By Absolute truth
Matthew 13 presents a very peculiar problem for Christianity, in verse 10-11 it says:
The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.”
From this, we learn that the masses were not able to understand Jesus when he spoke, apparently only those who were given the secrets of the kingdom of heaven would be able to understand what Jesus was saying. Who was given that knowledge? Just the twelve disciples. Therefore, according to the New Testament, Jesus went around preaching unintelligible sermons to masses of people (cf. Matthew 13:2, John 6:60), when the only people who could have possibly understood him were only the twelve because they possessed the “secret knowledge”. This however, is a compounded problem, as the secret knowledge (of the kingdom of heaven) that unlocked Jesus’ unintelligible sermons, didn’t seem to work. On more than one occasion the disciples had to stop Jesus and ask him to speak intelligibly to them:
“The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.” – Luke 18:34.
So let’s recap. Jesus speaks unintelligibly to the masses. Of the masses, 12 disciples have the “secret knowledge (of the kingdom of heaven)” which would enable them and only them to understand what Jesus was saying. Of these twelve, none of them understood what Jesus was saying according to Luke 18:34, because the meaning of what Jesus was saying was hidden from them. What this means is that Jesus did a lot of talking to a lot of people and no one was able to understand what he was saying. To explain this Monthy Python-esque scenario, I’ve developed a parable of my own:
Sam is a wealthy king. He called his entire kingdom together and said to the large crowd before him, that behind that door there was a million gold coins. He then invited the crowd to open the door. The crowd rushed to the door and tried opening it. The door was locked! Sam approached his close friends and said, “to unlock the door you need a secret key, I will give each of you a secret key so you may enter the room with a million goal coins!” What Sam did not tell them, was that they keys were fake and would not work. Sam’s friends ran to the door and each of them tried their keys, none of the keys were able to open the door. David, one of Sam’s friends returns to him and says that the keys are not unlocking the door. Sam the wealthy king is surprised, and tells them that he has given the keys for the door and it is their fault the keys are not working.
Then imagine that 2000 years later there were still people claiming to have that key, with the door still remaining forever locked. That’s exactly the scenario we are left with. What’s the use of giving them secret knowledge that’s supposed to explain what he’s been saying all along, when the knowledge is still hidden from them? You might be saying to yourself, this doesn’t sound right, there must be an explanation. Well, no less than 2 chapters later in Matthew 15:15-16 we read:
“Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also?”
In this case, Jesus of all people seems to be surprised that the secret knowledge he gave them (cf. Matthew 13:10-11, Luke 8:9-10), which he then hid from them (Luke 18:34), leaves them still unable to understand what he’s saying. In other words, Jesus is surprised they still don’t understand him, even though he is the one that hid its meaning from them.
and God knows best.
As Salamu Alaikum
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By parvez mushtaq
Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi
As the topic suggest " Is it innocence of Muslims or it should be Innocence of Christians "
Lets see who are innocent
King James Version (KJV)
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
King James Version (KJV)
The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
Here are few famous biblical quotes which when defended shook the foundations of church in early 16th century .the first scientific discovery which was discovered by Galileo. Galileo was awarded with life time house arrest by the church for his infamous discovery and thus church and their absurd bible was put on trial here after. Poor Galileo screamed to save the church but church was in no mood to pay heed and started do dig its own grave.
The year of Galileo dead witnessed yet another birth of legend named Sir Isaac Newton .His famous quotes were
“Worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin' "
Furthermore he was a Nicodemite ,his papers which were published after 27 years of his dead gave a clear proof for tampering of the bible .He clearly mention in his papers that the verse about trinity was a concoctions and interpolation which were later deleted from the bible .actually this era witnessed innumerous attacks on the bible .for the sake of time and length of this article I am restricting myself to prominent people .
So as science gradually developed innocent Christians came to know about the biblical frauds.
