Also in Luke 18:19 Jesus said only GOD Almighty is Good: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?  Also see: Jesus' crucifixion in Islam

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn't reply when he was asked about the truth?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."  Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?  Also see GOD's Spirit in the many others beside Jesus.

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in Hebrew 5:7 he prayed and cried for GOD to hear him and give him mercy by saving him from death?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 1:18 he said "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the FATHER'S side, has made HIM known."  Where do you see Trinity in this Verse?

 

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 5:37 he said "And the FATHER who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard HIS voice nor seen HIS form,"  Jesus and the GOD are different.  People heard Jesus, but never heard GOD.

 

Also The "Son" title also given to others beside Jesus:

 

How come Christians take the "God's Son" title literally with Jesus and they don't take it literally for the rest of the prophets and people who were called the Sons of God?

 

In John 3:16 Jesus was called God's only Begotten Son.

 

In Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, israel is my son, even my firstborn."  israel was called God's First Son.

 

In Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn."  Ephraim is God's First Son and First Born.

 

In Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."  David was called God's Begotten Son.

 

Also Jesus' Miracles were not unique in the Bible:

 

If Jesus is believed to be GOD because he could do miracles, he could heal leprosy, he could cause blind men to see, or raise the dead, then what about the others who performed the same miracles?

 

Elisha and Elijah fed a hundred people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn (2 Kings 4:44).  Elisha told Naaman, who was a leper, to wash in the river Jordan (2 Kings 5:14) and he was healed.  Elisha caused a blind man to see in (2 Kings 6:17,20).  Elijah and Elisha raised the dead in (1 Kings 17:22, and 2 Kings 4:34).  Even Elisha's dead bones restored a dead body in (2 Kings 13:21).  Indeed Jesus had prophesied that people will worship him uselessly and will believe in doctrines not made by GOD but by men "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:9)"

 

In Matthew 15:9 above, we see Jesus warning that Trinity (the bogus lie) will dominate, and people will take Jesus as GOD and worship him, which is a total sin according to what Jesus said !!.

 

Allah Almighty (GOD) in the Noble Quran (The Muslims' Holy Scripture) states in Verse 5:72 "They do blaspheme who say: 'God is Christ the son of Mary.' But said Christ: 'O Children of israel ! worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' "

 

Also in Noble Verse 5:73 "They do blaspheme who say God is one of three in a Trinity:  for there is no god except One God.  If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them."

 

And also in Noble Verse 4:171 "O People of the Book!  Commit no excesses in your religion:  Nor say of God aught but the truth.  Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, ..."

 

Also let us talk about the trinity. Where, specifically, in the Gospel does Jesus (PBUH!) mention the Trinity?

 

(If you find no such reference from his lips to a god residing in three persons -- and you will not -- then perhaps you will be moved to consider the following questions:)

 

2-  How could Jesus (PBUH!) possibly have omitted to mention something of such extraordinary importance?

 

* How could the authors of the four Gospels have made the same extraordinary omission?

 

(For no direct reference to the Trinity appears in any chapter or verse of any of the four Gospels. It is a patching-on from a later era.)

 

3-  Why does Jesus (PBUH!) in the Lord's prayer address the Lord as "Father" and then refer to the Father's children throughout as "Us" and "We," instead of separating himself from the rest of the children of God, as the Trinity would seem to demand?

 

4-  And the big question: If redemption through the blood of Christ, that one member of the Trinity, is all that is necessary for salvation, how are we to explain the many, many occasions in the Gospel that Jesus (PBUH!) details the necessity of submitting directly to the One God -- without ever mentioning the role of his (Jesus', PBUH!) redeeming blood?

 

So let me ask you sister Celeste: Are these not extraordinary teachings? Are they not central to the ministry of Jesus (PBUH!)? And must we not confront dozens of them in order to defend the Trinity and the notion of the sacrificial Christ?

 

So if you truly believe in Jesus in accordance with what he has referred himself as and that which God has referred to him as then this is the same as how he has been referred to in the Qur'an.

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Many Muslims tell me that God has sons by the tons; so, why do you say Jesus is not the son of God especially since he was born of a virgin? If you mean God didn't sear Jesus I agree, but if you mean Jesus is not a word from God or the word of God I disagree. 

you are saying that many Muslims telling you that God (Allah ) has sons by the tons ???!!! and then you are saying that Jesus should be son of God because he's virgin " I think you mean he has no father " ,this is what I understood from your question"why do you say Jesus is not the son of God especially since he was born of a virgin?",so please correct me if I'm wrong....OK...let's study the hypothesis that you are saying....if Jesus is son of God because he has no father then what about Adam ,Adam has no father nor mother ,do Christians or any other believer believe that Adam is a God and should be worshiped  ?? or even that Adam is a son of God ??....and if yes..doesn't this actually mean that all humanity are sons and grand sons of God...come on, be serious, no one believe this,also if Adam has no father nor mother , Eva has no mother "this is if we accepted that Adam is her father"..according to what are you saying what prevents that Eva is a daughter of God ??...after these questions I have to correct your information ....no Muslim that admit to be Muslim and say that God has sons nor daughters , actually any Muslim say such like this thing isn't Muslim at all..... please read more about Islam   

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Dear Celeste,

 

first of all, you are so welcomed to become a Muslim from Allah (our God) before Muslims themselves , you asked from where to start and you have some concerns about denouncing Jesus peace of Allah be upon him......first, Islam doesn't denounce any prophet because they are all servants and messengers of Allah .....prophets in Islam are human beings , they eat like we eat , they sleep like we sleep , they marry like we marry , but Allah chose them for us to lead us to the right way , Muslims believe that prophets don't fall in sins like others because they are fortified  against this thing, Qur'an in many cases directed us to believe and respect them ,I mention for example :

 

 


 

1.Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him [Allah]." [Al-Baqarah :136].

