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A personal home is not a country. I stand by the firm belief that any human being born on the land has the right to continue living there.

 

WOuld you also kick out every single american off the land of the United States because their ancestors killed the native indians and took it over? The history of humanity is full of migration and people moving around, killing others and settling there. WE continue to live on the land on which we live in despite the fact that our ancestors fought and killed eachother over it. We are not responsible for their actions.

 

The israelis who were born on the land have every right of being there, because every child is born a muslim and sinless.

 

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if a person is born on the land, he/she has the inalienable right to live there. do you agree or disagree?

 

nobody is responsible for their ancestors crimes. The Quran teaches us that every human being is responsible for his own actions.

 

salam

Red herring, all4sdown99. No one ever said that those israeli grand children have no right to live on the place where they were born. If I am anti-israel/anti Zionist, it doesn't automatically mean that I deny the israeli grand children of the right to live there. Recognizing the right of the israeli grand children is different from recognizing israel (as a state).

 

Do you sincerely believe that justice has been served and the only problem remaining unsolved in the land is that Muslims are not wanting the israeli grand children to live there?

 

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So, my question, do you support israeli state?

 

Wassalam,

Yasnov

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A personal home is not a country. I stand by the firm belief that any human being born on the land has the right to continue living there.

 

WOuld you also kick out every single american off the land of the United States because their ancestors killed the native indians and took it over? The history of humanity is full of migration and people moving around, killing others and settling there. WE continue to live on the land on which we live in despite the fact that our ancestors fought and killed eachother over it. We are not responsible for their actions.

 

The israelis who were born on the land have every right of being there, because every child is born a muslim and sinless.

 

Do you think the Nazi regime had any right to occupy Europe and the Nazi children have their right to occupy Europe and carry on the role of their Nazi parents?We are not responsible for their actions but if you carry on the roles of your ancestors as the invaders of the land you live in, you yourselves are the invaders and war criminals.

 

The Zionists, who are born in Palestine, carry on the role of their Zionist parents by occupying Palestine and terrorizing and massacring innocent and defenseless Palestine. You are defending the so-called 'right' of Zionists to live and occupy Palestine while ignoring the fact that the israeli regime of terror and Zionists are robbing Palestinian people of their rights, land, farms, villages, towns, Palestine itself etc. Zionists are still destroying Palestinian farms, villages and towns and force Palestinian people to leave their villages, towns etc for other Arab countries or Zionist concentration camps that are surrounded by high concrete walls. Palestinian people are born in Palestine but Zionists do not refuse to recognize their rights to live in Palestine and rule 'israel' by majority vote. On the contrary, Zionists who are born in Palestine carry on terrorizing and massacring Palestinian people because Palestinian people are born in Palestine.

 

So this is how the Zionists and the israeli regime of terror treat Palestinian people who are born in Palestine. You are practising double-standard for supporting Zionists while ignoring the right of Palestinian people. Please remember that the majority of Palestinian people are Muslims and you claim that you are a 'Muslim' but you defend the so-called 'right' of Zionists to occupy and rule Palestine like their Zionist parents had done in the past and you ignore the right of Palestinian people.

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A personal home is not a country. I stand by the firm belief that any human being born on the land has the right to continue living there.

 

WOuld you also kick out every single american off the land of the United States because their ancestors killed the native indians and took it over? The history of humanity is full of migration and people moving around, killing others and settling there. WE continue to live on the land on which we live in despite the fact that our ancestors fought and killed eachother over it. We are not responsible for their actions.

 

Do you think that it is ok for the ancestors of American people to massacre or exterminate the native Americans and rob the native Americans of their land? Do you think that it is ok for the American people to carry on the role of their ancestors by occupying the land that their ancestors had robbed of native Americans?

 

The israelis who were born on the land have every right of being there, because every child is born a muslim and sinless.

 

Yeah Zionist child is born sinless but their Zionist parents teach their Zionists children how to terrorize and exterminate Palestinian people and to invade and occupy Palestine and destroy civilian targets in Palestine and soon the Zionist children grow up to become Zionist terrorists who terrorize and massacre Palestinian people and rob Palestinian people of Palestine and occupy Palestine and rename it as 'israel'. Therefore these Zionists are no longer sinless!!!

 

And now the sinless Zionist children have grown up to become the sinful Zionists who commit war crimes against innocent Palestinian people:

 

israel's occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip can in no way be considered democratic. It oppresses 3.5 million people, denying them their basic human rights. [source: Saying 'No' to Oppression

by Rami Kaplan, The International Herald Tribune (April 30, 2002)]

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And now the sinless Zionist children have grown up to become the sinful Zionists who commit war crimes against innocent Palestinian people:

 

It is a hypocrisy for all4sdown99 to ask us Muslims to recognize the so-called 'right' of Zionist children who would grow up to become Zionist terrorists while all4sdown99 and Zionists ignore the rights of Palestinian people who are born in Palestine. And we see throughout history, Zionists have forcibly expel Palestinian people, who are born in Palestine, to other Arab countries. Are you all4sdown99 really a Muslim? A true Muslim will not support the enemies of Islam and Muslims to oppress Muslims.

 

Before 1947, Jews comprised only one-third of the population of Palestine, which held some 608,000 Jews and 1,237,000 Arabs. Even within the area designated for israel under the U.N. partition plan, the population consisted of some 500,000 Jews and 330,000 Arabs. How could a country with such a large Arab minority become a Jewish homeland?

 

The answer is that it could not. A massive population transfer would be required. And this was understood by Jewish military leaders during the war of 1947-1948. David Ben-Gurion, father of israel and leader of its military, confidently predicted on February 7, 1948, that "there surely will be a great change in the population of the country" over the next several months. He was right.

 

The tone was set by Ben-Gurion himself in June 1938:

 

"I support compulsory [Palestinian Arab population] transfer. I do not see in it anything immoral."

 

Ben-Gurion added,

 

"The transfer of Arabs is easier than the transfer of any other [people]. There are Arabs states around . . . And it is clear that if the [Palestinian] Arabs are transferred this would improve their situation and not the opposite."