Amidst, these confusions, their emerged a serious question among the learned people .The question was
If bible is a fraud, what is the solution for our existence .Sea of humanity exists in front of their eye without the knowledge of its creator!
As a answer, came Darwin with his another absurd theory which marked the clear cut downfall of bible and scientific world threw bible in dust bin .Thus Bible deceived innocent Christians with regards to science who were beliving it to be a word God till then.
Abraham Lincoln, another prominent Christian of that time changed to deist .Yet another Christian who thought that bible clearly deceived Christians. He takes the reputation of being first the American president to be assassinated .He was assassinated by the church for interfering in church matters and abolishing cruel church slavery.
Once again their bible deceived innocent Christians in political .
And thus, since bible betrayed innocent Christians in every aspect of life, like a innocent child looking at his mother, Christians were staring at church for solutions for these problems .A man named Eugenio Pacelli together with a powerful fanatic Christian named Adolf Hitler devised a fool proof plan in the name of concordant which successfully diverted Christians form the short comings of bible in the world war II .The man named l Eugenio Pacelli was promoted as pope for his services to the Christianity. And thus bible was completely thrown into the gutters .The present day cristianity is nothing but “Jesus loves you” and conjurers like Ben Haden (I cannot elaborate this part due the length of this article)
Before concluding, I want to mention about few countries who are still following bible.
Firstly, Philippines, four out of ten children born in here are illegitimate!
I am not joking, this is a fact.
OR At least by this link
Philippines, being a church ruled country use of contraceptive and divorce is banned
The result is illiteracy and unintended pregnancy
It is estimated that about 3.4 million births per annum are unintended
See how bible is deceiving the innocent christens even today
And Btw , what happened to moral ,The most minimum thing expected from a religion is moral .even in this bible failed
And they call us we are innocent , lol
One more country which was in news recently was Ireland
It is evident that the death of savitha Halappanavar caused by the abortion laws made by the church . Can bible be held responsible for the death of innocent people. Is it not barbaric to kill the innocent people in the name of religion .can the church will ever answer this .can church will accept that bible is outdated can the laws in phllipaines and ireland be changed to suit the modern times
Who is innocent here .Muslims or Christians
On the other hand , even today Islamic laws can be modified to suit our times
I have to end here due to the length of this article
Insha Allah .I may continue with this topic ,because i feel we have to talk lot more regarding the countries like Philippines and ireland .
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(AINA) -- Much has been made of the recent discovery in Turkey of a Bible purported to be written in the Aramaic language, 1,500 years ago. The Muslim media, as well as Western media outlets, quickly pounced on this, claiming this Bible contains verses attributed to Jesus Christ, in which Christ predicts the coming of Muhammad. No media outlet has published a facsimile of these verses.
This "Bible" is written on leather in gold letters. The picture of the front cover show inscriptions in Aramaic and a picture of a cross.
For any native speaker of Modern Assyrian (also known as neo-Aramaic), and that would be your average Assyrian today, the inscription is easily read. The bottom inscription, which is the most clearly visible from the published photos, says the following:
Transliteration: b-shimmit maran paish kteewa aha ktawa al idateh d-rabbaneh d-dera illaya b-ninweh b'sheeta d-alpa w-khamshamma d-maran
Translation: In the name of our Lord, this book is written on the hands of the monks of the high monastery in Nineveh, in the 1,500th year of our Lord.
Nineveh is the ancient Assyrian capital and is located in present-day north Iraq, near Mosul.
There are spelling errors that are immediately noticeable.
The first word, b'shimmit maran ("in the name of our Lord"), is erroneously spelled with a 't' instead of a 'd'. The 'd' in Assyrian is the genitive, and it prefixes the word that follows. It should read b-shimma d-maran, not b-shimmit maran (note, the last word of the sentence is correctly spelled d-maran ("of our Lord")).
The first word also contains another spelling error. The correct spelling for "name" in Assyrian is ashma, with the initial 'a' being silent. Therefore, when correctly spelled, 'in the name of our Lord" should be written as b-ashma d-maran.