 


 

2.The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination." [Al-Baqarah:285].

 

In Islam there are special prophets and I mean they have special status for Muslims and one of them is Jesus peace of Allah be upon him , no matter what all Muslims said to prove that they respect Jesus , we still can't give him his right like Qur'an did , so let me read the following :

 

note : this is from the English translation of Qur'an. 

 


And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.(16)And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.(17)She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ."(18)He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."(19)She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"(20)He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' "(21)So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.(22)And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten."(23)But he called her from below her, "Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream.(24)And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates.(25)So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, 'Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.' "(26)Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.(27)O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."(28)So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"(29)[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.(30)And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive(31)And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.(32)And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."(33)That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.(34)It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.(35)[Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path."(36)


 


 

this surely summarize what Muslims believe about Jesus ,and how much they respect him and his mother Mary -may peace of Allah be upon them both - I don't have much to talk after this except asking you some questions :

 

1. do you respect and believe in all prophets of God? if yes ,you should known that Muslims do.

2. do you believe that prophets of God are humans who are fortified against falling in sins? if yes ,you should know that Muslims do.  

3. do you consider your believe is not complete unless you believed in Jesus ? if yes, you should know that Muslims do.

4. did you questioned your believe , and reached at certain instant that the Ultimate God  is One,and who is the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born,Nor is there to Him any equivalent." ? if yes ,please visit and read this : quran.com/112

 

if you answered all previous questions by "Yes", then let me say that Muslims and you have a lot  in common, and you believe in core of what Muslims believe in, so let me have the great honor to invite you to Islam and to be one of our community .

 

may Allah bless you and guide you to the right way. 

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By the way, evidence in regards to the Bible's corruption has been posted. However, it has been ignored by you and other Christians. You ignored the information of the tikkun soferim and the problems regarding the Masoretic vs. Septuagint. Upon request, I can post the same information in this thread.

That’s an interesting thread regarding the Septuagint and Masoretic texts. I think two important points need to be put forward. The Septuagint does not have any vowels. It’s very easy to interpret a word into five different words since there are no vowels. The reader had to pronounce the words according to the context of each passage. In addition to this a translator of any text not only translates in accordance with his linguistic skills but also in accordance with his religious beliefs. The translation of the Quran is no different. There are Arabic phrases and idioms that do not make sense in English but have to be interpreted into English in a way that makes sense without frustrating Islamic doctrines.

 

Bearing this in mind it comes as no surprise that we see discrepancies in passages such as Isaiah 7:14, Psalm 40:6 etc. It’s very easy to add in vowels to direct the meaning of a passage to Christian or Jewish doctrines. This does not mean it’s a fabrication. It simply means the translators translated the texts to the best of their ability while remaining to true to their religion. Having a look at the link you posted below shows perfectly well if you click to any chapter of any book the passages are essentially the same.

 

http://ecmarsh.com/lxx-kjv/genesis/gen_001.htm

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The Septuagint does not have any vowels. It’s very easy to interpret a word into five different words since there are no vowels. 

 

Bearing this in mind it comes as no surprise that we see discrepancies in passages such as Isaiah 7:14, Psalm 40:6 etc.

 

Firstly, the Septuagint is written in Greek. Greek is written with vowels. It is Hebrew that is written without vowels. However, to be precise, the Masoretic text has vowels. That's what the Masoretes did - they added vowels to the consonantal text.

 

 

 

Finally, the lack of vowels does not explain discrepancies such as Isaiah 7:14. The two Hebrew words which are disputed in Isaiah 7:14 are "almah" and "betulah". It's quite clear to even a person who does not know Hebrew that the two words aren't different due to different vowelization. If you don't believe me, you can compare the actual two Hebrew words:  עלמה   vs.    בְּתוּלָה  .

 

The first word starts with the following letter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin

 

and the second with the following letter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bet_(letter)

 

Those two are consonants. 

 

Remember that Hebrew is read from right to left. It's quite clear that different consonants are being used. Thus, your explanation is completely wrong. Furthermore, I will have to say that it is too general. You can't fall back on such a generic argument and use it to explain away all the discrepancies. What you would have to do is to show case by case that all of the discrepancies come down to vowelization. 

 

Yes, the Septuagint and the Masoretic are "essentially" the same. However, let's keep in mind that there around 6000 differences between the Masoretic Torah and the Septuagint. Out of these 6000 differences, the Septuagint agrees in 2000 instances with the Samaritan Torah against the Masoretic text. In spite of that, the Samaritan Torah is "essentially" the same as the Masoretic one.

 

What I have problem with is passages that affect creed. Go to Deut 32:43 : http://ecmarsh.com/lxx-kjv/deuteronomy/deu_032.htm The Septuagint verse is used in the book of Hebrews to portray the deity of Jesus. I would say that this discrepancy is substantial. The question is, who changed the verse? The Jews or the Christians? 