 

a shared belief by many of the Jewish (later israeli) military leaders during the war that the entire Palestinian population was the enemy. Acting on that belief, the Jewish militias (the official Haganah and the unofficial Stern Gang and Irgun) engaged in a consistent course of conduct that was intended to--and did--cause the Arab population to flee. (The israeli myth that the Palestinians left on instructions from Arab leaders has long since been shown to be a fabrication.)[3]

 

There is ample evidence of forcible expulsions. The most notorious was the Lydda/Ramle death march. On July 12 and 13, 1948, on the direct order of Ben-Gurion, israeli forces expelled the 50,000 residents of the towns of Lydda and neighboring Ramle. Yitzak Rabin, later to become israeli Prime Minister, wrote in his memoirs that "there was no way of avoiding the use of force and warning shots in order to make the inhabitants march the ten or fifteen miles" required to reach Arab positions. Before they left, the townspeople were "systematically stripped of all their belongings," according to the Economist newspaper in London. Many of the expelled died in the 100-degree heat during the trek.[4]

 

Eventually the refugees from Lydda and Ramle made their way to refugee camps near Ramallah. Count Folke Bernadotte, Swedish nobleman and United Nations mediator, attempted to offer aid. He later wrote that "I have made the acquaintance of a great many refugee camps, but never have I seen a more ghastly sight than that which met my eyes here at Ramallah." (Later that year, Bernadotte was murdered by the Stern Gang. One of its leaders, Yitzhak Shamir, became israeli Prime Minister in 1983.)[5]

 

Forcible expulsions were commonly practiced by the Jewish/israeli military during 1948: Qisariya on February 15; Arab Zahrat al-Dumayri, al-Rama and Khirbat al-Sarkas in April; al-Ghabisiya, Danna, Najd and Zarnuqa the next month; Jaba, Ein Ghazal and Ijzim on July 24; and al-Bi'na and Deir al-Assad on October 31, among many others. israeli historian Benny Morris has identified 34 Arab communities whose inhabitants were ousted. We may never know the full extent of the ejections, though, because, as Morris notes, the israeli Defense Forces Archive "has a standing policy guideline not to open material explicitly describing expulsions and atrocities."[6]

 

More often, though, the instruments of expulsion were the terrorizing and demoralization of the Arab population. Jewish military forces used several tactics in pursuit of these goals.

 

One was psychological warfare. Radio broadcasts in Arabic warned of traitors in the Arabs' midst, spread fears of disease, reported confusion and terror among the Arabs, described the Palestinians as having been deserted by their leaders, and accused Arab militias of committing crimes against Arab civilians.[7]

 

Another effective psywar tactic involved the use of loudspeaker trucks. At various times they urged the Palestinians to flee before they were all killed, warned that the Jews were using poison gas and atomic weapons, or played recorded "horror sounds"--shrieks, moans, the wail of sirens and the clang of fire-alarm bells.[8]

 

A second tactic, economic warfare, was a favorite of Ben-Gurion, who described "the strategic objective" of the Jewish forces to be "to destroy the [Arab] urban communities." "Deprived of transportation, food, and raw materials," he later noted with satisfaction, "the urban communities underwent a process of disintegration, chaos, and hunger."[9]

 

A third technique to induce Arab flight was military attack on a town's Arab population. These assaults often used Davidka mortars--horribly inaccurate, but useful for creating terror--and barrel bombs. The latter consisted of barrels, casks, and metal drums filled with a mixture of explosives and fuel oil. Rolled into the Arab section of a town, they created "an inferno of raging flames and endless explosions." Another destructive maneuver described by writer Arthur Koestler was the "ruthless dynamiting of block after block" of the Arab community.[10]

 

Not uncommonly, the Jewish forces resorted to simple terrorism. Sometimes this took the form of bombs planted in vehicles or buildings: 30 killed in Jaffa on Jan. 4., 1948, with a truck bomb; 20 killed the next day when the Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed; 17 killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem two days later.[11]

 

More often, a Jewish military force entered an Arab village and massacred civilians, either during a night raid or after the seizure of the village. The massacres started early: Major General R. Dare Wilson, who served with the British troops trying to keep peace in Palestine before the end of the British Mandate, reported that on Dec. 18, 1947, the Haganah murdered 10, mostly women and children, in the Arab village of al-Khisas with grenades and machine gun fire. Wilson also described how on Dec. 31 the Haganah slaughtered another 14, again mostly women and children, again using machine guns and throwing grenades into occupied homes, this time in Balad Esh-Sheikh.[12]

 

Throughout 1948, the massacres continued: 60 at Sa'sa' on Feb. 15; 100 murdered in Acre after its May 18 seizure by the Haganah; several hundred at Lydda on July 12, including 80 machine-gunned inside the Dahmash Masjid; 100 at Dawayma on Oct. 29, with an israeli eye-witness reporting that "the children were killed by smashing their skulls with clubs"; 13 young men mowed down by machine guns in open fields outside Eilabun on Oct. 30; another 70 young men blindfolded and shot to death, one after another, at Safsaf the same day; 12 killed at Majd al-Kurum, also on Oct. 30, with a Belgian U.N. observer writing that "there is no doubt about these murders"; an unknown number killed the next day at al-Bi'na and Deir al-Assad, described by a U.N. official as "wanton slaying without provocation"; 14 "liquidated," according to the israeli military's report, at Khirbet al-Wa'ra as-Sauda on Nov. 2.[13]

 

A particularly repugnant method of killing employed by the Jewish militias was the blowing up of houses with their occupants still inside, often at night. The militia would place explosive charges around the stone houses, drench the wooden window and door frames with gasoline, and then open fire, simultaneously dynamiting and burning the sleeping inhabitants to death.[14]

 

