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[New] Mathematical Miracle Of Surah Baqarh "alm"

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Introduction

Brothers and sisters, a few days ago, I have discovered multiple mathematical patterns in surah Baqarah. I have even unraveled the meaning of the mysterious letters at the beginning of the chapter "alm". Before continuing to read this post though, I recommend you learn about the number 19 and it's importance in the Quran if you don't know about it already.

Frequency of The Letters "ALM" in Surah Baqarah

The frequency of the letters "alif, lam, meem" are very important in understanding the mathematical patterns in this chapter.

Alif (أ): Appears in all 286 verses

Lam (ل): Appears in all 286 verses

Meem (م): Appears in 283 verses

The Miraclous Math

If we were to add the three numbers listed above (286 + 286 + 283), we will come to a sum of 855.

855 is a multiple of 19 (19 x 45).

But I'm not done.

855 / 19 = 45.

The sum of all the digits (2 + 8 + 6 + 2 + 8 + 6 + 2 + 8 + 3) in 286;286;283 is... 45.

Still not done.

If we were to concatenate the three numbers in the order they already are, we would get 286,286,283. We need to add the number 2 to the beginning though as an identifier for surah Baqarah (second chapter in Quran). The final number is 2,286,286,283.

That number, is indeed a multiple of 19 (2,286,286,283 / 19 = 120,330,857).

And 120330857 is also a multiple of 19 (120330857 / 19 = 6,333,203).

Conclusion

The Quran is the word of God. Nobody could recite such perfection.

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Some members have been discussing this sort of thing for months!!! :) it's actually quite an interesting thread you should read it. Russell has put in hours of work (it seems it must be so to me) in showing that many, many books have the same mathematical probabilities that you take to be "miracles".

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Interesting work, Miracle_19, but unlike you, I cannot for the life of me see how playing around with numerology leads you to so adamant a conclusion that the Qur'an is the work of God.  Intersections of numbers may be coincidences or may have been purposefully designed; they could be freaky or unbelievable: but whichever the case, it cannot be claimed to be evidence of the hand of God.  I would love you to elaborate on your claim, if you have the time or inclination.

Cheers and thank you.

Olaf.

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Interesting work, Miracle_19, but unlike you, I cannot for the life of me see how playing around with numerology leads you to so adamant a conclusion that the Qur'an is the work of God.  Intersections of numbers may be coincidences or may have been purposefully designed; they could be freaky or unbelievable: but whichever the case, it cannot be claimed to be evidence of the hand of God.  I would love you to elaborate on your claim, if you have the time or inclination.

Cheers and thank you.

Olaf.

Well I think everybody can agree that the Quran was either authored by God or Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). Prophet Muhammad was illiterate so he revealed the Quran verbally. Based on the fact that Prophet Muhammad was illiterate and that the Quran was revealed verbally, we can conclude that Prophet Muhammad couldn't have designed these mathematical patterns. But that still leaves the possibility that these mathematical patterns were a coincidence (like you said).

But like I said in my initial post, the number 19 is a very important number to keep in mind when dealing with numerology in the Quran. Why? In verse 74:30 and 74:31, God says he made the number a trial for those who disbelieve. I have tried finding mathematical patterns in the Quran that are based off of other numbers such as 17, 18, or 20 but I came up with absolutely nothing.

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Introduction

Brothers and sisters, a few days ago, I have discovered multiple mathematical patterns in surah Baqarah. I have even unraveled the meaning of the mysterious letters at the beginning of the chapter "alm". Before continuing to read this post though, I recommend you learn about the number 19 and it's importance in the Quran if you don't know about it already.

Frequency of The Letters "ALM" in Surah Baqarah

The frequency of the letters "alif, lam, meem" are very important in understanding the mathematical patterns in this chapter.

Alif (أ): Appears in all 286 verses

Lam (ل): Appears in all 286 verses

Meem (م): Appears in 283 verses

The Miraclous Math

If we were to add the three numbers listed above (286 + 286 + 283), we will come to a sum of 855.

855 is a multiple of 19 (19 x 45).

But I'm not done.

855 / 19 = 45.

The sum of all the digits (2 + 8 + 6 + 2 + 8 + 6 + 2 + 8 + 3) in 286;286;283 is... 45.

Still not done.

If we were to concatenate the three numbers in the order they already are, we would get 286,286,283. We need to add the number 2 to the beginning though as an identifier for surah Baqarah (second chapter in Quran). The final number is 2,286,286,283.

That number, is indeed a multiple of 19 (2,286,286,283 / 19 = 120,330,857).

And 120330857 is also a multiple of 19 (120330857 / 19 = 6,333,203).

Conclusion

The Quran is the word of God. Nobody could recite such perfection.

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and moby has been debunked Quran has 19 all over the place and has 7 all over the place the chapter verses are symmetrical it has word counts day is mentioned 365 times  etc etc moby doesnt have any of this

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and moby has been debunked Quran has 19 all over the place and has 7 all over the place the chapter verses are symmetrical it has word counts day is mentioned 365 times  etc etc moby doesnt have any of this

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No, not everybody will agree that the Quran was either authored by God or Muhammad...in any case, most certainly not by any god, because the concept of any god is purely delusional.  More likely than not, the Quran was authored by a number of caliphs, scholars and theocrats over various periods of time.  The distinction needs to be made between 'beliefs' on the one hand, and what can be known with certainty on the other: i.e. gods are products of the human imagination, books are written by humans.

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The nature of proof is that the same proof must apply to every instance of the underlying system. It follows that if these mathematical curiosities prove divine authorship then ANY book which has them must also be of divine origin. If these so called proofs only apply to the Quran then it would be like saying Ohm's law only applies to one particular circuit and so it would be worthless.

In fact one can find the numerical curiosities in all sorts of books including the Bible.

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The nature of proof is that the same proof must apply to every instance of the underlying system. It follows that if these mathematical curiosities prove divine authorship then ANY book which has them must also be of divine origin. If these so called proofs only apply to the Quran then it would be like saying Ohm's law only applies to one particular circuit and so it would be worthless.

In fact one can find the numerical curiosities in all sorts of books including the Bible.

no you cant, if so then show me, but in that other topic i posted above

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Here is a very simple question....

In a court of law "hearsay" evidence is not allowed. That is because it is considered unreliable.

Hearsay means evidence that like this: "he said that so and so said". In other words, hearsay means second hand evidence. You are telling not what you saw or heard but what someone else did.

Now,imagine this:

Someone says his invisible and unavailable friend called Gabriel said to him, and only him, that some other invisible and very shy friend called Allah said something. Nobody has ever seen either of there two people, and nobody has even been able to check. However, we are told that this Gabriel has 600 pairs of wings, and hates pictures, statues and even dogs, for some reason.Aged female breasts also seem to drive him away the story goes...

You only have this someone's word for this chain of hearsay, and we cannot even be sure that the words have not be messed about with later, as the text you have has been written a long tome later, and variant versions have been burnt.

In addition, many people who actually knew this "someone" personally described him as a "bewitched", "mad" or a "poet"? Even his own uncle thought he was a faker, and he thought himself mad and wanted to kill himself once. He also admitted freely that at least on one occasion he tranmitted a message NOT given to him by this Gabriel, but he was tricked, he claims.

So we have a double hearsay account from someone described by many (and himself) as somewhat unhinged.

Would you say you have a good and solid foundation to build your life on?

Let's face it, whould you trust him enough to by a car of him?

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