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Sorry that was a typo I was meant to say the ancient Hebrew texts did not have vowels which you obviously already knew.

 

I didn’t say the vowels were the only factor explaining the discrepancies between the two texts. I also said they translated according to their religious belief. It’s painfully obvious in the example you gave in Isaiah 7:14. The Hebrew word has multiple meanings and could mean either virgin, young girl or handmaiden. We do not expect the Masoretes to use Virgin because that is a proof text used by Christians, so again it’s obvious the religious dispositions of the translator influences his translation of the text. In addition to the thousands of discrepancies between the two texts are also due to misspellings, missing articles and words etc. These are scribal errors not deliberate fabrications.

 

There are many proof texts that both the Septuagint and Masoretic text agree on that prove doctrines.

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Sorry that was a typo I was meant to say the ancient Hebrew texts did not have vowels which you obviously already knew.

 

I didn’t say the vowels were the only factor explaining the discrepancies between the two texts. I also said they translated according to their religious belief. It’s painfully obvious in the example you gave in Isaiah 7:14. The Hebrew word has multiple meanings and could mean either virgin, young girl or handmaiden. We do not expect the Masoretes to use Virgin because that is a proof text used by Christians, so again it’s obvious the religious dispositions of the translator influences his translation of the text. In addition to the thousands of discrepancies between the two texts are also due to misspellings, missing articles and words etc. These are scribal errors not deliberate fabrications.

 

There are many proof texts that both the Septuagint and Masoretic text agree on that prove doctrines.

 

From a non-Jewish, non-Christian perspective, it seems that the language is not that poignant if the Hebrew word can have multiple meanings. Why not simply use the most poignant word "betulah" in the verse? Why not use a word whose translation won't be dependent the religious disposition of the translator, i.e. "betulah"? It's not like the word is not used in Isaiah.  

 

However, let me point out that Jews will disagree that the word can be translated in multiple ways: http://www.outreachjudaism.org/articles/alma-virgin.html

 

It appears that the Greek word does not mean a virgin exclusively either:  http://www.outreachjudaism.org/articles/septuagint.html

 

Jesus, peace be upon him, is quoted in the NT saying that not a single letter will disappear from the Torah. Did he mean the Hebrew text or a translation? If the book of Hebrews (and the Septuagint of the Christians) is to be believed, then letters indeed have disappeared from the Torah based on the discrepancy between the Masoretic text and the Septuagint in regards to Deut 32:43, the Christian Septuagint version being a proof-text for Christians. It's a lose-lose situation for Christians. If no letter has disappeared from the Torah, then this automatically means that verse 32:43 in the Christian Septuagint/book of Hebrews is false. If the Septuagint supposedly is the correct version, then the prophecy ascribed to Jesus, peace be upon him, is moot.

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Read the context of Matthew 5:18-19 is Jesus talking about scholarship or the standard of the law to be observed?

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You admitted previously the Septuagint and Masoretic text are essentially the same and that's exactly what I wanted to get from you, I don't care to wrangle with you about cherry picked verses so I'm done here. Thanks for the discussion, I admire your knowledge in this field, God bless you.

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      I am new here, I live in the UK and I am 21 ! I am interested in Islam and I am here to get more informations about the Islam. I am a bit scared to learn more about it because I think it is always dangerous to be a Muslim in the UK, because all these terror stories some people think every Muslim is the same, but I don't think that! I searched for a Masjid to go near my City and in my City but these Masjids doesn't reply.

      When I lived in Germany ( I live in the UK since over a year ) I had a Circumzision but when I wanted to go in a Masjid to become a Muslim I moved to the UK. After a while I lost the believe a bit because here is no Masjid and muslims who would help me on my way! My fiancee is british and not religious so she cant help me too and she doesn't like it anyway. Well, my questions are now :

       

      1. Does this website got something like a chat or message box where people can write to me and I can write to people ? Or is it really just the Forum ?

       

      2. Are here people from UK maybe Hampshire ?

       

      3. How should I deal with discrimination if I would become a Muslim ?

       

      4. I want become an Officer or Soldier in the UK so I am kind of scared that I can't do this job as a practising muslim ?

       

      5. Is that a Problem that my fiancee is a non-muslima and that she doesn't give much about the Islam ?

       

      6. Do I can become a Muslim without going to a Masjid ? ( I would like to go to a Masjid to learn the Quran but I don't think that here is a Masjid who accept me, I searched but couldn't find one )

       

      7. Would the Muslim community accept me ? Not long ago people tried to burn down the Masjid in my city, so maybe the muslim community don't like " westerners ".

       

      8. I am a newbie so it would be nice if somebody could maybe write to me and help me a bit with the website and with my way to Islam, I am not sure I am doing the right thing ?

       

       

      well, I hope I didn't asked too many questions and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

    • By Absolute truth
      It was a typical hot sunny day in Florida and I thought that I would stop by the bookstore to get out of the heat. I had been there many times and always went to the section titled Religion. Having been a Christian for many years I always went to the rows of books concerning Christianity. As I perused through the various titles, I did not see anything that piqued my interest that day. Slowly, I went over to the Judaic section of books. Because the Old Testament part of the Bible was written by the Jews. And sometimes I would find a book that would help me better understand the Torah. Which was the first 5 books in the Christian Bible. But nothing in that section of books attracted my attention.

