Jump to content
Islamic Forum
CaptainHowdy

Debunking Prophet in Vedas and Purans

Recommended Posts

On 5/3/2009 at 3:35 PM, Muslimah7 said:

I) Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in Bhavishya Purana 1

 

.

 

According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8.

"A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, "I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents."

The Prophecy clearly states:

(i) The name of the Prophet as Mohammad.

(ii) He will belong to Arabia. The Sanskrit word Marusthal means a sandy track of land or a desert.

(iii) Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet, i.e. the Sahabas. No other Prophet had as many companions as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

(iv) He is referred as the pride of mankind (Parbatis nath). The Glorious Qur’an reconfirms this

"And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character"

[Al-Qur'an 68:4]

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)".

[Al-Qur'an 33:21]

(v) He will kill the devil, i.e. abolish idol worship and all sorts of vices.

(vi) The Prophet will be given protection against his enemy.

Some people may argue that Raja Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century C.E. 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realise that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj. There were several Raj Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century C.E.

The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom.

2. According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:

"The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations."

The Prophecy states that:

(i) The evil doers have corrupted the Arab land.

(ii) Arya Dharma is not found in that land.

(iii) The Indian Raja need not go the Arab land since his purification will take place in India after the musalmaan will arrive in India.

(iv) The coming Prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people.

(v) The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised. They will be without a tail on the head and bear a beard and will create a great revolution.

(vi) They will announce the Aadhaan, i.e. ‘the Muslim call for prayer’.

(vii) He will only eat lawful things and animals but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places:

In Surah Al-Baqarah chapter 2 verse 173

In Surah Al-Maidah chapter 5 verse 3

In Surah Al-Anam chapter 6 verse 145

In Surah Al-Nahl chapter 16 verse 115

"Forbidden to you for food are dead meat, blood, flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah".

(viii) They will not purify with grass like the Hindus but by means of sword they will fight their irreligious people.

(ix) They will be called musalmaan.

(x) They will be a meat-eating nation.

The eating of herbivorous animals is confirmed by the Qur’an in Surah Maidah, chapter 5 verse 1 and in Surah Muminun chapter 23 verse 21

3. According to Bhavishya Purana, Parv - III Khand 1 Adhay 3 Shloka 21-23:

"Corruption and persecution are found in seven sacred cities of Kashi, etc. India is inhabited by Rakshas, Shabor, Bhil and other foolish people. In the land of Malechhas, the followers of the Malechha dharma (Islam) are wise and brave people. All good qualities are found in Musalmaans and all sorts of vices have accumulated in the land of the Aryas. Islam will rule in India and its islands. Having known these facts, O Muni, glorify the name of thy lord".

The Qur’an confirms this in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 33 and in Surah Al Saff chapter 61 verse 9:

"It is He who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it)".

A similar message is given in Surah Fatah chapter 48 verses 28 ending with, "and enough is Allah as a witness".

Bhavishya Purana : The Prediction of Islam And Muhammad

According to Bhavishya purana

Mahamada (Incarnation of Tripurasura the Asura) = Dharmadushika (Polluter of righteousness)

Religion founded by Mahamada = Paisachyadharama (Evil corrupted religion)

Original Sanskrit Version: Bhavishya Puran: Prati Sarg: Part III:3,3 5-27 (Refer attachment)

Shri Suta Gosvami said: In the dynasty of king Shalivahana, there were ten kings who went to the heavenly planets after ruling for over 500 years. Then gradually the morality declined on the earth. At that time Bhojaraja was the tenth of the kings on the earth. When he saw that the moral law of conduct was declining he went to conquer all the directions of his country with ten-thousand soldiers commanded by Kalidasa. He crossed the river Sindhu and conquered over the gandharas, mlecchas, shakas, kasmiris, naravas and sathas. He punished them and collected a large ammount of wealth. Then the king went along with Mahamada (Muhammad), the preceptor of mleccha-dharma, and his followers to the great god, Lord Shiva, situated in the desert. He bathed Lord Shiva with Ganges water and worshipped him in his mind with pancagavya (milk, ghee, yoghurt, cow dung, and cow urine) and sandalwood paste, etc. After he offered some prayers and pleased him.

