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If God wanted to have a son, why couldn't He. Is God bound by why men say He can or cannot do?

 

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(68. They say: "Allah has taken a son.'' Glory is to Him! He is Rich (free of all needs). His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. No warrant have you for this. Do you say against Allah what you know not.) (69. Say: "Verily, those who invent a lie against Allah will never be successful.'') (70. (A brief) enjoyment in this world! and then unto Us will be their return, then We shall make them taste the severest torment because they used to disbelieve.) (From Surah 10)

 

(39:4). Had Allah willed to take a son, He could have chosen whom He willed out of those whom He created. But glory be to Him! He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible.)

 

(81. Say: "If the Most Gracious had a son, then I am the first of the worshippers.'') (82. Glorified is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne! Exalted be He from all that they ascribe (to Him).) (83. So leave them (alone) to speak nonsense and play until they meet the Day of theirs which they have been promised.) (84. It is He Who is the only God in the heaven and the only God on the earth. And He is the All-Wise, the All-Knower.)  (Surah 43)

 

(92. But it is not suitable for the Most Gracious that He should beget a son.) (93. There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Gracious as a slave.) (Surah 19)

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Younes showed you many verses from the quran but you still repeat yourself. You are like this in nearly every thread. You ask a question, ignore the answer and then refer to the bible which we do not believe in. 

 

Allah is above having a son because He told us so. He doesn't need reasons etc, he is free of need. You have a different concept of God but this is the concept of God in Islam. We don't care that you believe God has a son. God is of a different nature - that is the Islamic concept which you clearly fail to understand. Nobody expects you to accept what Islam says, that is your own choice, but when people give you clear answers stop behaving like you haven't got the answers. I am sure many members here can see the game you are playing. 

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(101. He is the Badi` (Originator) of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything.)

 

(11. The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates. By this means He creates you. There is nothing like Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.) 

 

Allah is above having a son because begetting children/offspring is of human and animal nature, and Allah is not of human or animal nature. The concept of a son is a human concept, not a Divine one. Thus, Allah is above it. 

 

Why hasn't Allah taken a son? He has need no for one nor does He want one.

 

(171. O People of the Scripture! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah except the truth. Al-Masih `Isa, son of Maryam, was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from ﴿created by﴾ Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three!'' Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is only One God, hallowed be He above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.)

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 From this verses I understand that had Allah wanted a son he could've taken one, but it is not suitable for him to have one. Now, that doesn't answer the question of this thread. Why is it not suitable for Allah to have a son? This question has not been answered along with why is he above having a son?

 

Again, saying he is above having a son, and it is not suitable for him to have one doesn't answer my question at all especially when God says Jesus is His beloved son in the Holy Scriptures that came before. It is not possible for the most high to go from having a son to not having a son. If you say the Allah of Islam is not the same God of the Bible than that makes sense and would answer the question, but you haven't given me a reason yet!

 

God's word cannot be a slave anymore that my word can be a slave to me. If anything I am a slave of my words. God exalts His word above all His name!

 

According to the Holy Scriptures that came before, Jesus is the word of the Most Gracious! How can Allah/God be greater than His word in nature?

 

Allah cannot take a son.

 

Having offspring (contrary to the Greek and Roman or Egyptian traditions) is not in line with the original concept of Allah (swt) or if you prefer I can go even older and use the Jewish name of Yahweh.  He is above this concept.  To attribute this kind of concept into the original monotheism is to introduce the beginning of polytheism.  God is capable of all things except that which ceases to make him God.  If God has a son then more questions must spiral from this, is he really the originator of life? Is he some alien being?  And don't tell me they don't because I grew up watching it occur both on the television and anywhere I went listening to people contemplating the idea of God in the U.S.  This is where this leads.  The sad thing is that a Jew will tell you the same thing.

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If God wanted to have a son, why couldn't He. Is God bound by why men say He can or cannot do?

 

Its the other way round. We humans are bound by what our Creator says about Himself. We are bound by what He says about everything.

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Redeemed.

 

No warrant have you for this. Do you say against Allah what you know not. Say: "Verily, those who invent a lie against Allah will never be successful.'' A brief enjoyment in this world! and then unto Us will be their return, then We shall make them taste the severest torment because they used to disbelieve.

 

When I read Allah's words above I become fearful.   why don't you prove to us he has a son.  Because I am sensing an immeasurable rage coming your way from those words.

 

Start here:  No warrant have you for this. Do you say against Allah what you know not. Say: "Verily, those who invent a lie against Allah will never be successful.''

 

Did Allah say He said that? (had a son)

Who was the bloke who wrote it?

Was he there?

When did he write it (what year were the "gospels" written?

Who came first, Paul or his followers?

Whose gospel did Paul preach?

Was Paul a witness?

Were the disciples literate or dirt poor peasant class?

Was a judean peasant able to afford or have access to a greek education?

What was the historical environent in judea at the time of jesus?

All i see from xians is they say 'we have faith - that is our proof."

 

And this is Allah's reply to that desire:

No warrant have you for this. Do you say against Allah what you know not. Say: "Verily, those who invent a lie against Allah will never be successful.'' A brief enjoyment in this world! and then unto Us will be their return, then We shall make them taste the severest torment because they used to disbelieve.

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Allah said in the Quran if he wanted he could've taken a son, but he is above that. Therefore, Allah saying he is above having a son is not a reason, but I noticed that had he wanted he could've have taken one. No one is playing games with you. Why don't you just say you honestly don't know the reason instead of saying because Allah said so as if that answers the question. You know it doesn't answer my question, and you know I am not playing games!

 

BTW, you might not care that the Bible states that God said, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well please..." But to me these are God's sacred words.