      Then I noticed there was a small section with a few books under the heading of Islamic literature. Quickly scanning the shelf I noticed a copy of the Quran. Admittedly I knew very little about Muslims, Islam, or the Quran. At the church that I attended there were small booklets explaining various cults. I remember reading one of the small pamphlets that said Islam was a religion that worshipped a moon god. Which made sense to me; because I had seen a Masjid once, and it had a crescent moon on the top of the building.

      Something urged me to stick my hand out and reach for the copy of the Quran. I looked around the store to make sure no one was observing me as I held this strange book in my hands. I noticed it had the Arabic calligraphy across the front cover. Looking down I opened up the book and turned to the first page. I saw there were just 7 verses; so I decided to read them:

      Al-Fatiha (The Opening)

      1.* In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
      2.* Praise be to God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the world;
      3.* Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
      4.* Master of the Day of Judgment.
      5.* Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
      6.* Show us the straight path,
      7.* The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace,
      **** those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.

      The instant I finished reading these words. It was as though the whole store was flooded with a bright light………. And time seemed to have stopped…….. I was absolutely astounded with what I had just read…….I stood there as though frozen in place………… and in a low voice I muttered to myself, “whoever wrote this knows God!!”

      Intuitively, somehow, I knew what I had read was going to change my life. But I had no idea that I had just been given a front row seat on an speeding roller coaster. And that every aspect of my life was going to change in a dramatic way I could never have imagined.

      Rapidly, I started turning the pages of this mysterious book. There were names of people whom I knew from my Bible. There was Moses and Abraham. Lot and Noah. To my astonishment there was even Mary and Jesus. How could this be?? These people belong in the Bible; not in some strange book called the Quran!!

      In a state of mental puzzlement I looked at the outside cover of the book I was holding in my hand. It listed the author of the text I was holding as a person named “Pickthall.” I thought well maybe this is my answer. Some crazy Englishman has put together a fraudulent book using the names of Bible characters. But now I was totally intrigued as to what was actually contained inside of a “real” Quran. So I placed the book back on the shelf and headed out of the store. I wanted a copy of a real Quran…….. and knew right where to go to purchase one.

      “we do not sell Quran’s, but I will give you one”

      In the town where I lived there was a small building with a sign that said: “Islamic Dawa Center.” I had driven by it many times in the past on my way to work. I assumed that it had something to do with Muslims and their religion because of the words Islam and Center. But I had no idea what that word “Dawa” meant?

      As I started up my car I was filled with a sense of excitement tempered with confusion. Although it was about a 20 min. drive. It seemed like I was there in a flash.

      *I parked my car in the parking lot and walked up to the front door of the Masjid. Looking through the side window next to the door I did not see anyone. So I went ahead and knocked on the front door.
      When no one came to answer the door I proceeded to knock several times; increasingly louder each time. I had no idea that you could actually just walk into a Masjid and enter into the main lobby. After several minutes of knocking the door started to open. And there stood a tall African-American woman wearing all black from head to toe with a black veil over her face. All I could see was her eyes. I was a little taken back, and thought to myself; “Oh no, I have stumbled into the Nation of Islam!!”*
      *
      But the woman eased my trepidation when she said in a pleasant voice, “how may I help you?” I told her that I wanted to purchase a Quran. She replied with, “we do not sell Quran’s, but I will give you one.” She then stepped away from the door and was gone for about a minute. When she returned; this enigmatic lady handed me a large beautiful blue hardcover Quran that said it was published by Dar Islam, in Saudi Arabia. Looking down at the book I could see that it was a used book with a slight wearing on the spine and cover She then informed me that it was her personal Quran; but I was more than welcome to have it as a gift from her.

      “Do you know that you are already a Muslim.”

      * Driving to my house with the Quran on the front seat. I felt a sense of wonderment. Over the next several days I would pick up the Quran and start to read it. But I was accustomed to reading the Bible which was laid out in a chronological fashion. Starting with the chapter named Genesis; the beginning of the world. And ending with the final chapter called the Book of Revelations; dealing with the End Times.

      Eventually, I realized that the Quran was not laid out like a typical book, but was more topical in character. So I learned go to the index and find the verses that addressed the subject I was inquiring about; marriage, inheritance, charity, etc.

      My bachelors degree is in sociology. So anything dealing with how a society should be set up and structured was always intriguing. The more I read, the more everything made sense. I quickly came to the realization that Islam provided a framework for a just and equitable society. Yet, fundamentally structured using a different paradigm then the one I had grown up with. Also, I was amazed at how the Quran took into account basic human nature by addressing it with logic and just plain common sense.

      *I had purchased a small loose leaf notebook and was continuously writing down various questions concerning what the Quran said about various topics. A week had now passed by and I needed someone to talk to about this intriguing book.

      Standing once again at the front door of the Masjid I began to do the door knocking routine again. Eventually a man showed up at the door wearing what appeared to be a brown robe and he had the longest beard I had ever seen. Holding up my copy of the Quran, I informed him that I had questions about this book. He graciously invited me into his office, while informing me that he was the Imam of the Masjid, and was from Morocco. I wasn’t sure what the word “Imam” met, but I assumed he was like a priest or something. As we sat down to talk he offered me a small cup of tea. *Surprisingly he spoke perfect English, and come to find out, he was a guidance counselor and taught French at the local high school.

