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The following is from an IslamIC website:

 

 

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/66/27

 

"Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Umar said, Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur'an) yet we leave some of what he recites.' Ubai says, 'PI have taken it from the mouth of Allah's Messenger () and will not leave for anything whatever."

 

http://sunnah.com/muslim/12/156

 

"We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13)."

 

 
 
"Az-Zuhri said: "'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah bin 'Utbah informed me that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud disliked Zaid bin Thabit copying the Musahif, and he said: 'O you Muslims people! Avoid copying the Mushaf and the recitation of this man. By Allah! When I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man' - meaning Zaid bin Thabit - and it was regarding this that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud said: 'O people of Al-'Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them."

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Who is "Ubai "?   One would need to be fluent in arabic to research that.

 

But 'Ubai' is a suspicious name.  Especially as he had confused the words of the Qur'an with what he heard from the Messenger i.e.  an hadith.    The corruption is in the fellow's memory not the Qur'an.

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These are direct Hadith quotes from an Islamic website. 

 

Ubai ibn Kab is top reciter of the Koran, and best teacher of the Koran, according to Mohammed himself. 

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Umar RA says  "yet we leave some of what he recites."

 

You will go nowhere with this. The  doubt is on Ubayy not the Qur'an.   Find another subject to discuss.

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Thank you for saying Mohammed was wrong, since Mohammed told people to learn the Koran from Ubai.


Now address the second and third passages.

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Thank you for saying Mohammed was wrong, since Mohammed told people to learn the Koran from Ubai.
 
I did not say what you have said.  I told you it's an issue with this Ubai(?) and what he recites from what he heard from the Qur'an.    Where does it say "Said the Rasool of Allah...." 
 

 

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Umar said, Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur'an) yet we leave some of what he recites.' Ubai says, 'PI have taken it from the mouth of Allah's Messenger () and will not leave for anything whatever."

 

And the 2nd issue is similar.  The companion has mixed what he heard from the Qur'an with what he heard from the Messenger (hadith)

 

The 3rd issue proves you are a silly person. You don't understand the situation..  You see the muslims are fanatically jealous of the Qur'an and guarding it.  Something a christian is unable to comprehend.  The best reply here is LOL or maybe ROFL.

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1) You didn't quote the whole hadith: "But Allah said "None of Our Revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar." 2.106". In other words, the recitation of some verses was abrogated. Thus, there is no corruption involved. By the way, Ubai bin K'ab, who was one of the best reciters, was among the committee that compiled the Qur'an and he is one of the people from whom the recitation of the Qur'an has been transmitted.

 

2) The second hadith you quoted deals with one of the abrogated verses.

 

3) You didn't quote the whole hadith. I am not going to quote the whole hadith either but here is the part that relates to what Ibn Mas'ud said about Zaid bin Thabit: "Az-Zuhri said: "It was conveyed to me that some men amongst the most virtuous of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) disliked that view of Ibn Mas'ud.""

 

Ibn Mas'ud said this because he was very angry for being left out of the committee that prepared the Mushaf. Like he says in the hadith, he was one of the earliest Muslims who learnt the Qur'an. But his saying was just said in anger, he didn't really have any charge against Zaid who was the Prophet's scribe. Another thing for you to take into consideration is that recitation of the Qur'an has been transmitted from Ibn Mas'ud like it has been from Ubai. Thus, your argument of the Qur'an being corrupt does not hold water. The reason why Ibn Mas'ud was not included in the committee is rather simple - he was in Iraq while most of the learnt Companions of the Prophet were in al-Madinah.

 

If you want to read about the compilation of the Qur'an instead of quoting hadiths randomly without understanding the whole context, here is an excellent book on the subject: http://www.gawaher.com/downloads/history_of_quranic_text.pdf

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Good reply Younes , perhaps you should offer the same advice to abu Ahmad , for he does the same in attempting to refute the Christian Verses .

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This is what I would honestly like.

 

If the Muslims can do a refutation of ALL the Hadiths presented in this video:

 

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1. If there is an issue with Ubai, there is an issue with Mohammed.

 

Mohammed told people to learn the Koran from Ubai.


http://sunnah.com/bukhari/66/21


"For I heard the Prophet saying, 'Take (learn) the Qur'an from four: `Abdullah bin Masud, Salim, Mu`adh and Ubai bin Ka`b.' "

 

So Thank You for saying Mohammed is Wrong.


2.  The second passage does not refer to abgrogation.  This is the beginning of the passage:

 

"You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you...."


What it is saying, is that people simply forgot the verses through a lapse in recitation.   

 

3.  For the third passage, you have no argument other than "But his saying was just in anger" and "he didn't really have any charge against Zaid" etc.  There are many Hadiths that say Abdullah ibn Masud condemned Zayd Ibn Thabit:

 

"The people have been guilty of deceit in the reading of the Qu'ran. I like it better to read according to the recitation of him whom I love more than of Zayd Ibn Thabit."

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Well now I'm getting confused. In a separate thread I proposed that the Quran is: true, clear, understandable and complete. No one disagreed with that proposal!

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Well now I'm getting confused. In a separate thread I proposed that the Quran is: true, clear, understandable and complete. No one disagreed with that proposal!

Don't be. Your thread looking from a positive angle. While here from the opposite. Let's see what other members say.

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