Suta Goswami said: After hearing the king’s prayers, Lord Shiva said: O king Bhojaraja, you should go to the place called Mahakakshvara, that land is called Vahika and now is being contaminated by the mlecchas. In that terrible country there no longer exists dharma. There was a mystic asura named Tripura(Tripurasura), whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada(Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of a ghost. Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghost. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified. Hearing this the king came back to his country and Mahamada(Muhammad) came with them to the bank of the river Sindhu. He was expert in expanding illusion, so he said to the king very pleasingly: O great king, your god has become my servant. Just see, as he eats my remnants, so I will show you. The king became surprised when he saw this just before them. Then in anger Kalidasa rebuked Mahamada(Muhammad) “O rascal, you have created an illusion to bewilder the king, I will kill you, you are the lowest…”

That city is known as their site of pilgrimage, a place which was Madina or free from intoxication. Having a form of a ghost (Bhuta), the expert illusionist Mahamada(Muhammad) appeared at night in front of king Bhojaraja and said: O king, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still I am going to establish a terrible and corrupted religion by the order of the Lord . The symptoms of my followers will be that they first of all will cut their genitals, have no shikha, but having beard, be wicked, make noise loudly and eat everything. They should eat animals without performing any rituals. This is my opinion. They will perform purificatory act with the musala or a pestle as you purify your things with kusha. Therefore, they will be known as musalman, the corrupters of religion. Thus the corrupted evil religion will be founded by me. After having heard all this the king came back to his palace and that ghost(Muhammad) went back to his place.

The intelligent king, Bhojaraj established the language of Sanskrit in three varnas – the brahmanas, kshatriyas and vaisyas – and for the shudras he established prakrita-bhasha, the ordinary language spoken by common men. After ruling his kingdom for 50 years, he went to the heavenly planet. The moral laws established by him were honored even by the demigods. The arya-varta, the pious land is situated between Vindhyacala and Himacala or the mountains known as Vindhya and Himalaya. The Aryans reside there, but varna-sankaras reside on the lower part of Vindhya. The musalman people were kept on the other side of the river Sindhu.

On the island of Barbara, Tusha and many others also the followers of Isamsiha were also situated as they were managed by a king or demigods.

________________________________________________-

Note This

Lord Shiva said: O king Bhojaraja, you should go to the place called Mahakakshvara, that land is called Vahika and now is being contaminated by the mlecchas. In that terrible country there no longer exists dharma. There was a mystic asura named Tripura(Tripurasur), whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada(Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of a ghost.

According to Bhavishya Purana Muhammad was the rebirth of Tripurasura the Asura.

Tripurasura was killed by Shiva in his(Tripurasura’s) past life. Citation - (http://www.ashtavinayaktemples.com/temple.asp?serialno=3&tempid=T009)

म्लेच्छ mleccha

1 A barbarian,a non Aryan ( One not speaking the Sanskrit Language or not conform in to Hindu or Aryan institutions),a foreigner in general

2 An Outcast, a very low man, Bodhayana thus defines the word:

gomAmsakhAdako yastu viruddhaM bahubhAshhate | sarvAchAravihInashcha mlechchha ityabhidhiiyate |

He who eats cow’s meat, and speaks a lot against shastras and he, who is also devoid of all forms of spiritual practice, is called a mlechha.

3 A sinner, A wicked person, A savage or barbarian race

 

Prophet Muhammed is mentioned as bringer of corruption . As per Bhavishya Purana .

 

 

Quote

 

II Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised in Atharvaveda

 

1.

 

In the 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas (chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukta. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.

Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Makkah is called the Ummul Qur’a the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth. In many revealed books it was the first house of Divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Qur’an says in

Surah Ali-Imran chapter 3, verse 96:

"The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakkah (Makkah) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings".

Thus Kuntap stands for Makkah or Bakkah.

Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Bloomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandit Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc.

The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:

Mantra 1

He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.

b) Mantra 2

He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.

c) Mantra 3

He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.

d) Mantra 4

Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.

(i) The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).

The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.

(ii) He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah. The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, "A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an ###### and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath".

(iii) (a) This mantra gave the Rishi's name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).

(b) He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Makkan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Makkah to Abysinia. Later when Prophet migrated to Madinah all of them joined him in Madinah.

© The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) known as Ashra-Mubbashshira (10 bestowed with good news). These were foretold in this world of their salvation in the hereafter i.e. they were given the good news of entering paradise by the Prophet’s own lips and after naming each one he said "in Paradise". They were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman Ibn Auf, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, Saad bin Zaid and Abu Ubaidah (May Allah be well-pleased with all of them).

(d) The Sanskrit word Go is derived from Gaw which means ‘to go to war’. A cow is also called Go and is a symbol of war as well as peace. The 10,000 cows refer to the 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet (pbuh) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed. The 10,000 companions were pious and compassionate like cows and were at the same time strong and fierce and are described in the Holy Quran in Surah Fatah:

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other."

[Al-Qur'an 48:29]

(iv) This mantra calls the Prophet as Rebh which means one who praises, which when translated into Arabic is Ahmed, which is another name for the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

2. Battle of the Allies described in the Vedas.

It is mentioned in Atharvaveda Book XX Hymn 21 verse 6, "Lord of the truthful! These liberators drink these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in the field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one."

(i) This Prophecy of the Veda describes the well-known battle of Ahzab or the battle of the Allies during the time of Prophet Muhammed. The Prophet was victorious without an actual conflict which is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Ahzab:

"When the believers saw the confederate forces they said, "This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true." And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience."

[Al-Qur'an 33:22]

(ii) The Sanskrit word karo in the Mantra means the ‘praying one’ which when translated

into Arabic means ‘Ahmed’, the second name of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).

iii) The 10,000 opponents mentioned in the Mantra were the enemies of the Prophet and the Muslims were only 3000 in number.

iv) The last words of the Mantra aprati ni bashayah means the defeat was given to the enemies without an actual fight.

3. The enemies’ defeat in the conquest of Makkah is mentioned in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 21 verse no 9:

"You have O Indra, overthrown 20 kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariot wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan."

i) The population of Makkah at the time of Prophet’s advent was nearly 60,000.

ii) There were several clans in Makkah each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Makkah.

iii) An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far-famed and ‘praised one’. Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God.

 

 

 

 

1. By this logic, all books of spiritualism and self-help and their content would mean Islam! Because Peace and removal of misery are the primary goals of any spiritual text on self-help book.

2. Considering that Vedas came way before Muhammad founded Islam, this only means that whatever peaceful or good was brought by Muhammad in Islam was actually already a part of Vedic traditions. And that the word Islam was already existing way before Muhammad adapted it to name his cult.

It is welcoming that Muslims are now acknowledging that they owe their peacefulness to Vedas. I hope they would take this journey of seeking truth even further and completely embrace the Vedas to reach their original roots.

>Lets talk about kuntap stuff.


1. Which dictionary states that Kuntaap means hidden glands in the abdomen?

2. Further, even if it means so, how does it link with navel? In abdomen, all other organs are hidden inside – liver, stomach, intestine etc. It is only the navel which is not hidden!

3. The third line of  quote obviously refers to Islamic belief of earth being flat, and Muhammad being born in centre of the earth! But as per Vedas and modern science, earth is almost spherical and hence all points on it can be considered middle point.

4. Had Mecca (Makkah) been on Equator, perhaps some credibility could have been attached to your claims. But as per modern science, in a non-flat world, Mecca lies at 21-29 N. It is not even on Tropic of Cancer!