The supreme act of terrorism by Jewish militias was the slaughter of nearly the entire village of Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948. According to Jacques de Reynier, a Swiss physician working for the Red Cross who arrived before the bloodletting had ended, 254 people were "deliberately massacred in cold blood." "All I could think of," he later said, "was the SS troops I had seen in Athens." According to Meir Pa'il, who served as a communications officer for the Haganah in Deir Yassin and was present during the assault, 25 male survivors were taken to Jerusalem and paraded through the streets in a perverse victory celebration, then shot in cold blood.[15]

 

Menachem Begin, the leader of the Irgun, one of the militias involved in the horror at Deir Yassin, called the atrocity a "splendid act of conquest." In 1977, Begin was elected Prime Minister of israel.[16]

 

The massacre at Deir Yassin played a crucial role in undermining the morale of the Palestinian population. As de Reynier, the Swiss physician, wrote, "a general terror was built up among the Arabs, a terror astutely fostered by the Jews."[17]

 

Once the israeli military had forced the Palestinians to flee, various israeli institutions attempted to insure that there would be no return. The new israeli government decided on June 16, 1948--just a month after israel had declared independence, and before half of the refugees had even become such--that it would not permit the Palestinians to return to their homeland. The military, meanwhile, worked to render return a physical impossibility. Its forces leveled 418 Palestinian towns and villages, erasing the majority of Palestinian society from the face of the earth.[18]

 

Completing the process of dispossession, israel took control of land owned by the Arabs whom it would not allow to return. Before 1948, Jews owned only 1.5 million of the 26 million dunams of land in Palestine. (A dunam, the local measure of land area, is a quarter-acre.) After the eviction of the Palestinians, israel controlled 20 million dunams, an increase from 6% to 77% of the total. They simply stole an entire country.[19]

 

Moshe Dayan, israeli war hero, described this reality succinctly in a 1969 speech: "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist; not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. ... There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."[20]

 

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It is a brutal hypocrisy for all4sdown99 to ask us Muslims to recognize the so-called 'right' of Zionist children who would grow up to become Zionist terrorists while all4sdown99 and Zionists ignore the rights of Palestinian people who are born in Palestine.

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Okay, so you have learned the textbook definition of Zionism at American school, now, what bout learning the definition of Zionism through the point of view of a Palestinian? (which means a continues nightmare)

 

No, you obviously don't understand what I meant. I didn't learn it from and American textbook, it is a figure of speech. It means that it is the common def. of Zionism.

 

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

 

David Ben-Gurion was a harsh, uncomprimising man who saw an unbridgible gulf between israelis and Palestinians. Thank God ther are less radical israelis in power today.

 

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."-israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

 

This is what he actually said:

 

The children of israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.

 

As you can clearly see, he didn't talk about palestinians in particular, and certainly wasn't generalizing about all of them.

 

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." - Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

 

He may think that, but is this the israeli concensus?

 

"I would have joined a terrorist organization." - Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

 

Perhaps he understands their reaction, but it doesn't meen he agrees with it, or thinks that it is the right reaction.

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Zionist leaders and Zionists are the among the most brutal, barbaric and sadistic terrorists:

 

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Zionist Terrorist Organisations

 

The Jewish Agency and the Hagana, headed by David Ben Gurion, the Irgun Z'vai Leumi headed by Menahem Begin, and the Stern Gang co-headed by Yitzhak Shamir, started a campaign of terrorism against members of the British armed forces, British police, Palestinian police and the Palestinian civilian population.

 

Terrorist operations from 1939-1948 were carried out after being approved by the United Forces or what was called the Command of the United Resistance Movement, which was composed of representatives of the Hagana, the Irgun and the Stern Gang. Moshe Sneh, israel Galili and others represented the Hagana, Menahem Begin and others represented the Irgun, and Abraham Stern, Nathan Yellin-Mor and others represented the Stern Gang.

 

Zionists massacred Jews for Zionist cause:

 

The Hagana (a brutal Zionist terrorist organisation) did not hesitate to kill hundreds of Jews to protest British policy in preventing illegal immigration to Palestine. The ship Patria arrived at Haifa in November 1947 with 1,700 illegal Jewish immigrants aboard. The Palestine Government decided to send the ship to the Mauritius Islands. On November 25, 1947, Jewish terrorists placed a bomb in the ship to prevent it from sailing. As a result, two hundred and fifty-two Jews were killed and many were injured. Menahem Begin confirmed that "the British authorities noted the fact that this was not an Irgun Z'vai Leumi operation; it was Haganah who had placed the bomb."(27)

 

 

 

LETTER AND PARCEL-POST BOMBS

 

The Jewish terrorists in Palestine under the command of Menahem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir invented a new method of international terrorism which had no precedent in history, namely sending parcel-post bombs and letter bombs to British officials in London. The first parcel bomb was sent on September 3, 1947. Yitzhak Shamir was the mastermind behind this barbaric method. It was addressed to a high official of British Military Intelligence whom the Zionist terrorist organizations suspected of collecting damaging information about them. i he parcel exploded in a post office in Howick Place, Victoria Street, London, seriously injuring two postrnen.(289

 

On May 3, 1948, a parcel bomb was addressed to Roy Farran in London. Farran was a member of the British Anti- Terrorist Squad in Palestine who returned to England. The parcel was opened by Rex Farran, his 25-year-old younger brother. Many of his organs were blown to pieces, and he died instantly.(29)

 

It was established that the Stern Gang was responsible for this crime. Yitzhak Shamir was one of the triumvirate leadership of the Stern Gang.

 

The Stern Gang under the leadership of Yitzhak Shamir intensified its campaign of sending letter bombs to British officials. Between 4 and 6 June, 1947,20 letter bombs were sent. The first shipments of eight letter bombs arrived in London on June 4, 1947. One was addressed to Sir Stafford Cripps, Minister of the Board of Trade, another to Mr. John Strachy, Minister of Food, neither of whom had any connection with the Palestine question. Both letters were intercepted by Scotland Yard and the bombs were defused.(30)

 

Three more letter bombs were intercepted by Scotland Yard on June 5, 1947. One was addressed to the Foreign Secretary, Ernest Bevin, who was abhorred by the Zionists for his balanced and fair stand on the Palestine question. Letter bombs were also addressed to Anthony Eden, former Foreign Secretary, and Arthur Greenwood, Minister without Portfolio.(31)

 

The following are examples of the barbaric methods of terrorism committed by the Jewish terrorist organizations from 1939-1945:

 

(a) Placing bombs in Arab markets and cafes, killing many civilians, mostly women and children.

