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How Much Of The Bible Do Muslims Actually Believe Is Corrupt

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Edit by admin: first 5 posts here were moved from another topic of a different discussion.

 

No one and no thing has a blood connection to God, who is One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

Arab Muslims are descendants of prophet Ibrahim, the father of the prophets.

If you're interested in some more details, please go here:

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/293/viewall/

How can that be when Jesus said: "Before Abraham was I am" do Muslims rule out everything Jesus said in the Bible? According to a statement like that, wouldn't Jesus be the father of all prophets?

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How can that be when Jesus said: "Before Abraham was I am" do Muslims rule out everything Jesus said in the Bible? According to a statement like that, wouldn't Jesus be the father of all prophets?

 

That's only in your man-made books, Redeemed.

Jesus is a prophet, son of Mary, daughter of Imran, born 2013 years ago. Prophet Ibrahim was born some 2000 years before him.

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We're going off-topic here Redeemed. You have other topics related to your questions about the Bible. I wonder why you circle your questions and discussions on Christianity most of the time, even when someone asks a question related to Islam, when you know that you've joined an Islamic forum. Anyhow, this link has the answer to your question:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

Feel free to start a new topic if you want to discuss what's in that link.

 

All prophets that we know of, except those before prophet Ibrahim of course, are descendants of prophet Ibrahim, including the 3 divine religions of prophet Musa (Moses), prophet Isa (Jesus) and prophet Mohammad. Only prophet Adam and prophet Noah came before prophet Ibrahim.

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If the Bible was not corrupted, then there would be no need for the Quran in the first place. Allah Al-Mighty revealed the Quran to prophet Muhammad, because all His previous messages were corrupted by man over time. That is also why, being His last message to us, it is the only message He guaranteed against any falsification until judgement day. Why is that not clear enough to you people? Its the same message, from the same author, only this time the message is sealed with a unique corrupt-free guarantee from the author Himself. Leave the corrupted copies and hold on the real one. Whatever true about Jesus and Christianity is there in the Quran, what's not is just man-made conjecture. Do you seek the truth? or conjecture?

 

Here is a detailed answer I'll quote for you:

 

What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth?

First of all, it is important to know that if the "Bibles" of today, with all their versions and differences in the quantity of their "books" and "gospels", were in fact theOriginal Holy Word of GOD Almighty, then there would be no need for the Noble Quran.  But since they are corrupt, then we obviously can't consider them as GOD Almighty's Holy and Divine Words.

There existed many different Bibles during the time of the Roman Emperor, Constantine, which were widely believed in by different Christian sects in the year 312.  In other words, during the first 3 centuries of "Christianity" (300 years), many different canons with 100s of books/gospels combined existed!  That is a lot of canons, a lot of books/gospels, and a lot of time (300 years) of different Christian religions existed.   Also, Constantine's own "unified canon or bible" got lost and only small portions of it were found!  So what we have today from "Bible(s)" are not even Constantine's books.

Let us listen to the following AUDIO files from the "Banned from the Bible" documentary film by some popular historians, theologians and books' authors were the spokes people in this film.  So, like I mentioned above, the information in the AUDIO files is very reliable, authentic and objective:

1-  Constantine's unified "Bible" was permanently lost!  Only portions of it were found almost 1/2 century later.

Theologians' voices are:

  1. John Dominic Crossan, Author, Excavating Jesus.
  2. Dr. Marvin Meyer, Author, The Gnostic Bible.

2-  Hundreds of conflicting manuscripts existed among early Christians.

Theologians' voices are:

  1. Daniel Smith-Christopher, Ph.D., Hebrew Bible Studies, Loyola Marymount University.
  2. Anthea D. Butler, Ph.D., Global Christianity, Loyala Marymount University.

   

The different "Canons" of the Bible!

Different and conflicting variations of "gospels" and "books" that are disagreed upon by the Churches today.