(The importance given to Mecca in Islam is because of historical reasons dating prior to advent of Islam. As per some historical researches, there was a Hindu temple in Mecca. The story of Mecca being navel of earth seems to indicate that there was a grand statute of reclining Vishnu there with Brahma coming to from his navel, as indicated by certain researches. This is a popular Hindu image and may have led to story of Mecca being navel of earth, in dark ages. Even Prophet Muhammad had great reverence for the Vedic tradition and hence made worship of Mecca temple an important component of his religion.)

But no way, can Kuntaap be implied to mean Mecca!

5. The logic  is fabulous:

Kuntaapa = abdominal glands = navel = center = center of the earth = Mecca
hence, Kuntaapa = Mecca

Let’s use this logic on Islam itself and see where it leads us:

Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam
hence, Poison = Islam

So in this way the evidence itself, there is cold hard proof that Islam is Poison!

>And Of the translators mentioned , two are western indologists who had their own Christian agenda. They can no way be considered relevant for understanding of Vedas.

2. But interestingly, even they talk of nothing even remotely related to Muhammad or Mecca in the alleged verses. The only common point perhaps is the word camel. It seems that IRF team frantically searched for various mantras referring to camel in Vedas, and chose to interpret them, as per their own agenda, as would soon be evident. Readers can review the Griffith translation of these mantras at http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/av/av20127.htm and decide themselves. They can review translations of other scholars mentioned by IRF and check truth themselves. Excerpts from translation by Pandit Khem Karan as illustration check them. Here - http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/atharvaveda_v2/atharvaveda.htm

3. In their pursuit of searching mantras with reference to camel you made another blunder. The Kuntaap Sukta appear at end of Atharvaveda and are not considered to be part of Veda Samhita, but merely an addendum (Khil Bhaag or Appendix) by many scholars. This is the only portion in entire Vedas that have such a difference in opinion among scholars. Had you chosen any other Sukta/Hymn in more than 20000 mantras of Vedas, they would have been much safer. Thus Kuntaap which you proved to mean “safe” is not that safe to defend your claim of Muhammad in Vedas!

 

Now lets talk about 4 mantras you mentioned

Mantra 1
Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): Narashanshah or the praised one shall be praised. O Kauram – one who dwells happily on earth, we shall receive 60090 kinds of gifts from those brave ones who have destroyed violent ones.

Mantra 2, 3
Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): His chariot has twenty fast-moving camels and she-camels. He donated 100 gold coins, 10 garlands, 300 horses and 10000 cows to deserving people.

Mantra 4
Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): Keep preaching in the manner a bird chirps on a tree laden with fruits till death comes.

The only differences is that certain terms have subtly been introduced to set the context for proving Muhammad in these mantras. In modern parlance, this technique is called covert persuasion. Note that so far nothing hints at Muhammad except that there is a mention of camel!

 

Praised one ? Well now lets move to it .

Analysis:
1. The Arabic term b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm which is uttered before every verse of Quran is literal translation of “Dayanand ki Jai”. Does it mean that Quran sings glory of Dayanand? Now Dayanand has been the strongest critic of Quran ever. So does it mean that Quran admits that Dayanand is right?
2. Again this is nothing but Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam, hence Islam = Poison

1. Kaurama means ‘one who dwells peacefully on earth’.

2. The way Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah, has been replicated by millions throughout the history. One can hardly name a historically famous person who becomes famous without moving around! Krishna migrated from Vrindawan to Mathura and then to Dwarka. Also Krishna has several meanings which mean ‘promoter of peace’ and ‘praised one’. So this verse equally applies to him as well! TE Lawrence (main character of classic movie ‘Lawrence of Arabia’) became famous because of his travels in deserts of Arab. Are Vedas talking about him?

60090 ? From which census did you find out this population figure? Or is yet another revelation? Historians estimate this figure to be around 5000 at most .

AS for the camel riding . Lets analyze it .