 

(B) Placing landmines and exploding them by remote control.

 

© Blowing up of buildings and police stations.

 

(d) Placing bombs in cinemas where many people were killed or injured.

 

(e) Placing bombs in railway stations, markets and govemment offices and exploding them, killing and injuring many innocent people.

 

(f) Placing bombs in trucks and cars filled with explosives near buildings and exploding them, thereby killing and injuring many innocent people.

 

(g) Throwing bombs into passing cars and into Arab crowds, killing and injuring many civilians.

 

(h) Blowing up of Arab houses and hotels, killing hundreds of men, women and children.

 

Details of the Zionist terrorist crimes in Palestine from 1939-1948 are set out in Chapters 4, 5, 6 and 7 of this encyclopedia. The authoritative descriptions of these crimes were obtained from the Foreign Office files, Colonial Office files and War Office files from the Public Record Office, Kew Gardens, Surrey England. The writer personally selected these files which were photocopied. Each incident recorded in these four chapters are verbatim records. They were taken from reports sent from the High Commissioner for Palestine to the Colonial Secretary in London and from the Officer Commander of British forces in Palestine to the Secretary of War in London. Unfortunately, not all documents about Jewish terrorism in the Colonial Office, War Office and Foreign Office files have been declassified. It was noted in the record: "Retained by the Department." The writer spoke with the Director of the Public Record Office regarding examining these files and he told him, "They will be classified for the next seventy five years."

 

In 1948 the Zionist leaders started to execute their premeditated plan to expel the Palestinians from Palestine and to usurp their homes, lands and all their worldly possessions. In implementing this plan they committed the following war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide as set out in Chapters 9 to 14 of this encyclopedia:

 

1. They committed hundreds of massacres throughout Palestine.

 

2. They erased 492 Arab small towns and villages and Bedouin localities from the map of Palestine and converted them into Jewish settlements.

 

3. They usurped Arab houses and apartments in twelve large towns and cities for settling Jews.

 

4. They committed looting, pillage, plunder and spoliation of the personal and real properties of Palestinians in twelve large towns and cities and 526 small towns and villages.

 

5. They destroyed, desecrated and usurped Muslim Holy Places in Palestine and violated the religious rights of Muslims.

 

6. They destroyed and desecrated Christian Holy Places in Palestine and violated the religious rights of Christians.

 

In 1967 Zionist leaders committed a war of aggression against neighboring Arab countries, occupying the West Bank and Gaza, namely the remaining 20% of Palestine. From 1967 to 1989 they committed war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide against the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and neighboring Arab countries as set forth in Chapters 16-33 of this encyclopedia:

 

1. Murder, massacres, systematic terrorism, kidnapping and other war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the israelis in the West Bank and Gaza and neighboring Arab countries.

 

2. Looting, plunder, pillage and spoliation and other war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide committed in the Gaza Strip.

 

3. Plunder and usurpation of Palestinian lands, natural and water resources and the establishment of illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

 

4. Willful destruction of the Palestinian economy in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

 

5. Demolition and sealing of Palestinian homes.

 

6. Collective punishment, curfews, checkpoints, mass round-ups and closures.

 

7. Establishing concentration camps and political prisons.

 

8. Torture and inhuman treatment of Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners.

 

9. Torture and inhuman treatment of Palestinian women.

 

10. Illegal administrative detention of Palestinians.

 

11. Illegal town arrest orders of Palestinian families.

 

12. Inhuman separation of Palestinian families.

 

13. Jewish settler terrorism against Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

 

14. Brutal measures, including murder, beating and use of toxic gas to suppress the Intifada.

 

15. War crimes in Lebanon in the Zionist wars of aggression of 1978 and 1982.

 

16. Wanton bombing of Palestinian refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon.

 

17. Mossad terrorism, including murder and kidnapping, against Palestinians and others in Europe and the Middle East.

 

18. Piracy and terrorism at sea against unarmed vessels.

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Salaams peeps,

 

This is something for Muslims to think about. I've seen a few times that land was stolen from the Muslims. It was not. Land was conquered by the British, just like Muslims conquered many lands before. Some you win, some you lose. Once the British were in power they were free to do whatever they wished, which of course consisted of giving the Jews a homeland.

 

Conclusion: Land rightfully belonged to the British as Allah swt rewarded (or punished them, depending on how you look at it) them for their military operations.

 

The important thing for Non-muslims to reflect upon is the UN approved state of israel in 1948, which was illegal because the Palestinians were not consultated, which was a requirement for such a mandate to be valid. Therefore when Muslims say we don't recognise the state of israel, non-Muslims who agree with UN law should agree. It's creation was illegal according to UN Law.

 

Conclusion: Non-muslims who accept International law by UN should not recognise the state of israel.

 

Back to Muslims. We don't accept UN laws anyway, there is only One Legislator for us. Therefore, every Muslim should recognise the state of israel. What? Why? Not because of UN laws but because they conquered the Muslims, kicked them out and repelled every attempt of a counter-attack. Therefore, it belongs to them. So once israel was created did they steal land from Palestinians? No, they conquered and aquired more land. Just like Muslims had done before. Some you win, some you lose.

 

Conclusion: Muslims should accept and recognise the state of israel because it was captured from the Muslims. Expansion should also be recognised as it is through military action, which we Muslims have done in the past.

 

Back to non-Muslims. The expansion of the state of israel is against International law. The displacement of Palestinians is illegal. The demolishing of Palestinian towns is illegal.

 

Conclusion: Not only should Non-muslims not recognise the state of israel, but also recognise the illegal expansion programme of the israelis.