      *We begin a conversation that lasted about an hour. During the conversation I told him that I had been a Christian for many years. But had grown disillusioned with Christianity because it finally dawned on me that Jesus was not God. Yes, I still went to church with my wife and children; although my heart really wasn’t into it anymore.

      The Imam mentioned to me during the conversation that Muslims did not eat pork or drink alcohol. I related that I never was into alcohol and believed that it did society way more harm than any temporary benefit people claimed they got out of it. As for eating pork; I told him that several years ago I had come to the conclusion that Jesus never ate pork. The Bible states that Jesus was a righteous Rabbi and followed all of the Torah laws. In the Torah it states that the eating of pork is an abomination to God. So I figured if Jesus did not eat pork; then I would follow his example and not eat pork.

      * Finally our conversation was over and I stood up to leave. As I was shaking the Imam’s hand he commented to me, “do you know that you are already a Muslim.” That statement did not quite process in my mind; and I could not figure out what he was talking about? *Maybe he had misunderstood me……. I was a Christian not a Muslim……. Besides, I am a white man with blue eyes of Irish heritage……….. Anyone who watches the news on television knows that there is no such thing as a caucasian Muslim.

      * Another week went by as I attempted to read the Quran and write down my questions. Once again, I found myself at the front of the Masjid knocking on the front door. After few minutes, yet again, a completely different person answered the door. He was a much younger man wearing a long white robe. He had what appeared to be a red and white checkered tablecloth like you would see in an Italian restaurant wrapped around his head. That seemed to be held on by a black fan belt from a car. I showed him my copy of the Quran and stated there were a few questions I would like to ask him about this book. He invited me in and I proceeded to follow him into the same office where I had gone before. He offered me a small glass of coffee in a little cup. While at the same time telling me that he was a student from Saudi Arabia and was an Imam.

      * For the next hour we basically the same conversation that I had with the other Imam. Telling him that I was a Christian, but I did not drink alcohol, eat pork, or believe that Jesus was the son of God. As I was getting ready to leave the office this young Imam looked at me and said, “do you know that you are already a Muslim?” Now this was getting too strange. And I wondered why these people kept saying this to me.

      * He mentioned that he and the other students had rented an apartment and used it for a Masjid. And that I was welcome to visit any evening. It was where they did their prayers and held social activities. I lived in a medium sized city, but as chance would have it, the apartment they used as a Masjid was just down the street from where I lived. Easily within a short walking distance.

      “Dad, there is a dead animal on top of the food with the head still on it !!”

      The next evening I went there with my Quran and notebook in hand. Over the next several hours the Muslim students took turns setting down beside me and answering my questions about Islam. All the while pouring coffee into a cup about the size of a thimble. I had a great time and started going there every day. Eventually, I grew to be friends with all of the men who attended the prayers and dinner celebrations at the Masjid and learned their names. As I began to admire their personal behavior and character. It seemed like half of them were named Mohammed; so that made it easy to remember them. But the other half had strange sounding names that I had never heard of before. So it took me a while to be able to pronounce and memorize their names.*

      Most of the brothers there were from Saudi Arabia with their families. And the rest were from Kuwait. It seemed like every other night they were having a dinner; to celebrate the birth of a baby; one of the brothers had just gotten married; or someone was graduating school and leaving to go back home. Basically, any excuse to get together and have a feast. Typically, there was a couple of very large trays with a cooked goat setting on top a bed of rice with vegetables. At first I was given a fork and spoon to eat with. But quickly observed that no one else was using eating utensils. So I started eating with my hands like they did; learning to squish the rice into a ball and clumsily try to stuff it in my mouth without dropping half of it on my lap..

      One time, I took my 10-year-old son to the dinner with me. As it worked out he was sitting with another group of men to eat from a different tray. I had just started to eat when all at once there was a quick tapping on my shoulder. I turned around and there was my son his eyes as big around as dinner plates. In a panicked voice he said,“Dad, there is a dead animal on top of the food with the head still on it !!” I still laugh every time I think about the look on his face. And how he was about to run out the door when one of the brothers reached in and pulled out the goats tongue and offered him a piece.

      I was having a great time and the behavior and character of these Muslim men was impeccable. Arriving early at the Masjid one day. I went ahead and entered because the door was always unlocked. As I waited for the brothers to arrive. I noticed that there was a dime laying on the floor. When I went back the next day the dime was still laying in the exact same spot. One of the brothers would vacuum the carpet just about every day; yet the dime was still there week after week.This was a level of honor and honesty that I had never encountered before.

      *I had been going to the Masjid every evening for several weeks and my wife was getting concerned. She wanted to know what I was up to. She even accused me of going to clubs and bars because sometimes it was midnight before I came home. I just laughed and said, “smell my breath, there is no alcohol on it”. Previously, I had informed her that I was going to a small Masjid and trying to learn about Islam and Muslims. Reminding her that as Christians we are told in the Bible to convert people to Christianity.Yet, little did I understand. I was the one being converted; not them.