The word idateh is misspelled, it should end with an 'a', idata. Also the phrase al idateh ("on the hands") is incorrect, it should read b-idata ("by the hands").
The bottom sentence uses the word ktawa ("book") to refer to the book, but in Assyrian the Bible is never referred to as a "book." One says awreta (Old Testament), khdatta (New Testament), or ktawa qaddeesha (holy book). Given this, since no one has seen the inside of this "Bible," we cannot be sure if it is in fact a Bible.
Most significantly, this writing is in Modern Assyrian, which was standardized in the 1840s. The first bible in Modern Assyrian was produced in 1848. If this book were written in 1500 A.D. it should have been written in Classical Assyrian.
It is highly unlikely for monks to make such elementary mistakes. It remains to be seen whether this book is a forgery, or even what kind of book it is.
The bottom inscription also says the book was written in 1500 A.D.. If the book does contain verses predicting the coming of Muhammad, it is no great accomplishment to predict something 870 years after the fact, since Muhammad founded Islam in 630 A.D..
Most media outlets, as well as Muslim and Christian outlets, lead the story with headlines pronouncing "1500 year old Bible predicts the coming of Muhammad" -- without any evidence to support this.
For Muslims, the implications of the headlines are desirable, that Jesus Christ is a Prophet, just like Muhammad, and not the Son of God. According to Al Bawaba, the Turkish culture and tourism minister, Ertugrul Gunay, said "In line with Islamic belief, the Gospel [this Bible] treats Jesus as a human being and not a God. It rejects the ideas of the Holy Trinity and the Crucifixion and reveals that Jesus predicted the coming of the Prophet Mohammed."
Commenting on the errors in the book, Al Bawaba says in another article:
For example, the book says that there are nine heavens and that the tenth is paradise while in Quran they are seven only and claims that Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus without any pain while the Quran story says she got labor pains.
According to the gospel, Jesus said to Jewish priests that he is not the Messiah and that the Messiah is Mohammed. This means a denial of the existence of a Messiah, who is in fact Jesus Christ, and makes Jesus and Mohammed seem like they are one and the same person.
The book also contains information that lack historical credibility like the presence of three armies, each made up of 200,000 soldiers, in Palestine whereas the entire population of Palestine 2,000 years ago did not even reach 200,000. In addition, Palestine was occupied by the Romans at the time and it is impossible that Palestine was allowed to have any army or armies of its own.
The last sentence in chapter 217 says that 100 pounds of stones were placed on Christ's body. This confirms that the gospel was written quite recently because the first to use the pound as a unit of weight was the Ottomans in their experiments with Italy and Spain and it was never known during the time of Jesus.
Chapter 20 also stated that the cities of Jerusalem and Nazareth are sea ports.
This same article ends with "According to many studies, the gospel attributed to St. Barnabas was written by a European Jew in the Middle Ages who was quite familiar with the Quran and the Gospels. He, thus, mixed facts from here and there and his intentions remain unknown."
But despite the availability of information on this "Bible," most media outlets, Muslims, liberal and secular organizations have portrayed this discovery as something that undermines Christianity, ignoring the many problems with this book and presenting it as virtual fact. In fact, in their zeal to support the anti-Christian narrative, they have withheld or suppressed information questioning the authenticity of this book. For these organizations and individuals, this is another tool in their arsenal for the attack on the foundations of Christian doctrine.
By Peter BetBasoo and Ashur Giwargis
© 2012, Assyrian International News Agency. All Rights Reserved.
If it was written in the "1500th year of our Lord" (1500 A.D.) how can it be 1500 years old? It is sad that some will commit fraud just to defame one religion to try to win converts through such deceptive means. Muslims should condemn such forgeries because they only make Muslims look bad and they are harmful to non-Muslims who may convert under such false 'evidence' then come out of Islam or become atheists and Islamphobes.