 

I am a Muslim but I recognise the state of israel. It is what we deserve. As Musims we became divided and weak and Allah swt punished us. And no calamity falls on us except that we deserve it. For the Muslims who are angry at the injustice that we see in Palestine... just one question... do you expect anything less from the kuffar?

 

I am not of the opinion that we should only look at the kuffar and moan and cry about the injustice and oppression. Yes, what is happening is evil but this is what we should expect, these are not a people who are governed by the Laws of Allah. But more importantly we should look at ourselves and realise that we are also to blame.

 

May Allah swt guide us through these troubled times.

 

Peace

 

Peace

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"Do you think that it is ok for the American people to carry on the role of their ancestors by occupying the land that their ancestors had robbed of native Americans? "

 

By this logic the Arabs have no right to any of Greater israel, and Jerusalem in particular.

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No, you obviously don't understand what I meant. I didn't learn it from and American textbook, it is a figure of speech. It means that it is the common def. of Zionism.

It's reality that matters. What is the textbook definition of democracy? What is the textbook definition of the UN? And what does the reality tell you?

 

David Ben-Gurion was a harsh, uncomprimising man who saw an unbridgible gulf between israelis and Palestinians. Thank God ther are less radical israelis in power today.

Ask him, he may have a different definition and interpretation of the word zionism.

 

This is what he actually said:

 

The children of israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.

I trust Robert Fisk and New Statesman more than I trust CAMERA. Why Camera? Why not he himself clarify his own statement?

 

The Palestinians are beasts walking on two legs

-- israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

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He may think that, but is this the israeli concensus?

Did I ever say that it is israeli consensus? All I said is why don't try to see it from the point of view of the great Zionist leaders themselves

 

Perhaps he understands their reaction, but it doesn't meen he agrees with it, or thinks that it is the right reaction.

It could only mean that this Zionist leader know for sure that they have treated the Palestinian so worst to the extent that he even understands the desperate reaction from the Palestinians, whether or not he agrees with it. Is that because you are an American that it is that difficult for you to read between the line, Russ?

 

Wassalam,

Y

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Salam,

 

Conclusion: Land rightfully belonged to the British as Allah swt rewarded (or punished them, depending on how you look at it) them for their military operations.

 

Conclusion: Non-muslims who accept International law by UN should not recognise the state of israel.

 

Conclusion: Muslims should accept and recognise the state of israel because it was captured from the Muslims. Expansion should also be recognised as it is through military action, which we Muslims have done in the past.

 

Conclusion: Not only should Non-muslims not recognise the state of israel, but also recognise the illegal expansion programme of the israelis.

 

Sorry, but am I wrong to say that Palestinians do live in the present, and not in the past? Don't you think that they deserve to be treated according to today's standard, laws, convention, agreement?

 

I am a Muslim but I recognise the state of israel. It is what we deserve.

Two wrongs do not make one right. You may say it is what we deserve, but certainly it is not what Palestinians deserve. Not everything bad should be seen as punishment. It can be also be considered as trials before Allah SWT gives us strength to fix the wrongs.

 

Wassalam,

Y

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Hi all :sl:

 

I dont think you Yasnov can really argue about todays laws can you? So you want all countries to follow "modern" law rather than the laws from a 1000 year old book?

 

are you sure?

 

 

Peace all :sl:

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"Do you think that it is ok for the American people to carry on the role of their ancestors by occupying the land that their ancestors had robbed of native Americans? "

 

By this logic the Arabs have no right to any of Greater israel, and Jerusalem in particular.

 

Arabs had lived in Palestine long before the israelites came to Palestine. Where were the israelites including the Jews before Jacob was born? Nowhere!!! So Palestine belongs to Arabs who are Palestinian people.

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Salaams peeps,

 

Sorry, but am I wrong to say that Palestinians do live in the present, and not in the past? Don't you think that they deserve to be treated according to today's standard, laws, convention, agreement?

 

You did not understand my post. I was not offering the solution to the problem, merely putting things into perspective. Yes, Palestinians should be treated by the kuffar in accordance to kuffar (UN) laws. But because thay are not believers in God's law, they pick and choose when they want to abide by their laws. So Palestinians are nothing but dirt. Does this anger you? Why? - they are disbelievers, it should not anger or surprise you. I do not accept UN/kuffar standards,laws, conventions or agreements in general - as I said, there is only One constitution for Muslims. Therefore I cannot say that israel is an illegal state, because it is only illegal according to UN law (which as Muslims we do not recognise). In fact it is a legal state because it was captured from the Muslims. I do not agree with this concept that it was stolen.

 

Two wrongs do not make one right. You may say it is what we deserve, but certainly it is not what Palestinians deserve. Not everything bad should be seen as punishment. It can be also be considered as trials before Allah SWT gives us strength to fix the wrongs.

 

Who said two wrongs make one right? The sufferings of the Palestinians is a test for both those who are suffering and for those of us standing by watching. What I'm saying is that for a Muslim, the correct attitude would be to look at ourselves as well as the enemy when assessing the situation.

 

Peace

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This is something for Muslims to think about. I've seen a few times that land was stolen from the Muslims. It was not. Land was conquered by the British, just like Muslims conquered many lands before. Some you win, some you lose. Once the British were in power they were free to do whatever they wished, which of course consisted of giving the Jews a homeland.

 

If some robbers have robbed you of your home and your land, do you think it is ok for the robbers to give some bandits your home and land for them to live in. This is not what Islam have taught us Muslims.

Conclusion: Land rightfully belonged to the British as Allah swt rewarded (or punished them, depending on how you look at it) them for their military operations.

 

So you believe that your home and land rightfully belonged to the robbers and bandits and you have no right to claim your home and land.

 

This is not what Islam have taught us Muslims.

 

The important thing for Non-muslims to reflect upon is the UN approved state of israel in 1948, which was illegal because the Palestinians were not consultated, which was a requirement for such a mandate to be valid. Therefore when Muslims say we don't recognise the state of israel, non-Muslims who agree with UN law should agree. It's creation was illegal according to UN Law.