      “There is no God but Allah,*and Mohammed is his messenger”

      * I had come to the realization that conversion to Islam was in my future. In fact the word convert wasn’t exactly the correct term. A new term at entered into my vocabulary; “revert”. In essence, meaning that I would be reverting back to the original monotheistic religion of Abraham. Now I understood what the two Imam’s were saying when they told me that; “I was already a Muslim.”

      In the back of my mind I knew that accepting Islam would cause a big problem in my marriage. But I felt like I had no choice. Because Islam held the “Truth” that I had been seeking for most of my life. Not once had I read anything in the Quran that I disagreed with or found to be untrue. Finally, I could not remain a non-Muslim any longer. *Asking the Imam one evening to teach me the Islamic profession of faith; which in arabic is called the “Shahada”.

      *The next Friday I went to the Masjid. It was a beautiful day and I was determined to remember the date; 11 May, 2001

      *As I entered the local downtown Masjid. Many of the brothers shook my hand with smiles on their faces. I assumed that word had gotten around I was going to accept Islam that day. Because the numbers in attendance seemed larger than normal. When the call to prayer finished. I got into one of the straight line’s with all the other brothers.

      During all of those weeks of going to the Masjid I had never joined in on the prayer. This would be the first time for me to join in on the salat. As I stood there waiting for the Imam to start the prayer. The brother next to me scooted his foot over and touched his little toe against mine. I then moved my foot inward an inch. Once again, the brother on my left side scooted his foot over so that our toes touched. Now the brother on the right was doing the same thing. I started to panic a little bit until I realized that the line in front of me had everybody touching toes. As I chuckled to myself; I realized that everything was going to be fine.

      At the end of the prayer that he Imam asked me to come up to the front of the Masjid. Facing the brothers and following his verbal prompting;

      I said the “Shahada” in Arabic.

      Ash-hadu an laa ilaaha illallah

      Wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan rasulullah

      Then I immediately repeated the words in English.

      “I bear witness that there is no god except God,

      and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of God.”

      *In no way was I prepared for what was to happen next. All of the brothers formed a greeting line and came up to me one at a time. Giving me the cultural hug and air kiss on both cheeks. As a western man this was a completely new experience that I was totally unaccustomed to performing. Several of the brothers then handed me gifts; such as a prayer rug, dates, and various articles of clothing.

      Afterwords, several of the brothers took me out to eat at a Middle East halal restaurant. It was a great day that I will never forget. Within the convert community some of us jokingly refer to this as a “Shahada High.” Because you feel so exhilarated by the whole experience that it’s almost like being on some sort of spiritual intoxicant and you never want the feeling to end.

      “so you are a Muslim now, and want to kill Christians?”

      The whole day’s events were like a whirlwind and flew by quickly. Now it was time to go back home. As I entered my house a sobering reality hit me. During these weeks that I had been going to the Masjid and learning about Islam. My wife had grown very distant. Once she had even taken some of the notes that I had written about Islam and threw them in the trash. Telling her that I had accepted Islam was not going to be easy. So I decided to wait a few days and slowly ease it into a conversation. But most women have something referred to as “woman’s intuition.”

      A couple of days later, out of nowhere, she looked at me and said, “so you are a Muslim now, and want to kill Christians?”

      In a stunned silence; I watched as she turned her back and walked away. That was our one and only conversation about Islam. Later that day she moved her stuff into the other bedroom and all meaningful communication between us ceased.

      In a way, I can understand her feelings. She and I had structured our lives around Christianity. Both of us had taught Sunday school at the church and held held many Bible studies in our home. Although I was not an ordained minister. I had done some preaching at the church. Even being involved in street ministries together and helping to organize functions at the church. My converting to Islam was an act of betrayal to her and she was deeply hurt. I had joined the enemy camp and abandoned Christianity.

      She and I both knew the verse in the Bible that says not to be “unevenly yoked.” An example showing that no farmer would ever yoke together two different animals to pull a plow; such as an oxen and a horse. Because the animal’s would be too different in size and temperament. And he would have great difficulty trying to plow straight lines for his crops to grow.

      In essence; saying that a Christian’s should not be married to a non-Christian.

      In my heart and mind I knew that the marriage was over. And that a divorce would soon be pending. I assumed that it wouldn’t take place for a few months.

      Little did I know that behind the scenes events were already in play.

      “you are either going to live, or you’re going to die.”

      A couple of weeks after reverting to Islam I had gone to the doctor about a cough and problem in my throat. A biopsy and an MRI quickly confirmed that I had a tumor. It was very advanced and I was in what they call stage 4. There is no stage 5. The oncologist was very concerned and told me that we would have to start maximum radiation treatments immediately. I then asked him what the prognosis and survival rate was after treatment for this illness. Figuring that he would give me a percentage; hopefully in my favor.

      Slowly, he turned to looked at me, and with no emotion, bluntly stated…… “you are either going to live, or you”re going to die.”

      I was to receive radiation treatments twice a day for 31 week days. For a total of 62 treatments. One in the morning; and another in the afternoon. I informed them at my place of work and they put me on temporary disability.

      Within a few days into the treatments. I could neither eat any food or drink water. The inside of my throat felt like a third-degree sunburn. Even trying to put one drop of water in my mouth felt like I was being stabbed with a knife. Quickly I started to lose weight. I am already a thin person. But by the end of the treatments I had lost 40 pounds. Making me look like a walking skeleton. My big event each day was walking to the mailbox. Then I would have to rest for 30 min.