But you just continually refuse to accept that this is Islam. Islam is not Christianity. Allah does not need to please you and give you reasons for every single little thing in life. We are the ones who are to please Allah and we are the ones who will have to answer Him not the other way around. Your concept of God is different.

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God doesn't need a wife to have a son. Why would God having a son stop Him from being only one God or be all knowing? Jesus is the word of God; this is not excess in religion. It even states it in the Quran that He is the word from Allah. Jesus is the word God used to create all things. He is "Be" which is a form of I am. Jesus said. "Before Abraham was I am." Please look at the I am! He said that for a reason that I understand and you unfortunately don't!

We do not need to exaggerate what Allah told us. Yes Jesus had the word of Allah because he revealed things that Allah told him! That doesn't make him God/his son. The whole concept of Allah having a son whom he killed for the sake of humanity is truly ignorant. Jesus will not save the people who say such things. Jesus will distance himself on Judgement Day from people who made lies about him. As it says many times in the quran, wait for judgement day because we are also waiting.

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I do accept that Islam is not Christianity, but can you accept that Christianity is not Islam? We are the ones to please God is not what I am arguing against, but I'll say it is not possible to please God outside of Christ. It is written that every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of the father you don't know. I long for the return of Christ. It is also written blessed are those who long for His coming

I am not stupid here I know that you are not here to learn about Islam. You have showed it so many times in your posts. You just drop bible quotes everywhere even when it isnt necessary. You are just here trying to defend your beliefs and bible. I have met many people like you. 

 

Jesus had the word of God? Quote your source. It is written that Jesus is the word of God and the Quran states He is His word not had His word.

 

Jesus will not save the people that say he is the word of God? Quote your source! I do not lie when I say the Scriptures refer to Jesus as the word of God incarnate. The lie is saying Jesus is not the son of God, because everything God says is true. He said, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased hear ye Him" I cannot and will not call God a liar!

If these were my words, you'd have an argument but they are not my words, but what you have said is your words unless you can quote the sources for what you said.

 

I have exaggerated nothing, as I mentioned, I can back up what I said with Scriptures; can you?

You don't know what you are talking about. You will never convince me that Jesus is God so give up. You don't understand what the word means from an Islamic context. Read the quran and stop saying things that aren't true. Jesus was the word of Allah in relation to his birth when Allah said BE. 

 

Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! (5:75)

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I long for the return of Christ. It is also written blessed are those who long for His coming

 

That's a common belief between Christians and Muslims. We know that Jesus is the only living messenger, and that Allah will send him back to save us all from the dajjal and the people of yagog and magog. Not surprising, since the author is the same, Allah Al-Mighty. The problem is that your book was falsified and many hilarious ideas were added. There is now a new, final version of that book, only this time it is protected against falsification by the author himself. Its called the Quran, and its available at your local bookstore. Get your copy today!

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If God wanted to have a son, why couldn't He. Is God bound by why men say He can or cannot do?

 

beacuse God does not need anything, what is the purpose of having children?

 

to continue the race, people also need children for creation of happines in their life, and of course children can help them when they get older.

 

so if God needed son, it would mean he depends on something, and God does not depend on anything, nor does he need children like all other creatures need expect Angels.

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If God wanted to have a son, why couldn't He. Is God bound by why men say He can or cannot do?

 

Did god tell you that he wanted a son? how do you manage to come up with such hilarious assumptions?

Redeem, try to focus please: what we know about Allah is what He tells us Himself. He commanded us to Say:

He is Allah, [who is] One.
Allah, the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born.
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.
 
Do you see a son between those lines?
Religions aside, how can you imagine, in your sane mind, that the creator of the heavens and the earth, and everything in between, wanted to have a kid of his own, when he does already own every single person in this world and the next, along with everything in the universe, including the universe itself?
 
Did Jesus create you? its God who created you, and you know it. Worship The One who created you, created Jesus, and created the heavens and the earth and everything in between.
 
Come to your senses Redeem. You say in your profile that you're  a believer, not a Christian. But in fact you're neither a Christian nor a believer. You're a victim of a set of man-made falsifications. To be a real believer, never associate any humans with God, The Lord Al-Mighty. Even if you locked your heart permanently against Islam, which is a pity, at least worship The One who created you. Alone. Do not worship humans beside Him.

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I could say the same about you. Why do you associate Muhammad with Allah in the second part of the shahada? 

 

Why when you feel embarrassed and speechless, you resort to slaner and lies? Why not answer my questions instead?

We're not in fight here Redeemed. I dedicated much of my time for several days now to try and advise you. But instead of stopping for a while and think of what is being said to you out of honesty and love, you say ridiculous things.

Who ever said that we Muslims associate prophet Muhammad, or any other human or non-human, with The Lord Al-Mighty?

The shahada is in 2 parts, the first part says:

 

"I bear witness that there is no god but Allah"

What part in "there is no god but Allah" you can't understand? If that is not English to you, I don't know what is.

 

..and the second part says:

 

"and that Muhammad is His messenger."

 

Please point out what part confuses you in those simple and direct words?

 

Now, there is 2 possibilities here: you are either [1] highly misinformed about Islam, in which case we'll help you as much as you need. Or [2] you're here not to learn, but to slander and show some hate. If that is the case, perhaps others are more patient, but myself I have zero tolerance for dishonesty. So here is the deal. Every time you avoid answering a question I ask you, and instead attack Islam to escape from the answer, you will get a warning. If you decided not to answer, you will also get a warning. That would save us both the time.

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I also prefer to call you a preacher, but I recall that you were annoyed when I mentioned it. Now you hate the alternative term.

A sister also raised a valid point, regarding other non-Muslims. But anyhow, if other Christians agreed with you, then we can change it back if you insist.

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