1. The mantra says allegorically that the chariot of the king will have twenty male and female camels. Even if we take it literally, did Muhammad ever travel on such a camel-chariot? And is Prophet the only camel-rider on earth ever in history?

2. The mantra talks about a king who is a Kshatriya and not a Brahman. So the relevant excerpt from Manu is not applicable in first place.

3. Vedas nowhere prohibit camel-ride for anyone.

4. Manu Smriti has been written much after Vedas. So evidence of Manu Smriti is not applicable in first place. Also the particular shloka from Manu Smriti is considered a later day interpolation by many scholars. In fact half of the Manu Smriti is considered interpolated because it is against the Vedas, which Manu himself declares to be most supreme.

5. But even if we agree to this shloka of Manu Smriti, it is not applicable or relevant in context of given mantras of Atharvaveda. Further the shloka simply states that if a Brahman has to ride on a camel, he can purify himself by doing Pranayam. It does not say that Brahman is banned from riding camel. And the mantra or the entire Sukta has no reference to Brahman whatsoever. It talks about battle and war, which is prerogative of Kshatriya and not Brahman, as per traditional Manu system.

 

Dont distort okay !!! [Rig Veda V, 27, Mantra 1]
अनस्वन्ता सत्पतिर मामहे मे गावा चेतिष्ठो असुरो मघोनः |
तरैव्र्ष्णो अग्ने दशभिः सहस्रैर वैश्वानर तर्यरुणश चिकेत ||
यो मे शता च विंशतिं च गोनां हरी च युक्ता सुधुरा ददाति |
वैश्वानर सुष्टुतो वाव्र्धानो ऽगने यछ तर्यरुणाय शर्म ||
एवा ते अग्ने सुमतिं चकानो नविष्ठाय नवमं तरसदस्युः |
यो मे गिरस तुविजातस्य पूर्वीर युक्तेनाभि तर्यरुणो गर्णाति ||
यो म इति परवोचत्य अश्वमेधाय सूरये |
ददद रचा सनिं यते ददन मेधाम रतायते ||
यस्य मा परुषाः शतम उद्धर्षयन्त्य उक्षणः |
अश्वमेधस्य दानाः सोमा इव तर्य्र्शिरः ||
इन्द्राग्नी शतदाव्न्य अश्वमेधे सुवीर्यम |
कषत्रं धारयतम बर्हद दिवि सूर्यम इवाजरम ||

The word “Mamahe” is used.Further the word has been used in plural and not singular. So it can not denote a singular person by wildest stretch of imagination.If the word ‘Mamahe’ has to mean a noun ‘Muhammad’ in this mantra, the mantra becomes meaningless. Further the word has been used in plural and not singular. So it can not denote a singular person by wildest stretch of imagination.  If the word ‘Mamahe’ has to mean a noun ‘Muhammad’ in this mantra, the mantra becomes meaningless. Because ‘Mamahe’ is the ONLY verb in the entire mantra. And no sentence can have any meaning without presence of even a single verb!

Gold coins ?

Well

Suddenly, gold coins have turned into believers with Prophet in his Mecca times! No text of Islam states that his followers were 100 in number initially. Some biographers do hint at 40 followers, but 100 seems to be another new revelation. Refer http://www.religionfacts.com/Islam/history/prophet.htm

Thus this is the Prophetic imagination taken too far uwu!

 

>Now lets move to necklaces uwu.

1. What made you think that necklace can mean companions? Merely the fact that 10 companions of Prophet are very famous in Islamic folklores? Almost all Prophets of Islam roamed in desert and hence were camel riders.

2. So why can’t this mean Ten Commandments of Moses, by same logic!

 

> The Sanskrit word Go

‘Go’ indeed means a lot of things in various mantras depending on the context – Cow, Earth, Moving Body etc. But in the current context, where the subject is of donation, the obvious meaning is ‘Cow’.