      If you think Ramadan can be a little taxing; especially during the first few days. Try going without any food or water at all for over a month. Admittedly, I had zero appetite; but I wanted a drink of water so bad I could hardly stand it.

      Strangely enough, I had a complete feeling of inner peace. I had learned enough about Islam to know that Allah (swt) was in control of everything. To the amazement of the doctors, I was driving myself round trip twice a day, to get the treatments. Several times they were adamant that I start taking a powerful narcotic called OxyContin to ease my pain. I had tried it once but it just sent me off into a state of mental numbness. I told the doctors I would rather be fully aware and conscious of my surroundings no matter what the outcome. And that I could handle the pain. It was now mid summer and the hot and humid days and nights seemed to last forever…….. Each one blending into the other…………..Very slowly the weeks of treatments went by……………..

      “you have 5 min. to pack your things and leave the house”

      It was early in the evening, and my wife unexpectedly said she was taking the kids and going shopping at the mall. This was not unusual since her and the kids loved to go shopping at the mall. About an hour later there was a knock at the door. I slowly walked over and struggled to open the door. There stood two policeman holding a piece of paper they said was a restraining order from the court. As I collapsed on the couch they read it to me. Then one policeman said, “you have 5 min. to pack your things and leave the house.”

      She had apparently had taken it out against me a few days earlier. Claiming that she feared for her life. Although I didn’t have the strength to squish a bug. And still had my final week of radiation treatments to finish. The court felt like she had probable cause to fear me. This was my first taste of Islamophobia; but not the last that I would experience.

      We had only lived in Florida for one year and I knew very few people. The policemen had graciously packed my suitcase for me when they saw my true condition. My mind racing as to what to do and where would I go. I reached in my pocket and pulled out the phone number of one of the brothers from the Masjid and called him. Later he would tell me that he always turned off his cell phone when at the Masjid. But that evening had neglected to turn it off and was surprised when it rang.

      “you can stay here as long as you want”

      After I had received my diagnosis and started treatments. I had quit going to the Masjid. In my mind I felt like I had let down all of my muslim brothers. Because in Christianity when a person is having problems with their business, marriage, finances, etc. The general view is that God is punishing them. Because obviously they are sinning in some area of their life and brought this upon themselves. It wasn’t until later that I learned in Islam that events like this are seen as a trial and even considered a blessing.

      A few days earlier my car had broken down and was towed to the mechanic shop for a major engine repair. Now I needed a ride to get a motel room because I had very little cash on me. And the policemen were running out of patience and needed me to vacate my house. There was a new revert at the Masjid who I had become friends with and had written down his phone number. By now my throat was so bad I can only squeeze out 2 words at a time. In broken sentences I explained to him the situation and asked for a ride. Unknown to me he was at the Masjid with all of the brothers. Within a few minutes he and the Imam had arrived to give me a ride. After they loaded up my suitcase. We drove straight to the apartment that was rented for use as a Masjid. Quite a few brothers and their families lived in the same apartment complex where the Masjid was located.

      By then I was so exhausted I could barely stand up as we walked towards the front door. That’s when I observed several men carrying various pieces of furniture into the Masjid. The Imam turned to me and said, “the back bedroom is yours, and you can stay here as long as you want.” As I looked into the room, I could see one brother had brought a bed; another brother had provided a lamp; there was a nightstand, chest of drawers, fresh linen for the bed and towels; and even a television. All donated to me by my new muslim brothers. As I lay down on the bed and looked up at the ceiling. I realized that I had just observed the beautiful religion of Islam in action.

      I was finishing up my last week of treatments. Several of the brothers had volunteered to drive me to my appointments. Also I needed to stop by the bank and draw out money to pay the mechanic’s bill to get my car.

      As we drove away from the bank’s drive-through window. I stared at the piece of paper with my bank balance. I had a whopping total of $1.21 in the bank. My wife had gone there the day before and had cleaned out the bank account. Arriving back at the apartment I went into my room to lay down and rest. I was flat broke and had no way to pay the bill and get my car out of the shop. I blankly stared at the ceiling in a state of numbness……….

      After a few minutes one of the brothers came into the room and said he had something for me. He then stuck out his hand and gave me $2,000. And said, “this should be enough to get your car fixed.”

      Later, I would found out that all of the brothers had chipped in to help me with my car repair bill. So when people talk about the “ummah” of Islam; I have witnessed it first hand.

      “they have done it again!! ”

      *Today was a special anniversary. It was September 11 and I had been a Muslim for exactly 4 months. I was still living at the Masjid and was learning more about Islam every day. Even though I had to undergo a serious operation on my neck that left me with a bad scar. My health was starting to return and I was able to eat and drink like a normal person. Unfortunately, the radiation had burned up my saliva glands and destroyed the enamel on my teeth. So whenever I ate any food I would have to have something to drink in order to swallow it. But that is a small inconvenience compared to the alternative of not being alive.

      * I had gotten up early that morning to go to the local store that provided cable service for my television. The cable at the apartment only had the very basic channels. Having a little bit of extra money now I wanted to upgrade and get more channels. Walking into the store I saw a strange sight. This store had several large screen TVs mounted on the wall. All of the customers and sales representatives were standing in front of them and watching what looked to be a live news cast. Every single TV was on the same channel showing a very tall building that was smoking and appeared to be on fire.