 

Conclusion: Non-muslims who accept International law by UN should not recognise the state of israel.

 

I agree.

 

Back to Muslims. We don't accept UN laws anyway, there is only One Legislator for us. Therefore, every Muslim should recognise the state of israel. What? Why? Not because of UN laws but because they conquered the Muslims, kicked them out and repelled every attempt of a counter-attack. Therefore, it belongs to them. So once israel was created did they steal land from Palestinians? No, they conquered and aquired more land. Just like Muslims had done before. Some you win, some you lose.

 

Let say a bunch of robbers have robbed you of your house and land, would you recognize the robbers as the rightful owner of your house and land? If you recognize the robbers, you are encouraging them to plunder other houses of your neighbours. This is not what Islam have taught us Muslims.

 

Conclusion: Muslims should accept and recognise the state of israel because it was captured from the Muslims. Expansion should also be recognised as it is through military action, which we Muslims have done in the past.

 

If a bunch of kidnappers capture your wife and children from you, you would recognize the kidnappers as the rightful owners of your wife and children. This is not what Islam have taught us Muslims.

 

Back to non-Muslims. The expansion of the state of israel is against International law. The displacement of Palestinians is illegal. The demolishing of Palestinian towns is illegal.

 

Conclusion: Not only should Non-muslims not recognise the state of israel, but also recognise the illegal expansion programme of the israelis.

 

I agree.

 

I am a Muslim but I recognise the state of israel.

 

If you are a Muslim, you should not recognize israel.

 

May Allah swt guide us through these troubled times.

 

Allah will not help you if you have already given up. Allah will not help you if you don't want to help yourself. Allah will help those people who help themselves.

 

MY CONCLUSION:

 

You josh0335 have clearly contradicted the teachings of Islam. Here are some of the teachings of Islam for you to learn:

 

We all know that Zionists have robbed Palestinian people of their homes, farms, land etc and force Palestinian people to leave Palestine for Zionist concentration camps surrounded by high concrete walls. We know that Zionists have attacked and destroyed civilian targets including Masjids, schools, hospitals etc . We know that Zionists have violated the human rights of Palestinian people. And we also know that Zionists have terrorized, raped, tortured, murdered or massacred innocent and defenseless Palestinian people. Zionists have also desecrate the Holy Quran and Masjids. Most of Palestinian people are Muslims.

 

Therefore Zionists are the enemy of Islam and Muslims and we Muslims are allowed by Islam to wage war against israel and Zionists.

 

"Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged - truly God has the power to come to their support - those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, 'Our Lord is God'… "(Surat al-Hajj: 39-40)

 

In brief, Muslims were allowed to wage war only because they were oppressed and subjected to violence. To put it in another way, God granted permission for war only for defensive purposes. In other verses, Muslims are warned against use of unnecessary provocation or unnecessary violence:

 

Fight in the Way of God against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. God does not love those who go beyond the limits. (Surat al-Baqara: 190)

 

Allah says in the Qur'an:

 

"And seek not occasions for mischief in the land: for Allah loves not those who do mischief" (28:77)

 

Hence Allah did not only enact deterrent punishment against terrorism, aggression and corruption, but considers these acts tantamount to waging war against Allah and His Messenger. Allah says in the Qur'an:

 

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: That is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the hereafter" (5:33)

 

In the Koran, God commands believers to treat even the non-Muslims kindly and justly:

 

...God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion... (Surat al-Mumtahana: 8-9 )

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Salaams peeps,

In fact it is a legal state because it was captured from the Muslims. I do not agree with this concept that it was stolen.

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I do agree with you on the concept that we have to assess both sides to reach a fair solution and us Muslims shouldn't go along with our emotions 24/7. There should times of accepting our wrongs, only that way can we solve our problems. but you Josh forgot the most fundamental point in the issues you mentioned brother, when the group of Palestinians who reached an agreement with the kuffar for their own goals which turned back on them greatly, it's only that group you can blame, but why blame the whole Palestinian population of that time and the present Palestinians why are they to blame. Look at it this way, in the present day the Saudi government makes all kinds of agreements with the kuffars, these agreements allow those countries for example UK and USA to exploit the Saudi oil. say tomorrow if the Saudi people ran out of oil and found them self in middle an open desert ,a devastating life threatening situation, would you turn around and have that as the reason to blame them for their situation, knowing the fact that the population is oppressed, can't express it's natural objection to the points when they don't even have clear idea of what's going on , yes can properly say then why didn't they open a revolution on the minority that oppressed them for example their king and so on, but we don't know the hidden story maybe now as we speak there are people being tortured just because they tried to gain their right of freedom of speech. Do remember the CIA and the FBI work for the Saudi government. Now try and apply the same situation on the Palestinian people of the past at the time those agreements were made, yes it wasn't the CIA or the FBI that had anything to do with it at that time but a very similar party did.

 

CAN YOU JUGDE NOW, of cause we always have to bear in mind of what happen but it does not justify anything, it's still stolen.

Peace

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Salaams peeps,

 

If some robbers have robbed you of your home and your land, do you think it is ok for the robbers to give some bandits your home and land for them to live in. This is not what Islam have taught us Muslims.

 

Firstly, I have not said in any of my posts that what has happened in israel is okay, nor do I support the Zionists. I object to the term robbers and to say the land was stolen. Perhaps I'm being pedantic but we would never call a Muslim conquering army as bandits or robbers. Why do you then term the British and Zionists as robbers?

 

So you believe that your home and land rightfully belonged to the robbers and bandits and you have no right to claim your home and land.

 

This is not what Islam have taught us Muslims.

 

I believe that the Earth rightfully belongs to Islam and the Muslims and they have every right to the land. But have you not heard Rasoolullah saw say that the Earth belongs to Allah swt and He will give power to whoever He wishes? Allah swt granted victory and power to the British. When a Muslim army conquers a land, whose land is it rightfully? You would say the Muslims, of course.

 

Let say a bunch of robbers have robbed you of your house and land, would you recognize the robbers as the rightful owner of your house and land? If you recognize the robbers, you are encouraging them to plunder other houses of your neighbours. This is not what Islam have taught us Muslims.