Donation of Cow has been a longstanding Vedic tradition still practiced and respected. All Vedic legends were preservers and protectors of cow. All noble Vedic kings were known to donate cows. Cow forms the backbone of Vedic civilization and Hinduism.

This is where you come in tight spot. Because contrary to donating cows, Islam followers till today are known to be the biggest tribe of cow-killers. They take pride in killing cows in Id. Thus, this reference to donating 10000 cows is sufficient enough to prove to the most sceptic mind that if indeed there is Prophet Muhammad or any of his predecessors or successors in Vedas, the first duty of any Muslim should be to prohibit killing of cows.

2. It is even more hilarious to see the comparison of 10000 companions of Muhammad with cow. If they mean cow, then cow cannot mean ‘to go at war’ in this mantra. Because the same word cannot mean two completely different things in same context.

3. If indeed Muslims consider cows to be compassionate and pious, as described in your article, what makes them kill these cows in name of Allah? What makes Muhammad a cow-killer ?

4. In fact in this mantra, to make sense in lines of your propaganda, Go has to mean three things – to go at war (a verb),  symbol of peace and symbol of war, all at the same time! It has to be a verb and a noun at the same time! Because ‘Mamahe’ the only verb in the mantra has been deliberately interpreted as a noun in this mantra by you. Thus this would have to be the only sentence of its kind in history of language where a word is a verb and two nouns at same time, and another word which is supposed to be a verb is now a noun.
 

>Rebh

Again the same logic of
1. Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam
=> Poison = Islam
2.  b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm is another way of saying “Dayanand ki Jai!”

> Battle of Allies


Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): “O Protector of Truthful! You have been pleased by those brave ones who produce bliss, by acts of bravery and noble passion in wars against the enemies. Through smart action oriented zeal, ten thousand enemies have been defeated without resistance.”

1. If indeed it means Battle of Ahzab, why is the number of soldiers in Prophet’s army not given?

2. The phrase Dash Sahsra or its variants are used in several places in Vedas to signify a large number or limitlessness.

3. There is no word as ‘Karo’ in the mantra. The closest sounding word in the mantra is “Karave’ which DOES NOT mean praying one’. It means ‘for the action-oriented’. NO name of Muhammad means ‘action-oriented’. So any connection with Muhammad is categorically ruled out.

4. The mantra refers to spiritual battle where the mind destroys innumerable varieties of negative thoughts through practice and meditation of positive things in life. And hence the victory is bloodless. The sukta can also be interpreted to explain strategies of war. But no way does it, or any mantra in Vedas refers to any kind of history.

You need Vedic experts to understand the hidden treasures and deep essence of Vedic mantras and come back to their original roots, rejecting the falsehood.

> Conquest of Makkah

1. There is no census data to validate that Mecca had a population of 60,000 in Muhammad’s era except your research based on their own revealed sources.
2. Literal translation of this mantra means that 60000 plus enemies and their 20 kings were crushed under the chariots. By this logic, there should be 60,000 soldiers in the battlefield. If that be so, it means that entire population of Mecca fought against Muhammad and were killed by him. If that be so, if this mantra be a true Prophecy, Muhammad cannot be a symbol of peace. On contrary, it proves that Muhammad carried out a mass genocide of entire Mecca population because they refused to accept him as their dictator! Then, Islam remains a religion of peace only in Arabic dictionary, and not in reality!
3. In reality, this Balttle of Mecca was as small tribal battle where 900-1000 soldiers and 300 soldiers of Islam have supposed to have fought for a few hours, as per Islamic experts. And not more than 10 leaders are known to have participated from Meccan side. Thus neither the number 20, nor 60000 in mantra has any reference to this tiny battle.

4. This sukta actually details spiritual battle in the mind as is evident from other mantras in the sukta. The same strategies can be extended to external war as well. But it has no inkling of relation with any tribal war.

And if still, it is assumed to have so, it only means Muhammad was a mass-killer. You can decide what you want to accept.

 

Quote

 

III Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Rigveda

 

 

 

A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:

The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).