      * *Since no one was working the sales desk. I join the people and started watching this cataclysmic event. After a few minutes I was getting bored just watching a building burn and started to walk away. Figuring that I would just come back later that day or tomorrow morning. Then all at once, what looked like a jetliner, smashed into an identical looking building next to the one that was already on fire and bellowing smoke. Everyone in the crowd made a gasping sound. Then one man in a loud aggravated voice said, “they’ve done it again.” *Immediately, the seriousness of the situation hit me. This was the twin towers in New York City that had been bombed several years before; and I knew exactly “who” was going to be blamed.

      * *Immediately, I was speeding back to the apartment complex as fast as I could to warn the brothers about what had just happened. As I entered the Masjid several of them had already heard the news and were concerned about their families safety. I told them not to worry; and that I would be around to help them if any problems came up. All of the brothers had attended a English language course in San Antonio, Texas for 6 months before starting their 2 years of school. The Gulf Arabs look very similar to the Mexican people in South Texas. *And several of the brother’s *had told me that while they were living there. People were always trying to speak Spanish to them. I told them if anybody starts to question you as to your ethnicity. Just reply in the few Spanish words that you can remember. Also, I advised them to keep their wives and children inside of the their apartments. Because all of their wives wore the black abayas and could easily identified as Muslim.

      * *Within a couple of days the national media had sent several reporters to the apartment complex. With large cameras on their shoulders and a microphone in their hand. They started knocking on doors hoping to find the Saudi Masjid or interview some of the Muslims who live there about the event on 9/11

      * *To the credit of the people who also lived at the apartment complex Not a single person or the management told which apartment the Masjid was located or where any of the Muslims lived to the reporters. The Muslims who lived at the apartment had been good and friendly neighbors and never caused any problems. It made my heart glad to see average American citizens protect innocent families from harassment. After 2 or 3 days the reporters went away and never returned.

      “driving on Interstate 10 heading West”

      * Within a few days of 9/11 a government official from their country came to the apartment and told me that I would have to leave. He stated they were worried about an American citizen living there in case an incident took place. And right now they did not need any more negative publicity.

      All of the brothers and their families had already been relocated to a undisclosed secure location. Their government had done this for their safety. Tensions and emotions were running high throughout our nation. And nobody knew what was going to happen.

      It was with a heavy heart that I once again packed my bags. Not knowing if I would ever see my Muslim brothers and sisters again. I would miss the evenings setting on the floor drinking tea and eating dates. While discussing Islam and the Quran; and listening to stories about life in their country. I would miss the strange and exotic food that their wives would prepare, and have their husbands deliver it to me in a covered dish to my apartment. I wasn’t much of a cook. So this was always a special treat.

      My car was packed with everything that I owned and I was now; “driving on Interstate 10 heading West”. The highway going there was long and straight as an arrow. Which seemed to be a metaphor for the; “Straight Path” that the Quran talks about.

      Surah 1:6 * “Show us the Straight Path”

      Both my mother and sister still lived back in Texas. The doctors would not release me to go back to work for a few more months. My younger Sister owned a large house and offered to let me stay in the guest bedroom until I could return to work. It would be a very long drive lasting all day and night. Giving me plenty of time to reflect on my life, and my journey to Islam.

      *I had been a Muslim for less than 6 months. My world had been turned completely turned upside down. I had gone from being an evangelical Christian with a stable family life, marriage, and a home. To a soon to be divorced, financially broke, homeless muslim convert, living in a Masjid.

      Yet, inexplicably, there was a complete sense of peace and calmness that seemed to surround me. Allah (swt) had been merciful and taken care of me in ways I could never have imagined.
       
      (Part 1)
    • By Saracen21stC
      Gitmo Prison Guard Converts From Atheism To Islam After Seeing Detainees ‘Wake Each Day And Smile’




       
      CNN has an amazing story out of Guantanamo Bay about an American atheist prison camp guard that converted to Islam after spending extensive time talking to with some of the English speaking prisoners there.

      Army Specialist Terry Holdbrooks arrived at Gitmo 2003 as “an angry, nearly atheistic 19-year-old MP and by the time he left a year later he was a practicing Muslim. Holdbrooks was amazed at how the detainees “could wake up each day and smile” even though they were locked away in a prison camp with little hope of freedom.

      So all of this got him thinking: “Obviously there’s something more to Islam than I had been told.”

      Like anybody curious about faith he started to inquire about it. Holdbrooks, a bit disenfranchised with his superiors and fellow soldiers, started speaking for hours with detainees about Islam. One even gave him a copy of the Islamic holy book, the Quran, to study and it led him to change his way of life.

      When he approached one of the prisoners about converting he was met with a warning that it would forever change his life. “You understand that if you become a Muslim your unit is going to look at you differently, your family, your country…you understand…your country is going to look at you in a way that isn’t going to be good. It’s going to make things difficult for you,” he was told.

      Since he converted Holdbrooks has left military service and become an outspoken opponent of the camp at Guantanamo Bay.

      Listen to the clip below via CNN.

      http://www.mediaite.com/online/gitmo-prison-guard-converts-from-atheism-to-Islam-after-seeing-detainees-wake-each-day-and-smile/
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