 

If a bunch of robbers invade your house and kick you out then you will be left on the street. Who does that house now belong to? It doesn't belong to you anymore, doesn't matter how loud you cry and shout. I find it quite strange you compare a house to a state. A state must be run by an administration and when you invade a country you are fighting for that adminstration. I'll ask you again, would you describe the army of Umar ibn Khattab who initially conquered Jerusalem as robbers? After he conquered it (or robbed it, in your words) who was the rightful owner?

 

 

If a bunch of kidnappers capture your wife and children from you, you would recognize the kidnappers as the rightful owners of your wife and children. This is not what Islam have taught us Muslims.

 

Why do you compare my wife and children to ownership of a state? Do you recognise the country Spain? Do you acknowledge that there is a country in western/southern Europe called Spain which is a democracy run predominantly by Christians? If you do, then you are displaying double standards.

 

If you are a Muslim, you should not recognize israel.

 

SubhanAllah, this must mean I am a kaafir.

 

Allah will not help you if you have already given up. Allah will not help you if you don't want to help yourself. Allah will help those people who help themselves.

 

I agree. When did I say I have given up, or anyone should give up? I will discuss the possible solutions to the problem after you have understood what I am saying and when you clarify the difference between a Muslim army conquering a country and a kuffar army doing the same thing. And if you label both as robbers.

 

MY CONCLUSION:

 

You josh0335 have clearly contradicted the teachings of Islam. Here are some of the teachings of Islam for you to learn:

 

And you have clearly not understood anything I have said. At no point have you bought evidence from the Qur'an or sunnah or from the ulema to show that I have contradicted the teachings of Islam.

 

Therefore Zionists are the enemy of Islam and Muslims and we Muslims are allowed by Islam to wage war against israel and Zionists.

 

Agreed.

 

I agree with everything you have presented after this and I have not contradicted any of it. But you have not grasped what I have said. The Zionists own israel/Palestine whether you like it or not. They obtained it via military action. Who owns Spain and the Philippines?

 

Peace

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Salaams peeps,

 

I do agree with you on the concept that we have to assess both sides to reach a fair solution and us Muslims shouldn't go along with our emotions 24/7. There should times of accepting our wrongs, only that way can we solve our problems. but you Josh forgot the most fundamental point in the issues you mentioned brother, when the group of Palestinians who reached an agreement with the kuffar for their own goals which turned back on them greatly, it's only that group you can blame, but why blame the whole Palestinian population of that time and the present Palestinians why are they to blame....

 

CAN YOU JUGDE NOW, of cause we always have to bear in mind of what happen but it does not justify anything, it's still stolen.

 

Sister, I did not blame the entire Palestinian population... I'm placing a fair portion of blame on the entire Ummah. The specifics you have exposed are absolutely valid but it wasn't my intention to go into detail. I wanted to highlight the Islamic perspective of assessing a calamity. No calamity falls upon you except it is earned. Now we are still suffering which means we are either still astray, or Allah swt is testing us and washing away some of our sins. Perhaps both.

 

And I will ask you as I have asked brother ######, do you think Palestine was stolen by Umar ra from the Christians?

 

Peace

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Hi all :sl:

 

I dont think you Yasnov can really argue about todays laws can you? So you want all countries to follow "modern" law rather than the laws from a 1000 year old book?

...Err but the UN principles and goals are in line with that 1000 year old book.

 

I do not accept UN/kuffar standards,laws, conventions or agreements in general

Why not? I don't think the concept or idea of UN and its laws are in conflict with Islam.

 

Therefore I cannot say that israel is an illegal state, because it is only illegal according to UN law (which as Muslims we do not recognise).

Well, do you think the Prophet would disagree with UN laws should he still lives now? Basically, when Muslim countries join the UN, they are following the example of Rasullulah SAW where he was making peace treaties and working together in keeping peace and settling conflicts. So, when those Muslim countries joined, they are required by the UN rules that they have signed that they have to participate in keeping peace in the world, upholding justice and etc. That's their obligations. What do you think?

 

Perhaps I'm being pedantic but we would never call a Muslim conquering army as bandits or robbers.

Because they are not. The motivation are different. Look at the Andalusians, and compare it to the Palestinians today. Perhaps if the conditions of Palestinians are the same as the conditions of Jews when the Jews were under the rule of Muslim caliphate, Muslims wouldn't complain too much.

 

Why do you then term the British and Zionists as robbers?

Well, it's the motivation that makes them different ... robbers would always act like robbers. While Muslims may come as conquerors first, but later on they are known as liberators even by those who were conquered (this is even admitted by the locals and their non-Muslim historians). Can we say the same thing bout British and Zionists? What benefits have they given to Palestinians during their occupation?

 

SubhanAllah, this must mean I am a kaafir.

Well, he meant, you are not supposed to recognize israel.

 

Wassalam,

Y

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Firstly, I have not said in any of my posts that what has happened in israel is okay, nor do I support the Zionists. I object to the term robbers and to say the land was stolen.

 

You say that you recognize israel meaning that you recognize Zionist cause. The Zionists have clearly robbed Palestinian people of their land so Zionists are the brutal and barbaric robbers. Let me help you to define the word 'robber':

 

A robber is a person who takes property from (a person) illegally by using or threatening to use violence or force; commit robbery upon.

 

Perhaps I'm being pedantic but we would never call a Muslim conquering army as bandits or robbers.

 

Muslim armies fought when non-Muslim armies such as the Byzantine and Crusader forces attacked Muslim countries. And Muslims managed to defeat them and conquer the non-Muslim countries to stop the aggression.

 

Why do you then term the British and Zionists as robbers?

 

British and Zionists are robbers for robbing Palestinian people of their land and their rights.

 

When a Muslim army conquers a land, whose land is it rightfully? You would say the Muslims, of course.

 

When a Muslim army conquers a land as a retaliation of the non-Muslim aggression, the people of the land revert to Islam when they see the beauty of Islam so the land becomes Muslim land.