 

1. Literally translated, the meaning is similar to previous verse, implying Muhammad carried a mass-genocide of 60000 plus people to rule Mecca

2. Sushravasa means a good listener or a reliable friend in this mantra, nothing to do with Muhammad.

3. Even if its means well praised, it only means that Muhammad was well-praised by his men for carrying carnage of 60000 people of Mecca!It is in best interest my frnd you do not harp on such attempts to discover Muhammad in Vedas which only denigrate him.  Their research of Muhammad in Bhavishya Puran has already proved him a Asura aka evil entity and a ghost Tripurasur!

 

Quote

IV Muhummad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the SamvedaProphet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

"Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun." The Prophecy confirms:

i) The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as "I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father".

ii) Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.

iii) The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28

"We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not."

[Al-Qur'an 34:28]

 

Sama-Veda, Book II, Hymn 6, verse 8, refers to Mohammed.

The verse -

1.
Indra whose jaws are strong hath drunk of worshipping Sudaksha’s draught,
The Soma juice with barley brew.
2. O Lord of ample wealth, these songs of praise have called aloud to thee,
Like milch-kine lowing to their calves!
3. Then straight they recognized the mystic name of the creative Steer,
There in the mansion of the Moon.
4. When Indra, strongest hero, brought the streams, the mighty waters down,
Pushan was standing by his side.
5. The Cow, the streaming mother of the liberal Maruts, pours her milk,
Harnessed to draw their chariots on.
6. Come, Lord of rapturous joys, to our libation with thy bay steeds, come
With bay steeds to the flowing juice
7. Presented strengthening gifts have sent Indra away at sacrifice,
With night, unto the cleansing bath.
8. I from my Father have received deep knowledge of eternal Law:
I was born like unto the Sun.
9. With Indra splendid feasts be ours, rich in all strengthening things, wherewith,
Wealthy in food, we may rejoice
10. Soma and Pushan, kind to him who travels to the Gods, provide
Dwellings all happy and secure.

In these verses, Indra is strengthened with Soma sacrifice and the Priests cry out for Indra’s arrival. The priests recognize the name of the creative Seer - the personification Soma, there in the mansion of the moon - which in Vedic symbolism, resembles a drop of Soma. Next, Indra’s legendary battle with Viritra the dragon who holds back the waters of the Earth is reflected and it is seen how Indra brings the streams towards Earth with Pushan by his side. The description of a cow pouring forth her milk is also given and is thought akin to Indra’s action. Then, the priests once again call to Indra as the lord of joy to give his strengthening gifts to Soma and Indra doing so, fades away. The Priests partake in the Soma and receive knowledge of the eternal law - the law that governs nature (no Law in the ‘Jurisdiction’ sense) and share a feeling of warmth as if they were born unto the Sun. Once again, the Soma is praised for its strengthening qualities. Soma the personification and Pushan thus travel to the Gods.

Soma is a non-intoxicant juice from a certain vine that is burnt in Vedic rituals and the leftover remnants are eaten. This is not done anymore because nobody knows what the Soma plant is (presumed extinct). The Soma plant is renown for its strengthening properties and is drunk before war. Indra is a deity especially fond of Soma.

So the conclusion for this verse from the
Sama-Veda is that there is no place for any “Ahmed” in this verse either storywise or literarywise. Adding “Ahmed” here is saying the grammatically incorrect (the Veda is gramatically perfect) – “Ahmed have received.” And besides, it is akin to saying Mohammed himself did the ritual to Indra’s glory, and partook in the leftovers and knew the Sharia - which is once again akin to idolatry for Muslims. The phrase “I from my father” seems second most likely (it refers to the Priests receiving knowledge from “Soma” about the Eternal Law) but the most likely seems to be Aham + Atha. It would translate the sentence to – “I now have received the eternal law.

 

___________________________

Debunked uwu

bhavishya-puran-muhammad-tripurasur1.png

Edited by CaptainHowdy
Citations

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


×