  

The Noble Quran came to confirm Truth that exists in the Manuscripts in the different canons and to filter out Truth from falsehood in them.  Allah Almighty never claimed that the bible is fully and 100% Divine.  Islam is a witness on the Bible.  It filters out the truth from falsehood and corruption in the Bible.  The Noble Quran only recognizes the Bible as a HISTORY BOOK with errors and man's alteration in it.  Anything that agrees 100% with Islam is valid, and anything else that has even the slightest disagreement with Islam is discarded:

"Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.  (The Noble Quran, 7:157)"

"It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment be tween right and wrong).  (The Noble Quran, 3:3)"

"To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;   (The Noble Quran, 5:48)"

"That which We have revealed to thee of the Book is the Truth,- confirming what was (revealed) before it: for God is assuredly- with respect to His Servants - well acquainted and Fully Observant.  (The Noble Quran, 35:31)"

That is why we Muslims believe in only the parts of the Bible that agree with the Noble Quran.  The parts that contradict the Noble Quran are not the Truth:

"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge;  That they said (in boast):  'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.'  But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.  Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise.  And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him  (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them.   (The Noble Quran, 4:156-159)"  

Allah Almighty here declares that Christianity is no more than a man-made conjecture.  And conjecture is forbidden in the Glorious Quran.

  

Conjecture is forbidden in the Glorious Quran:  
  • "But they have no knowledge therein. They follow nothing but conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth. (The Noble Quran, 53:28)"
      
  • "And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing butconjecture.  (The Noble Quran, 2:78)"
      
  • "Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of God. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but lie.  (The Noble Quran, 6:116)"
      
  • "Those who give partners (to God) will say: "If God had wished, we should not have given partners to Him nor would our fathers; nor should we have had any taboos." So did their ancestors argue falsely, until they tasted of Our wrath. Say: "Have ye any (certain) knowledge? If so, produce it before us. Ye follow nothing but conjecture: ye do nothing but lie."  (The Noble Quran, 6:148)"
      
  • "And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture:  (The Noble Quran, 45:24)"
      
  • "These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which God has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!  (The Noble Quran, 53:23)"

 

  

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.  Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.   (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.  (The Noble Quran, 5:41)"

"But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)!   Come to common terms as between us and you:  That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.'  If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).'   (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"

Narrated Ubaidullah:  "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!"  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"

Please visit Contradictions and Proofs of Historical Corruption in the Bible.

In the "Missionary Traps for Muslims" section below in the article, you will see detailed explanations that will further shed some light upon what parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth.

Please visit Why did GOD Almighty allow for the Bible to get corrupted?

Did Prophet Muhammad recognize the Bible as an error-free book?

My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Fully Detailed Or Incomplete?" article. 

My rebuttal to Sam and Jochen's "Is the Torah like the Qur'an, or is it not?" article.

What is the best way to convert a Christian to Islam?

Obvious mistranslations of the Hebrew Manuscripts.  See proofs of alterations and deceptions done by the Jews and Christians to disprove Islam in the Bible.

 

Source and more details: http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

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Why couldn't God have preserved His word the first time so there wouldn't be a need for any other books to straighten out corruption?

 

Because He never said so in any of His messages, except in the Quran.

There is another reason. Islam is not just a religion, its a complete way of life. Other messages where only steps towards the perfect religion and final message. Allah tested man for thousands of years, and we proved to be unreliable, prone to falsify holy messages just to serve our own interests throughout history. In the Quran, its as if Allah said to us: enough of all that, this time I'll make sure myself that no one can ever touch my final message to you people. That's it, game over for all falsifiers.

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Admin has many points wrong in his post.

 

Clarification number one, 

 

 Constantine did not invent any Bible nor did he have any conflicting Bible, he just legalized the religion in the Roman empire at the time, 

 

Ignatious of antioch

St. Clement of Alexandria 

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There is no way of knowing. It could be ten quotes, or the entire book.

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Some Muslims say that logic is the reward of their faith. Did it occur to you that if God couldn't preserve the first word He gave, He wouldn't be able to do it now as well?

Muslims are wanting me to illogically believe that man's power to corrupt is greater that God's power to preserve the Scriptures that came before; then Muslims ironically say that logic is the reward of their faith.

Muslims say they don't believe in God's tri unity because it is not logical, but it makes more sense than believing God couldn't protect the first Scriptures He gave.

Did it ever dawn on you that it was up to the PEOPLE to preserve the book, and we just hadn't learned the lesson until the Quran was revealed? We were responsible, and kept failing. Allah revealed the Quran and gave us instructions on how to preserve it (recitation and memorization).

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