 

If a bunch of robbers invade your house and kick you out then you will be left on the street. Who does that house now belong to? It doesn't belong to you anymore, doesn't matter how loud you cry and shout.

 

You are supporting the robbers now so you are a part of them. You don't care about law and order. And you can abolish police force and court of law.

 

I find it quite strange you compare a house to a state.

 

A house and a family is a basic unit of a state.

 

A state must be run by an administration and when you invade a country you are fighting for that adminstration.

 

A house and a family must be run by a management and when you invade a house you are fighting for that management.

 

I'll ask you again, would you describe the army of Umar ibn Khattab who initially conquered Jerusalem as robbers? After he conquered it (or robbed it, in your words) who was the rightful owner?

 

You are so rude when you equate Mujahideens and Umar Al Khattab to robbers.

 

Why don't you study history before making any allegations?

 

The battle of Mu’tah took place in the 8th year of hijrah. Mu’tah is a village in present day Jordon. The whole area was under the rule of the Byzantine emperor but people were Arabs – Ghassanids (Arabic: الغساسنة‎). In ethnicity, language and culture they were Arabs but in religion they were Christians and lived in a Roman vassal State.

 

The prophet Muhammad (peace and bless be upon him) had sent 15 Muslim missionaries to this area inviting people in Islam. They were all killed mercilessly by Ghassanid Arabs. The prophet Muhammad (peace and bless be upon him) also sent a letter to Ghassanid Arabs – their ruler had the Muslim ambassador imprisoned and then executed.

 

Due to these and other incidences The prophet Muhammad (peace and bless be upon him) decided to dispatch a Muslim army of about 3,000 Muslim soldiers to Syria to punish the criminals in 629 (5 Jumada al-awwal 8 AH in the Islamic calendar).The Muslim army was led by Zayd ibn Haritha; the second-in-command was Jafar ibn Abi Talib and the third was Abdullah ibn Rawahah.

 

The leader of the Ghassanids is said to have gained word of the expedition and prepared his forces; he also sent to the Byzantines for aid. Muslim historians report that the Byzantine emperor Heraclius himself gathered an army and hurried to the aid of his Arab allies. Other sources say that the leader was the emperor's brother, Theodorus. The combined force of Roman soldiers and Arab allies is usually reported to be 200,000.

 

The Battle of Mu'tah (Arabic: معركة مؤتة , غزوة مؤتة) was fought in 629 (5 Jumada al-awwal 8 AH in the Islamic calendar), near the village of Mu'tah, east of the Jordan River and Karak, between a force of Muslims dispatched by the Islamic prophet Muhammad and an army of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine). The battle ended in a draw and safe retreat of both sides.

 

Now we see that the Byzantine government had become the enemy of Islam by condoning the crimes of the Ghassanids and waging war against Muslims so Omar had his right to send Muslim armies to fight the Byzantine forces in Syria, Palestine, Egypt, North Africa etc. By defeating Byzantine forces, Muslim country and Muslims were saved.

 

When Muslims have defeated Byzantine in Palestine, the people of Palestine who were Jews, Christians and pagans greet the arrival of Muslim armies with pleasure and kindly courtesy because Muslims have liberated them from the Byzantine government that had oppressed and persecuted them since the day the Byzantine conquered Palestine. When the Jews, Christians and pagans had witnessed the beauty of Islam and the kindness of Muslims, most of them reverted to Islam so Palestine become a Muslim country so the land belongs to Muslims.

 

Why do you compare my wife and children to ownership of a state?

 

A family is a basic unit in a state. I want to put you in the Palestinian shoes.

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Continued.....

 

 

Do you recognise the country Spain? Do you acknowledge that there is a country in western/southern Europe called Spain which is a democracy run predominantly by Christians? If you do, then you are displaying double standards.

 

Why don't you read history books before you make allegation that insult your own mind? Have you forgotten how the Christians of Spain forced Muslims and Jews to convert to Christianity after the fall of Muslim Spain. The Christians also terrorized and massacred Muslims and Jews when they refused to convert to Christianity. The rest of Muslims and Jews were forced to leave Spain for Muslim countries. And all of Muslim Masjids were seized by Christians and converted to churches. So who are playing double standard here?

 

SubhanAllah, this must mean I am a kaafir.

 

I am not saying that you are a kaafir. The fact that you have recognized israel and you claim that Palestine belongs to Zionist thus you support the Zionist genocide of Muslims and you ignore the sufferings of Muslims in Palestine.

 

In other word, you defy Allah:

 

"Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged - truly God has the power to come to their support - those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, 'Our Lord is God'… "(Surat al-Hajj: 39-40)

 

I hope you would read the following verses of the Holy Quran so you would know who you are:

 

1) O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. The Holy Quran 5:51

 

2) ...God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion... (Surat al-Mumtahana: 8-9 )

 

At no point have you bought evidence from the Qur'an or sunnah or from the ulema to show that I have contradicted the teachings of Islam.

 

I have shown you the verses of the Holy Quran in the past post.

 

Put you yourself in Palestinian shoes and you'll understand. Imagine Zionist soldiers shoot your youngest son in the head and he die instantly then Zionists arrest you and put you in israeli jail without trial. Then you know that your home is demolished by Zionists and nobody know what happen to your family. And Zionists are torturing you day and night. Do you enjoy this story?

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I really hate the Zionists and the Zionist slaves because they have Palestinian blood on their dirty hands. Zionists and Zionist supporters are a bunch of the most disgusting low-life animals and Zionist hypocrisy has nauseated me.

 

These innocent and defenseless Palestinian children and babies are murdered by the israeli regime of terror and its Zionist terrorists in cold blood without any provocation.

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And now see what the so-called 'innocent Zionist children' are doing:

 

The so-called 'innocent Zionist children' write on the israeli bombs (made in USA):

 

Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians - Kids,

 

Die with love.

 

Yours,

israeli Kids

 

 

Photo of the day - israeli kids sends gifts of love to Arab kids:

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